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Astronomer Tracking Instructions For The ELEnin Comet/Dwarf Star

 
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How about this. For those of us who have a telescope in the closet, put it in terms of where it is in relation to the big dipper and little dipper. North south east west up down. OK?
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yeah what he said:)
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Hi guys:

An updated picture has been added to help people locate the ELEnin object.

Updated picture: [link to i29.photobucket.com]

Our references markers are 48 Leo below and 49 Leo above with the ELEnin object moving from left to right until about May 28, 2011 approaching 44 Leo on the right. The ELEnin object then begins backtracking over the same path, until reaching perigee on 9/11/2011 (not shown). The ELE object will pass directly between 48 Leo and 49 Leo on May 5, 2011 for this object to move within the Leo 48/49/44 triangle from May 5, 2011 to 6/19/2011, which in my opinion represents a very good time to capture one of the orbiting satellites orbiting outside the dwarf star proton cloud. The ELE object will appear to hover near motionless on approaching 44 Leo between 5/24/2011 and about 6/08/2011 just to the left of 44 Leo, before passing directly between 48 Leo and 49 Leo from the right on 6/19/2011.
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?

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Still pushing this horseshit, Terral? Beginning to think you're just trolling for attention.
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AC. Just ignore all of my posts. Nothing is addressed to you. This topic will be on page 25 in no time. However, now people have a way to place location pins in their google sky program.
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No self-respecting amateur astronomer should be using google sky to locate comets with their telescope. There are much better programs out there for free. Get cartes du ciel and download the latest comet data from the minor planet center, the function is built into the program:
[link to www.ap-i.net]
Just in case you have trouble with the update function, here are Elenin's orbital elements, formatted for TheSky/Cartes programs:
C/2010 X1 (Elenin) |2000|20110910.7134 | 0.482391 |1.000078 |343.7952 |323.2385 | 1.8397 |10.0 |10.0 | MPEC 2011-G90
You just need to copy that and paste it into your comet data file, fixing the spacing as needed to line up with the other comets' data.

This program will allow you to directly command your telescope to goto the comet (provided it has goto capability, of course).
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Cartes du ciel rocks Ive been using that program for 9 years now with my Telescopes. Google earth is brought to you by the very people that you supposedly dont trust by being here. Wake up.
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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I suspect Terral is your alternate username and this exchange is to give "Astronut" much needed credibility.

Your Astronut username a well known shill.
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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I suspect Terral is your alternate username and this exchange is to give "Astronut" much needed credibility.

Your Astronut username a well known shill.
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Amusing, but no. I'm not Terral and I'm not a shill. Would a shill show live uncensored views of deep space?
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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I suspect Terral is your alternate username and this exchange is to give "Astronut" much needed credibility.

Your Astronut username a well known shill.
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Amusing, but no. I'm not Terral and I'm not a shill. Would a shill show live uncensored views of deep space?
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Did men walk on the moon?
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Could I spot comet elenin with my c-8 ?
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Why in the hell did your parents name you Terral?
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maximcflo5 SIGNS OF THE TIMES

"But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10b]

To understand this video properly you need to know that an astronomical unit (abbreviated as AU), is a unit of length equal to about 93.000.000 miles or 150,000,000 kilometres. Which is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun. In fact it's a very small unit of measurement in the scale of things, kind of like a penny to a hundred dollar bill, and people walking around with billion and trillion dollar bills in their pockets.
And just for the record I'd like to make it clear that I'm making a prediction, not a prophecy. In the same way that a businessperson predicts the future price of commodities or a fisherman the weather, using the skill and knowledge that they have accumulated over the years: So am I doing.



A big problem in trying to make sense out of all of this has been the quite deliberate campaign of misinformation that has been going on since at least the 1990s. Is it Planet X, Nibru, C/2010X, Elenin or whatever? Is it a comet, meteor, gas cloud, brown dwarf star, planet or whatever? What’s it's size, speed, mass and an unending stream of other questions. Anyway I'm going to refer to it as Comet Elenin (dwarf star) and if I'm wrong then bollocks I don't bloody well care any more. The whole thing is getting to be like the dumb medieval argument about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.

