I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

JohnLear,

In order to live with integrity, without envy, greed or hate, one would need to have a strong degree of control. If we have violent/negative thoughts we can sometimes control them but often we can't, or at least most of us can't because as humans with emotions, we're hard wired to lose control sometimes.

How can we live by those principles when we're hard wired to feel and hence lose control (sometimes)?

An example would be, if a serial killer murdered your mother in a heinous fashion, how can you not hate the killer for all eternity? To not hate the killer is not the reaction of a normal human being.

Let's hear it for all of us CRAZY ASS NUTTERS!!!!!!!!!


BOOM BOOM REE! Kick 'em in the knee!

BOOM BOOM BASS! Kick 'em in the other knee!

That's an extreme example. In most cases hate comes down to nurture, not nature.

And maybe if you're educated enough you understand that serial killers are mentally ill and can't help what they do. That knowledge alone won't allow you to forgive but it may allow you to eventually move on and let go after the wounds heal.

Last Edited by Ingot on 01/18/2012 10:29 PM

Agreed. Sometimes forgiveness can be incomprehensible, and in some cases understandably so. Although, in this book, the author talks about forgiveness as a powerful tool for freedom from suffering/deliverance and self-development. I'm not the one to tell you how and who to forgive, but I really liked what this book had to share.

[link to www.amazon.com]

Last Edited by TheDude99 on 01/19/2012 01:33 AM

SO where did the "Mars" rock actually come from that just fell from the sky and landed on Earth (per Yahoo News)?

Mars guys playing baseball much? LOL

Love your Dad's thread Jax BTW as well as my own 4 daughters :)

Cheers!

good question

I've read Lou's big thread on that other domain, and I exchanged emails with him. I was lucky enough to read his screenplay, I am sure it will be made into a movie someday, as it's a really cool telling of his 'travels' and how space really is.

I have to agree with John that one of the nicer aspects of Lou's story is that he doesn't stray into issues of dogma. The message is simple: ET is like 100 foot tall parents for us and we are fools to think otherwise. That's the main message of Lou and I agree. Basically it's hilarious that we all think we have any ability to affect or stop "ET" because it's like a child thinking they're gonna take over their parents' house.

One thing I appreciate in his screenplay was that when he got to the 'space station' and he said there were travelers of all different kinds walking through an area of the station that had a huge display window and out that window, an amazing stellar view. Lou mentions that the various people from space, some would still kneel and pray at the window, while others didn't and just moved on. The simple message of this and other writings by sleeper/Lou B is that we are fools to worry about religion, because even outside the Earth, stellar travelers are allowed socially to either believe in divinity (as with those who simply knelt and prayed at the window which showed the view of space) or to disbelieve in divinity (as with those who kept on walking hurrying to their destinations). The point in this quick scene is "as above so below" in the sense that it would be incredibly boring if there were no touches of the divine, yet still the divinity touches us in our own ways, such that John Lear on Earth may disbelieve in religion whereas his neighbor may believe, just like at the big train-station in space where fellow travelers have the same choice. In this and other ways, I enjoy the method Lou uses, to explain deep truths that seem to resonate.

It's not what sleeper says that made him so famous at that other domain, a few years back. It's what he doesn't say. As with all such stories, free will must be a part of it if one is good-aligned, because free will does not desire to remove anyone's ability to disbelieve. That is essential, that when you tell a true story, you preserve free will by always allowing the listener a way to disbelieve.

[link to www.gizapower.com]

Are you familiar with Chris Dunn's work on pyramids and temples? He's an engineer so naturally, he wanted to learn how they built pyramids, etc and saw that they were so accurate and wondered how they did that esp on granite stone which required specialized machining tool to build something out of granite stone because it is a very hard stone.

That's at least 5,000 years ago, maybe up to 15,000 years ago and "experts" say they used primitive copper tools by hands yet when you google for information on how to work on granite stone these days, you'd need specialized machining tools. Pretty impressive.

And how the heck do they know for sure came from Mars??

