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I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

 
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Hi John,

I'm watching this interview with you at the moment ( [link to www.youtube.com] really great stuff. When the lady asked you about the bombs and you said "you could see them popping out" Dr.Wood describes how in huge buildings every 10th floor or so there are large water tanks that supply all the floors beneath them (those skyscrapers are simply too massive to have one enormous tank on the roof to supply every floor.) So when the Directed Energy Weaponry hit the towers and the floors started to vaporize it was those water tanks that were bursting outward causing an "explosive" effect." When I find that interview I will link it to you.

Good on you for being so brave regarding 9-11. That takes real guts.
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Hey John do you think these videos depict reptilians/shapershifters? I seriously cannot come up with any other explanation. People will say it is computer artifacts but i find it highly unlikely considering it occurs just on the eyes, and in multiple videos, just on the eyes.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

I was once watching in high definition a foreign correspondent on the MSNBC website, and at the very end of the interview his eyes did the exact same thing depicted in the videos. I thought hmm that was scary and strange, so i headed to youtube to see if anyone else had picked up on this and low and behold they had.

Here is another one of a news reporter 'losing form'. I find the fact he constantly looks away as if he trying to hide his eyes very suspicious. Then when his image starts breaking up he actually moves off cam as if he knows he is losing his 'form'. Whats even scarier is there are multiple instances of this happening and in each instance there is something there to indicate that they aware of it and trying their best to retain form.

[link to www.youtube.com]

and another one...

[link to www.youtube.com]

(this women gives me the creeps, notice how the 'artifacts' move with here as if they are attached to her, and that everything else in camera is perfectly in tact, no artifacting whatsoever. Debunkers will say they are artifacts...artifacts do not cling to clothes and the body like we are seeing here. Again some suspicious stuff going on in that video like she is getting yelled at in her ear piece she is shifting)

[link to www.youtube.com]

(again no artifacting anywhere else but on the lady, and the artifacts move with the person)


This video however i really would like your opinion on. It is of George Bush Snr, and you can clearly see his left eye flickers and there is a noise that goes along with it (make sure u have ur speakers up louds). At 36 seconds is when it occurs, a shift in the eyes and a noise at that exact point in time.

[link to www.youtube.com]

And then for good measure we have Jenna Bush, showing some of the strange behaviour seen in the above videos, starts at about 2:50.

[link to www.youtube.com]

and again another video of her, at about 2:58.

[link to www.youtube.com]

I definately see a pattern, they often find it hard to speak whilst they go through these stages. Its as if its a juggling act, them speaking and appearing human at times just they get a bit wobbly but ususally manage to retain control over it.

IMO, this could also explain oddities like the women with garbled speech in the news.

[link to www.youtube.com]

People said she must of had a stroke but according to news sources she did not. What can explain that kind of garbled speech in a veteran news reporter?


What i also think is a give away is that on every youtube video that has these, you will see many comments that go out of their way to include the words "CRAZY, STUPID, IDIOTS". I belive disinfo agents are assigned a duty to spend their entire day to debunk this stuff because generally the greater population refers to the comments of a video to determine the authenticity. When they see such insults, many would automatically think oh it cannot be real. However it does not fool me considering these same people also upload video's that debunk these clips with so called 'artifacting' and 'video compression problems'. If it is so 'CRAZY, STUPID, IDIOTIC' to believe in this kind of stuff, why go out of your way to make a video to disprove it?

I for one can see how the world works and how they use our own ego's against us. For instance, in the case of no planes on 911, even if they did not use holograms i can see how they sold the story. I relate it to my own experiences. When something big, cool or amazing happened in my lifetime, i personally have been guilty of telling my friends that i had been a part of it, or has this seen etc.

I can very well see people claiming to see the planes hit the tower to their friends, I mean they saw the explosion, they heard the explosion, they saw everything else...they know it was from planes by the suggestion in the media so they might as well include in their stories that they tell their friends that they saw the planes too. This even applies to the person in this thread who said their friend saw the plane hit. Not to say holograms weren't used as that is a very real possibility, but i agree with you 100% that no planes ever hit those towers. No crash physics to speak of. Even at 12 years of age when i saw those planes hit i remember explicity thinking to myself 'those planes were absorbed into that building as smooth as butter'. Knowing now they the buildings had steel frames, this is just not possible.
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I too have listened to a few hours of Dietrich's many ramblings on other internet sites and AM radio shows. I agree with John Lear. Dietrich is a dis-info agent. No doubt about it.

Ken
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Ken,

Douglas Dietrich is the most disruptive source of historical information on the planet. It provokes thought not blind consumption and it takes time to internalize too. The recent Narconomics talks are extraordinary because names, dates, companies and locations are provided. That's evidence for people to verify for themselves if they wish.

