I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

Sleeper invented his Roswell narrative. Ex military disinfo sold by ex CIA service guy? sniff sniff. checks product.

John and Sleeper make a good team.

Just like Bob Lazar.

Another coincidental meeting....

c.

It's a team I'd like to be on. Like that other guy who said 'wow oh wow'

Who also said this:

Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.
-- Steve Jobs, US computer engineer & industrialist (1955 - 2011)

He must be talking about the team we speak of.

There is no product BTW. Apart from the Official John Lear Tin Foil Hat of course of which I'm still saving up for \m/

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John will you post that military catalog with all the items the military would like by the year 2025?

[link to csat.au.af.mil]

hey JL..

does kerry have nice titties?? they look pretty good to me..



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So I would love to hear you thoughts on how one lives with integrity and still within the system. .

For starters you don't lie, cheat and steal. And for another you have to give your neighbor your best tomatoes. Don't keep them for yourself.



John every day people are doing just what you said you should not be doing Let me give an example say I work at an oil company as a low level bookkeeper. Now this oil company has been in cohorts putting corrupt regimes in power in X country, so they can steal the oil resources at rock bottom prices. Thus the people of X country are being robbed and raped and suffering as a result. Now I might only be a bookkeeper, but indirectly my job/role is necessary in providing the overall structure that allows this robbing and raping to go on. You could use this example and apply it to multiple corporations and in some way or another most of us have therefor had our integrity compromised. You don’t have to pull the trigger so to speak to be involved in the crime.. Same goes with paying taxes. We might not directly be dropping bombs on people in X place, but we are sure helping to pay for it.

So unless you were to step out of the system, which for most is impossible to do it is virtually impossible to live with integrity as every day in some way it is compromised. And given a sandwich to a homeless person, or telling someone you love them does not change that.

So tell me how you people her can be living with integrity. Are you saying just because you don't lie, cheat and steal it directly than it is all okay. The fact that the money you got to pay for your home came from a company that for example, stole the resources and forced people from their homes, so long as you were not directly involved then you are living with integrity?

Try not paying your taxes and see what happens to you? .

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You go to jail. Whats your point?

My point was that taxes etc are used to help prop up oppresive regimes, bomb people, and so on. So in effect you are funding this through payment of taxes. Seems to me if one was living their life with integrity not paying your taxes and taking the consequences would show integrity.

John is integrity to you doing the best you can within the system.? if so, it sounds so fungible and loose that it make its meaningless.

If a reporter on TV spouts non stop BS is that reporter living with integrity. What about all the people who work in one capacity or another to make it possible for that reporter to go on TV and lie for living?

just one example but there are millions







































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That's the sort of thing that Miggs would say.

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"not any more..."

I totally disagree with you. Lou Baldins material is credible. I think you need to do your homework and read his work thoroughly. From what you wrote, I believe it will take you less time than most to get the gyst of his messages.

I am not on the jury so I really don't know how they will look at this. But whoever this person is will find out right after he croaks.





There are billions and billions of those kinds of situations.

What I can tell you is that thousands and thousands of people make it every day so it can't be that hard to make a decision.

I'll probably know a little more about it when I get back to earth but right now I don't have any answers for you.


If you are still around when I get back to earth I will let you know what I found out.

Hi John, I keep an open mind about 9/11 theories. I did listen to the Dr. Judy Wood interview when it initially aired. I had also listened to what you communicated on C2C. One element I need help understanding from your perspective is the notion of the sheer number of physical eyes & ears on the ground who were present and looking up at the first burning tower as the 2nd plane struck tower #2. All the home video cameras recording the 2nd impact from various angles and vantage points. How could that have been made to be an illusion for the people who were physically on the scene of the impact sites? Appreciate your feedback regarding this question. To be honest I do not devote too much of my energy into this subject matter but I was wondering that question when I heard your interview so I figured why not engage my curiosity with the opportunity to follow up with you.

In case I was skipped.

Hey John, you ever read and consider the LOOSH 'story' that was revealed to Robert Monroe? (See his book, "Far Journeys")

It basically says that the Earth was terraformed, and then organisms were created in order to see which sort would produce the best quality LOOSH. The final lifeform that was the best LOOSH producer, was what we call 'humans'.

