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I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

 
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Similar L10-11 crash in 1972:

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This crash was simply a nose wheel 'down' light failed.

All three of the crew became involved in the attempt to fix it when the autopilot was accidentally disconnected when the captain got out of his seat.

The plane descended from 2000 into the Eveglades with only the first officer in his seat and unaware that the plane was descending until the 200 ft. warning buzzer came on.

He was so surprised he couldn't react in time.

In those days there was no clear, audible autopilot disconnect warning which there is now.

I loved flying the L-1011 even if my Dad did invent the L-1011 autopilot (Lear L-102C) and its logic for 2 separate autopilots, monitoring the approach and landing.

The Lockheed L-1011 with the Lear autopilot was the first airliner to achieve category IIIa (ceiling zero).

All the best.
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John, that's very interesting, and coming from a former L10-11 pilot you really know what you're talking about. I've also read that some L10-11's had a downstairs bar in the hold. Very cool.
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cannot decide which is more breathtaking, the 'logic for 2 separate autopilots,' or the 'I've also read that some L10-11's had a downstairs bar in the hold.'

wow.
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cannot decide which is more breathtaking, the 'logic for 2 separate autopilots,' or the 'I've also read that some L10-11's had a downstairs bar in the hold.'

wow.
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When Lockhed decided to build the L-1011 they went to Lear Siegler and said "We want this airplane certificated to land Category IIIc, how do we design it to meet that standard."

Lear-Sielger told them the first thing was to design DLC (direct lift control) which were spoilers on top of the wing which allowed rate of descent/climb with no change in pitch attitude. This also allowed a go-around without excessive pitch change to meet CAT III.

The second thing was dual autopilots which talked to each other on the approach and compared data/parameters. If there was a disagreement the 'DANA' light (dual autopilot not avilable) came on and CAT IIIc was not authorized.

I can't remember exactly but I think the L-1011 was certificated to IIIb not IIIc. I remember several years ago calling up Ray Fisher (L-1011 rep) at Lear Siegler to get the exact info and I think it was IIIb.

The downstairs bar I think was PSA's design and they only made acouple of them.

All the best.

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bigfoot JL!! bigfoot!

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Don't know about that video, not very convincing but bigfoot is real, lives under ground, has interesting capabilities (don't ask) and is very dangerous.

Do not try to pet one. :)
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Hey John,

Still really enjoying this thread. Appreciate your answers to my other questions.

However, I saw this and have to ask... ;) I grew up in the Pacific NW (Canada, in fact) and bigfoot was always been something that terrified me as a kid. I've since gotten over the fear, but I am fascinated and eagerhear learn more. Anything you can share? Or links/books you think are valid?

Thanks again, all the best.
 Quoting: TheDude99


*cough cough* shameless bump *cough*
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Big Foots are originally from Mars. Why they were put here I do not know.

Mars is a war-like planet similar to ours except they have some really evil/frightening creatures there. Actually Mars is a zoo/prison of all the badasses in our solar system and others.

I don't know of any books and/or links that share this information must there must be some.

Again, if you see one, do not try to pet it. :)

All the best.
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bigfoot JL!! bigfoot!

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403163



Don't know about that video, not very convincing but bigfoot is real, lives under ground, has interesting capabilities (don't ask) and is very dangerous.

Do not try to pet one. :)
 Quoting: johnlear


Hey John,

Still really enjoying this thread. Appreciate your answers to my other questions.

However, I saw this and have to ask... ;) I grew up in the Pacific NW (Canada, in fact) and bigfoot was always been something that terrified me as a kid. I've since gotten over the fear, but I am fascinated and eagerhear learn more. Anything you can share? Or links/books you think are valid?

Thanks again, all the best.
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Big Foots are originally from Mars. Why they were put here I do not know.

Mars is a war-like planet similar to ours except they have some really evil/frightening creatures there. Actually Mars is a zoo/prison of all the badasses in our solar system and others.

I don't know of any books and/or links that share this information must there must be some.

Again, if you see one, do not try to pet it. :)

All the best.
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"Let him have it, it's not wise to upset a Sasquatch"

-- Some other hot shit pilot far away long ago
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NUFORC report from March 1973

Red Light Appears to Go Right Through Cockpit


I was on a Military helicopter flight returning from a round trip from Ft Rucker, Alabama to Montgomery, Alabama and back. I was attending the Air Traffic Controller, school at Ft Rucker and it was my birthday so I went for a requested a jump seat ride on a Huey.