The important point is that Elenin is bad bad news if your planning on carrying on your life as normal. And I can make a convincing and simple argument to those of you who like me where not exactly the brightest stars in the firmament when it came to astronomy and mathematics classes when we where at school.

1...Feb 27th 2010 CHILE 8.8 Earthquake. Elenin 6.04 AU distance in Elenin – Sun – Earth alignment.
2...Sept 4th 2010 Christchurch NEW ZEALAND 7.2 Earthquake. Elenin 6.25 AU distance in Elenin – Sun – Mercury – Earth alignment.
3...March 11th 2011 JAPAN 9.0 Earthquake and Tasumi. Elenin 2.1 AU distance in Elenin – Earth – Sun alignment.

And as you can see by reference to the video Elenin was in a position to cause big trouble on all of these dates.

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again

But the best (or worst) depending on your point of view is yet to come. We have already seen what can happen when Elenin is at 6.04, 6.25 and 2.1 AU from Earth. In September, October and November of this year it is going to be at .41 and less from the Earth. That's much closer than it was during the JAPAN earthquake, and during this time we have...

1...Sept 29th Rosh Hoshanah – Feast of Trumpets.
2...Oct 7th to 8th Yom Kippur – Day of Atonement
3...Oct 12th to 13th to Oct 19th Sukkot – Tabernacles

Please note: (a) The Moon has been left out of these calculations. (b) There may have been the use of HAARP, scaler weaponry, mini nukes and other evil devices “to help things along.”
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Hey Astronut...Where are your pictures of Elenin? since you so clearly know where it is.

I caught your show of Saturn the other night on ustream. I gotta say I was extremely unimpressed. I expected at least a decent image from someone who spouts off the way you do...
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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I suspect Terral is your alternate username and this exchange is to give "Astronut" much needed credibility.

Your Astronut username a well known shill.
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Amusing, but no. I'm not Terral and I'm not a shill. Would a shill show live uncensored views of deep space?
 Quoting: Astronut

Did men walk on the moon?
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Yes, what does that have to do with this thread?
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Hey Astronut...Where are your pictures of Elenin? since you so clearly know where it is.

I caught your show of Saturn the other night on ustream. I gotta say I was extremely unimpressed. I expected at least a decent image from someone who spouts off the way you do...
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You watched my last show did you? Then you're fully aware I was testing a new remote broadcast setup and was streaming over a cell network which reduced the quality. The seeing was quite poor that night, but that was not the reason why I was broadcasting. As a matter of fact it was a technical test to prepare for broadcasting Elenin. Perhaps your expectations for a technical run through were unrealistic. Let's see you get an image of Saturn better than this:
[link to farm6.static.flickr.com]
That's a stacked image in poor seeing, but like I said, seeing conditions were not a consideration that night. Of course when I was broadcasting over the cell network the quality was dramatically degraded:
[link to www.ustream.tv]
But when I went back to the regular land line network it improved:
[link to www.ustream.tv]
If you want to spout off to me, let's see you do better than that.
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Could I spot comet elenin with my c-8 ?
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Not with your eye, you would need a deep space camera and long exposure.
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But when I went back to the regular land line network it improved:
[link to www.ustream.tv]
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nice! haha the "spam" ad on your "Observing the planets" video that popped up, was "What is Astral Projection?"

lol - if we all had that ability, we could meet up at Elenin for a discussion!
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But when I went back to the regular land line network it improved:
[link to www.ustream.tv]
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nice! haha the "spam" ad on your "Observing the planets" video that popped up, was "What is Astral Projection?"

