Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance

2. How Elenin causes M8+ earthquakes still remains a mystery.

But your post that Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at .002 AUs distance means "nothing" really.

So how would you explain the Earth changes over the last year or two?

So what I see is a world that is trying to explain away the massive amount of Earth changes we've had over the last few years, everyone is trying to keep the sheep in the dark, we clearly are not living in normal times, look around you man, it's fairly easy to call BS on an Astronut he doesn't have any explaination to the obvious just shoot down any logical ideas.

From one who had concerns about whether it was a Brown Dwarf.

Good job Astronaut. GOOD JOB!




I had accepted this as just correlation. Correlation is not the same as causation.




It shows that it's not likely to be a massively gravitational Brown Dwarf. That's a huge find.




Something else. Correlation is not the same as causation.



I still have two questions:
1. Are you 100% sure the asteroid wasn't just dust on the lens, or another asteroid or star much further out, as Geophysical Events noted? Just needed to ask it.
2. I wonder about the video in a thread a few weeks back showing that the guy who discovered the comet also published a heavily-researched paper on 8+ Richter earthquakes caused by heavenly body alignment. (Can't find it right now, sorry.) It's compelling that this so-called amateur published so detailed a paper. But again, correlation is not the same as causation.

Are you high, what the fuck is this?

Are you high, what the fuck is this?

"Correlation is not the same as causation"

That sounds like some real BS.

I'm not an astrophysicist, so i really can't fight you on that, but you're still assuming way too much, and you're numbers dont really match up. just bc this asteroid is not iron based does not mean it has a 94% chance of not being affected. that makes no sense AT ALL. if you could break it down further id be more willing to believe you.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

First law in disinfo, never read wikipedia, nice try schill. Fuck off.

Are you high, what the fuck is this?

[link to www.infoworks.ride.uri.edu]
[link to rationalwiki.org]
[link to core.ecu.edu]
[link to www.google.com]

On May 20th (Friday), C/2010 X1 (Elenin) passed within 0.002 AUs of an asteroid in the asteroid belt known as 1999 RQ176 (asteroid number 74732). The name designates when it was found and in what order. This asteroid is several magnitudes dimmer than Elenin itself. In order to determine if it was still where it should be after the encounter, I purchased telescope time from a civilian telescope in the Canary Islands.

As expected, it's faint as hell, and this was with a telescope as large as GLP's new main scope (different optical design though). First, here's the image of 1999 RQ176. Elenin's clearly visible on the right end of the image as well.
[link to flickr.com]
The purple sheen is just due to white balance issues. Asteroid 1999 RQ176 is just barely visible. This is actually a stack of 4 exposures from the telescope, the first exposure ending at 22:34:31 GMT May 21st.

Elenin's position was predicted to be 10h 27m 32.27s, +08d 09' 03.5". According to astrometry, it was detected at 10h 27m 32s, +08d 09' 04", well within the 2.15 arcsecond per pixel resolution of the image.

Asteroid 1999 RQ176 was predicted to be at 10h 28m 35.60s, +08d 05' 23.1". According to the same astrometry, it was actually detected at 10h 28m 36s, +08d 05' 23", again right on the money and within the resolution of the image.

Elenin failed to detectably perturb this little asteroid at all despite encountering it at a very close distance of 0.002 AUs and even pelting it with its tail as it passed between the asteroid and sun during that close approach. Here's a simulation showing the encounter:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I hope this sets some of your minds at ease. I'm well aware that some, perhaps many here, will choose to believe Elenin is an imminent threat to earth no matter what, but if you're willing to look you'll see it's really just a harmless minor comet.

"Correlation is not the same as causation"

That sounds like some real BS.

So, to all you bright and smart individuals out there, question, do you think that the Earth changes that we see today are normal and we're just living in normal times?

Astronut you should have made a title with CAPS LOCK, otherwise this thread is risked to be buried in the 2nd page.

Tnks for clarifying this situation with true astronomic information.

I never said they WEREN'T caused by Elenin... just that earthquakes appearing at the same time is still not proof. Could quite possible just be a bizarre coincidence.

I never said they WEREN'T caused by Elenin... just that earthquakes appearing at the same time is still not proof. Could quite possible just be a bizarre coincidence.

"Correlation is not the same as causation"

That sounds like some real BS.

Ok, what might be a "bizarre coincidence"? Give us some examples.

PIN this thread. I admire facts from real observation! It can bring us closer to the truth.

Now I have two more questions left

1. The asteroid is very dim. The sky is full of objects with 19 apparent magnitude everywhere. Can you double check it's RQ176? For example, taking two shots at different time to show RQ176 is actually moving and not a remote star. Once we have such photos, we can settle the dispute over Elenin's mass once and for all.

2. How Elenin causes M8+ earthquakes still remains a mystery.

I want to say again, it's hardly a coincidence. Elenin happens to have very small inclination 1.839°, so it can form a straight line between planets and the Sun.

M8+ earthquakes are very rare, but there were M8.1, M8.8, and M9.0 in the past four Elenin's alignments. There are only thirty M8+ mega earthquakes since 1975 (35 years), all of the last three M8+ earthquakes happened in Elenin's alignment!. The probability of random events is near 0. We still need an explanation!!!

