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Israel should be bombed, invaded and pacified, complete with no fly zone. we MUST realize that jewish people should be rounded up and put to work in camps before they completely destroy our nation. Names like Rockefeller and rothschild.

Nuff said.

They are doing the same thing now to the US as they did back then to Germany.

This thread shouldn't be against Jews.. There's many good Jews and many good Muslims and Catholics. Please keep a clear head and lets not be divided... We have the power if we join together as one...

With friends like Israel who needs enemies.

F*king morons. Again with the USS Liberty.

The USS Liberty was passing intelligence to the Arabs.


THIS ENDS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
ENOUGH WITH THIS ANTI ISRAEL USS LIBERTY CRAP.
IT IS FALSE. KNOW THE TRUTH. I SPENT TIME TYPING IT UP.
EVERY SINGLE TIME I GO ON GLP, SOME REDNECK IS HOOING AND HAAING ABOUT THE USS LIBERTY, WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS.
READ THIS, AND NOW YOU WILL KNOW. thank you.


Contrary to the Israeli governments categorical denials, the assault on the liberty had been deliberate, bit it was an act of self defense.
The "old spies" are adamant that the Liberty crew only knows the what, not the why, of what happened. Similarly, although Eveland and Deacon exposed the fact that the Israelis knew what they were doing when they attacked the ship, they did not know the real reason. Een US Naval Intelligence did not piece together what had happened until years later, and they had to get most of the answers from the British, who got them from the NSA. This is the real version of the Liberty incident, as told by sources among the former intelligence officers who were there on both sides of the battle*22.

In the weeks preceding the 1967 war, the Israeli embassy in Washington fully briefed the CIA and the White house on its strategy to preempt the Arab invasion. Once before the Israelis had launched a preempive strike in the Sinai without Washingtons explicit approval. The 1956 Suez debacle still rankled in everyones memory. This time the Israelis wanted to make sure that they had not cross wires with their most important, if not only, ally in the world. Every major facet of the impeding campaign was discussed in advance. Including the strike against Syria *23.

Sources insist that the US government knew that the israelis were going to attack the Golan Heights weeks before it happened and gave them the green light. Syria was in the Soviet camp and no particular friend of the United STates. Jordan was another matter. According to the "old spies", that were interviewed, a CIA agent in Amman, Jordan, leaked word to Jordan's King Hussein about the secret Israeli briefing, that Israelis would only counterattack in the north and south against egypt and syria.

Under US pressure, the Israelis had agreed not to send troops into the West Bank. As long as Jordan did not attack Israel from the east, King Hussein would stay out of the war and keep the provinces of Judea, Samaria, and the old city of Jerusalem which the Jordanian army had stolen from Palestine in 1948*24.
It was a good deal for Jordan, but not good enough. King Hussein was undepre pressure from the Arab wlorld to join in the attack against Israel. I would be embarrasing for him to sit back and do nothing while Egypt and Syria came hundreds of miles to fight the jewish people.
The king had to do something to appease his Arab brothers, so he sent Jordanian troops to attack from Syrian ,while promising the CIA that not a single Jordanian soldier would attack Israel from the West Bank. King Hussein slyly omitted his plan to place Jordanian troops under Egyptian control. The CIA passed the word on to Israel not to worry about an attack on hits eastern flank.
Israel found out about the CIA deal with king hussein and got pissed off. It may not have made a lot of difference to the CIA if Jordanian troops were fighting on the northern front, but it made a lot of difference to the jewish people. But this was nothing compared to what the jewish people found out next*25.
When the Israelis discovered that the Americans also had made ad eal with the Egyptians, they got even more angry at the CIA. To be fair, our sourcesin the intel community acknowledge that, by and large, the CIA was a messenger boy. The real decisions wre being made in the white house. ARAMCO AND THE OTHER BIG PLAYERS IN THE OIL BUSINESS WERE EXTREMELY CONSIDERED THAT AMERICAN AID TO ISRAEL WOULD ALIENATE THE ARAB OIL PRODUCERS. It was not enough to withold military assistance in the coming war. Everything on the Muslim world knew that the US was still neutral in favor of Israel.
The oil men wanted some under the table help for the Arabs *26

President Lyndon Johnson had been in the oil business and knew how the game was played. The oil producers got to LBJ or someone very close to him in the white house. Our sources never found out who. The oil men asked if the president could throw the arabs a bone, some osfrt of secret assistance that the public would never find out about but would make the arab leadership grateful. The point was to keep the oil flowing no matter what happened in the 1967 war. *27.