However, JL and DD's information contradict each other. Their profiles both hypothetically lend themselves to being classic disinformation agents for the CIA and DOD respectively given their historical associations. That's not hyperbole either. It's cold rationalism.

But they may both be innocent too, or one might be good and the other might not. I like a fair bit of John Lear's information and don't reject all of it, but both JL and DD need to clear Roswell up or more problems for Sleeper are evident if left ignored. I don't agree with all of DD's information either. We disagree on lots but mostly we share what we agree on.

However more importantly let's not ignore that the Military and the CIA are in conflict. Panetta moved to DOD and Petraus to CIA. Castling these two roles is an extraordinary move. One of the most interesting, daring and pointed of the last four years administration. It fosters more tensions than normal between the CIA and the Military and we've seen examples of this in Lebanon, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya to mention a few, though it seems there is cooperation over Israel.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

For me both institutions of the military and CIA are evil and psychotic. It will be interesting to see what unfolds from John Lear's allegation that Douglas Dietrich is Naval Disinformation. It's a shame a dialogue couldn't be opened instead of JL labelling DD. I feel it was premature and removed a chance for two people to share information. Both have a lot more in common than what divides them. A propensity for information that most people can't handle for a start.

If I was into disinformation I'd have done exactly what John Lear did. I'd have smeared Douglas Dietrich before talking to him.

c.
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CIA charter aircraft like anybody else does. They also hire private contractors like anyone else does.

Don't you think the Nazis would get a new logo after WW2? Or just not have one at all? Yes, Nazis in Antarctica is common knowledge. I've heard of it many times so it must be. Neuschwarben land or something like that.

If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums.

Charles, you may be starting to protesteth a bit too much. You are going to have to prove it! (How do you prove a negative anyway?)

James Jesus Angleton anybody?

Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers. CIA has their own hookers don't they? Honey Traps Inc.

What about UFOs buzzing the whitehouse in 1952? Why didn't they land? They were looking for intelligent life.

The 'Battle of L.A' in 1942 sure is disinfo. Or is that misinfo. Isn't a 'battle' between two sides? I get my disinfo and my misinfo and my UFO and my MOFO all mixed up sometimes.

You'll just have to forgive them. To quote Heinz (Henry) Kissenger: Military men are dumb stupid animals that we use to do our bidding. Oh and let's weaponize the food and kill the useless eaters that are using up 'our' resourses while we're at it..

Much better to listen to John and Sleeper.
 Quoting: HaveBlue


Hello HaveBlue

I've responded elsewhere on this thread about John Lear's claims that Douglas Dietrich is Naval Intelligence Disinformation. It wont be hard to find out if that's true or not.

As for John's CIA association it's a matter of record. His father had Majestic and Anti Grav peers and friends during the 50's. John made a living flying drugs and guns for the CIA while the US was carpet bombing peaceful Buddhist countries.

A retirement of disinformation is not preposterous. But I can provide a more nuanced position than so far. My keyboard is toast so it will have to wait.

You write: If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums

You are very much mistaken on that premise. The most extraordinary fairy tales and illusions are crafted as disinformation. Most of the information is accurate and then a fantastic story is slipped in as a classic disinformation strategy because it misleads but also destroys trust for the person who swallowed it.

Project Bluebeam, Mass Banker Arrests, Roswell, Fluoride, Nixon, Disclosure, Moon Inhabitants, Travel to the moon in 62 and Mars in 66.

All of these are crazy examples of disinformation because they turn off everyone before the sentence is finished. I've thrown a couple of John's in there to make my point but I will outline a much more concrete reason for challenging John's veracity than this keyboard will provide. The Sleeper information is thus far the weak link. I've read the internet posts and they are substandard, serve no purpose and Sleeper's interview makes it clear he's an automaton.

Religion is the oldest disinformation. The existentialist, victim perpetrator, messiah complex is plain to see in the dogma of Sleeper. I'm not saying it's wrong till I read the books as well as the net posts but Sleeper Cell is like his name. He's a guy pimping a message that says 'You are insignificant' unless you join the special club. That's not true. Humans are awesome.

You write: Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers.

Really? I speak fluent Thai, have a Thai child and have been coming here for 20 years in between stints in Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, KL, Jakarta and Manila.

I sound like someone looking for hookers? Why would you say something so off topic in a public forum? I've no idea why you think I'm looking for prostitutes in Thailand. One doesn't look for prostitutes in Thailand. Prostitution is ubiquitous.

Is it harder to find prostitutes in New Zealand where you are? Is that why you asked?

You sound like your working for John Lear. I say that because your last sentence was as follows.

"Much better to listen to John and Sleeper."

Really?

Your devotion to John is admirable for a disciple though somewhat perplexing for a person who engages in rationalism when writing. Its much better to challenge everything and figure things out. We didn't bury the Abrahamic redeemer complex religions just to have John peddle a new variant of 'humans are powerless'.