As we approached Ft Rucker near dusk (approximately ten miles out), the tower asked us to turn on our landing light so they could verify our position. This was done and the tower reported seeing our landing light and proceeding to give us altimeter and wind direction. Skies clear.

Suddenly, cockpit covered in clouds and through the clouds a faint red light (blinking) about the size of an orange was approaching the craft. The light as it approached became brighter and more distinct. It broke out of the clouds and came directly at the cockpit.

The pilots dove the helicopter down and to the left. Pilot and copilot called tower to ask if any traffic was in our area and they said no.

All of us, Pilot, Copilot and myself thought we were going to collide with something. Pilot and Copilot both said they over the helmet mikes that they thought what the had encountered was a UFO.

AS I was further back in the Huey, it appeared to me as if the light went right through the cockpit.

I was Distinguished Graduate of the Air Traffic Control School and have seen many aircraft in my days but never anything as unusual as this.
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Thanks for the story/input Archon.

As you probably already know a lot more took place than you are consciously aware of and probably lasted an hour or so. (not in our concept of time).

You and the crew are destined for something interesting but I have no idea what.

Enjoy you life and don't 'wait' for something to happen. It will happen all too soon. But let us know.

All the best to you and your family.
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cannot decide which is more breathtaking, the 'logic for 2 separate autopilots,' or the 'I've also read that some L10-11's had a downstairs bar in the hold.'

wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1327743


When Lockhed decided to build the L-1011 they went to Lear Siegler and said "We want this airplane certificated to land Category IIIc, how do we design it to meet that standard."

Lear-Sielger told them the first thing was to design DLC (direct lift control) which were spoilers on top of the wing which allowed rate of descent/climb with no change in pitch attitude. This also allowed a go-around without excessive pitch change to meet CAT III.

The second thing was dual autopilots which talked to each other on the approach and compared data/parameters. If there was a disagreement the 'DANA' light (dual autopilot not avilable) came on and CAT IIIc was not authorized.

I can't remember exactly but I think the L-1011 was certificated to IIIb not IIIc. I remember several years ago calling up Ray Fisher (L-1011 rep) at Lear Siegler to get the exact info and I think it was IIIb.

The downstairs bar I think was PSA's design and they only made acouple of them.

All the best.
 Quoting: johnlear


By the way, the Lear Siegler autoland was certificated by the FAA in I think 1972. TWA used it regularly but did not tell the passengers for obvious reasons.

Here is how it worked:

Just before the OM you put A/P 1 and 2 up to ON. Set final flaps (gear already down). One hand on the yoke, one on the throttles. The autopilots crosstalk all the way down. The airplane automatically flares, touches down and follows the centerline of the runway while the pilots only duty is to pull into reverse and apply the brakes. When the airplane comes to a stop the autopilot is disconnected and the pilot waits for a follow-me car to lead them into the gate as the fog may be so dense as to obscure the centerline in front of the aircraft.

I really enjoyed doing this in actual when I was checking out a new captain. When the airplane would come to a stop they were wide-eyed and all they could say is WOW!
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John, was the crash of Delta 191 avoidable?:

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shameless bump...rolleyes

John, you may be interested in the following investigative piece on Aussie TV covering the recent Qantas A380 uncontained engine failure incident (piece starts at the 2 minute mark):



Do you think Qantas is being a little economical with the truth regarding how serious this incident was? Was the fact that there were so many senior pilots in the cockpit a help or a hinderance?

Thanks.
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Air France Crash Blamed on Pilot Error

It appears that, while primary cockpit displays maintained normal function, the crew didn't follow protocol to maintain or increase the thrust that would have kept the plane's nose level.

This was because they had trouble sorting out the warnings while also keeping track of essential aircraft functions of engine power and trajectory.
[link to news.travel.aol.com]

Pure unadulterated nonsense.

Air France and Airbus are blaming the crew to save themselves the embarrassment of short comings in aircraft design.

Let's look at the evidence:

Most passengers were found in the 'brace' position which means that the captain had the time to plan and attempt a night water ditch. Whatever was wrong with the airplane the captain decided his only option was to ditch.

Just before he thought they were going to hit the water he gave the command to the passengers 'Brace! Brace! Brace!' (or the Air France equivalent.)

If I thought the captain and/or crew was at fault I would tell you so. But in the case of Air France 447 it is clearly an aircraft design error.