The white house approved a contingency plan to send the Arabs a little intelligence about the IDF, but nothing too much that would upset the balance of the war. Just something to let the arab leaders think that the US was secretly on their side, no matter what the US says about Israel. Unfortunately, the small scale contingency plan escalated. No one planned it that way. only a handful of staffers in the white house, the NSA, and the CIA knew what happened and they all pointed the finger at each other.

A few days before the war broke out, the USS liberty was detached from navy control and placed under authority of the NSA. The ship was ordered to pick up two Hebrew translators (non Jewish NSA employees) from Spain and head for the eastern Mediterranean*29.

On June 4, 1967, the CIA passed info via a courier that the US was willing to give Egypt intel about Israel. But the Egyptian military was not impressed. Soon there would be no Israel anyway. That evening, King Hussein called Nasser to tell him that the Israelis would attack in the morning *30.
Nasser just laughed off the CIA's betrayal of Israel.

Then on June 5, the Egyptians stopped laughing when Israel attacked. the IAF destroyed the Syrian and Egyptian air forces. They were blind, with no intelligence. King Hussein screamed at the CIA that he was betrayed. (Oh, and he forgot his promise to not fight Israel while he was putting his troops under Syrian control).
Within 48 hours the Israels had captured the Gaza Strip, and forced the Egyptian army back into the Sinai. For the first time in 2,000 years, the Israelis got back Jerusalem.

The egyptians desperately needed intelligence about the Israelis.
On the fourth day of the war, June 8, 1967, the USS Liberty arrived off the coast of egypt.
Its crew did not know it, but it was the only hope the Egyptian army had of retrieving anything from one of the quickest and most decisive military victories in history.

The USS liberty was more than a floating radio set. It was a giant magnet for electronic intelligence and could do more than eavesdrop.

So what exactly was the USS liberty doing there? Our sources among the "old spies" have an interesting explanation*32. They believe the Liberty was making a war map. Every radio communication was indexed with strength and direction. Same thing with tank and aircraft radio transmissions. The ship picked up everything in the airwaves and noted the location of every speck of electronic dust in Israel This is called a "Raw Intelligence Take".

The Liberty was one of the most sophisticated spy ships in the world at that time. But all the ship did was record, compress, and transmit data to a land station. The crew members did not now it, but the land station was on Cyprus. This was the clever part. The navy's paper trail would show that no American computer had even begun to process the Liberty's data at the time of the attack. If asked under oath, the few officers involved in the scheme could swear that the ship never gave away any secrets to the Arabs. And it would be the truth.
The British secret service had one of the largest electronic listening posts in the world on the island of Cyprus. That's where the USS liberty's data went.
Frequencies, locations, were identified with unit numbers. The data was put on an electronic war map that was updated constantly with the Liberty's input *34.

Spectrographic analysis of known voiceprints enabled the computer to identify each Israeli commander as soon as he spoke on the radio or telephone..

Our sources insist that with the Liberty's assistance, the Arabis might have been able to turn the war around. The finished war map was a detailed order of battle intelligence report, called an "OB". It is the most useful tool a general can have in time of war. Using this map, they can send their troops to exploit weaknesses.

Israel was prewarned about the USS liberty. perhaps by an agent inside British Intelligence.

This level playing field game would be a disaster for the Israelis. There were 1 billion muslims, and 3 million jewish people in Israel. A WAR OF ATTRITION WORKS ONLY FOR THE ARABS.

Diplomatic protest would be useless. The US would deny everything, the UN would stall, and more Israeli soldiers would be killed. The Israelis would be asked to come up with proof, and they could not do so without exposing their own intelligence agents in the Western and Arab camps.

It came down to a choice. 25,000 Israelis dead in the Golan campaign, or an attack on the Liberty.
REMEMBER, ONE FIGHTER BOMBER WITH HIGH EXPLOSIVE ORDINANCE WOULD BLAST THE LIBERTY OUT OF THE WATER.

