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I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

 
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Thanks for blatantly skipping my post.

I'm gonna have to go with my gut and declare you a shill. You lack the passion and desperation of somebody who is on a mission to connect the dots and uncover the truth.
There are two people, Cooper and Schneider who had that passion and they are both dead under suspicious circumstances. Yet you just smear them with "UFO disease".
You also say the Grays are here to help us, then say the govt. allied itself with the wrong aliens, then also say Grays are teaching classes underground. Leading me to believe the Govt allied itself with the Grays (wrong aliens) who are giving classes underground. Do you not see that condradiction?
No wonder you say you're responses expire at midnight. Look, I'm a genuine abductee and believer,...I'm calling totall bullshit on you. I actually felt it within my gut within the first 10 minutes of "John Lear Tells All" yet I didn't want to believe it until now, I could tell Kerry felt it too.
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Sorry you feel that way. The government did not ally themselves with the grays and in fact have spent the last 55 years tring to elminate them. Its called "Earth's Secret War."

There are many contadictions in this business
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So if the govt is not allied with the grays, then why according to Bob Lazar and yourself are grays giving classes and working with the military in underground bases?
And what about all that alien technology? Who did that come from?
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Hi John, thanks for taking our questions this morning. Do you think Comet Elenin is Nibiru/Planet X or just an ordinary comet, also do you believe the orbital data put out by the JPL regarding Elenin?
 Quoting: TJ 1273159


I don't believe anything that JPL puts out. You can find more accurate information from the 'tards here on GLP than anything JPL puts out. :)

All the best.
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are you the fake john lear?
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Yes I am the fake one.

The real John Lear died on June 24, 1961 in an airplane crash (Bucker 131 HB-URG) at Le Rosey, Rolle, Switzerland.

He had massive injuries that were not survivable my the time they got him to the hospital in Geneva about 45 minutes away.

He was survived by his father and mother, 2 sisters and a brother.

I am his walk-in. I came from a planet long, long ago and far, far away to take up where he left off.
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It's Captain Scarlet!!
Don't run. You'll just die tired.
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Ever studied alchemy?
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bump
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So if the govt is not allied with the grays, then why according to Bob Lazar and yourself are grays giving classes and working with the military in underground bases?
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I don't know.


And what about all that alien technology? Who did that come from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1364413



From ET's who are more negative.
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chemtrails are destroying the human fabric in america....

noone is exempt....noone....

why is the military industrial complex on t6hisa suicide mission?

everyone is being affected by chems....

what is their rationale for it?

what can they hope to gain if they themselves will be dead eventually from the destruction to their immnune system?
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the MIC is not on a suicide mission.

they have taken elaborate steps to save themselves.
 Quoting: johnlear


how many of themselves can they possibly save....

when they are murdering their own families in the states....

I´m aware that they have air filtering systems....

but what about the agricultural crops?

I´ve been investigating chemtrails for over ten years....

the barium dries up the atmosphere bigtime (forest fires)...

and gives people high blood pressure leading to other more serious symptoms....

The military Industrial Complex is not a small number of people....

we are talking about a good percentage of the American people....

each person everyday is ingesting barium and other toxic elements on a very consistent basis....

these elements are overwhelming their bodies to the point where only a very few will survive (not in a healthy manner....i might add)....

which makes it difficult to understand the rationale for carpet bombing of chemtrails over America....
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Hi John, thanks for taking our questions this morning. Do you think Comet Elenin is Nibiru/Planet X or just an ordinary comet, also do you believe the orbital data put out by the JPL regarding Elenin?
 Quoting: TJ 1273159


I don't believe anything that JPL puts out. You can find more accurate information from the 'tards here on GLP than anything JPL puts out. :)

All the best.
 Quoting: johnlear


chuckle best answer on this thread.
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Hey John, I used to post at ATS when they were giving you crap and I just want to say thank you for all the information you give. My question is how far do you think the elites are willing to go to get their one world union and how long do you think it will last if they do???
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From ET's who are more negative.
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Are the negative ETs in contact with us more powerful than the positive ones?
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Dr. Judy Wood is being attacked on all fronts especially by Hoagland. Anybody who attacks Dr. Woods book is, in my opinion, a full fledged disinformation tool.

In your opinion, who was behind 9/11 (specifically, who used the electromagnetic weapons)?
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I don't know who but most likely the MIC was behind 911.

I don't who authorized the pulling of the trigger of the orbiting weapons platform (operated by U.S. Navy) that used molecular disassociation on WTC 1, 2 and Building 7.
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Speaking of the Navy...

I was an attorney--now suspended for "emotional instability"*--who saw a military document that indicated Delmart Vreeland was employed by the Office of Naval Intelligence just like he claimed. (recall that Vreeland warned of 9/11 while incarcerated in Canada in August of 2001, but the pentagon--OUR pentagon--said that he was lying and was never employed by the ONI. That was a lie.)

A Lt-colonel from the Defense Intelligence Agency then came to my law office and questioned me about my interest in Vreeland and cell towers (I had, as an attorney, been investigating the use of cell towers as possible mind control---or emotional control--devices, and noted that several in my town were leased to the Dept of Defense).

After that my law office was ransacked and I was being followed EVERYWHERE and feared for my life (not saying the fear was legitimate, just that I felt it) and I closed down my office and never went back.

All the drama stopped after I gave up and closed down my office and stopped practicing law. I have not been followed or harassed since.

Anyway, just wanted you and others to know the truth about Vreeland and our Navy (specifically the FACT that the Office of Naval Intelligence had foreknowledge of 9/11).