We're not powerless. We're awesome and the disinfo cockroaches work for small groups of powerful global oligarchs who hate that. They do it for a pension.

They sell their body and souls for slimy pension....

How cheap is that...
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CIA charter aircraft like anybody else does. They also hire private contractors like anyone else does.

Don't you think the Nazis would get a new logo after WW2? Or just not have one at all? Yes, Nazis in Antarctica is common knowledge. I've heard of it many times so it must be. Neuschwarben land or something like that.

If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums.

Charles, you may be starting to protesteth a bit too much. You are going to have to prove it! (How do you prove a negative anyway?)

James Jesus Angleton anybody?

Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers. CIA has their own hookers don't they? Honey Traps Inc.

What about UFOs buzzing the whitehouse in 1952? Why didn't they land? They were looking for intelligent life.

The 'Battle of L.A' in 1942 sure is disinfo. Or is that misinfo. Isn't a 'battle' between two sides? I get my disinfo and my misinfo and my UFO and my MOFO all mixed up sometimes.

You'll just have to forgive them. To quote Heinz (Henry) Kissenger: Military men are dumb stupid animals that we use to do our bidding. Oh and let's weaponize the food and kill the useless eaters that are using up 'our' resourses while we're at it..

Much better to listen to John and Sleeper.
 Quoting: HaveBlue


Hello HaveBlue

I've responded elsewhere on this thread about John Lear's claims that Douglas Dietrich is Naval Intelligence Disinformation. It wont be hard to find out if that's true or not.

As for John's CIA association it's a matter of record. His father had Majestic and Anti Grav peers and friends during the 50's. John made a living flying drugs and guns for the CIA while the US was carpet bombing peaceful Buddhist countries.

A retirement of disinformation is not preposterous. But I can provide a more nuanced position than so far. My keyboard is toast so it will have to wait.

You write: If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums

You are very much mistaken on that premise. The most extraordinary fairy tales and illusions are crafted as disinformation. Most of the information is accurate and then a fantastic story is slipped in as a classic disinformation strategy because it misleads but also destroys trust for the person who swallowed it.

Project Bluebeam, Mass Banker Arrests, Roswell, Fluoride, Nixon, Disclosure, Moon Inhabitants, Travel to the moon in 62 and Mars in 66.

All of these are crazy examples of disinformation because they turn off everyone before the sentence is finished. I've thrown a couple of John's in there to make my point but I will outline a much more concrete reason for challenging John's veracity than this keyboard will provide. The Sleeper information is thus far the weak link. I've read the internet posts and they are substandard, serve no purpose and Sleeper's interview makes it clear he's an automaton.

Religion is the oldest disinformation. The existentialist, victim perpetrator, messiah complex is plain to see in the dogma of Sleeper. I'm not saying it's wrong till I read the books as well as the net posts but Sleeper Cell is like his name. He's a guy pimping a message that says 'You are insignificant' unless you join the special club. That's not true. Humans are awesome.

You write: Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers.

Really? I speak fluent Thai, have a Thai child and have been coming here for 20 years in between stints in Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, KL, Jakarta and Manila.

I sound like someone looking for hookers? Why would you say something so off topic in a public forum? I've no idea why you think I'm looking for prostitutes in Thailand. One doesn't look for prostitutes in Thailand. Prostitution is ubiquitous.

Is it harder to find prostitutes in New Zealand where you are? Is that why you asked?

You sound like your working for John Lear. I say that because your last sentence was as follows.

"Much better to listen to John and Sleeper."

Really?

Your devotion to John is admirable for a disciple though somewhat perplexing for a person who engages in rationalism when writing. Its much better to challenge everything and figure things out. We didn't bury the Abrahamic redeemer complex religions just to have John peddle a new variant of 'humans are powerless'.

We're not powerless. We're awesome and the disinfo cockroaches work for small groups of powerful global oligarchs who hate that. They do it for a pension.

They sell their body and souls for slimy pension....

How cheap is that...
 Quoting: charlesfrith


You are probably correct that John is disinfo or he's just been intentionally misled. I think William Cooper had it right when he realized that the whole ufo/alien thing was a massive psyop. That people were shown classified ufo material, so they would leak it to the public. They needed to plant that seed in case they wanted to have a never ending unwinable war against an alien race. It's probably next after they have exhausted the B.S. war on terror. It's unfortunate that the only way to tell if someone is credible is if they get murdered by the government.
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CIA charter aircraft like anybody else does. They also hire private contractors like anyone else does.
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When i was three they came for me
I was wide awake and seen them many,many times since then
I know that the government has also done the fake ones but I have seen them for real. The first one I saw was a little blue looking man who stuck me with this wand. I also been taken by the brownish orange ones. they are real and I can say that for a fact..I have seen huge ships the size of a small town..
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You are probably correct that John is disinfo or he's just been intentionally misled. I think William Cooper had it right when he realized that the whole ufo/alien thing was a massive psyop. That people were shown classified ufo material, so they would leak it to the public. They needed to plant that seed in case they wanted to have a never ending unwinable war against an alien race. It's probably next after they have exhausted the B.S. war on terror. It's unfortunate that the only way to tell if someone is credible is if they get murdered by the government.
 Quoting: charlesfrith


Great comment.