Cabinet members asked if there was a way to do this WITHOUT KILLING 300 US SAILORS, since the American people were friends of Israel, regardless of the AMERICAN POLITICIANS actions against them.

A plan was put together to put the ship out of commission with a minimum loss of life. Somehow, the Israelis got the ships building plans, and the Liberty's fireproof and waterproof compartments gave the IDF staff an idea.
The first run would fire light rockets to the ANTENNA, and strafe the deck. This would send the crew downstairs belowdecks. As soon as they were belowdecks, the second strike would drop napalm to burn off the antennas (a lot of the stuff was made from aluminum), without breaching the structural integrity of the fireproof hull where the crew was hiding.
The only problem was the electronic intelligence center belowdecks in hold number 3. One carefully aimed torpedo would take that out without sinking the ship, but whoever was there would die. 80 to 90 % of the crew would live.
This was the best they could do.

The cabinet members gave the order to disable the liberty with minimum order of life. They could not trust their own telephones at this point, so they sent a courier to the nearest IAF squadron to ask for volunteers. Half the squadron refused to fly, because they had friends or relatives in the US. The ones that did fly were heartsick.
Two pilots later had nervous breakdowns.

As soon as the attack was underway, a senior official of Israeli intelligence paid a surprise call to his CIA counterpart. He told them what they were doing to the USS Liberty. Before the second wave of fighters came, the CIA told the navy to call off air support for the Liberty.

Why were the US navy fighters, from the US carriers, ordered back to the carrier?
The Israelis had proof that the US Government was committing an act of war against Israel by betraying its military secrets to the enemy in the middle of a war in which Israel's survival was at stake.

The CIA's low risk strategy blew up in its face.

The government of the US and Israel have been covering this up for the past 40 years.

This is the correct version of what happened.

The press wanted to know why the Liberty was twelve miles off the coast on June 8. For a time, the navy stuck to its story of how the Liberty was just relaying US messages. On June 29, the Joint Chiefs of Staff said they didnt know why the Liberty wasnt moved 400 miles away, like the other ships in the US navy. Then they said that they DID order the liberty to move, but the liberty never got the messages.
But if the USS liberty cant get messages from its admirals, how could it be a evacuee ship that picked up evacuees with weak radios?

THIS IS THE SAME COVERUP WITH PEARL HARBOR THAT THE US DID. the orders for the Liberty to move away from the warzone somehow got lost, bounced around, and ended up in Washington, then Ft. Meade..

But what people dont understand is that the ship was not under command of the Navy on June 8 1967. It was under command of the NSA.

The orders for the Liberty to move away from the warzone were actually not low priority, and were NOT lost. They were the highest priority, codenamed "Pinnacle". We now know from declassified files that the 6th Fleet and the Joint Chiefs were desperately trying to MOVE the liberty AWAY from the Israel.

The ship had radio receivers so powerful they could pick up a tank radio 40 miles away. OF COURSE it could hear messages from its own headquarters. Even after the Israelis blew off its masts and antennas, the comm gear was so powerful that Commander William McGonagle could still broadcast a request for assistance to the 6th Fleet.

Sources:
22-Confidential interviews, former officers, US Army
23-confidential interviews, former white house staffer, former members, CIA
24-letters of Miles Copeland, July 22, 1987, from CIA Political Action files, copy provided by source wishing to remain anonymous.
25-ibid
26. Memorandum of William Clark, May 14, 1987, The White House, Top Secret, p.1, declassified version provided by congressional staffer.
27-Confidential interviews, former white house staffer, CIA
28-memorandum of William Clark, p.2
29-Oliver North, crossfire, november 1991.
34- Confidential interviews, former members, a Western intelligence service.

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USS LIBERTY

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“TREASON ON THE HIGH SEAS”
December 9, 2007

BY PHILLIP F. TOURNEY

SURVIVOR OF THE USS LIBERTY

Part one..

As I sit in my office beginning to write my first article for American Free Press newspaper, I look out my window. I see snow covered peaks, nature at its best in Colorado. It calms me to see such beauty and thank God I’m alive with my family. As I start to write, my heart is beginning to race, my palms are sweating. I’m not as comfortable as I was just a few moments ago. I know all of you know the story of the attack on our ship, the USS LIBERTY, by the government of Israel, but it needs to be repeated.