* I was suspended for emotional instability because I flipped out when I realized my own govt was harassing me, and had an emotional breakdown while relaying what I knew to the Texas State Bar's lead attorney.

He told me that what I was suggesting was "impossible...the U.S. military would NEVER act against U.S. citizens" and strongly suggested I take a break because I was so emotionally overwrought.

Professionally, I am a laughingstock. All I can do now is tell the truth and hope that that still matters.
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FROM OP:



If you want to read about the Apollo Hoax read:

Dark Moon Bennett/Percy
One Small Step Wisnewski
Moongate William L. Brian

If you want to read about Saturns rings:

The Ringmakers of Saturn Norman Bergrun

If you want to read about gravity and Keplers third law and why both Einstein and Newton were both wrong:

Gravitational Force of the Sun Pari Spolter

If you want the truth about a whole range of
subjects be prepared to be shocked an read:

You are Being Lied To Russ Kick

If you want the bottom line on the Kennedy Assassination no BS:

Final Judgment Michael Collins Piper

If you want the uncensored history of NASA:

Dark Mission Hoagland/Bara (Don't believe anything they write about the moon.)

If you want to read about who really is running things:

The Rise of the Fourth Reich Jim Marrs

If you want to read the best, knock down drag out, roll 'em in the aisles can't stop laughing, tell it like it was, totally hilariously honest story of 100 missions over North Viet Nam in an F-105:

When Thunder Rolled Ed Rasimus (it helps to be a pilot reading this one.)

If you want to read a semi-censored but nevertheless entertaining story of the covert lives and classified deaths at the CIA:

The Book of Honor Ted Gulp

Even I was impressed.

If you want to read about cover-ups, deception, fraud and scandals read these 2 books:

Defrauding America: Dirty Secrets of the CIA and other Goverenment Operations and The Real Unfriendly Skies both by Rodney Stich.

If you want to be thrilled by stories of what it is like to climb Mount Everest buy these 2 books:

Into Thin Air Jon Krakauer
Everest: Expedition to the Ultimate Reinhold Messner

If you want to read how the WTC towers and Building No. 7 were destroyed along with 500 pages of detailed 4 color drawing, maps, charts, diagrams, graphs, technical information and photos written by a Doctor of Mechanical Engineering and former professor Clemson U. read "Where Did the Towers Go?" Order it before it is banned. It took the genius of several individuals just to get it into the U.S. after it was printed overseas.

Know this: If Hoagland is bad-mouthing and misrepresenting the book its gotta be the truth.

I will post a few more later.
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Just really quick Mr Lear...

What is your opinion on spiritual(physical) healing, that is so prevalent in the West. Do you believe in being able to manipulate energy outside of the mind, and what place does it have in society?

Thank you
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greetings from SLO cali JL!!

thanks for your time.

hf
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Ever studied alchemy?
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Oh, and while you're at it, tell us what you know about red mercury?

You've gone too far in your studies to not know about either of these.

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Hey John, I used to post at ATS when they were giving you crap and I just want to say thank you for all the information you give. My question is how far do you think the elites are willing to go to get their one world union and how long do you think it will last if they do???
 Quoting: acegotflows 1307934


No 'one world union' for another 40 to 60 years. By that time things will be a lot different and it would make more sense than it does now.
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Why do you think the grays help people? They do not help the tortured children being killed in seward Nebraska for moloch worship they do not help any of the children being tortured by pedophiles anywhere on the entire planet. Why do you think the ET's submit to the evil elite pedophiles who control the worlds government? I think they are demons because they help the intergenerational incest pedophiles and no one else. How intelligent can they really be to service hitler, nazigov, zionazis, and pedophiles? Im from here and know better. Cooper Schneider and Rik Clay were all murdered for telling the truth. When rich men in NEBRASKA (jesuits) were accused of RSA CSA murder what the evil gov did is lock up a little girl who is still in prison. There is a boy about 5 years out of high school who told the truth about certain elites who murder children on film... he is still in jail and his name is BRADLEY MANNING. I absolutely know the "authorities" ignore missing children reports and have secret service/cia finders who work in gangs to rape 911 truthers... thats how I got pregnant and why I know about fred bruns... the govt protected that govt pedophile for many decades and the evil jew media is still protecting the incest cults in NEBRASKA for evil nazi gov.

They also murdered the cops wife to punish him about telling the truth about caladoris murder (franklin scandel where they locked up the little girl complaining about her murdered brother and child sexual abuse) when snuff porno was picked up off the cornfield and removed by evil offutt afb pedophiles to protect the govt moloch worshippers.

They still threaten me and my child. Again I ask, why do you think any intelligent being whatever color would continue for decades servicing the evil govt of pedophiles who sacrifice children? My integrity requires truth about the DOD pedophile employees and the vatican jesuit pedophiles and the call boys in washingtonDC... I dont think the millions who continue to ignore the vast numbers of "missing" children should be obeyed... they are all very evil souls of selfishness greed and lies because did you not notice yet... THEY ARE ALL PEDOPHILES!!!
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John, what would you say about this? This is my story for the past 5 years...

This is hard for me to explain....This is actually the first time I've ever told anyone (other than my wife, and one other very close friend) about this. For the past 3 years, I have been constantly looking over my shoulder...living in constant fear...and I DON'T want shit to hit the fan like it did before. Things have been quite for the past year, but nothing is like what it used to be.

The story began about 4-5 years ago, I met and became friends his guy (whom I'll call 'bob', that I met through a mutual friend). Bob and his wife were about 10 years older than I, but they were really cool people, and we always had a good time together. We used to meet up for dinner and drinks, golf outings, fishing trips, sports events...but I think we hit it off because of our mutual interests in paranormal activities, etc. We would talk at length about sitings and evidence. At one point, we had come across some highly damning evidence.

