Comex May 2011 Silver Default, Dollar Protection, JPM Covering and Silver/Commodities Crash | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1132105 United States 05/05/2011 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is taking place now is heavy manipulation and history in the making. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15234The federal reserve has had no option (other then to let everything implode) other then to purchase debt from the US Govt. They have also been shoveling money into the banks and friendly hedge funds. This is no secret. This has not been easy on the dollar. Everyone knows JPM/HSBC are in deep trouble with their naked silver shorts. JPM in particular. JPM ended up being loaded down with Bear Stearns huge naked short silver position by the Fed/Treasury during the 2008 collapse. Spec money created by the fed has been making its way into the markets... stock market up, commodities up.... they KNEW this would (and was) doing terrible damage to the dollar. The dollar can not survive (in current form) and is slowly losing value by the day BUT the implosion and destruction must be MANAGED. So what was decided, agreed upon by many parties and put into action? 1) Keep margin limits VERY LOW on silver and allow the price to climb. Drag many people into the future spec and let them get HEAVILY leveraged. Trade desks must take positions and buy/sell step making money riding it up. Just be sure to close all positions "just in time" *nudge nudge* -- Be sure to be out before CME starts the hike (date provided of course) 2) Get partner CME to then perform massive and rapid margin increases causing a major dislocation and electronic dump in the Silver market. 3) Get large players to announce they are exiting the PM markets (Slim, Soros, etc) to mainstream. 4) Silver will cause other commodities to fall (which has been scaring governments to death) when people have to liquidate their other commodities positions to cover silver market losses. This helps clean out commodities a bit. 5) Give JPM and HSBC the opportunity to close out naked short positions at a GREATLY reduced dollar amount (helps Fed which is covering) 6) Attempt to prevent Comex May default (now impossible) by dislocating those demanding physical delivery. Problem is they have NOT been scared off and are standing ground. 7) Commodities exit provides support to dollar and provides mini rally. 8) Discourage "the people" from thinking about using non "main channel" methods (PMs) to protect themselves and reconsider what they know (dollar is doomed and backed by nothing) to be fact. Basically an attempt to punish people for looking for ways to shun the dollar. By leaving the Silver margins so low on purpose and then jacking them through the roof at the rate they did it was IMPOSSIBLE for people to cover the additional margin requirements quickly enough to prevent what has happened. A total and WELL PLANNED trap. This was a HUGE CYA event to protect mostly CME and JPM. Do you research and you will find what I say to be accurate. This was a planned implosion. The one thing that has failed... preventing the Comex default. They were unable to scare away VERY strong hands that want to expose Comex for what it is... JPM on the other hand has received a huge benefit from this (big surprise there). It is fixing to get VERY interesting. I think (personal opinion) that physical holders of silver will be very rewarded soon as the curtain is pulled back and the scam exposed. We shall see. I agree with you OP... The only you forgot to mention is those hedge funds that will take the "comex to the wall" and demand delivery will be "tarred and feathered"... and blackballed... Even with all that I am hearing they are standing their ground and will expose the comex... A common misconception I always held was that I assumed the comex would default when the market is at all time highs, but it turns out they may default with the silver market in the 30's or 40's... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15234 United States 05/05/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The proof in you theoryOP is that the CME comex is still hiking margin requirements even though silver is down 25%... This proves they will default.. IMHO!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1132105They are scared because they know there is no out. Default is coming. These margin increases are not justified after a 25% drop... you are correct... except they were all planned in advance and they have been sticking to the plan. ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1337760 Canada 05/05/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am long on silver. Have been for 10 years. All I have to say is thanks for the $35 silver again. $48 was way too expensive. I'm going to go out and buy another 25 silver maple leafs tomorrow. I'm sure many silver longs will take this last chance to buy physical at these low prices this week! ha ha ha |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15234 United States 05/05/2011 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Comex realized after last month of paying 80% over spot that they couldn't do that anymore... so they came up with this margin hike plan and it is going to backfire on them and will cause a default!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1132105Agreed. This is going to be a very historic month and the people holding their ground and exposing the fraud should be considered heroes. Heads are going to roll... this is going to be too big to cover up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1132105 United States 05/05/2011 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand that the Comex (CME) has raised margin requirements again. Also I understand that Carlos Slim and Soros are shorting silver... what do you think is going on?? My theory is that a bunch of Hedge Funds got together and realized that they could demand delivery and get paid handsomely for settling for cash (ie the story from last month that the COMEX had to settle for 80% over spot).. I think the govt, illuminati, and the exchanges got together at the latest meeting and came to an agreement that they would take down silver.... Now today I am hearing that even bigger foreign Hedge Funds and Russian billionaires are getting ready to buy and demand delivery!!! The BIG boys are battling right now in the silver pits and we're caught in the middle... Who will win the foreigners and their billionaires or the illuminati... The Illuminati won round 1 but the Russian and Chinese smell blood... Who do you think will win??? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1347365 United States 05/05/2011 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op Is spot on! Good post. Interesting how this freefall all started after Obamanation told the world that he got Osama! I really dont know if all this matters though, If its true about this Elenin, or whatever it is, we will be starting over or dead. Thanks for your research OP!!! |