(LOOSH=all/any feelings or emotions)

If true, it would seem that our prime directive is to 'feel', and that it doesn't matter 'what' we feel. Love, hate, fear, happiness - so long as we emit, we fulfill the prime directive for our PHYSICAL existence.

It seems to me, therefore, that any immortal spiritual being could come along and apply to occupy a physical lifeform, for their own various reasons. Sort of like walking along and seeing a new computer MMORPG; or a new fair-ground ride ride; or a new lesson; or a new experience etc.

I like the ideas that Sleeper puts forward about non-physical beings 'putting on' bodies in order to be able to interact with a different frequency/environment/reality. I think it explains a lot of the alien visitors' bodies, motives and I think it parallels just who WE are.

If so, then WE are ALL from elsewhere. Our bodies are no more than meatsacks we have donned in order to have a different experience.

peace

PS: I also have listened to about 12 hours of Douglas Dietrich, and have learned lots of new stuff. Amazing to think the Nazis retreated to under the Antarctic after WWII, and were never dislodged due to their advanced tech.

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hooser talk that makes sense

take off eh

lol

John the thread just keeps getting better and a lot more interresting.

You said to give your best tomatoes to your neighbour...I think some of your best tomatoes are on this thread.

Good job....the more I read the more my world view breaks down as well as my ego.

Wasn't there some reporting of a tritium spike post dated at the WTC site? It is extremely rare in background measuring. It puts the ump! in the knew clear devices.

Thanks AC. As you can see there are a few not willing to 'pull the covers' from over their heads'.
But it sounds like you are on your way. :)

If there was it was planted or disinfo. There is no possibility that any 'nuke' was involved in 911. Period.

Thanks InCogNeatOh. Correct, we are all from somewhere else, maybe from this solar system, maybe from somewhere much further away. Once we graduate from here we will be on our way back home to where ever we came from. Thumbs down on Loosh.


I listened to a couple of hours of Dietrich and he seems to be a Navy disinfo agent. He mixes up the Tonopah Test Range with Area 51. His story about the flag on the Missouri at the end of WW2 is incorrect and his story about a Japanese dirigible/Blimp over Los Angeles in 1942 is impossible.

Japan dropped all Lighter Than Air research and activities in 1936. They did not have the expertise to build anything that big or even a place to build it. Not to mention how do you navigate 5500 miles between Tokyo and Los Angeles without being able to see the sun or stars?.

That's 110 hours flight time just to get there. than about 180 hours to get back. (head winds). Then you are going to need a lot of fuel and food.

But most of all, during the battle of LA in 1942 we fired 2000 rounds of 12 pound high explosive shells which according to witnesses just bounced off the target. They would obviously not bounce off of a balloon. So that story is malarkey.

And Nazi's going to Antarctica after WW2 is old news. Most of them came to the US and after taking over NASA took over many other large US corporations. And secretly allied with Israel control the US.The Antarctica opertion today is huge.

The reason for the 'holocaust myth' is to prevent anybody thinking they, (Nazi/jewish people) would ever be allied.

I think Dietrich is just another Navy disinfo guy trying to steer public knowledge away from alien craft at Roswell.

For instance if that was an alien saucer at LA, then that would have been 5 years before Roswell.

Probably so we can all spend the rest of our lives having fun.




Resources how?





Apparently souls cannot be created perfect 'out of the box'. It takes millions of years.




Nobody, you are on your own to party for the rest of eternity. And that's a very long time.




The oldest species don't oversee the entire universe. The mid level entities do.

But mostly they all just party in those densely packed galactic clusters.

Hi GLP,

I'm looking forward to both John & Douglas having a gentleman's conversation.

I hope John can use the opportunity to refrain from insults like "disinfo" when the same could be said very very easily about him. He is after all a CIA company man to the bone with a lot of coincidences to his story (like meeting and backing Bob Lazar) randomly.

However I'm open minded as I only know it is I who is definitely not disinformation in this instance.

To engage in dialogue with good manners is a mark of integrity.