I'm not saying John is disinformation but the Bob Lazar chance meeting is a little odd and the core Sleeper (cell) message of apathy, non intervention, deity superiority and amoral inaction is old school religion to a T.

Diinfo love that narrative as it encourages people to ignore what the great theft going on by elites rifling the peoples pockets.

William Cooper changed view and I don't know how he then rejected the time he observed a UFO in the Navy. Odd story unless you know a little more than I've learned.

Here is DD's latest interview. He names names including Stan Friedman's role as a paid disinformation agent.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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i do not believe john or doug are intentional disinfo...unless they are dis..ing some things that need to be dised without clearance...

lol


both have merit
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Hey Charles
Why don't you make up your own mind about what you wish to believe? Is it John Lears task, or DD for that matter, to clear your mind? Who ever wins the fight is who you pledge your allegiance too? You will never know the truth. You are only allowed your own truth. So who's is it going to be? Your own or someone elses? If you can't make up your own mind, why get upset with people who can and do?
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Hey Charles
Why don't you make up your own mind about what you wish to believe? Is it John Lears task, or DD for that matter, to clear your mind? Who ever wins the fight is who you pledge your allegiance too? You will never know the truth. You are only allowed your own truth. So who's is it going to be? Your own or someone elses? If you can't make up your own mind, why get upset with people who can and do?
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You can only come to know the truth from within. You're not going to read it on the internet.
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Hey Charles
Why don't you make up your own mind about what you wish to believe? Is it John Lears task, or DD for that matter, to clear your mind? Who ever wins the fight is who you pledge your allegiance too? You will never know the truth. You are only allowed your own truth. So who's is it going to be? Your own or someone elses? If you can't make up your own mind, why get upset with people who can and do?
 Quoting: PhoenixAZ


You can only come to know the truth from within. You're not going to read it on the internet.
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what do u mean by that. I always see people say this. Noone is born with the truth. Nobody just starts developing the truth. The search for truth is a never ending journey for some and thats understandable.

You may know the truth, deep in your heart and if that what u mean then fine, but don't pretend like that truth just came to you oneday, that from deep down within the truth appeared to you.

I hate phrases like this. Meaningless.
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@Charles. My dry sense of humour has backfired again. I still suffer from foot and mouth disease. I am sorry if you took offence -

My comments about listening to John and Sleeper only refers to living with integrety, without hate envy and greed.

As that is the bottom line of them and one I agree with. Nothing else. I have only heard Part 1 of his veritas interview.

@justoneof many. This is unbelieveable to many if not most people on the planet.
But you were there and I was not and I am not such a know it all or so narrowminded to call you anything derogatory.

I will say thanks for sharing and all that good stuff. Many are saying the same as you are. Are you all crazy or whatever label people that can't be bothered use? I'm happy to listen with an open mind.

I would love to read or hear your sory if there is anywhere I can do that please do provide link.

I like to listen carefully and then wait. Months or years or whatever it takes.
Eg, this Col Greg Rinchich chap has alot to say but different shows he's on he makes small changes to certain so called unimportant details. What do you guys think of him? I'm undecided at this time.

On one he says the moon rang like a bell for 3 days. (when they bombed it) On another it is 3 months. This stuff matters- to me it does anyway. And that is just the mainstream stuff so what of his black ops experiences?

I have experienced many syncronicities in my own life and the Bob Lazar story is believed by many including me. It never changes. Not in 23 years!
If you want to think it is BS that is your choice.
Did man go to the moon? I don't know, but the no blast craters is mighty suspicious. So is alot of things about it besides that.

I do admire John because I am a keen aviator and airplane nut and anything else that flys nut- UFOs included.
I knew 911 was crap the fisrt time I saw it on telly as the tail let alone the wings which are designed to shear off so that all that fuel can be thrown clear to give survivors a chance never happened.

Once you can see 911 is BS you ask what else. Let's look at the man on the moon and on it goes. A very deep rabbit hole. What aren't they lying about?
It really is a war- for your mind! Mr Jones is bang on.

Right now I'm looking into Miles Johnstons scuttlers- also a big fan of anyone like him,John, Kerry and all the disclosure project witnesses who have the guts to say what they do. Add a huge list of names to that too. especially those no longer with us here at this time on planet earth.

I myself have not been believed when I tell some of my own experiences, which are nothing compared to these but the point is this.

I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it. It matters not to me.