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Comedian User ID: 1371787 United States 05/05/2011 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver will be at $200 by the end of the year....... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156337Well, $150 anyway. But only physical. Faith in paper issued by child-molesting Hummer-driving Obama contributors behind mahogony desks may very well vanish in the next week or two. Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
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Punk-A$$ets User ID: 1107017 United States 05/05/2011 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.24hgold.com] thats a very consistent slope DOWNWARD whatever happens it will be interesting to see it play out thanks for the breakdown OP |
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DeadBeacon User ID: 961647 United States 05/05/2011 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | silver will be at $200 by the end of the year....... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1156337Well, $150 anyway. But only physical. Faith in paper issued by child-molesting Hummer-driving Obama contributors behind mahogony desks may very well vanish in the next week or two. Not so sure about the $150...but...I'd say in the $75-$90 range. Just sayin'. :Canadian F::State of Texas: "Misunderestimating is only 5/4 th's of the problem"! "Some choose to hear, few decide to listen". "Question what you know and know why you question". "GLP will never be the sane...uhhh...same". "The markets will determine the fate of government intervention, not government intervening in the market". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1120648 Germany 05/05/2011 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know this may be a stupid question, but markets and economy in general are not my strong suit, so I'll ask anyway. What are the broader implications of the Comex default ? How does this affect the dollar and in general the US economy ? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15234 United States 05/05/2011 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know this may be a stupid question, but markets and economy in general are not my strong suit, so I'll ask anyway. Quoting: subzero86What are the broader implications of the Comex default ? How does this affect the dollar and in general the US economy ? A default at the Comex will show that the "exchange" allows fraud to take place... selling of futures for products that are not able to be delivered. The stability of the exchange requires the ability of buyers to request delivery of whatever commodity they purchased a contract for at a certain price... Example: Lets just say I want one contract of silver (5000 oz) for DELIVERY in July 2011 -- and the contract is available to me now for $30 per oz (so $30 x 5000 = $150,000). So I deposit the necessary amount minimum (margin deposit) which is now around $22,000. Come delivery month I can either (1) Roll the contract over and continue to hold the contract because I expect to make more money on it or (2) Take delivery of my 5000 oz of Silver. If I want delivery I have to pay the balance of my original purchase amount minus the deposit I already paid... A default is when I go to get my silver and the exchange says "ah, sorry, we don't have any silver and we can't locate any either... we will have to pay you IN CASH." In other words you never got what you paid for.... It will expose the nonsense that has been taking place (selling way more contracts then the silver that exists therefore producing FALSE SUPPLY which creates lower prices).... the entire process prevents the real value of the underlying commodity (silver in the case) from reaching its full market value... A lower price will exist if there is 100,000,000 oz of silver available vs 100,000 oz.... right? :) 100,000 oz would mean people would have to pay a REAL PRICE for the LOW AVAILABLE INVENTORY of that item. Basically paper silver has been used to make it look like there is a huge amount of silver floating around when there is actually very little available. To answer your question it would now have a positive effect (default) on any portion of the financial sector. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15234 United States 05/05/2011 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To answer your question it would now have a positive effect (default) on any portion of the financial sector. Should have Read: To answer your question default would not have a positive effect on any portion of the financial sector. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1323755 United States 05/05/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The proof in you theoryOP is that the CME comex is still hiking margin requirements even though silver is down 25%... This proves they will default.. IMHO!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1132105They are scared because they know there is no out. Default is coming. These margin increases are not justified after a 25% drop... you are correct... except they were all planned in advance and they have been sticking to the plan. ;) Comex will not default for a very long time, they will make sure of that. I just hope silver gets back to 50 or higher by the end of the year or im toast :( |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15234 United States 05/05/2011 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The proof in you theoryOP is that the CME comex is still hiking margin requirements even though silver is down 25%... This proves they will default.. IMHO!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1132105They are scared because they know there is no out. Default is coming. These margin increases are not justified after a 25% drop... you are correct... except they were all planned in advance and they have been sticking to the plan. ;) Comex will not default for a very long time, they will make sure of that. I just hope silver gets back to 50 or higher by the end of the year or im toast :( There are a few in line for this month that WANT DELIVERY and will not accept cash (the will not accept the Comex bribe).. So even though Comex has he RIGHT to settle in cash doing so and FORCING someone to accept it will be in effect a default. This is happening... and it will make news. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1120648 Germany 05/05/2011 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow ! Thanks for clarifying all that stuff for me OP ! Just one more question, why do you think May is the month of the Comex default ? What makes you think they cannot continue with their smoke and mirrors act for a few more months ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1323755 United States 05/05/2011 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow ! Thanks for clarifying all that stuff for me OP ! Quoting: subzero86Just one more question, why do you think May is the month of the Comex default ? What makes you think they cannot continue with their smoke and mirrors act for a few more months ? i would say years ....... |
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