Bob was a 'black hat' turned professional 'white hat'...he was busted about 10 years ago for hacking some big time companies. He spend several years in jail...and when he got out, (little did he know) he was a hot commodity. He was immediately hired by a large IT-security company. During the time I knew Bob and his wife, he ALWAYS had some serious tech equipment. He always had the latest and greatest tech gear...even having stuff that wasn't on the market. And even though he probably made upwards of $200K a year, he would end up 'getting' a $75K-100K piece of equipment from out of no where. Seemed kind of odd...seemed kind of military...but nevertheless, cool....

At the same time, he taught me quite a bit about programming, security issues, 'gray hat work arounds...all kinds of goodies. As time went on, I learned even more. But at this one point, one of his old connections (from his black hat days), contacted him about 'a person of interest'.

Well, as it turns out that was me. This guy told bob that he better distance himself from me. The next day, Bob confronted me with this info, and inquired what I was doing with my newly acquired skills. I told him the truth, I had done nothing to anyone, nor any business. The only thing I was doing was trying to keep my PC safe.

Bob said it wasn't about 'that'...that it had to do about a event/evidence I had witnessed. (I wish I felt comfortable explaining the event, but I feel like this is what really fucked me. So I'm sorry, I am not go into that...then again, I guess since I'm posting this story here, you can figure out the basic outline.) The next day, we met of for dinner at this little place right outside of town. From the time I got there, I felt something wasn't right...there were too many 'clean cut' people in this restaurant, that usually had more of a working class feel to it....but I still couldn't put my finger on it.

Bob started to inquire more, but then stopped. Then he started writing what he wanted to say...telling me that I needed to destroy my hard drive, destroy any conversations we had, pretty much destroy everything that didn't pertain to my professional life as a real estate developer. This was really freaking me out. About 5 minutes into this, he said “we have to leave, NOW.” So we paid, and left to my truck.

As soon as I got out there, I could see finger prints all over the hood of my truck. Well, we get in...but the truck won't start. DAMN, we look under the hood, nothing looks wrong....then we see three state troopers just chilling (or so we thought) in the parking lot. Then several black lincons pulled up...He called his wife, told her to call a tow truck and to come pick us up...at this point I could really see the fear on Bobs face. He said it would be best if we waited inside...I assume, so there could be more witnesses.

Well, about 30 minutes later the tow truck shows up...about five minutes after that bobs wife shows up. She tells bob, “I got what you wanted.” I was like, 'huh?”....well good old Bob, had a jamming device. This scared me a bit more (if that was possible)...but he said we're going to drop you off at your house, and you must, You MUST, destroy it all, NOW. Well we get back to my house at about 3pm...and it's been broken into. Seriously, I was flipping the fuck out. The power to the house was cut off, so the alarm system didn't go off. I asked bob, if he thinks I should go in...he just said be careful.

I have a concealed weapons permit, so as I grab my gun, I go inside my house....it is totally trashed. Cabinets ripped off the walls, couch disassembled, computer gone, paperwork gone. Bob said, “don't call the cops, it's only going to make things worse.” I didn't know if that was the best advice, because that was the only group that I felt like could give me some peace of mine....so, I kept it to myself...and started putting my house back together.

Bob called me the next day, telling me that he'd give me a laptop of his, and hopefully the system he had setup on it would help protect me a little. So during lunch one day, I met up with him, he gave me the laptop. He also surprised me, he said he was moving...he and his wife were moving to South America?! I was about to lose it, he was the only person I had on my side....I felt like I couldn't tell anyone, anything. I was seriously loosing it.

Two weeks later, I hadn't heard from him, so I tried giving him a call to see if he needed help packing up his house....the number was disconnected. So I drove over to his house, empty. Trying to contain my fear, which was nearly impossible (I was literally shaking like a leaf)...I take off, to go back home. On my way home, shit was getting really thick. I am slightly familiar with trailing techniques....and I could swear I had a group of people following me.

At this point, I called off of work, and decided to head out of town. I have a place in the Appalachian mountains, that is about as isolated as you can get on the east coast. After a couple days of drinking my fears away, I get a weird email from “friend”. The message only said, watch your back. A day later, I get a message from Sara Law?? Telling me I'm being watched. That night, jets and choppers constantly flew over my house. Like I said, I was in the middle of no where...actually, I was in a quite zone, where anything that put off radio waves were illegal (*h). Scared absolutely shitless, the next day, I got the hell out of dodge, I called the office told them I was going to be away for the week. I proceeded to pack up my camping gear, and decided to go completely off the grid...I decided to hike 20-30miles off into nothingness.

After 3 days, I woke up one morning (3-4am), to find my tent illuminated. Like I was sitting in a field with a full moon shining directly over head. But, I was in the thickest forest, beside a rock face...I climb out of my tent, and almost instantaneously the light is gone. The things running through my mind were...well very disheartening. I started to think it was people in the woods, then I started to think it was from someone/thing over head....every little sound, scared the shit out of me....I was in hell.

It was at this point where I realised, if I was going to be hunted, they were going to have to 'take me' where there were other people around. I wasn't going to, just disappear in the woods, where no one would ever know what happened to me. So I immediately started packing up my stuff, and within 20 minutes I was hiking out of there. I got back to my truck and made the 11 hr drive back to my house.

When I got back, I passed out of exhaustion, when I woke up I felt like I needed to check my work email. As I log on, all of my emails are gone...every one I received, every one I sent out, every one I saved. Except I had one email, where the only message was 'they are going to hurt you'. It felt like my entire existence was over...I had no idea what to do, what to say, I had no idea on anything, except for the fear that I felt.