I am comfortable in my own skin. I have seen my own 3rd eye and heart chakra in a mirror one day for a whole 5 or 6 seconds. Long enough to walk up and say wow!

I'd always thought that was just a concept, an idea. Now I know otherwise.
The 3rd eye was exactly like my other 2 except slightly larger. I know there are other dimensions or frequencies, that is beyond belief. it is my knowledge. And they are literally right in front of our noses. Others who have not experienced that can take it or leave it. it matters not to me!

I actually thought you charles might have told us why you are in Bangkok. the Orient is an interesting place. I like learning new things every day.

William Cooper may well have UFO disease just like John said but he was also called the most dangerous man in America by Bill Clinton himself! And if you follow Daniel Hopsickers work-which I do you know Mr Clinton is no saint!

I like to look at who is saying what and then who is NOT sueing who. especially in the most litigeous society in the world. you'd think it'd be lawsuits and retractions galore!
But if what you are saying is true and you can prove it or think you can in a court of law then you can say what you like.

Cooper was shot in cold blood by Erath county cops posing as trouble makers!(posing???)
Ruby ridge all over. You know you are over the target when you are getting flak. It does look liker Johns getting flak. Everything is a 2 edged sword so you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I often don't elaborate too much and may cause confusion in my posts. If so just ask me to clarify. It's just that I post here alot recently and must be mindful that it is Johns thread and not mine to hijack.

All my posts are spontaneous off the top of my head going on memory alone. I do no research before I post so may get details askew.

Remember, this thread is what john believes. Nothimg else. he is not telling anyone what to do or think only what he thinks.

It's not for everyone. If it gets your blood pressure up too much, please don't visit here. None of us want to see anyone hurt or unhappy because of our posts.

Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention. eg....Like go to this spot on Wednesday nights!

Lastly, DD doesn't or didn't spend much time at all on Roswell in the vids I've seen (months ago). My opinion is he's not very interested in it, let alone trying to disinfo us. He just said, isn't it a shame that alot of people think it was aliens.

His bag is more about the lies and deceipt of the higher ups that make the decisions. I'll paraphrase Kennedy. I choose to believe John because it is hard, not because it is easy. I believe before the decade is out enough of humanity will grow the balls enough to see they've been scammed.

We will print our own treasury dollars etc.... bang. We all know it was not Oswald.

look, we are not (F word) stupid. I for one regularly go to charity quizz evenings and do very well thank you very much. I am not some whacked out nut. We can see for ourselves and think for ourselves what is possible and what makes sense. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

I'll gladly take part in any skype debate with anyone. you had better know your stuff because you are going to be asked alot of very awkward questions. People start wriggling when I ask questions. And nobody in 23 years has debunked Bob Lazar. I put my house on it. So there.

He only built his own cyclotron in his back yard! Not a real scientist! You can't smuggle anything out of S4. Correct Dab Burisch, He got his 115 from contacts he has at Los Alamos where the maching into cones was done.

I'm not in my school year book either. So freaking what! Sorry, I'm rambling now!
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Hey Charles
Why don't you make up your own mind about what you wish to believe? Is it John Lears task, or DD for that matter, to clear your mind? Who ever wins the fight is who you pledge your allegiance too? You will never know the truth. You are only allowed your own truth. So who's is it going to be? Your own or someone elses? If you can't make up your own mind, why get upset with people who can and do?
 Quoting: PhoenixAZ


You can only come to know the truth from within. You're not going to read it on the internet.
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Hey PhoenixAZ

Which part of you is most confused? The one that forgot this is a public forum or the one that is colossally confused I'm looking for a leader?

That's your reflection you're looking at in the mirror. Please don't project it on to me.

It's not a fight. I'm engaging in dialogue. It's nuanced and non binary.
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@Charles.

I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it. It matters not to me.


Cooper was shot in cold blood by Erath county cops posing as trouble makers!(posing???)

Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention. eg....Like go to this spot on Wednesday nights!

Sorry, I'm rambling now!
 Quoting: HaveBlue


@HaveBlue

You write.

"I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it"

and then you write

"Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention."

No need to explain to me, I'm more interested in the following:

Bill Cooper saw a UFO on a Navy Ship. He later changed his mind. I want to know why. Robert Morning Star wrote a eulogy about Bill and candidly explained Cooper was a bit of an arse hole. That doesn't mean he lied.

[link to www.ufodigest.com]

As I stated earlier the military and CIA are going through a rough patch and the CFR official organ has repeated that view. Good timing for me.

[link to www.foreignaffairs.com]
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Are you saying just because you don't lie, cheat and steal it directly than it is all okay. The fact that the money you got to pay for your home came from a company that for example, stole the resources and forced people from their homes, so long as you were not directly involved then you are living with integrity?
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I am not on the jury so I really don't know how they will look at this. But whoever this person is will find out right after he croaks.


