I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

John, have you considered putting together a "wiki"?

There are online services you can use, also many hosting companies provide wiki software that is easy to install and use.

The reason I ask is because you seem to have a tremendous amount of knowledge and information that many people find valuable. A book may not be the right medium, but a wiki might be, since it is easily updated, easily shared, cross-indexed, and can reference its own sources.

Another reason came from the fact that I find myself struggling to come up with questions of subjects you may know about - then you surprise me with your knowledge of a totally different subject. It is almost a game of knowing what to ask. With a wiki you could put your knowledge of every kind in one place and update/track every one in an easy way.

Anyway, thanks again for your time and sharing your knowledge.


And, to end with some questions, of course:

What is the current status of the Navy's (USA's) relationship with the Greys and any other aliens out there? Are there any other aliens playing a significant role (good or bad) regarding humanity these days?

Have you considered working with any agencies that investigate UFO sightings?

Thanks again, all the best.

Is that a thread on this site or somewhere else? Just curious, it sounds interesting.

Thanks.

And, one more thing, John. Just to play devil's advocate, what are the chances that Bob Lazar was a gov't disinfo agent? Why or why not?

Thanks.

thread...based on the article in Nexus based upon a glp thread! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Let's look at the facts.

I meet Bob in the summer of 1988 just as I am starting to do public speaking.

He claims if there was UFO's he would know about it because he worked at LANL.

I start giving him all my info.

This all would be logical if he were a disinfo agent because they would want to know what I knew and how I knew it. Names, dates etc.

Then Bob decides UFO's might be real, calls Dr. Teller and gets a job at Area 51.

He goes up to Area 51, see and touches a UFO and comes back and tells me they are real because he saw and touched them.

March 21st, 1989 he asks if I want to see one fly.

I said yes and we drive out to the east entry road to Groom Lake and I watch one fly through my 8 inch Celestron telescope. It is clearly a flying saucer.

2 weeks later, on April 6, 1989 we drive up again to Groom Lake but this time we get caught and sent home.

Next day Bob says he was called into security and told he can't work there anymore because Bob's wife is having an affair with his flight instructor and they feel it would be too upsetting for Bob.

1 week later Bob goes on Channel 8 5 o'clock news and tells everything to the public.

2 days later he says the tire was shot out on his car and he goes over to John's house to stay overnight rather than risk going home.

George Knapp gets permission from Channel 8 management to do a 6 part series on Bob and Area 51.

Bob starts doing his photo developing for income.

Bob and Gene Huff decide to make a 45 minute video about S-4 and the saucers and publish a large poster showing the UFO over S-4 taken by the Russians.

George Knapps series draws intense interest of the public.

In November of 1989 Bob and Gene release "The Lazar Tape". Hundreds are sold by Tri-Dot, Bob's company in addition to United Nuclear.

In December of 1989 Bob Bigelow offers to rent space and set up a lab for Bob to apply the information he learned at S-4 under a corporation called Zeta II Reticuli. Several months later Bob and Bob have a falling out and the corporation is dissolved.

Between 1990 and 2001 Bob develops photos, runs Desert Blast and uses his highly advanced computer, the second most powerful in Nevada to testify in medical lawsuits.

In 2001 Bob moves to Sandia Park in Albuquerque and sets up United Nuclear to sell scientific equipment.

In 2010 Bob moves United Nuclear from Sandia Park to Laingsburg, Michigan and is one of the largest scientific supply companies in the U.S.

So if Bob was a disinformation agent what was the disinformation? That UFO's were real? That S-4 existed? Was it to discredit his friend John Lear?


Thoughts?

Last Edited by johnlear on 07/23/2011 10:28 AM

John...not to be a pest but I am very curious on your thouhgts on the Nexus article and the thread you commented on from GLP?

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Chani Project and the Rubicon Groups seed planting...

Thanks for sharing all this. Pretty clear to me that he isn't, but I was curious and had to ask. Saw that show Inside Area 51 last night and it made me think of you guys.

I posted on a site and spoke about the various space stations and the lies of NASA and the Space shuttle and got this response

"If the Shuttle was making stops at all these orbiting platforms their missions would last well over 30 days per mission. The preparation alone for a single mission like that would take years to work out and train for. It would be easier and a lot safer to send up an unmanned craft to re-supply each platform.