Going back to Bob....he had mentioned where he had got his start to his 'black hat' experience. As paranoid as I was, I ended grabbing a flight and heading out to Cali for weekend. I found his 'computer club' and tried explaining that I met Bob, and that he told me where I could find them. These dudes, totally though I was not legit. I continued searching, I ended up finding one of Bobs old friends (one of the same people that were involved with his bust). This guy was super skeptical too...and wanted nothing to do with me.

About three days later, I get a email saying go to 'friends' meeting point. I go to the shore, find the location, and I find a letter behind this rock telling me to go to a computer cafe, pay with cash, and check this email, on a server that I was not a 'member'.

This has to be the worst part. The email contained a bizarre file, that was a collection of every place I had gone, everyone I met, EVERYTHING I had done in the past 2 years. I wish I could go into details, but this stuff still strikes fear into my soul. It was at this point, I knew that this wasn't just some joke, or prank, or just someone trying to scare me.

Rattled to my core, I get a call from my parents. Someone tried to burn my house down. The next day, I finally get back to the east coast, and sure enough it had burnt....the fire inspector said it was a 'outlet fire', and that most likely that I had tried to burn down my house. At the same time, my house was brand new, there weren't any cords plugged into the socket, and thirdly, I had a power conditioner for the house (so I know it wasn't just some random spike in electricity). Because of the inspectors findings my insurance company said that they weren't going to cover my loss. Two days after that, I get a call from the CEO of where I worked, saying that they are closing their doors...and that I didn't have a job anymore.

So I pissed away everything I have, paying for the house, legal fees, etc. 2 years later, and am still jobless...Its so frustrating, I can't even get a job as a bag boy at a local grocery store, even though I have two degrees and a masters. As you might imagine, I have very little to my name...the only thing I do have is a wife, parents who love me, and only 1 friend...all the other ones refuse to have contact with me (for unknown reasons). I have 3 computers and dump loads of other equipment (since things have slowed down), all off them have gone the same way...fried hard drive, mother board, fried routers, fried firewalls.

It was at the end of this original fiasco, I got married to the woman of my dreams...even though I didn't think it was the best thing for her. I told her in part about this stuff, and I told her I didn't want to have to drag her into this thing...but we still went ahead with it, because of our love. Now, her fucking mom wants her to divorce me...for more unknown reasons. I still feel like this whole shit ass story could blow up at any time...but at least it feels good getting part of the story out there....

During this time, I've had some of the strangest experiences and happenings. Since it all started, I have also undergone serious back issues....even though I have never done anything to my back to hurt it. It is totally debilitating...and medicines don't work, nor can the figure out what is causing the pain. I have the lumps underneath my skin (between skin and muscle). Neodymium magnets stick to them like crazy. I even cut one out with a razor blade that was on my arm. It was covered in some kind of growth, but in the middle was a silver looking BB thing. I have woken up in the middle of (of my old) my back yard. I have dreams about once a month about be abducted. Missing time....I've seen doctors for all of them, they think I'm making it up.
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Hi John!

Question 1 - Who, in your opinion, really runs this planet?
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The ET's-quote.

which ones?
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so Does China take the place of America?
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Hey John, I used to post at ATS when they were giving you crap and I just want to say thank you for all the information you give. My question is how far do you think the elites are willing to go to get their one world union and how long do you think it will last if they do???
 Quoting: acegotflows 1307934


No 'one world union' for another 40 to 60 years. By that time things will be a lot different and it would make more sense than it does now.
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John, would you say it is possible that the concept of a "One World Government"
or a Union or whatever one wishes to call it is closely tied into the issue of "disclosure" that so many people are asking about?

Allow me to clarify, if you will..

You mentioned in an earlier post that there will be no "disclosure" as envisioned by so many people, for at least another 40 to 60 years. My understanding and based upon my experience is that the reason for this is that such disclosure would interfere with the inner workings of the sociopolitical and financial structure of this Earth as they exist presently.

However, the long-term plan calls for a gradual shift away from national sovereignty and a steady reeducation of the global populous toward a self-identity as planetary citizens rather than the existing self-identity as members of a specific race, culture or nationality. Once this process has been completed, then and only then will the real truth about aliens, UFOs and all other related subjects be revealed to the public en masse. I think this is why you keep mentioning that 40-60 year time frame, because you possess the same knowledge that I do on this subject.

However, all of that having been said, there is a steady acclimation program underway with regard to the alien presence. This too is obvious to anyone who is paying any attention. There still is official denial at the governmental levels but elsewhere within the broader cultural landscape all sorts of revelations continue on a slow but steady basis.

John, please correct me if anything I have said here is mistaken in your view. But the thing is, I greatly respect your clearly obvious knowledge base on these topics, always have since I first became aware of you some two decades or more ago and I sense that your views on this are close to my own and probably for similar reasons. Therefore, this is why I am asking this question of you now. Of course, if you'd rather not comment on it that is OK too and I will fully understand.

Bottom line, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your presence here on this forum. I know I said that yesterday as well but it bears repeating. I hope you will continue to participate because I believe your input has a measurable and positive impact here.
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Welcome to the forum Mr. Lear,
It's a great pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'm a big fan and supporter of your work.

My question is, are you familiar with the Dr. Jonathan Reed case? If found it very intriguing as he brings to the table a tremendous amount of physical evidence.

If you haven't heard of this case, I would encourage you to take a look...it's quite impressive. If you are familiar with Dr.Reed, what is your view?

