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"The proposal, generally opposed by higher education officials across the state, would allow Texans with a concealed handgun license to carry a gun into any buildings on a college campus, including classrooms. It would also allow students with a license to keep a handgun in their dormitories, although college officials would be allowed to restrict where it could be stored."

[link to trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com]
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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What a waste of time issue.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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or perhaps this make something like VA tech reoccurring even more possible...
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I'd be more impressed if Texas demanded their fair share of the nuclear stockpile from DoE and then told the feds 'you don't wanna end up like a criminal gone UTexas style.'
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"The proposal, generally opposed by higher education officials across the state, would allow Texans with a concealed handgun license to carry a gun into any buildings on a college campus, including classrooms. It would also allow students with a license to keep a handgun in their dormitories, although college officials would be allowed to restrict where it could be stored."

[link to trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com]
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Your right OP it is a good idea!
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Unfortunately it didn't pass.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Unfortunately it didn't pass.
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Ah, they've tacked it on to something that probably will.

Okay.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Kids? They have to be 21 OP. Go blow yourself. If people could pack on campus these mass shootings could never take place.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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or perhaps this make something like VA tech reoccurring even more possible...
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A pissed off student will take a gun on campus regardless of the laws. All this does is arms those that wish to defend themselves.

I live in California, if someone decided to go nuts and shoot up my school, I'd be fucked if I weren't carrying because I am not legally allowed to defend myself, and if I were carrying, I'd be fucked because even if I ended the situation, I'd still be violating the law. The criminal has no regard for the law, he does as he pleases. The law abiding citizen has no means to protect himself as all those before him sacrificed his security for the illusion of security. Gun control only results in tragedy, responsible gun ownership results dead criminals
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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or perhaps this make something like VA tech reoccurring even more possible...
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someone looking to do something like VA is not stopped by a rule saying no guns on campus. the law abiding citizens are left unarmed and defensless with that rule.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Kids? They have to be 21 OP. Go blow yourself. If people could pack on campus these mass shootings could never take place.
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oh, because 21 is the epitome of maturity, yeah? you must be 21 then. blow myself haha.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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No, you're not the only one. College campus leadership, by and large, is against this.

In reality, it makes college campuses just like the rest of Texas society in terms of gun control and self protection.

I think you'll see statistics of accidental shootings and the like go up....and then they'll do away with guns on campus and we'll be back to where we started.
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forget the concealed stuff, open carry all the way!

to go one step further everyone born in the usa should be issued a weapon of your families choosing.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Yep. Here is the basic argument people like you never seem to understand. CRIMINALS and MURDERERS don't give a rat's ass about laws and regulations. You were not allowed to bring guns on campus as VA tech or Columbine. But crazy assholes did it anyway.... I hope I am never put in the situation but I tell you what. If I ever saw something like that go down you can bet your ass me and my 9mm will do everything we can to prevent such a horrible tragedy from happening.

If you think the people cowering in fear in closets and behind desks werent wishing they had a gun..... I just don't know what to say
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forget the concealed stuff, open carry all the way!

to go one step further everyone born in the usa should be issued a weapon of your families choosing.
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i wouldn't be as opposed if it weren't concealed, actually. i'm imagining a professor giving some student an F, and the student going ballistic.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
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Here's an idea... Nobody gives a crap what the "higher education officials" think.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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No, you're not the only one. College campus leadership, by and large, is against this.

In reality, it makes college campuses just like the rest of Texas society in terms of gun control and self protection.

I think you'll see statistics of accidental shootings and the like go up....and then they'll do away with guns on campus and we'll be back to where we started.
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I bet the increase in accidents doesnt go up anywhere as much as school shootings goes down. just look at statistics from country to country. Countries that dont allow citizens to carry weapons have a much higher home invasion/burglery rate. If a criminal knows he will be shot for doing the crime, he wont do it.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Most 21 year olds I know don't actually LIVE on campus, but have their own places. Most folks graduate around 22 or so.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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Yep. Here is the basic argument people like you never seem to understand. CRIMINALS and MURDERERS don't give a rat's ass about laws and regulations. You were not allowed to bring guns on campus as VA tech or Columbine. But crazy assholes did it anyway.... I hope I am never put in the situation but I tell you what. If I ever saw something like that go down you can bet your ass me and my 9mm will do everything we can to prevent such a horrible tragedy from happening.