My point was that taxes etc are used to help prop up oppresive regimes, bomb people, and so on. So in effect you are funding this through payment of taxes. Seems to me if one was living their life with integrity not paying your taxes and taking the consequences would show integrity.

John is integrity to you doing the best you can within the system.? if so, it sounds so fungible and loose that it make its meaningless.

If a reporter on TV spouts non stop BS is that reporter living with integrity. What about all the people who work in one capacity or another to make it possible for that reporter to go on TV and lie for living?

just one example but there are millions
 Quoting: anon2121416 15962940



There are billions and billions of those kinds of situations.

What I can tell you is that thousands and thousands of people make it every day so it can't be that hard to make a decision.

I'll probably know a little more about it when I get back to earth but right now I don't have any answers for you.


If you are still around when I get back to earth I will let you know what I found out.

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Thanks John seems nobody knows for sure exactly how one is meant to live and what is used as the tool to measure that to say yes this soul is maturing and this one is not.

As we have not heard anything concrete from these soul that did "mature" and have come back to guide us all we have and all we have always had are words that sound great but mean little or could mean multiple things.

Why do you think politicians use slogans such as "hope and change" because on the surface they sound great, open to multiple interpretations, yet almost impossible to define in practice.
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You are probably correct that John is disinfo or he's just been intentionally misled. I think William Cooper had it right when he realized that the whole ufo/alien thing was a massive psyop. That people were shown classified ufo material, so they would leak it to the public. They needed to plant that seed in case they wanted to have a never ending unwinable war against an alien race. It's probably next after they have exhausted the B.S. war on terror. It's unfortunate that the only way to tell if someone is credible is if they get murdered by the government.
 Quoting: charlesfrith


Great comment.

I'm not saying John is disinformation but the Bob Lazar chance meeting is a little odd and the core Sleeper (cell) message of apathy, non intervention, deity superiority and amoral inaction is old school religion to a T.

Diinfo love that narrative as it encourages people to ignore what the great theft going on by elites rifling the peoples pockets.

William Cooper changed view and I don't know how he then rejected the time he observed a UFO in the Navy. Odd story unless you know a little more than I've learned.

Here is DD's latest interview. He names names including Stan Friedman's role as a paid disinformation agent.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Charlesfrith, You are wrong about everything above.

ETs created and run every aspect of earth accept ones individual soul and its freedom to act anyway it so chooses. Why is that so hard for humans to accept?

Ets are not apathetic, they simply are doing there job in
creating this illusion as a testing ground for our soul maturation.

ET tech and understanding is billions of years ahead of what we think about. It was and will be the design for planets at the level of Earth. They were here before us and will clean up the mess and start a new first-grade classroom when our group graduates.
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Charles,
My point is that everyone on this public forum is stating their opinion and beliefs. There is no proof. No one can offer proof only thier experiences; and if someone could offer proof would we belive it? I am not saying we can not, or should not use our rational mind to make sense of our beliefs and opinions, but arguing or trying to disprove anothers beliefs is not, in my opinion, going to get you closer to the truth. If a piece of information resonates then we challange it within ourselves and come to our own conclusions. If there is no proof of the kind of experiences and beliefs that are spoken about on this thread, then how are we to deny they are real? I just don't see how anyone can claim they have the ultimate grasp of truth, or that this person or that has all the inside knowledge of truth.
To many of us on John Lears thread we have been following his thoughts for a long time and have come to respect and understand where he is comming from. Do we blindly follow him and everything he says? Quite the opposit.
Debate to understand is one thing, and debate to prove yourself right is another.
Just my thoughts.
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Charles,
My point is that everyone on this public forum is stating their opinion and beliefs.
Just my thoughts.
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You're not paying attention. I've specifically asked twice why Bill Cooper stated he saw a UFO in the Navy and later in life changed his mind to believe that the UFO narrative was a psyop on the American people.

If you're really watching closely the questions I've asked John and which are ignored are valuable.

c
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@Charles.

I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it. It matters not to me.


Cooper was shot in cold blood by Erath county cops posing as trouble makers!(posing???)

Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention. eg....Like go to this spot on Wednesday nights!

Sorry, I'm rambling now!
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@HaveBlue

You write.

"I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it"

and then you write

"Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention."

No need to explain to me, I'm more interested in the following:

Bill Cooper saw a UFO on a Navy Ship. He later changed his mind. I want to know why. Robert Morning Star wrote a eulogy about Bill and candidly explained Cooper was a bit of an arse hole. That doesn't mean he lied.

[link to www.ufodigest.com]

As I stated earlier the military and CIA are going through a rough patch and the CFR official organ has repeated that view. Good timing for me.

[link to www.foreignaffairs.com]
 Quoting: charlesfrith



Bill Cooper WAS a drunken arsehole that stole research and presented from the stage as his own; he changed his 'story' of his inside Navy experiences continuously; he made death threats (still on tape to this day, see Don Ecker's website); and beat his wife.