Whenever the Space Shuttle went up you could watch the missions live on the NASA site or if you have a Satellite Dish for tv, NASA has their own channel on a few different Dish networks, you could watch around the clock 24 hour Shuttle mission coverage on NASA tv. It would be hard for them to sneak off on a secret dark mission to re-supply something other than ISS. Plus people with HAM radios were always listening in to the missions. I don't think they would use the Space Shuttle program to re-supply secret platforms with so many eyes and ears on each mission.

The Shuttle cant just deorbit and come straight down to earth, it would either burn up or break apart traveling at over 17,000mph."

What proof could I give to back up the fact that what he said is bogus. It's not so much that I want to be correct, I would just like to give him something. Thanks for the help if possible...

Sounds like Jim Oberg or maybe Jay Utah, both certificated NAZA disinformation artists. Their job is to make you believe the NAZA lies citing easily disproven 'facts' such as the 24/7 monitoring allegedly shown by NAZA.


Jim is the one who assures that the photo below of NASA's pop-stab dethermilizer spacecraft (taken by SDS-88 in 1989).

Pop-stab dethermalizers are the same concept that Rutan uses in Spaceship 2 and allows for a much slow re-entry speed. The concept has been improved and is now in daily use probably at the 'new' Area 51 about 35 miles south of Wendover on the east side of the Kingsley Range.




[link to imageshack.us]


Jim wants you to believe that this is a piece of insulation that the astronauts let escape from the cargo bay.

Sure Jim, sure...yeah...now that I look at it it does look like an insulation blanket, all spread out and neatly tucked in at the corners. One of them astrynots must've been a marine, say what!!!

Interesting video BHD. He made a comment that was intriguing, he said EG&G owned the airplanes (Boeing 737's) that took the workers to to the various bases (the planes are bailed from Hill Air Force Base). Then he mentions Tonopah, Papoose and Groom.

I never heard anyboy mention tha there was an airport at Papoose Lake. Lazar went in a bus from Groom to Papoose. So I wonder what the deal is?

Here is a map of the Nevada Test Site. Toonopah is on the north-west part of NTS. The blue lines are the high speed underground trains that run from Vegas to the various installations.


[link to imageshack.us]

Did you ever get high with Snoop dog while flying a 747?

I used to get into debates with Jim Oberg over at ATS. This man was an out and out NASA disinfo jerk. What he would at first do when he jumped into a debate is start brow beating everyone with his NASA credentials and experience.

Now if this didn't intimidate some people (and it did) off of the debate then he would start obfuscating. And boy could that guy obfuscate. But if you were like me and would role with him and point out his inconsistencies then his next tactic would be to start ignoring you in an attempt to diminish your stance. Kind of like the old "You're crazy so I don't need to respond to you anymore" method.

I used to expose his methods and point out the glaring questions that he could not answer as quickly as possible before the ATS Moderators would jump in to try and save him.

What became evident to me and others during the course of his attempts to make everything out their in space appear mundane, was that once you broke through his facade of "I'm from NASA and I'm smarter than you", he would quickly clam up and shut down and attempt to move on to easier prey. Anyone, as long as he felt that he could intimidate them off the thread. Barring this, he would evade once his own pathetic excuses were exposed as being just that.

When this man's life is over and his life review takes place. He will finally realize that the only person that he ever fooled was himself and what a smuck he made out of himself in the process.

Hope this tidbit of information in regards to my experience helps the reader and Mr. Lear somewhat to keeping this guy in his proper perspective. In other words, never let this sheep in wolves clothing give you a moments pause.

Last Edited by WarEqualsMurder on 07/25/2011 09:20 AM

more on the moon: [link to www.moonconnection.com]
this might help you ttown_okie


You may have heard references made to the "dark side" of the Moon. This popular, although somewhat inaccurate term refers to the fact that only one face of the Moon, the "near side", is visible to us. The dark side or far side is permanently rotated away from our planet.