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Air France Crash Blamed on Pilot Error

It appears that, while primary cockpit displays maintained normal function, the crew didn't follow protocol to maintain or increase the thrust that would have kept the plane's nose level.

This was because they had trouble sorting out the warnings while also keeping track of essential aircraft functions of engine power and trajectory.
[link to news.travel.aol.com]

Pure unadulterated nonsense.

Air France and Airbus are blaming the crew to save themselves the embarrassment of short comings in aircraft design.

Let's look at the evidence:

Most passengers were found in the 'brace' position which means that the captain had the time to plan and attempt a night water ditch. Whatever was wrong with the airplane the captain decided his only option was to ditch.

Just before he thought they were going to hit the water he gave the command to the passengers 'Brace! Brace! Brace!' (or the Air France equivalent.)

If I thought the captain and/or crew was at fault I would tell you so. But in the case of Air France 447 it is clearly an aircraft design error.
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John, what you're saying is dynamite and makes a mockery of the French investigation. They always blame the poor pilot. Thank you for your analysis.

And I'm still trying to get my head around your comments about pilot suicides.
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Air France Crash Blamed on Pilot Error

It appears that, while primary cockpit displays maintained normal function, the crew didn't follow protocol to maintain or increase the thrust that would have kept the plane's nose level.

This was because they had trouble sorting out the warnings while also keeping track of essential aircraft functions of engine power and trajectory.
[link to news.travel.aol.com]

Pure unadulterated nonsense.

Air France and Airbus are blaming the crew to save themselves the embarrassment of short comings in aircraft design.

Let's look at the evidence:

Most passengers were found in the 'brace' position which means that the captain had the time to plan and attempt a night water ditch. Whatever was wrong with the airplane the captain decided his only option was to ditch.

Just before he thought they were going to hit the water he gave the command to the passengers 'Brace! Brace! Brace!' (or the Air France equivalent.)

If I thought the captain and/or crew was at fault I would tell you so. But in the case of Air France 447 it is clearly an aircraft design error.
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Must of been horrific.
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John, was the crash of Delta 191 avoidable?:


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Delta 191 was avoidable.

If you make the decision to make an approach in an active thunderstorm area you have to be acutely aware of microbursts.

At the first instant of higher than normal rate of descent/climb its:

TOGA/MAX POWER/FLAPS 15!!!!!

AND KEEP THAT AIRPLANE INSIDE AND UP AGAINST THE ORANGE V BAR NO MATTER WHAT. The computer will take into consideration your rate of descent, angle of attack and airspeed. Believe it!!!!

The Capt. F/U by letting the F/O fly the TDX approach. The F/O F/U by diving toward the runway.

By the time they both realized what was happening it was too late. But they might have saved it by instant:

TOGA/Max power.

I am not second guessing. I am telling you the facts. Been there...done that.

All the best.
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Don't know about that video, not very convincing but bigfoot is real, lives under ground, has interesting capabilities (don't ask) and is very dangerous.

Do not try to pet one. :)
 Quoting: johnlear


Hey John,

Still really enjoying this thread. Appreciate your answers to my other questions.

However, I saw this and have to ask... ;) I grew up in the Pacific NW (Canada, in fact) and bigfoot was always been something that terrified me as a kid. I've since gotten over the fear, but I am fascinated and eagerhear learn more. Anything you can share? Or links/books you think are valid?

Thanks again, all the best.
 Quoting: TheDude99


*cough cough* shameless bump *cough*
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Big Foots are originally from Mars. Why they were put here I do not know.

Mars is a war-like planet similar to ours except they have some really evil/frightening creatures there. Actually Mars is a zoo/prison of all the badasses in our solar system and others.

I don't know of any books and/or links that share this information must there must be some.

Again, if you see one, do not try to pet it. :)

All the best.
 Quoting: johnlear


Thanks, John. Amazing.

What are some of its "interesting capabilities" you mention them having and said not to ask about? ;)
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Big Foots are originally from Mars. Why they were put here I do not know.

Mars is a war-like planet similar to ours except they have some really evil/frightening creatures there. Actually Mars is a zoo/prison of all the badasses in our solar system and others.

I don't know of any books and/or links that share this information must there must be some.

All the best.
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A very sick man AND/OR a prankster
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cannot decide which is more breathtaking, the 'logic for 2 separate autopilots,' or the 'I've also read that some L10-11's had a downstairs bar in the hold.'

wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1327743


When Lockhed decided to build the L-1011 they went to Lear Siegler and said "We want this airplane certificated to land Category IIIc, how do we design it to meet that standard."