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The Law of One material was mentioned above. Are you familiar with it? Any comments about it?

[link to www.lawofone.info]
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John, what would you say about this? This is my story for the past 5 years...

This is hard for me to explain....This is actually the first time I've ever told anyone (other than my wife, and one other very close friend) about this. For the past 3 years, I have been constantly looking over my shoulder...living in constant fear...and I DON'T want shit to hit the fan like it did before. Things have been quite for the past year, but nothing is like what it used to be.

The story began about 4-5 years ago, I met and became friends his guy (whom I'll call 'bob', that I met through a mutual friend). Bob and his wife were about 10 years older than I, but they were really cool people, and we always had a good time together. We used to meet up for dinner and drinks, golf outings, fishing trips, sports events...but I think we hit it off because of our mutual interests in paranormal activities, etc. We would talk at length about sitings and evidence. At one point, we had come across some highly damning evidence.

Bob was a 'black hat' turned professional 'white hat'...he was busted about 10 years ago for hacking some big time companies. He spend several years in jail...and when he got out, (little did he know) he was a hot commodity. He was immediately hired by a large IT-security company. During the time I knew Bob and his wife, he ALWAYS had some serious tech equipment. He always had the latest and greatest tech gear...even having stuff that wasn't on the market. And even though he probably made upwards of $200K a year, he would end up 'getting' a $75K-100K piece of equipment from out of no where. Seemed kind of odd...seemed kind of military...but nevertheless, cool....

At the same time, he taught me quite a bit about programming, security issues, 'gray hat work arounds...all kinds of goodies. As time went on, I learned even more. But at this one point, one of his old connections (from his black hat days), contacted him about 'a person of interest'.

Well, as it turns out that was me. This guy told bob that he better distance himself from me. The next day, Bob confronted me with this info, and inquired what I was doing with my newly acquired skills. I told him the truth, I had done nothing to anyone, nor any business. The only thing I was doing was trying to keep my PC safe.

Bob said it wasn't about 'that'...that it had to do about a event/evidence I had witnessed. (I wish I felt comfortable explaining the event, but I feel like this is what really fucked me. So I'm sorry, I am not go into that...then again, I guess since I'm posting this story here, you can figure out the basic outline.) The next day, we met of for dinner at this little place right outside of town. From the time I got there, I felt something wasn't right...there were too many 'clean cut' people in this restaurant, that usually had more of a working class feel to it....but I still couldn't put my finger on it.

Bob started to inquire more, but then stopped. Then he started writing what he wanted to say...telling me that I needed to destroy my hard drive, destroy any conversations we had, pretty much destroy everything that didn't pertain to my professional life as a real estate developer. This was really freaking me out. About 5 minutes into this, he said “we have to leave, NOW.” So we paid, and left to my truck.

As soon as I got out there, I could see finger prints all over the hood of my truck. Well, we get in...but the truck won't start. DAMN, we look under the hood, nothing looks wrong....then we see three state troopers just chilling (or so we thought) in the parking lot. Then several black lincons pulled up...He called his wife, told her to call a tow truck and to come pick us up...at this point I could really see the fear on Bobs face. He said it would be best if we waited inside...I assume, so there could be more witnesses.

Well, about 30 minutes later the tow truck shows up...about five minutes after that bobs wife shows up. She tells bob, “I got what you wanted.” I was like, 'huh?”....well good old Bob, had a jamming device. This scared me a bit more (if that was possible)...but he said we're going to drop you off at your house, and you must, You MUST, destroy it all, NOW. Well we get back to my house at about 3pm...and it's been broken into. Seriously, I was flipping the fuck out. The power to the house was cut off, so the alarm system didn't go off. I asked bob, if he thinks I should go in...he just said be careful.

I have a concealed weapons permit, so as I grab my gun, I go inside my house....it is totally trashed. Cabinets ripped off the walls, couch disassembled, computer gone, paperwork gone. Bob said, “don't call the cops, it's only going to make things worse.” I didn't know if that was the best advice, because that was the only group that I felt like could give me some peace of mine....so, I kept it to myself...and started putting my house back together.

Bob called me the next day, telling me that he'd give me a laptop of his, and hopefully the system he had setup on it would help protect me a little. So during lunch one day, I met up with him, he gave me the laptop. He also surprised me, he said he was moving...he and his wife were moving to South America?! I was about to lose it, he was the only person I had on my side....I felt like I couldn't tell anyone, anything. I was seriously loosing it.

Two weeks later, I hadn't heard from him, so I tried giving him a call to see if he needed help packing up his house....the number was disconnected. So I drove over to his house, empty. Trying to contain my fear, which was nearly impossible (I was literally shaking like a leaf)...I take off, to go back home. On my way home, shit was getting really thick. I am slightly familiar with trailing techniques....and I could swear I had a group of people following me.

At this point, I called off of work, and decided to head out of town. I have a place in the Appalachian mountains, that is about as isolated as you can get on the east coast. After a couple days of drinking my fears away, I get a weird email from “friend”. The message only said, watch your back. A day later, I get a message from Sara Law?? Telling me I'm being watched. That night, jets and choppers constantly flew over my house. Like I said, I was in the middle of no where...actually, I was in a quite zone, where anything that put off radio waves were illegal (*h). Scared absolutely shitless, the next day, I got the hell out of dodge, I called the office told them I was going to be away for the week. I proceeded to pack up my camping gear, and decided to go completely off the grid...I decided to hike 20-30miles off into nothingness.