lol - if we all had that ability, we could meet up at Elenin for a discussion!
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Thanks! I sometimes find the attempt at "contextual" ads to be amusing. It frequently seems to pop up asking if I want to know more about the Saturn SKY lol.
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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The JPL Small-Body Database Browser on 04-25-11 illustrates the Sun/Elenin perigee occurring on 09-11-11 at 0.482AU. The Earth/Elenin perigee occurring on 10-17-11 at 0.232AU.
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Again, why are you lying? I already told you it reaches perigee on October 16th, not September 11th, why do you persist in lying?
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The JPL Small-Body Database Browser on 04-25-11 illustrates the Sun/Elenin perigee occurring on 09-11-11 at 0.482AU. The Earth/Elenin perigee occurring on 10-17-11 at 0.232AU.
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Illustrates? You mean the java applet that specifically states it's not accurate enough to be used for ephemeris generation because it uses a simple 2 body solution? If you use the orbital data properly you'll find perihelion is on September 10th. Please lookup what perigee means and what perihelion means. Sun/elenin perigee is nonsensical. The generalized form of the term which can apply to any astronomical body is periapsis if you want to use that instead.

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Illustrates? You mean the java applet that specifically states it's not accurate enough to be used for ephemeris generation because it uses a simple 2 body solution?
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What I find funny is how these hypocrites claim that the government and NASA are hiding their imaginary "Nibiru" from you, but then they try to use JPL and SOHO and SDO, etc. to make their claims that the fairy tale planet exists.
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The JPL Small-Body Database Browser on 04-25-11 illustrates the Sun/Elenin perigee occurring on 09-11-11 at 0.482AU. The Earth/Elenin perigee occurring on 10-17-11 at 0.232AU.
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Illustrates? You mean the java applet that specifically states it's not accurate enough to be used for ephemeris generation because it uses a simple 2 body solution? If you use the orbital data properly you'll find perihelion is on September 10th. Please lookup what perigee means and what perihelion means. Sun/elenin perigee is nonsensical. The generalized form of the term which can apply to any astronomical body is periapsis if you want to use that instead.
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Perigee forwards to Apsis. So I can agree to the terminology you stated. All words come from the Greeks, right? lol

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The point of closest approach (the point at which two bodies are the closest) is called the periapsis."

For the common man with no income, he relies on the government to bail him out. Here we seek knowledge from NASA about the orbital path of a comet, nothing more. If they choose to only use the java applet for us, then that is all we have. Illustrates meaning, shows us graphically with an image maker. So I ran the applet, and it spit out what I said. Are you saying NASA is nonsensical and garbage in / garbage out?

What I find funny is how these hypocrites claim that the government and NASA are hiding their imaginary "Nibiru" from you, but then they try to use JPL and SOHO and SDO, etc. to make their claims that the fairy tale planet exists.
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If that was directed at me, you are wrong sir. I did not mention Nibiru.
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:maximc::flo5: SIGNS OF THE TIMES

"But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10b]

To understand this video properly you need to know that an astronomical unit (abbreviated as AU), is a unit of length equal to about 93.000.000 miles or 150,000,000 kilometres. Which is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun. In fact it's a very small unit of measurement in the scale of things, kind of like a penny to a hundred dollar bill, and people walking around with billion and trillion dollar bills in their pockets.
And just for the record I'd like to make it clear that I'm making a prediction, not a prophecy. In the same way that a businessperson predicts the future price of commodities or a fisherman the weather, using the skill and knowledge that they have accumulated over the years: So am I doing.



A big problem in trying to make sense out of all of this has been the quite deliberate campaign of misinformation that has been going on since at least the 1990s. Is it Planet X, Nibru, C/2010X, Elenin or whatever? Is it a comet, meteor, gas cloud, brown dwarf star, planet or whatever? What’s it's size, speed, mass and an unending stream of other questions. Anyway I'm going to refer to it as Comet Elenin (dwarf star) and if I'm wrong then bollocks I don't bloody well care any more. The whole thing is getting to be like the dumb medieval argument about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.

The important point is that Elenin is bad bad news if your planning on carrying on your life as normal. And I can make a convincing and simple argument to those of you who like me where not exactly the brightest stars in the firmament when it came to astronomy and mathematics classes when we where at school.