USGS database search:
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

PDE 1975 05 26 091151.50 36.00 -17.65 33 8.1 UKPAS 6D. .T.....
PDE 1976 01 14 164733.50 -28.43 -177.66 33 8.2 UKBRK .D. .T.....
PDE 1977 04 21 042409.60 -9.97 160.73 33 8.1 UKPAS 7C. .T.....
PDE 1977 08 19 060855.20 -11.09 118.46 33 8.0 UKPAS .C. .T.....
PDE 1980 07 17 194223.20 -12.52 165.92 33 8.0 UKBRK .F. .T.....
PDE 1985 09 19 131747.35 18.19 -102.53 27 8.0 MwHRV 9CM .TS...M
PDE 1986 05 07 224710.87 51.52 -174.78 33 8.0 MwHRV 6DM .T.....
PDE 1986 10 20 064609.98 -28.12 -176.37 29 8.3 MSBRK .FM .T.....
PDE 1989 05 23 105446.32 -52.34 160.57 10 8.2 MsGS 5FM .T.....
PDE 1994 06 09 003316.23 -13.84 -67.55 631 8.2 MwGS .CM ......S
PDE 1994 10 04 132255.84 43.77 147.32 14 8.3 MwHRV 9CM .T....S
PDE 1995 07 30 051123.63 -23.34 -70.29 45 8.0 MwGS 7CM .T....S
PDE 1995 10 09 153553.91 19.06 -104.21 33 8.0 MwHRV .CM ST....S
PDE 1996 02 17 055930.55 -0.89 136.95 33 8.2 MwHRV .CM .T.....
PDE 1998 03 25 031225.07 -62.88 149.53 10 8.1 MwHRV ..M .......
PDE 2000 11 16 045456.74 -3.98 152.17 33 8.0 MwHRV .CM STS...S
PDE 2001 06 23 203314.13 -16.26 -73.64 33 8.4 MwHRV 8CM .T....S
PDE 2003 09 25 195006.36 41.81 143.91 27 8.3 MwHRV 8CM .T....S
PDE 2004 12 23 145904.41 -49.31 161.35 10 8.1 MwHRV .FM .T.....
PDE 2004 12 26 005853.45 3.30 95.98 30 9.1 Mw01100 9CM STS...M
PDE 2005 03 28 160936.53 2.09 97.11 30 8.6 MwHRV 8CM 3TS....
PDE 2006 05 03 152640.29 -20.19 -174.12 55 8.0 MwHRV 7CM .T.....
PDE 2006 11 15 111413.57 46.59 153.27 10 8.3 MwGCMT 4CM .T.....
PDE 2007 01 13 042321.16 46.24 154.52 10 8.1 MwGCMT 6FM .T.....
PDE 2007 04 01 203958.71 -8.47 157.04 24 8.1 MwGCMT .CM UT....S
PDE 2007 08 15 234057.89 -13.39 -76.60 39 8.0 MwGCMT 9CM .T....M
PDE 2007 09 12 111026.83 -4.44 101.37 34 8.5 MwGCMT 6CM .TS....
PDE 2009 09 29 174810.99 -15.49 -172.10 18 8.1 MwGCMT 6CM .T.....
PDE-W 2010 02 27 063411.53 -36.12 -72.90 22 8.8 MwUCMT 9CM UTS....
PDE-Q 2011 03 11 054624.12 38.30 142.37 29 9.0 MwUCMT XCM STS...M


If Elenin has tiny mass, I can only think of some possibilities

[Hypothesis A] TPTB HAARP/X37-B it whenever it forms an alignment. Elenin is a psyop

How to verify it:
Understand the mechanism of HAARP in full and find relevant measurements to detect it.

[Hypothesis B] Elenin is static charged like Comet NEAT (2002-2003) may be, too (a strongly charged comet seems not rare):

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

Pity that Comet NEAT has 81.7° of inclination (it can never form a line between Earth and Sun), so we cannot use it as a reference.

Coulomb's force is multiple magnitude stronger than gravitational force, so a tiny object can possibly exert strong Coulomb's force on Sun. Comet NEAT is very tiny compared to the Sun, but it caused a giant CME.

In this case, Elenin can influence Sun (composed of plasma), but cannot influence a asteroid (composed of rock)

This can possibly explain the earthquakes caused by Elenin's alignment

"Perhaps the observation of Nobel Laureate Hannes Alfvén, the father of plasma cosmology, can put the issue in context. It was his opinion that coronal mass ejections are caused by a breakdown or breach of the Sun’s double layer—an event that provokes an explosive exchange between the insulated plasma cell of the Sun and the plasma of surrounding space."

How to verify this theory:
a. Observe the Sun. The plasma composition on Sun's surface may be influenced.
b. The attraction from Sun to Elenin may induce small changes to Elenin's orbit. (to be calculated later)
c. There will be a Magnetic Field from Elenin near Earth in late Sep and early Oct. (but it's already too late to find out)

What it implies if it's true:
the influence by Elenin on Sun in late September will be (3.1/0.6)^2 ~= 26.7 times of Mar 11, 2011

[Hypothesis C] Elenin has strong magnetic field

How to verify it: I don't know

[Hypothesis D] Just a BIG coincidence! As you can see the M8+ listed in the past 35 years, the probability is very low.

Comet Elenin aligns with earth and a massive earthquake happens at the same time.

Comet Elenin aligns with earth and a massive earthquake happens at the same time.

Comet Elenin aligns with earth and a massive earthquake happens at the same time.