Those of us around back in the late 80s and early 90s when Cooper was 'active' will know what I'm talking about. Yes, he regurgitated exciting stuff - but so much of it was fabricated yet presented as his own testimonial - but it wasn't.

To see this drunken arsehole slob wife-beater has become a hero to the lazy conspiracy newbies of the net - is just shameful.
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My hero still is John Lear. By choice.
I like his disclaimer (could've said it myself):
"I am searching for the truth. I do not claim to know the truth."
and
"My opinions are good only until midnight the day I make them because I may have
found information that contradicts what I think I know today. And I am willing to
change my opinion instantly if I find I am wrong about something or at least I believe I was wrong."

He's not selling dvd's or other stuff with his view of the story either. Does DDD sell it? Guess what... oh yeah, he does!
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@Charles.

I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it. It matters not to me.


Cooper was shot in cold blood by Erath county cops posing as trouble makers!(posing???)

Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention. eg....Like go to this spot on Wednesday nights!

Sorry, I'm rambling now!
 Quoting: HaveBlue


@HaveBlue

You write.

"I say to people, Here is the info. take it or leave it"

and then you write

"Anyone that says 'don't take my word for it, do your own research' well that guy or girl has me paying attention."

No need to explain to me, I'm more interested in the following:

Bill Cooper saw a UFO on a Navy Ship. He later changed his mind. I want to know why. Robert Morning Star wrote a eulogy about Bill and candidly explained Cooper was a bit of an arse hole. That doesn't mean he lied.

[link to www.ufodigest.com]

As I stated earlier the military and CIA are going through a rough patch and the CFR official organ has repeated that view. Good timing for me.

[link to www.foreignaffairs.com]
 Quoting: charlesfrith



Bill Cooper WAS a drunken arsehole that stole research and presented from the stage as his own; he changed his 'story' of his inside Navy experiences continuously; he made death threats (still on tape to this day, see Don Ecker's website); and beat his wife.

Those of us around back in the late 80s and early 90s when Cooper was 'active' will know what I'm talking about. Yes, he regurgitated exciting stuff - but so much of it was fabricated yet presented as his own testimonial - but it wasn't.

To see this drunken arsehole slob wife-beater has become a hero to the lazy conspiracy newbies of the net - is just shameful.
 Quoting: InCogNeatOh


Who cares if he drank and beat his wife. He ws the first to call out the government about 9/11 before it happened. He said months in advance that Bin Laden would be the fall guy for a major attack in the U.S. Then was murdered by the government a month after 9/11. He's credible in my mind. Who cares if he once thought he saw a UFO and then changed his mind. That's all nonsense anyway. I like how you need to attack his character to make him seem less credible. I'm surprised they didn't claim he touched kids.
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You are probably correct that John is disinfo or he's just been intentionally misled. I think William Cooper had it right when he realized that the whole ufo/alien thing was a massive psyop. That people were shown classified ufo material, so they would leak it to the public. They needed to plant that seed in case they wanted to have a never ending unwinable war against an alien race. It's probably next after they have exhausted the B.S. war on terror. It's unfortunate that the only way to tell if someone is credible is if they get murdered by the government.
 Quoting: charlesfrith


Great comment.

I'm not saying John is disinformation but the Bob Lazar chance meeting is a little odd and the core Sleeper (cell) message of apathy, non intervention, deity superiority and amoral inaction is old school religion to a T.

Diinfo love that narrative as it encourages people to ignore what the great theft going on by elites rifling the peoples pockets.

William Cooper changed view and I don't know how he then rejected the time he observed a UFO in the Navy. Odd story unless you know a little more than I've learned.

Here is DD's latest interview. He names names including Stan Friedman's role as a paid disinformation agent.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Totally agree with that. When you drill down and ask him what he means by all we have to do for our souls to mature is live with integrity without greed and envy. When you ask him to explain what this means and how it can work given the world we live in you realize the words are pretty hollow and vague.

His message seems to be take the chip. go to the camps, take the vaccine, don't bother protesting for change etc etc
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Charles,
My point is that everyone on this public forum is stating their opinion and beliefs. There is no proof. No one can offer proof only their experiences; and if someone could offer proof would we believe it? I am not saying we can not, or should not use our rational mind to make sense of our beliefs and opinions, but arguing or trying to disprove anothers beliefs is not, in my opinion, going to get you closer to the truth. If a piece of information resonates then we challenge it within ourselves and come to our own conclusions. If there is no proof of the kind of experiences and beliefs that are spoken about on this thread, then how are we to deny they are real? I just don't see how anyone can claim they have the ultimate grasp of truth, or that this person or that has all the inside knowledge of truth.
To many of us on John Lears thread we have been following his thoughts for a long time and have come to respect and understand where he is coming from. Do we blindly follow him and everything he says? Quite the opposite.
Debate to understand is one thing, and debate to prove yourself right is another.
Just my thoughts.
 Quoting: PhoenixAZ


Phoenix: EXACTLY!