1...Feb 27th 2010 CHILE 8.8 Earthquake. Elenin 6.04 AU distance in Elenin – Sun – Earth alignment.
2...Sept 4th 2010 Christchurch NEW ZEALAND 7.2 Earthquake. Elenin 6.25 AU distance in Elenin – Sun – Mercury – Earth alignment.
3...March 11th 2011 JAPAN 9.0 Earthquake and Tasumi. Elenin 2.1 AU distance in Elenin – Earth – Sun alignment.

And as you can see by reference to the video Elenin was in a position to cause big trouble on all of these dates.

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again

But the best (or worst) depending on your point of view is yet to come. We have already seen what can happen when Elenin is at 6.04, 6.25 and 2.1 AU from Earth. In September, October and November of this year it is going to be at .41 and less from the Earth. That's much closer than it was during the JAPAN earthquake, and during this time we have...

1...Sept 29th Rosh Hoshanah – Feast of Trumpets.
2...Oct 7th to 8th Yom Kippur – Day of Atonement
3...Oct 12th to 13th to Oct 19th Sukkot – Tabernacles

Please note: (a) The Moon has been left out of these calculations. (b) There may have been the use of HAARP, scaler weaponry, mini nukes and other evil devices “to help things along.”
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For the common man with no income, he relies on the government to bail him out. Here we seek knowledge from NASA about the orbital path of a comet, nothing more. If they choose to only use the java applet for us, then that is all we have.
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Dude, they gave you the orbital elements, if you're looking at the small body browser then they're right there in front of you. You can use any number of programs (including free software) that will take into account the gravitational forces of the planets to give you the true perihelion date, which is September 10th, not the 11th. It even states so right there in the elements on the small body browser site.
tp = 2455815.219646046488
(2011-Sep-10.71964605)
Illustrates meaning, shows us graphically with an image maker. So I ran the applet, and it spit out what I said. Are you saying NASA is nonsensical and garbage in / garbage out?
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I didn't say NASA was nonsensical, I said NASA warned you that that applet is a simple two body simulation and should not be used where such accuracy is required. It's not intended to be used in the way you're attempting to use it, that's not NASA's fault.

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I said NASA warned you that that applet is a simple two body simulation and should not be used where such accuracy is required. It's not intended to be used in the way you're attempting to use it, that's not NASA's fault.
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Fair enough - just trying to understand all of this.

Ponder me this:

The orbit of every single other object in the entire solar system can be explained, at least in principle, by some interaction with the known planets. Sedna alone requires something else out there.

Of all of the planets, comets, asteroids, and Kuiper belt objects in the solar system, Sedna is the only one that tells us this astounding fact so glaringly.

What is the answer?
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Why the attacks to Astronut?

The guy KNOWS a LOT about space, some people appears to really really want to believe the shit is posted in the net.
I thinks his cooperation is invaluable to the site.
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Why the attacks to Astronut?

The guy KNOWS a LOT about space, some people appears to really really want to believe the shit is posted in the net.
I thinks his cooperation is invaluable to the site.
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stockholm syndrome.
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For the common man with no income, he relies on the government to bail him out. Here we seek knowledge from NASA about the orbital path of a comet, nothing more. If they choose to only use the java applet for us, then that is all we have.
 Quoting: Aquarius58


The common man with no income will read the explanations and then follow the link to go directly to the JPL horizons website, enter a date close to the time of interest (September for example) and then let their huge expensive computers crunch the numbers (free of charge!) and perturb the orbit into the future towards exactly this date and spit out the osculating orbit elements that are most precise around September.

Then this common man with no income will download and install the sky charting or space simulation software of his choice (there are many to chose from, most of them are free and open), then enter these osculating orbit elements into the software an let it calculate and plot the orbit segment for september right in front of his own eyes.

Since the common man with no income has plenty of free time (does not waste valuable time for generating income) he can read books and learn how things work.

The common man with no income will also try to use these books and websites to look up the complicated sounding words he does not understand or politely ask somebody who does to explain it to him in simpler terms and then at least try to understand and the man will not act like a stubborn little child: "I don't understand it, so nobody can understand it!"





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