Maybe they have gift shops on Mars and someone snuck it through security...

Excellent post!! Well said!

To expound on the above scene in Lou's story where he goes to the 'transfer station'

Imagine if you suddenly were on a spaceship. You'd feel it and see the stars outside the window and you'd think, "Ah yes. Spaceship." If you were a lucid dreamer you may try to wake up or whatever, but eventually your mind would settle into the surroundings.

So then on this spaceship, someone tells you, "Oh yes well the only way the ship can fly, is if some mutated, stoned-on-spice alien being, points to a distant star and opens a wormhole. These creepy aliens are called "The Spacing Guild" and they simply "fold" space and they handle all the space shipping. Nobody is ever allowed to see them, but that's how ships travel."

Of course the description above is from the fictional tale "Dune" by Frank Herbert. That world is set tens of thousands of years from now.

So in a way, I am explaining that there are two ways to be visionary, but also to explain higher concepts. One way is to write an epically fictional book, that EVERYONE knows is fiction. Like Frank Herbert. Nobody can believe Dune is real, simply because its "in the far future". But Lou's work is different than that. He's basically trying to explain that space is already like that and far stranger. Lou says there are humans on other planets in the Sol system. Frank Herbert says that 1000's of years from now we will find one planet that is the key to the whole region. But what if EARTH is that planet? What if in sleeper's tale, Earth is like Arrakis in the Dune mythology. Would you have trouble grasping that concept? That's how I look at it. Earth is the gem, but it's also a cradle where babies live (that's us). Frankly, don't we always associate cradles, with 'preciousness'? Of course we do.

Anyway, the hardest part about Lou's work, is letting go of the fear that the heart conjures when it is given the grandest of vistas. Put a human at the edge of a huge abyss and they will react in different ways, some will be at peace, and others will deeply desire to step back and go back to their "real life".

Same place the 'moon' rocks came from. Parts of the world that nobody has access to. Then they 'Lunarized' or 'Martianized' as the case may be using wire brushes, acetylene torches and other tools.

"BBC reports that a treasured piece at the Dutch national museum — a supposed moon rock from the first manned lunar landing given to former Prime Minister Willem Drees during a goodwill tour by the three Apollo-11 astronauts shortly after their moon mission in 1969 — has been revealed as nothing more than petrified wood, curators say. A jagged fist-size stone with reddish tints, it was mounted and placed above a plaque that said, 'With the compliments of the Ambassador of the United States of America... to commemorate the visit to The Netherlands of the Apollo-11 astronauts.' The plaque does not specify that the rock came from the moon's surface. Researchers from Amsterdam's Free University said they could see at a glance the rock was probably not from the moon. They followed the initial appraisal up with extensive testing. 'It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone,' wrote Geologist Frank Beunk in an article published by the museum. Beunk says the rock, which the museum at one point insured for more than half a million dollars, was worth no more than $70. The 'rock' had originally been been vetted through a phone call to NASA. As the US Embassy in the Hague said it was investigating the matter, the Rijksmuseum says it will keep the piece as a curiosity."

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Had NAZA realized that so many people were going to take the Apollo Hoax seriously they would have been much more careful in selecting moon rocks from Earth. As it is NAZA has been secretly removing Lunar Rocks from various collections and claiming they were 'stolen' because of their tremendous value.

The original fake moon rocks were found and selected by Werner von Braun in Antarctica in the early 1960's. Von Braun then directed how the rocks should be 'Lunarized' with electric wire brushes wheels, acetylene torches and coloring agents.

It should be noted that the following personnel resigned shortly after the alleged return of Apollo 11.

NASA resignations July 1969:

Bill Hess Chief NASA Scientist, Houston,
Apollo oral history project,12-04-2000 Anthony J. Calio page 12-8
Elbert King Geologist, Curator of Lunar Samples in Lunar Receiving Laboratory
P.R. Bell Chief of Lunar Receiving Laboratory
Donald Wise National Academy of Sciences
Space Science Board, NASA Manned Spaceflight Section Director

NAZA has admitted that these resignations occurred but has changed the exact dates to as not arouse suspicion of the significance.