After 3 days, I woke up one morning (3-4am), to find my tent illuminated. Like I was sitting in a field with a full moon shining directly over head. But, I was in the thickest forest, beside a rock face...I climb out of my tent, and almost instantaneously the light is gone. The things running through my mind were...well very disheartening. I started to think it was people in the woods, then I started to think it was from someone/thing over head....every little sound, scared the shit out of me....I was in hell.

It was at this point where I realised, if I was going to be hunted, they were going to have to 'take me' where there were other people around. I wasn't going to, just disappear in the woods, where no one would ever know what happened to me. So I immediately started packing up my stuff, and within 20 minutes I was hiking out of there. I got back to my truck and made the 11 hr drive back to my house.

When I got back, I passed out of exhaustion, when I woke up I felt like I needed to check my work email. As I log on, all of my emails are gone...every one I received, every one I sent out, every one I saved. Except I had one email, where the only message was 'they are going to hurt you'. It felt like my entire existence was over...I had no idea what to do, what to say, I had no idea on anything, except for the fear that I felt.

Going back to Bob....he had mentioned where he had got his start to his 'black hat' experience. As paranoid as I was, I ended grabbing a flight and heading out to Cali for weekend. I found his 'computer club' and tried explaining that I met Bob, and that he told me where I could find them. These dudes, totally though I was not legit. I continued searching, I ended up finding one of Bobs old friends (one of the same people that were involved with his bust). This guy was super skeptical too...and wanted nothing to do with me.

About three days later, I get a email saying go to 'friends' meeting point. I go to the shore, find the location, and I find a letter behind this rock telling me to go to a computer cafe, pay with cash, and check this email, on a server that I was not a 'member'.

This has to be the worst part. The email contained a bizarre file, that was a collection of every place I had gone, everyone I met, EVERYTHING I had done in the past 2 years. I wish I could go into details, but this stuff still strikes fear into my soul. It was at this point, I knew that this wasn't just some joke, or prank, or just someone trying to scare me.

Rattled to my core, I get a call from my parents. Someone tried to burn my house down. The next day, I finally get back to the east coast, and sure enough it had burnt....the fire inspector said it was a 'outlet fire', and that most likely that I had tried to burn down my house. At the same time, my house was brand new, there weren't any cords plugged into the socket, and thirdly, I had a power conditioner for the house (so I know it wasn't just some random spike in electricity). Because of the inspectors findings my insurance company said that they weren't going to cover my loss. Two days after that, I get a call from the CEO of where I worked, saying that they are closing their doors...and that I didn't have a job anymore.

So I pissed away everything I have, paying for the house, legal fees, etc. 2 years later, and am still jobless...Its so frustrating, I can't even get a job as a bag boy at a local grocery store, even though I have two degrees and a masters. As you might imagine, I have very little to my name...the only thing I do have is a wife, parents who love me, and only 1 friend...all the other ones refuse to have contact with me (for unknown reasons). I have 3 computers and dump loads of other equipment (since things have slowed down), all off them have gone the same way...fried hard drive, mother board, fried routers, fried firewalls.

It was at the end of this original fiasco, I got married to the woman of my dreams...even though I didn't think it was the best thing for her. I told her in part about this stuff, and I told her I didn't want to have to drag her into this thing...but we still went ahead with it, because of our love. Now, her fucking mom wants her to divorce me...for more unknown reasons. I still feel like this whole shit ass story could blow up at any time...but at least it feels good getting part of the story out there....

During this time, I've had some of the strangest experiences and happenings. Since it all started, I have also undergone serious back issues....even though I have never done anything to my back to hurt it. It is totally debilitating...and medicines don't work, nor can the figure out what is causing the pain. I have the lumps underneath my skin (between skin and muscle). Neodymium magnets stick to them like crazy. I even cut one out with a razor blade that was on my arm. It was covered in some kind of growth, but in the middle was a silver looking BB thing. I have woken up in the middle of (of my old) my back yard. I have dreams about once a month about be abducted. Missing time....I've seen doctors for all of them, they think I'm making it up.
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Holy crap man...what the hell did you look at?
My heart goes out to you and your family, I pray things work out for you. Have you considered moving out of the country?
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Ever studied alchemy?
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Oh, and while you're at it, tell us what you know about red mercury?

You've gone too far in your studies to not know about either of these.
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I will take your silence as a clear indicator.
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John, what would you say about this? This is my story for the past 5 years...

This is hard for me to explain....This is actually the first time I've ever told anyone (other than my wife, and one other very close friend) about this. For the past 3 years, I have been constantly looking over my shoulder...living in constant fear...and I DON'T want shit to hit the fan like it did before. Things have been quite for the past year, but nothing is like what it used to be.

The story began about 4-5 years ago, I met and became friends his guy (whom I'll call 'bob', that I met through a mutual friend). Bob and his wife were about 10 years older than I, but they were really cool people, and we always had a good time together. We used to meet up for dinner and drinks, golf outings, fishing trips, sports events...but I think we hit it off because of our mutual interests in paranormal activities, etc. We would talk at length about sitings and evidence. At one point, we had come across some highly damning evidence.

Bob was a 'black hat' turned professional 'white hat'...he was busted about 10 years ago for hacking some big time companies. He spend several years in jail...and when he got out, (little did he know) he was a hot commodity. He was immediately hired by a large IT-security company. During the time I knew Bob and his wife, he ALWAYS had some serious tech equipment. He always had the latest and greatest tech gear...even having stuff that wasn't on the market. And even though he probably made upwards of $200K a year, he would end up 'getting' a $75K-100K piece of equipment from out of no where. Seemed kind of odd...seemed kind of military...but nevertheless, cool....