Why is this the case? We all know that the Earth rotates on its own axis, so theoretically, the Moon should also do the same, allowing us to get a full picture of the planetoid. Why are we limited to seeing only 50 percent? It turns out that the speed at which the Moon rotates has lead to this particular phenomenon. Millions of years ago, the Moon spun at a much faster pace than it does now. However, the gravitational influence of the Earth has gradually acted upon the Moon to slow its rotation down, in the same way that the much smaller gravitational influence of the Moon acts upon the Earth to create tides. This influence slowed the rotational period of the Moon to match that of its orbit – about 29.5 days – and it is now "locked in" to this period.

If the Moon didn't spin at all, then eventually it would show its far side to the Earth while moving around our planet in orbit. However, since the rotational period is exactly the same as the orbital period, the same portion of the Moon's sphere is always facing the Earth.

Another interesting fact is that actually a little bit more than half of the Moon's surface is observable from Earth. Since the Moon's orbit is elliptical, and not circular, the speed of its orbital travel increases and decreases depending on how close it is to our planet. The rotational speed of the Moon is constant however – and this difference between orbital speed and rotational speed means that when the Moon is farthest from the Earth, its orbital speed slows down just enough to allow its rotational speed to overtake it, giving observers a small glimpse of the usually hidden area. The term for this "rocking" motion of the Moon is called libration and it allows for 59 percent of the Moon to be seen in total (over time).

Finally, the reason that the far side of the Moon is frequently referred to as the "dark side" is because many people mistakenly think that it never sees any light from the sun. This notion results from a misinterpretation of the fact that it is never illuminated so that it can be observed from Earth. In fact, since the Moon is constantly rotating on its own axis, there is no area of the planetoid which is in permanent darkness, and the far side of the Moon is only completely devoid of sunlight during a Full Moon – when the Sun is facing the Moon with the Earth in between.

Last Edited by hoss58 on 07/25/2011 01:06 PM

Hi John,
I'm not asking a question; I would just like to publicly show you a thread here. It's about the story of a team of people who discovered that the NSA can take information from the future. It is told that the NSA uses a satellite system and an sufficient understanding of concepts in physics to do so.

"NASA and the link between Joe Stack and John Bedell"
Thread: NASA and the link between Joe Stack and John Bedell

hi Dennis
that is interesting,, but time travel into the future?
?farfetched, but then again..
.....:)

John Titor Anyone? I always was facinated by time travel.

Hi John, I live in San Francisco, I would like to try remote viewing for myself but I don't know where I could join a class. Any recommendations? Thanks by the way for any info

what do you know about the story of Walt Disney John, and the supposed underground tunnels. are there secret bases down there?

My opinion on the Chani Project is that it is a government
scam to 'test the waters' on the U.S. and allies destruction of the moon.

However far out that may sound you have to remember that the
PTB have been planning for over 60 years to get rid of the grays.

To them it makes perfect sense that to get rid of the grays moon base would help them get rid of the grays.

To those who doubt that 'they' are still planning to get rid of the grays remember that I claim that Bob told me of a memo he had seen at S-4 (in 1989) allegedly sent to the owners of the grays saying 'either you help us get rid of the grays or nobody will have earth.

And I say 'I claim' in fairness to Bob who says he cannot remember saying that to me. But he said it.

We certainly have the capability of blowing up the moon using part of the 500 pounds of Element 115 that the grays gave us.

Now to those who think the top echelon of the PTB could not possibly keep a secret from the grays you are correct. They are morons.

Will they ever be able to blow up the moon? Not a chance.

Those little firecrackers they already sent (if sent) may just be practice.

Remember that there are a billion times a billion earths in similar development to ours and the grays have seen and dealt with this kind of moron mentality hundreds of thousands of times.

Also remember that not all military higher ups are morons. Just the ones that planned this 'eliminate the grays' campaign. The smarter ones, in order to keep their jobs, have to 'follow orders'.

The Chani message was very clever but just sheer nonsense.

me see ulater.

The service tunnels are the only ones I know anything about under the Disney projects. And the service tunnels just permit employees to travel, and foodstuffs to be delivered anywhere in a short time.

If you have the bucks contact Angela Smith and take the 5 day course.