Lear-Sielger told them the first thing was to design DLC (direct lift control) which were spoilers on top of the wing which allowed rate of descent/climb with no change in pitch attitude. This also allowed a go-around without excessive pitch change to meet CAT III.

The second thing was dual autopilots which talked to each other on the approach and compared data/parameters. If there was a disagreement the 'DANA' light (dual autopilot not avilable) came on and CAT IIIc was not authorized.

I can't remember exactly but I think the L-1011 was certificated to IIIb not IIIc. I remember several years ago calling up Ray Fisher (L-1011 rep) at Lear Siegler to get the exact info and I think it was IIIb.

The downstairs bar I think was PSA's design and they only made acouple of them.

All the best.
 Quoting: johnlear


Funny that you should mention the tristar.
An aeroplane well ahead of its time.
A long time friend of mine operating the L1011 just passed away, he was the chief pilot of the Honduras based L1011 ops.
Guess the tristar have passed its golden age, and will be replaced by Boeings.
RIP to my friend and the L1011.

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Hi John, i would like to talk with you about some things i saw at Art Clarkes old house, but not sure about the public Forum.
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John, was the crash of Delta 191 avoidable?:


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Delta 191 was avoidable.

If you make the decision to make an approach in an active thunderstorm area you have to be acutely aware of microbursts.

At the first instant of higher than normal rate of descent/climb its:

TOGA/MAX POWER/FLAPS 15!!!!!

AND KEEP THAT AIRPLANE INSIDE AND UP AGAINST THE ORANGE V BAR NO MATTER WHAT. The computer will take into consideration your rate of descent, angle of attack and airspeed. Believe it!!!!

The Capt. F/U by letting the F/O fly the TDX approach. The F/O F/U by diving toward the runway.

By the time they both realized what was happening it was too late. But they might have saved it by instant:

TOGA/Max power.

I am not second guessing. I am telling you the facts. Been there...done that.

All the best.
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John, once again, dynamite. So much for the micro-burst theory. Amazing stuff.
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is rael the real lear?
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is rael the real lear?
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Dunno what you're asking for, but yeah he is the one and only John Lear
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A very sick man AND/OR a prankster
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Yah Right, you must have serious self esteem issues to talk about yourself in such a negative way. I'm sure therapy would help. 1rof1
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A very sick man AND/OR a prankster
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Yah Right, you must have serious self esteem issues to talk about yourself in such a negative way. I'm sure therapy would help. 1rof1
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I'll take it you never flew the B707, nor the 727, we're gonna have some veterane days flying the DC9 10 (the pocket rocket). If that doesn't help i'm sure we can scramble a few bucks for your therapist.
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shameless bump...rolleyes

John, you may be interested in the following investigative piece on Aussie TV covering the recent Qantas A380 uncontained engine failure incident

Do you think Qantas is being a little economical with the truth regarding how serious this incident was?
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Of course but why bother the public with details?


Was the fact that there were so many senior pilots in the cockpit a help or a hinderance?

Thanks.
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2 Captains in the cockpit is a problem. 3 is a potential disaster.

Whenever I had that situation arise I always clarified before the flight who was to be 'PIC'.
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Hi John, i would like to talk with you about some things i saw at Art Clarkes old house, but not sure about the public Forum.
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[email protected] or I am in the phone book on Hollywood blvd. in Las Vegas.

All the best.
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Mr. Lear have you ever seen a bigfoot?
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Mr. Lear have you ever seen a bigfoot?
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Nope. Never seen a bigfoot.
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Mr. Lear have you ever seen a bigfoot?
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Nope. Never seen a bigfoot.
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How do you know so much about them?
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John, i know that your retired. Gona pick up a B737-800 in the end of august. If ya want some left seat experiance, send me a PM.
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John, hows the gold mine doing? I see ads for lear capital...is that you?

You should try and make some mana(colloidal gold). I would buy some from you, if it was made properly.
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John, i know that your retired. Gona pick up a B737-800 in the end of august. If ya want some left seat experiance, send me a PM.
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Freak,

What a wonderfully gracious offer. I am humbled.

Unfortunately I don't keep my certificates current and my medical status wouldn't even qualify me for a 3rd class.

But in return I invite you to Las Vegas as my guest for an informative chat, if you ever get around this way.

All the best.
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Hmm maybe I can find a ride there, would be nice to meet you again.
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