At the same time, he taught me quite a bit about programming, security issues, 'gray hat work arounds...all kinds of goodies. As time went on, I learned even more. But at this one point, one of his old connections (from his black hat days), contacted him about 'a person of interest'.

Well, as it turns out that was me. This guy told bob that he better distance himself from me. The next day, Bob confronted me with this info, and inquired what I was doing with my newly acquired skills. I told him the truth, I had done nothing to anyone, nor any business. The only thing I was doing was trying to keep my PC safe.

Bob said it wasn't about 'that'...that it had to do about a event/evidence I had witnessed. (I wish I felt comfortable explaining the event, but I feel like this is what really fucked me. So I'm sorry, I am not go into that...then again, I guess since I'm posting this story here, you can figure out the basic outline.) The next day, we met of for dinner at this little place right outside of town. From the time I got there, I felt something wasn't right...there were too many 'clean cut' people in this restaurant, that usually had more of a working class feel to it....but I still couldn't put my finger on it.

Bob started to inquire more, but then stopped. Then he started writing what he wanted to say...telling me that I needed to destroy my hard drive, destroy any conversations we had, pretty much destroy everything that didn't pertain to my professional life as a real estate developer. This was really freaking me out. About 5 minutes into this, he said “we have to leave, NOW.” So we paid, and left to my truck.

As soon as I got out there, I could see finger prints all over the hood of my truck. Well, we get in...but the truck won't start. DAMN, we look under the hood, nothing looks wrong....then we see three state troopers just chilling (or so we thought) in the parking lot. Then several black lincons pulled up...He called his wife, told her to call a tow truck and to come pick us up...at this point I could really see the fear on Bobs face. He said it would be best if we waited inside...I assume, so there could be more witnesses.

Well, about 30 minutes later the tow truck shows up...about five minutes after that bobs wife shows up. She tells bob, “I got what you wanted.” I was like, 'huh?”....well good old Bob, had a jamming device. This scared me a bit more (if that was possible)...but he said we're going to drop you off at your house, and you must, You MUST, destroy it all, NOW. Well we get back to my house at about 3pm...and it's been broken into. Seriously, I was flipping the fuck out. The power to the house was cut off, so the alarm system didn't go off. I asked bob, if he thinks I should go in...he just said be careful.

I have a concealed weapons permit, so as I grab my gun, I go inside my house....it is totally trashed. Cabinets ripped off the walls, couch disassembled, computer gone, paperwork gone. Bob said, “don't call the cops, it's only going to make things worse.” I didn't know if that was the best advice, because that was the only group that I felt like could give me some peace of mine....so, I kept it to myself...and started putting my house back together.

Bob called me the next day, telling me that he'd give me a laptop of his, and hopefully the system he had setup on it would help protect me a little. So during lunch one day, I met up with him, he gave me the laptop. He also surprised me, he said he was moving...he and his wife were moving to South America?! I was about to lose it, he was the only person I had on my side....I felt like I couldn't tell anyone, anything. I was seriously loosing it.

Two weeks later, I hadn't heard from him, so I tried giving him a call to see if he needed help packing up his house....the number was disconnected. So I drove over to his house, empty. Trying to contain my fear, which was nearly impossible (I was literally shaking like a leaf)...I take off, to go back home. On my way home, shit was getting really thick. I am slightly familiar with trailing techniques....and I could swear I had a group of people following me.

At this point, I called off of work, and decided to head out of town. I have a place in the Appalachian mountains, that is about as isolated as you can get on the east coast. After a couple days of drinking my fears away, I get a weird email from “friend”. The message only said, watch your back. A day later, I get a message from Sara Law?? Telling me I'm being watched. That night, jets and choppers constantly flew over my house. Like I said, I was in the middle of no where...actually, I was in a quite zone, where anything that put off radio waves were illegal (*h). Scared absolutely shitless, the next day, I got the hell out of dodge, I called the office told them I was going to be away for the week. I proceeded to pack up my camping gear, and decided to go completely off the grid...I decided to hike 20-30miles off into nothingness.

After 3 days, I woke up one morning (3-4am), to find my tent illuminated. Like I was sitting in a field with a full moon shining directly over head. But, I was in the thickest forest, beside a rock face...I climb out of my tent, and almost instantaneously the light is gone. The things running through my mind were...well very disheartening. I started to think it was people in the woods, then I started to think it was from someone/thing over head....every little sound, scared the shit out of me....I was in hell.

It was at this point where I realised, if I was going to be hunted, they were going to have to 'take me' where there were other people around. I wasn't going to, just disappear in the woods, where no one would ever know what happened to me. So I immediately started packing up my stuff, and within 20 minutes I was hiking out of there. I got back to my truck and made the 11 hr drive back to my house.

When I got back, I passed out of exhaustion, when I woke up I felt like I needed to check my work email. As I log on, all of my emails are gone...every one I received, every one I sent out, every one I saved. Except I had one email, where the only message was 'they are going to hurt you'. It felt like my entire existence was over...I had no idea what to do, what to say, I had no idea on anything, except for the fear that I felt.

Going back to Bob....he had mentioned where he had got his start to his 'black hat' experience. As paranoid as I was, I ended grabbing a flight and heading out to Cali for weekend. I found his 'computer club' and tried explaining that I met Bob, and that he told me where I could find them. These dudes, totally though I was not legit. I continued searching, I ended up finding one of Bobs old friends (one of the same people that were involved with his bust). This guy was super skeptical too...and wanted nothing to do with me.

About three days later, I get a email saying go to 'friends' meeting point. I go to the shore, find the location, and I find a letter behind this rock telling me to go to a computer cafe, pay with cash, and check this email, on a server that I was not a 'member'.