John

You may have missed my question but in response to your note about the Greys (See below) do the grey's have consciousness?

what do you think happened to Roanoke colony ?

for Integrity

Could you count me in as a 701 please?

Conscience: Inner prompting to do good or evil
The grays are programmed not to do evil.
Consciousness: Aware of the surrounding world. Aware of a specific thing. Deliberate.
Yes, the grays are conscious.

Hi John,

Hope you're doing well. What do you know about the TR-3B "flying triangle" craft supposedly developed by the USA?

Thanks.

No, no split. That is folkore.

When the need for particular civilzation is gone then so is that civiliztion.

Everybody is taken care of. Those that have reached the grade go to play with the adults. The others go to a planet similar to earth; there are a billion times a billion of them so no shortage.

But no split

I sure don't. I have heard about it ever since the F-19 and F-117A came out.

Other than Fouche I have not heard that the TR-3B was a triangle.

The Navy had a flying triangle that was developed out of the A-12 (not the blackbird) the other triangle, the one that was supposedly cancelled.

If the TR-3B exists that it may be another name for the F-19 of which they made 64 and was the airplane that General Bobby Bonds was killed in near Groom Lake.

One day maybe I'll get to know what the infamous TR-3B is but it won't be today.

You are in. No. 701.

The story is similar to the one in the 1800's where a entire Alaskan village disappeared one evening, leaving food cooking, water boiling and tables set for dinner.

Other than the people every single grave was dug up and the remains taken with them. There might have been some overwhelming need for the people to be close to their dead relatives.

But Roaoke, samee type of mystery.

Did you see 2 down from this post?

Excellent post Ingot. I should mention that nobody every gets killed, they just move into another meat sack. Nobody ever, ever dies.

Howdy John, happy new year mate.

I recently watched a vid on an ex-navy seal who 'flew' tomahawks from about '91 thru to 2001. After a few really bad misses (schools, baby food factories etc) they enlisted these guys to 'patch in' to the in flight tomahawk, and guide it using remote control links to more acurately arrive at its target.

First interesting comment was the amount of tomahawks used in that time span, when I believe the US was not at war at all in the region (middle east).

Second interesting comment was that the tomahawks had many cameras on board, and were used as surveilance, all be it a short duration, much like today's drones.

The fella mentions that today's drones, in terms of public awareness seem to be the opposite. By this I mean we know a tomahawk is a missile, but did not necessarily know it could be used as a surveilance device, where as current drones are surveilance devices, but not neccesarily known as offensive weaponry. I understand that hellfire missiles have been attached to them, and other munitions, but this fella claims that the drone itself has a large amount of explosive material on board that can be used to destroy a target.

I bring this up as recently we have seen quite a few US drones landing at civilian airports in 'limp home' mode, which if what this fella says is true, then certainly some sort of rule has been breeched hasnt it?

The other side of this fellas story is what 'he' understood to be happening on 9-11. To quote him, "as a man who for the past 8 years had flown aircraft in to buildings..."

He went on to say the pentagon hit was a text book over fly and re-confirm target on a semi-PC controlled spiral dive. Easy for a tomahawk, almost impossible for any other aircraft. He had himself made that manouver many times.

I dont normally do project camelot, but this fella's info was very interesting.

Have you sen it, or have any comment on the above?

Excellent post Dude99. Thanks.

Yes.

thanks for the explanation, that's why the first thing I said was supposedly. When you explained earlier in the thread how when a society is not needed anymore or has reached it's apex it's time to move on, it was heartfelt. Makes me wonder how long this society has. I don't think I'll be around when it resets, hopefully. I'd like to move on and I'm working on raising myself to that level daily, I'm just glad to have always been concious of the fact that there is way more out there all my life. Now I'm just working on my integrity daily (trying to right the wrongs of my past by doing more everyday).

John what do you think Mental illness is really? Is it a result of tampering, or is it a genetic thing?