Let's see if honest debate emerges instead of insults and hasty conclusions.

PS John - Nazis in Antartica is not common Knowledge. Show me one Swastika on ice in the last decade.

Lots of love from Bangkok (even if you are a CIA disinfo agent)

c.

I'd been told years ago that Jap ballons arriving in the USA was how they discovered the jetstream. That is the Japs learnt of it before Americans.

Back then with no jet airliners only ballons got that high altitude.

They travelled the same way Steve Fossit did when he went around the world non stop. Not much fuel is likely required. Who said they didn't launch from a ship 200 miles or so out anyway.

Only purists like us know about Tonapah and area 51. They're both part of the test site aren't they? Eg... the F117 was back and foward between the two all the time. We can't fault DD for that.

DD was a document destroyer and only read so many of them. I don't recall him making copies did he?
If he is going off memory there will be inconsistancies.

It is not HIS data. He is merely reporting what he saw.

CIA charter aircraft like anybody else does. They also hire private contractors like anyone else does.

Don't you think the Nazis would get a new logo after WW2? Or just not have one at all? Yes, Nazis in Antarctica is common knowledge. I've heard of it many times so it must be. Neuschwarben land or something like that.

If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums.

Charles, you may be starting to protesteth a bit too much. You are going to have to prove it! (How do you prove a negative anyway?)
James Jesus Angleton anybody?

Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers. CIA has their own hookers don't they? Honey Traps Inc.

What about UFOs buzzing the whitehouse in 1952? Why didn't they land? They were looking for intelligent life.

The 'Battle of L.A' in 1942 sure is disinfo. Or is that misinfo. Isn't a 'battle' between two sides? I get my disinfo and my misinfo and my UFO and my MOFO all mixed up sometimes.

It was probably the moon they were firing at anyway. My dog makes that mistake too sometimes
Trigger happy americans are nothing new. Maybe they were 'liberating' the occupants of the craft with 2000 shots!

The U.S military should just stick to liberating opium poppies and ancient artifacts from sovereign nations museums. And of course oil pipelines and Mc Donalds burgers. (Do they really use the waste cooking oil to run the pickup trucks and Hummers.)

You'll just have to forgive them. To quote Heinz (Henry) Kissenger: Military men are dumb stupid animals that we use to do our bidding. Oh and let's weaponize the food and kill the useless eaters that are using up 'our' resourses while we're at it..

Much better to listen to John and Sleeper.

I too have listened to a few hours of Dietrich's many ramblings on other internet sites and AM radio shows. I agree with John Lear. Dietrich is a dis-info agent. No doubt about it.

Ken

Hi John,

I'm watching this interview with you at the moment ( [link to www.youtube.com] really great stuff. When the lady asked you about the bombs and you said "you could see them popping out" Dr.Wood describes how in huge buildings every 10th floor or so there are large water tanks that supply all the floors beneath them (those skyscrapers are simply too massive to have one enormous tank on the roof to supply every floor.) So when the Directed Energy Weaponry hit the towers and the floors started to vaporize it was those water tanks that were bursting outward causing an "explosive" effect." When I find that interview I will link it to you.

Good on you for being so brave regarding 9-11. That takes real guts.

Hey John do you think these videos depict reptilians/shapershifters? I seriously cannot come up with any other explanation. People will say it is computer artifacts but i find it highly unlikely considering it occurs just on the eyes, and in multiple videos, just on the eyes.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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I was once watching in high definition a foreign correspondent on the MSNBC website, and at the very end of the interview his eyes did the exact same thing depicted in the videos. I thought hmm that was scary and strange, so i headed to youtube to see if anyone else had picked up on this and low and behold they had.

Here is another one of a news reporter 'losing form'. I find the fact he constantly looks away as if he trying to hide his eyes very suspicious. Then when his image starts breaking up he actually moves off cam as if he knows he is losing his 'form'. Whats even scarier is there are multiple instances of this happening and in each instance there is something there to indicate that they aware of it and trying their best to retain form.

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and another one...