This has to be the worst part. The email contained a bizarre file, that was a collection of every place I had gone, everyone I met, EVERYTHING I had done in the past 2 years. I wish I could go into details, but this stuff still strikes fear into my soul. It was at this point, I knew that this wasn't just some joke, or prank, or just someone trying to scare me.

Rattled to my core, I get a call from my parents. Someone tried to burn my house down. The next day, I finally get back to the east coast, and sure enough it had burnt....the fire inspector said it was a 'outlet fire', and that most likely that I had tried to burn down my house. At the same time, my house was brand new, there weren't any cords plugged into the socket, and thirdly, I had a power conditioner for the house (so I know it wasn't just some random spike in electricity). Because of the inspectors findings my insurance company said that they weren't going to cover my loss. Two days after that, I get a call from the CEO of where I worked, saying that they are closing their doors...and that I didn't have a job anymore.

So I pissed away everything I have, paying for the house, legal fees, etc. 2 years later, and am still jobless...Its so frustrating, I can't even get a job as a bag boy at a local grocery store, even though I have two degrees and a masters. As you might imagine, I have very little to my name...the only thing I do have is a wife, parents who love me, and only 1 friend...all the other ones refuse to have contact with me (for unknown reasons). I have 3 computers and dump loads of other equipment (since things have slowed down), all off them have gone the same way...fried hard drive, mother board, fried routers, fried firewalls.

It was at the end of this original fiasco, I got married to the woman of my dreams...even though I didn't think it was the best thing for her. I told her in part about this stuff, and I told her I didn't want to have to drag her into this thing...but we still went ahead with it, because of our love. Now, her fucking mom wants her to divorce me...for more unknown reasons. I still feel like this whole shit ass story could blow up at any time...but at least it feels good getting part of the story out there....

During this time, I've had some of the strangest experiences and happenings. Since it all started, I have also undergone serious back issues....even though I have never done anything to my back to hurt it. It is totally debilitating...and medicines don't work, nor can the figure out what is causing the pain. I have the lumps underneath my skin (between skin and muscle). Neodymium magnets stick to them like crazy. I even cut one out with a razor blade that was on my arm. It was covered in some kind of growth, but in the middle was a silver looking BB thing. I have woken up in the middle of (of my old) my back yard. I have dreams about once a month about be abducted. Missing time....I've seen doctors for all of them, they think I'm making it up.
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Holy crap man...what the hell did you look at?
My heart goes out to you and your family, I pray things work out for you. Have you considered moving out of the country?
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Thanks discl0sur3. I have...but just don't have resources to make the move. I've tried applying for jobs in all kinds of emerging markets, but I get nothing. I'm trying to learn mandarin Chinese. I'm also back in school to get computer science degree, hopefully after that I can make a move...
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honestly, I'm so tired of this shit. I don't need any help...I wish I could just go on with my life, forget about this shit, and realize there is nothing I can do to change the past. I just want to know if I'm the only one...and what the future might hold.

It's all so damn fuzzy, and that makes me mad as hell..
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Dr. Judy Wood is being attacked on all fronts especially by Hoagland. Anybody who attacks Dr. Woods book is, in my opinion, a full fledged disinformation tool.

In your opinion, who was behind 9/11 (specifically, who used the electromagnetic weapons)?
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I don't know who but most likely the MIC was behind 911.

I don't who authorized the pulling of the trigger of the orbiting weapons platform (operated by U.S. Navy) that used molecular disassociation on WTC 1, 2 and Building 7.
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Speaking of the Navy...

I was an attorney--now suspended for "emotional instability"*--who saw a military document that indicated Delmart Vreeland was employed by the Office of Naval Intelligence just like he claimed. (recall that Vreeland warned of 9/11 while incarcerated in Canada in August of 2001, but the pentagon--OUR pentagon--said that he was lying and was never employed by the ONI. That was a lie.)

A Lt-colonel from the Defense Intelligence Agency then came to my law office and questioned me about my interest in Vreeland and cell towers (I had, as an attorney, been investigating the use of cell towers as possible mind control---or emotional control--devices, and noted that several in my town were leased to the Dept of Defense).

After that my law office was ransacked and I was being followed EVERYWHERE and feared for my life (not saying the fear was legitimate, just that I felt it) and I closed down my office and never went back.

All the drama stopped after I gave up and closed down my office and stopped practicing law. I have not been followed or harassed since.

Anyway, just wanted you and others to know the truth about Vreeland and our Navy (specifically the FACT that the Office of Naval Intelligence had foreknowledge of 9/11).


* I was suspended for emotional instability because I flipped out when I realized my own govt was harassing me, and had an emotional breakdown while relaying what I knew to the Texas State Bar's lead attorney.

He told me that what I was suggesting was "impossible...the U.S. military would NEVER act against U.S. citizens" and strongly suggested I take a break because I was so emotionally overwrought.

Professionally, I am a laughingstock. All I can do now is tell the truth and hope that that still matters.
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I cannot attest to your sanity but I can attest to the fact the Department of Defense is not what the American people think . . . you have that right! By-the-way that does not mean the members of the services are in any way knowledgeable or complicit in any wrong doing. Many members of the service only find out what is going on long after they leave the government.

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John, what would you say about this? This is my story for the past 5 years...

This is hard for me to explain....This is actually the first time I've ever told anyone (other than my wife, and one other very close friend) about this. For the past 3 years, I have been constantly looking over my shoulder...living in constant fear...and I DON'T want shit to hit the fan like it did before. Things have been quite for the past year, but nothing is like what it used to be.

The story began about 4-5 years ago,

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Cool story, bro.





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