Look, I've been following this thing for some time, and I've wondered, how can we prove this is bigger than a COMET.

Well, until it has been and gone we won't know.

Now we know that it was discovered in 2010, but from then we have worked out it's supposedc path.

Now logic would have it that, it would appear in old sky data, if it existed, and since it's a brown dwarf apparently, then it would make sense to use and look at old IRAS IR data, from as far back as the 50's

Now, I've done some looking into it and my limited knowledge on how to use the Iras Databank archive, I had to use a process of elemination as you cannot select specific date images, you have to find the dates on the images and then look for the co-ordinates of said object using the JPL orbit information.

At first I dismissed the images that I got co-ordinated to match with dates simply because I was looking for a single object, that would be centred to the frame at the given Co-ordinates.

But when Looking at the images again, if you consider that the brown dwarf, has ELENIN orbiting it,.

The first one you can test yourself easily and I think someone else has done a video on this but for those who like to do things themselves.

THE IRAS data from GOOGLE SKY in the area we would be looking is from 14th JULY 2007, now if you go to the jpl orbit for elenin and input that date, grab the co-ordinates that it states for that time and place, and put them into google sky. I did it manually with click and drag click and drag until my cursor showed the area of sky and then I turn on IRAS.

USE google sky and find these coordinates and turn on infrared.

09h 51m 22.4s 12d 23m 0.8s 14th July 2007 co-ordinates from JPL confimed with Winstars 2.


okay, solid, but not conclusive, maybe a glitch, but one would assume a comet of elenins size would not be emitting that much IR light and in fact if you check out most of google sky, it's almost the only anomoly of it's kind in the IR data.

**HYPOTHETICALLY, could the fact that this thing IS, so dense that we are seeing gravitational lensing effect, likes of which we have never seen before because we have never had a mass of that size in our solar system to "know" what to expect with respect to popular science? We could argue then that Jupiter would appear the same, but I don't think thats the case, because jupiter has a physical size that is mcuh larger than I think this Dwarf is, I think this dwarf will only physically be the size of say Earth maybe a bit bigger, but in MASS it's 3x denser that jupiter, which would result it gravitational lensing like we've never been able to appreciate. This mass though because of it's physicall size, has less impact on surrounding objects bvecause the "fall away" rate of gravitation pull is much less that that of JUPITER...
** MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL

Anyway, it got my attention and I thought okay, there must be older IRAS data, now like I said it was hard to get a DATE, but by process of elimination (try for yourself you'll understand) but I finally got a date match for 1986, and useing the co-ordinates for that day out of JPL, I found this image.

[link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu]

Ideas, I'll replicate if req'd but it's a pain in the arse, they have the archives cataloged in such a way, that you can search co-ordinates, but unless you know the date of the images, your guessing on location, so you have to run your search once with the co-ordinates in a set year, wait for the results, look at the dates on the images, and then, find an image, match the co-ordinates from JPL and run the search again. This works 50/50 of the time, but some times you end up with a different list of dated images which your co-ordinate will not correspond to.

OKAY.
DEBUNK Away.