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(this women gives me the creeps, notice how the 'artifacts' move with here as if they are attached to her, and that everything else in camera is perfectly in tact, no artifacting whatsoever. Debunkers will say they are artifacts...artifacts do not cling to clothes and the body like we are seeing here. Again some suspicious stuff going on in that video like she is getting yelled at in her ear piece she is shifting)

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(again no artifacting anywhere else but on the lady, and the artifacts move with the person)


This video however i really would like your opinion on. It is of George Bush Snr, and you can clearly see his left eye flickers and there is a noise that goes along with it (make sure u have ur speakers up louds). At 36 seconds is when it occurs, a shift in the eyes and a noise at that exact point in time.

[link to www.youtube.com]

And then for good measure we have Jenna Bush, showing some of the strange behaviour seen in the above videos, starts at about 2:50.

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and again another video of her, at about 2:58.

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I definately see a pattern, they often find it hard to speak whilst they go through these stages. Its as if its a juggling act, them speaking and appearing human at times just they get a bit wobbly but ususally manage to retain control over it.

IMO, this could also explain oddities like the women with garbled speech in the news.

[link to www.youtube.com]

People said she must of had a stroke but according to news sources she did not. What can explain that kind of garbled speech in a veteran news reporter?


What i also think is a give away is that on every youtube video that has these, you will see many comments that go out of their way to include the words "CRAZY, STUPID, IDIOTS". I belive disinfo agents are assigned a duty to spend their entire day to debunk this stuff because generally the greater population refers to the comments of a video to determine the authenticity. When they see such insults, many would automatically think oh it cannot be real. However it does not fool me considering these same people also upload video's that debunk these clips with so called 'artifacting' and 'video compression problems'. If it is so 'CRAZY, STUPID, IDIOTIC' to believe in this kind of stuff, why go out of your way to make a video to disprove it?

I for one can see how the world works and how they use our own ego's against us. For instance, in the case of no planes on 911, even if they did not use holograms i can see how they sold the story. I relate it to my own experiences. When something big, cool or amazing happened in my lifetime, i personally have been guilty of telling my friends that i had been a part of it, or has this seen etc.

I can very well see people claiming to see the planes hit the tower to their friends, I mean they saw the explosion, they heard the explosion, they saw everything else...they know it was from planes by the suggestion in the media so they might as well include in their stories that they tell their friends that they saw the planes too. This even applies to the person in this thread who said their friend saw the plane hit. Not to say holograms weren't used as that is a very real possibility, but i agree with you 100% that no planes ever hit those towers. No crash physics to speak of. Even at 12 years of age when i saw those planes hit i remember explicity thinking to myself 'those planes were absorbed into that building as smooth as butter'. Knowing now they the buildings had steel frames, this is just not possible.

Ken,

Douglas Dietrich is the most disruptive source of historical information on the planet. It provokes thought not blind consumption and it takes time to internalize too. The recent Narconomics talks are extraordinary because names, dates, companies and locations are provided. That's evidence for people to verify for themselves if they wish.

However, JL and DD's information contradict each other. Their profiles both hypothetically lend themselves to being classic disinformation agents for the CIA and DOD respectively given their historical associations. That's not hyperbole either. It's cold rationalism.

But they may both be innocent too, or one might be good and the other might not. I like a fair bit of John Lear's information and don't reject all of it, but both JL and DD need to clear Roswell up or more problems for Sleeper are evident if left ignored. I don't agree with all of DD's information either. We disagree on lots but mostly we share what we agree on.

However more importantly let's not ignore that the Military and the CIA are in conflict. Panetta moved to DOD and Petraus to CIA. Castling these two roles is an extraordinary move. One of the most interesting, daring and pointed of the last four years administration. It fosters more tensions than normal between the CIA and the Military and we've seen examples of this in Lebanon, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya to mention a few, though it seems there is cooperation over Israel.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

For me both institutions of the military and CIA are evil and psychotic. It will be interesting to see what unfolds from John Lear's allegation that Douglas Dietrich is Naval Disinformation. It's a shame a dialogue couldn't be opened instead of JL labelling DD. I feel it was premature and removed a chance for two people to share information. Both have a lot more in common than what divides them. A propensity for information that most people can't handle for a start.