[link to www.remoteviewed.com]

If you are on a budget you can take a home study course but not from Ed Dames. (just an opinion of course)

There is no substitute for a 5 day class. A weekender will just not do it.

Once you get into it you will have a lot of fun.

Unlikely. The 'future' is not written in stone but is simply a 'most likely' or 'most probable' series of possibilities.

Sports scores, the lottery etc. cannot be depended on.

Time travel is possible. Going into the future is merely an excercise in creating a very strong gravitational force.

Going back is far more complicated but can be done.

Can you go back in time and kill your father?

Yes, but that starts a complete different time line and you, of course, will will be here.

Never flew either.

The highest I ever flew was 51,000 ft. in a Learjet.

Thanks Dude. Something to think about.





My opinion is that they are still out to eliminate them.





The major payers are the good ones and the bad ones. The good ones want to see technology released quicker. The'bad' ones don't want any tech released except for purposes of war.





I was MUFON State Director for Nevada until I found out they only wanted to hear was what they wanted to hear. And what they wanted to hear were stories about UFO's but not to consider the possibility that there might be somebody inside.

My current interests in UFO's,moon, space, meaning of life, etc. are too far out for anybody to be interested in except for a handfull of fellow UFO nuts on this thread.





And all the best to you Dude.

So chani is a huge psy op....iyop....

yea could be....

have u seen a Grey?

My middle daughter at the age of 7 asked me why Aliens looked like humans...that is white/blue eyed....sort of set me into a big wtf moment.

I believe that this Universe is chalk full of life as it reflects the nature of our creator..God..or Higher Power or the force...lol

I believe the very nature of God can be observed in nature...as we can see both the severity and grace in nature.

The question that i have is where did the ideas..that is the Greek/Jewish ideas of love and compasion arise from...
not the American type of love which is a mixture of phileo and eros

Phileo...to love
to approve of
to like
sanction
to treat affectionately or kindly, to welcome, befriend
to show signs of love
to kiss
to be fond of doing
be wont, use to do


Eros
Eros (Ancient Greek: Ἔρως, "Intimate Love"; UK: /ˈɪərɒs/, US: /ˈerɑːs/), in Greek mythology, was the primordial god of sexual love and beauty.

BUT the idea of Agape.....as demonstrated in the ideas related to mankind by the Apostle Paul and of course the life of Mary. Jesus and Joeseph.

If you study the Gospel u will soon discover how counter culture the gospel was...and still is although its power has been deactivated by the customs and culture of men.

Even if u believe it is a fairy tale on line with "Bagdad Bob" one is still struck with the powerr of its ideas..namely Agape...

Agape

Agape ( /ˈæɡəpiː/[1] or /əˈɡɑːpeɪ/; Classical Greek: ἀγάπη, agápē; Modern Greek: αγάπη [aˈɣapi]) is one of the Greek words translated into English as love, one which became particularly appropriated in American Christian theology as the love of God or Christ for mankind. Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love. Although the word does not have specific religious connotation, the word has been used by a variety of contemporary and ancient sources, including Biblical authors and Christian authors. Thomas Jay Oord has defined agape as "an intentional response to promote well-being when responding to that which has generated ill-being.

The power of turning the other cheek as shown by Daniel in the court of Babylon or by Hosea and his wayward wife is seldom practiced idea in this world.

To sum up....the introduction of these ideas into the "culture" of mankind I find facinating.

note...cult...ture....is the idea of a cult..or a boxed in idea confined in a people group...for example Nascar and NFl are ideas brought into the American Cult of Belief.

Queen and Country are part of the English CULT...Mary and Jesus part of the Western Society CULT although its origin is Middle East....etc etc

So to sum up the idea of Agape is very extra-ordinary when looking at cult-tures...returning good for evil...and brought into Western society via Paul the Apostle.

Your buddy Phil practiced this idea before he died.

John, I still can't see the time-travel aspect:(
must have something to do with the 3d prison planet:(

John whats your take on the Alien interview?

Thank you so much! oh by the way John, know anything about the arc of the covenant. I saw on the history channel a while back that it was being guarded in ethiopia by priests with the sole duty in life. is this true?

Thanks again