Better to be a seeker, respect others who are seeking also. And as John said: "I am searching for the truth. I do not claim to know the truth."

I've been seeking truth all my life, and trying to enjoy life while I do.
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If there was it was planted or disinfo. There is no possibility that any 'nuke' was involved in 911. Period.
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I think more searching for answers on what sort of bigger bomb was used, needs to be done by those seeking 911 truth.

The pictures look like one or more bombs went off. Size and type, I do not know.

There is an interesting thread about Barometric or A-neutronic bombs on a site that I can't mention here because GLP forbids it. I tried to post a link.

Here's what I think. Our military is 30 years ahead of us. In Secrecy. We learned our lessons from atomic bombs, and even the military realizes we don't want to be blowing up our planet with atomic bombs. They need us! They need us taxpayers paying the bill! You get rid of us, and who will pay for their secret programs? No one.

But do you think that stopped our military from working diligently on types of bombs that will do what they need, that don't leave radioactivity around for years to follow?

The question is, what do they have?
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If there was it was planted or disinfo. There is no possibility that any 'nuke' was involved in 911. Period.
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I think more searching for answers on what sort of bigger bomb was used, needs to be done by those seeking 911 truth.

The pictures look like one or more bombs went off. Size and type, I do not know.

There is an interesting thread about Barometric or A-neutronic bombs on a site that I can't mention here because GLP forbids it. I tried to post a link.

Here's what I think. Our military is 30 years ahead of us. In Secrecy. We learned our lessons from atomic bombs, and even the military realizes we don't want to be blowing up our planet with atomic bombs. They need us! They need us taxpayers paying the bill! You get rid of us, and who will pay for their secret programs? No one.

But do you think that stopped our military from working diligently on types of bombs that will do what they need, that don't leave radioactivity around for years to follow?

The question is, what do they have?
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SteveJ,

Have you read "Where Did The Towers Go?", by Dr. Judy Wood?

Curious.
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Thats all you have to do in this life other than doing things you like to do.
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I've been seeking truth all my life, and trying to enjoy life while I do.


Amen to that Steve.
You might find Judy Wood's book "where did the towers go?" a good read and explains a possible weapon used for the destruction. John has commented on this frquently. As far as advanced military tech I found Andrew Bastiago has an interesting idea. Not sure I believe everything but certainly a mind expanding message!
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Sorry John you beat me to it!!
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SteveJ,

Have you read "Where Did The Towers Go?", by Dr. Judy Wood?

Curious.
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Haven't read the book, but I've pretty thoroughly went through her website and listened to interviews with Judy.

It's hard to believe everything turned to dust just because they fell. I don't buy that. Energy to create the explosions/destruction had to come from somewhere. It's good that Judy is questioning it, and I hope others do too.

If there is some sort of new 'energy weapon', like from space... how would they get the necessary 'material/resources' into space, or high altitude, to be able to "beam" this energy weapon?

There is one news video of the towers where something is coming at it shaped like a ball.. as best you can see. Certainly didn't look like a plane to me. Once source about that video and a theory is here:

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Like most people Bill Cooper got alot right and got alot wrong too. His ego got the better of him and he got UFO disease.

Beyond A Pale Horse is often called A Pale Of Horse****.

As far as reasearch goes, research this place itself.

Like nex-ed I, HB are B- worded. This is actually more important and relevant to our lives than Bill Coopers material.

Whether Cooper or Lear is right or not is not important.
For me it's about free speech and that persons right to say it.

We should be able to speak here freely too. This is NOT the case.
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Criticising Bill Cooper and that generation of researchers, is like criticising grandpa for being mean in the Korean War. Those early dudes had very little tech to find out truth, and did their part, in the early days of the truthtelling, when in 1960 and 1970, it was a new-fangled lie-o-vision reality, passing off milquetoast student protests and a drug war like Vietnam --The elite families have been losing control, and since the age of IP, the old world is over. Thanks to the early gen-1 truth seekers. I was born in 1973 so that's like gen-2, but gen 3 and 4 are going to be serious truth junkies.

Oh but wife beatin is bad. Shame on you Bill, being nice to the ladies makes time pass much better in this hellish place called earth. Give hugs, not slugs.

John, have you read any "patriot" material or ever appeared in traffic court and tried to explain law to people? I am wondering if you feel that the Constitution of the US is able to be amended by the people, or would ET guide that toward bad things as recent amendments like prohibition have done (creating the mob and the FBI) ...Do you think the COTUS will ever be used FOR the people, rather than against them as it has been done since the Civil War? Thanks man, for all you do, just curious about the above.





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