If I was into disinformation I'd have done exactly what John Lear did. I'd have smeared Douglas Dietrich before talking to him.

c.

Hello HaveBlue

I've responded elsewhere on this thread about John Lear's claims that Douglas Dietrich is Naval Intelligence Disinformation. It wont be hard to find out if that's true or not.

As for John's CIA association it's a matter of record. His father had Majestic and Anti Grav peers and friends during the 50's. John made a living flying drugs and guns for the CIA while the US was carpet bombing peaceful Buddhist countries.

A retirement of disinformation is not preposterous. But I can provide a more nuanced position than so far. My keyboard is toast so it will have to wait.

You write: If John was CIA disinfo his posts would be believable to mainstream soccer mums

You are very much mistaken on that premise. The most extraordinary fairy tales and illusions are crafted as disinformation. Most of the information is accurate and then a fantastic story is slipped in as a classic disinformation strategy because it misleads but also destroys trust for the person who swallowed it.

Project Bluebeam, Mass Banker Arrests, Roswell, Fluoride, Nixon, Disclosure, Moon Inhabitants, Travel to the moon in 62 and Mars in 66.

All of these are crazy examples of disinformation because they turn off everyone before the sentence is finished. I've thrown a couple of John's in there to make my point but I will outline a much more concrete reason for challenging John's veracity than this keyboard will provide. The Sleeper information is thus far the weak link. I've read the internet posts and they are substandard, serve no purpose and Sleeper's interview makes it clear he's an automaton.

Religion is the oldest disinformation. The existentialist, victim perpetrator, messiah complex is plain to see in the dogma of Sleeper. I'm not saying it's wrong till I read the books as well as the net posts but Sleeper Cell is like his name. He's a guy pimping a message that says 'You are insignificant' unless you join the special club. That's not true. Humans are awesome.

You write: Why are you in Bangkok anyway? Sounds like someone looking for hookers.

Really? I speak fluent Thai, have a Thai child and have been coming here for 20 years in between stints in Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, KL, Jakarta and Manila.

I sound like someone looking for hookers? Why would you say something so off topic in a public forum? I've no idea why you think I'm looking for prostitutes in Thailand. One doesn't look for prostitutes in Thailand. Prostitution is ubiquitous.

Is it harder to find prostitutes in New Zealand where you are? Is that why you asked?

You sound like your working for John Lear. I say that because your last sentence was as follows.

"Much better to listen to John and Sleeper."

Really?

Your devotion to John is admirable for a disciple though somewhat perplexing for a person who engages in rationalism when writing. Its much better to challenge everything and figure things out. We didn't bury the Abrahamic redeemer complex religions just to have John peddle a new variant of 'humans are powerless'.

We're not powerless. We're awesome and the disinfo cockroaches work for small groups of powerful global oligarchs who hate that. They do it for a pension.

They sell their body and souls for slimy pension....

How cheap is that...

You are probably correct that John is disinfo or he's just been intentionally misled. I think William Cooper had it right when he realized that the whole ufo/alien thing was a massive psyop. That people were shown classified ufo material, so they would leak it to the public. They needed to plant that seed in case they wanted to have a never ending unwinable war against an alien race. It's probably next after they have exhausted the B.S. war on terror. It's unfortunate that the only way to tell if someone is credible is if they get murdered by the government.

When i was three they came for me
I was wide awake and seen them many,many times since then
I know that the government has also done the fake ones but I have seen them for real. The first one I saw was a little blue looking man who stuck me with this wand. I also been taken by the brownish orange ones. they are real and I can say that for a fact..I have seen huge ships the size of a small town..

Great comment.

I'm not saying John is disinformation but the Bob Lazar chance meeting is a little odd and the core Sleeper (cell) message of apathy, non intervention, deity superiority and amoral inaction is old school religion to a T.

Diinfo love that narrative as it encourages people to ignore what the great theft going on by elites rifling the peoples pockets.

William Cooper changed view and I don't know how he then rejected the time he observed a UFO in the Navy. Odd story unless you know a little more than I've learned.

Here is DD's latest interview. He names names including Stan Friedman's role as a paid disinformation agent.

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