If you think the people cowering in fear in closets and behind desks werent wishing they had a gun..... I just don't know what to say
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so you're saying the best way to prevent a shooting is to allow more guns on campus? in the same vein, why don't we just start bringing beer to AA meetings.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
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This.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
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Entrances are not currently screened for firearms NOW.
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It won't happen if it gets put to a vote. Nobody wants that. This just could, I say, Could - interfere with football and cheerleading. The cheerleaders have been known to be involved in death plots. No, no, no, they won't allow that.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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No, you're not the only one. College campus leadership, by and large, is against this.

In reality, it makes college campuses just like the rest of Texas society in terms of gun control and self protection.

I think you'll see statistics of accidental shootings and the like go up....and then they'll do away with guns on campus and we'll be back to where we started.
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I bet the increase in accidents doesnt go up anywhere as much as school shootings goes down. just look at statistics from country to country. Countries that dont allow citizens to carry weapons have a much higher home invasion/burglery rate. If a criminal knows he will be shot for doing the crime, he wont do it.
 Quoting: Evan03


You could be right. I like gun freedoms and I'm opposed to a lot of hinderances.

I know that what you say is true across the general population. I'm just not positive that it will be true in an 18-22 yr. old demographic with a proclivity for inebriation.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
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Put yourself in the criminal's shoes, would you rather rob somebody who MIGHT have a gun, or who you know DOESN'T have a gun? Same principle applies here, people are much less likely to do anything stupid when they know they can be blown away at any minute by anyone who happens to be carrying.

An institution can't control anything because people by their nature cannot be predicted to do anything. They may be able to limit certain factors that contribute to certain events, but they cannot prevent the events from happening. Tell me, was the institution of VA Tech able to control the lone nut that blew some of his classmates away? Gun free zones only prevent the guy who isn't going to do anything from doing anything.

As far as courtrooms are concerned, I don't see why not. A determined individual will do what they are determined to do and it is better to have those who have gone through the proper channels have the ability to defend themselves rather than rely on one or two bailiffs to do that for them.

Bottom line is, gun control don't work.
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so i guess i'm the only one who sees why kids having concealed weapons in their dorms might be a bad idea....alright then.
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No, you're not the only one. College campus leadership, by and large, is against this.

In reality, it makes college campuses just like the rest of Texas society in terms of gun control and self protection.

I think you'll see statistics of accidental shootings and the like go up....and then they'll do away with guns on campus and we'll be back to where we started.
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I bet the increase in accidents doesnt go up anywhere as much as school shootings goes down. just look at statistics from country to country. Countries that dont allow citizens to carry weapons have a much higher home invasion/burglery rate. If a criminal knows he will be shot for doing the crime, he wont do it.
 Quoting: Evan03


You could be right. I like gun freedoms and I'm opposed to a lot of hinderances.

I know that what you say is true across the general population. I'm just not positive that it will be true in an 18-22 yr. old demographic with a proclivity for inebriation.
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True, but the way i see it we either have liberty or we dont. when we pick and choose who gets what freedoms its a slippery slope
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1359758


Put yourself in the criminal's shoes, would you rather rob somebody who MIGHT have a gun, or who you know DOESN'T have a gun? Same principle applies here, people are much less likely to do anything stupid when they know they can be blown away at any minute by anyone who happens to be carrying.

An institution can't control anything because people by their nature cannot be predicted to do anything. They may be able to limit certain factors that contribute to certain events, but they cannot prevent the events from happening. Tell me, was the institution of VA Tech able to control the lone nut that blew some of his classmates away? Gun free zones only prevent the guy who isn't going to do anything from doing anything.

As far as courtrooms are concerned, I don't see why not. A determined individual will do what they are determined to do and it is better to have those who have gone through the proper channels have the ability to defend themselves rather than rely on one or two bailiffs to do that for them.

Bottom line is, gun control don't work.
 Quoting: the makers mark has been made


However, there is a flipside. As much as we'd like to believe "OMGZZZzz you have to be TWENTY-ONE! And TWENTY-ONE year oldz are ADULTS!!!111oneoneone", we know this isn't the case. Sure, an ACTUAL adult should be allowed to own or carry (although some mental health tests should be a prerequisite IMO), but a college kid? Many of them still lack the maturity and empathy that it takes working for a living and facing the real world to establish.
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No, you're not the only one. College campus leadership, by and large, is against this.

In reality, it makes college campuses just like the rest of Texas society in terms of gun control and self protection.

I think you'll see statistics of accidental shootings and the like go up....and then they'll do away with guns on campus and we'll be back to where we started.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905924


I bet the increase in accidents doesnt go up anywhere as much as school shootings goes down. just look at statistics from country to country. Countries that dont allow citizens to carry weapons have a much higher home invasion/burglery rate. If a criminal knows he will be shot for doing the crime, he wont do it.
 Quoting: Evan03


You could be right. I like gun freedoms and I'm opposed to a lot of hinderances.

I know that what you say is true across the general population. I'm just not positive that it will be true in an 18-22 yr. old demographic with a proclivity for inebriation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905924


True, but the way i see it we either have liberty or we dont. when we pick and choose who gets what freedoms its a slippery slope
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Very fair point.
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They'll be able to defend themselves if something like VA tech were to happen again. Props Texas.
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Much more likely to lead to MORE shootings.

The practicality of it is that is "some" are allowed to carry then colleges and universities will NOT be able to personally screen at every entrance of every building who is entering with a LEGAL gun and who is entering with an ILLEGAL gun. Thus the crazies can more easily carry a gun into a building than before.

This is as crazy as allowing guns in bars. Sheesh ...

Have people lost all common sense?


And whatever happened to an institution being able to control things that are happening on it's premises?

Why don't we now just allow everyone to carry a gun into every courthouse and courtroom too? That follows the same logic as this new law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1359758


Put yourself in the criminal's shoes, would you rather rob somebody who MIGHT have a gun, or who you know DOESN'T have a gun? Same principle applies here, people are much less likely to do anything stupid when they know they can be blown away at any minute by anyone who happens to be carrying.

An institution can't control anything because people by their nature cannot be predicted to do anything. They may be able to limit certain factors that contribute to certain events, but they cannot prevent the events from happening. Tell me, was the institution of VA Tech able to control the lone nut that blew some of his classmates away? Gun free zones only prevent the guy who isn't going to do anything from doing anything.

As far as courtrooms are concerned, I don't see why not. A determined individual will do what they are determined to do and it is better to have those who have gone through the proper channels have the ability to defend themselves rather than rely on one or two bailiffs to do that for them.

Bottom line is, gun control don't work.
 Quoting: the makers mark has been made


However, there is a flipside. As much as we'd like to believe "OMGZZZzz you have to be TWENTY-ONE! And TWENTY-ONE year oldz are ADULTS!!!111oneoneone", we know this isn't the case. Sure, an ACTUAL adult should be allowed to own or carry (although some mental health tests should be a prerequisite IMO), but a college kid? Many of them still lack the maturity and empathy that it takes working for a living and facing the real world to establish.
 Quoting: Amethyst_Iris


21 years old has nothing to do with being an adult, it's an arbitrary restriction. I know 9 year olds with more gun smarts than some 20 year olds. I'm in college, and I'd love to have the security of a concealed handgun. My campus isn't in the greatest place, nor does it have the most attentive security/police presence. There are already restrictions that have been agreed upon as far as WHO can own a gun and mental health problems preclude someone from obtaining one legally in most places. You're right about the maturity level of most college students, but then again, most college students wouldn't have a CCW. Regardless of the law, school shootings will not stop, and access to guns will only make fools of those who shouldn't be handling them in the first place.





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