June 8, 1967 I was a 20 year old 3rd class petty officer in damage control at the time of this sneak attack from our so-called ally, Israel. We were identified as American and friendly many hours before the slaughter began at 2:00 P.M.

The Israeli jet aircraft were ruthless and stubborn in their attempt to sink and murder all hands aboard. They hit every antennae on our ship, no accident for sure. The Israeli reconnaissance aircraft took pictures of our ship in the morning hours, nothing was missed. The attacking aircraft dropped napalm on the bridge of our ship to burn us alive.

Soon after the jets were done with us we see 3 motor torpedo boats approaching our ship at a high rate of speed. We then learned who our attackers were.

We saw 3 flags marked with the Star of David. We were in shock because the Israelis were supposed to be our allies! We had had no idea who was attacking us until then. The attacking jet aircraft were unmarked. The torpedo boats maneuvered themselves into a torpedo launch attitude, now come the 5 to 6 torpedoes. The captain was doing his best to maneuver the ship to avoid sudden death. The torpedoes whizzed by our ship, forward and aft with 1 hitting its mark, almost dead mid-ships, blowing to bits 25 American heroes who stood their ground below the water line and accepted their fate, doing their duty for the United States Government.

The torpedo gunboats were not even close to being done with us. The torpedo gunmen shot at our fire fighters and stretcher bearers, anything that moved. They were shooting at our water line to blow up the boilers inside and finish the job of sinking us.

The captain had given the order to abandon ship, as it appeared we were about to roll over. There were 3 life rafts left that were floatable. We put them over the side so we could put our most severely wounded in them to try to save their lives. The torpedo gunmen would have none of that and blew 2 of them out of the water. They took the 3rd raft aboard their boat, seeing it as an obvious trophy for all their hard work. The torpedo gunmen continued their assault until I guess they ran out of ammunition. They circled the ship and left.

Old Glory was still on her mast, 7’ x 13’ holiday colors. We thought the attack was over. Two Israeli helicopters approached our ship with armed gunmen at the ready to finish us off. They were there a short time and left in the same direction they came. We had no idea why they didn’t shoot at us. We wondered if they were finally done with their murderous carnage on a virtually unarmed ship which only had 4 50 caliber machine guns that had been taken out by the jets on the first pass when the attack began.

Little did the crew know that Terry Halbardier, an ET, got off an SOS from an antennae that was not hit by the Israeli heat seeking missiles because it was taken off line due to a malfunction before the attack. The SOS he sent stated we were under attack by unknown jet aircraft. This message was sent out within 15 minutes of the attack and was picked up by the USS SARATOGA and the USS AMERICA. Captain Tully of the USS SARATOGA sent ready aircraft to our aid only to have them recalled. The USS AMERICA also sent rescue aircraft to come to our aid. These life saving planes were recalled not once but twice. These orders came straight from the White House, first from Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and then from President Johnson himself. Johnson said he was not about to attack our “ally”, Israel. How did he know who was attacking our ship when we didn’t even know? Help did not arrive until 18 hours later when the American rescue aircraft could have been there in 15 to 20 minutes driving off the torpedo boats and saving precious American lives.

What remained was a ship with a 40 x 40 foot torpedo hole in her side, 821+ canon and rocket holes, thousands of rounds of fifty caliber armor piercing bullets and napalm that had been burning up our ship. Thirty four American souls were murdered, 173 were wounded, which constituted attempted murder, out of a crew of 294. Two thirds of the crew had been murdered or wounded.

Israel and our government, in this 2 hour attack, had come up with a plan to sink our ship, blame it on Egypt and bring the U.S. into the Six Day War. If this so called accident was so cut and dry, why were all records sealed tighter than Fort Knox? Israel got by with cold-blooded murder and other war crimes and it’s only a matter of time until they do it again, perhaps on a ship off the coast of Iran. Israel controls America’s fate and our elected officials bow to their every whim.

I love my country and will not stand by and let this continue. While there is time, we must do what we can to save our sinking ship of state. In many ways, America today is the USS Liberty after that 2 hour attack taking place 40 years ago. We are badly hit and stand the chance of sinking into the abyss with everyone being lost forever unless something is done immediately. Write your president and congressmen and let them know you know what is going on and you will not fight anymore for Israel. Israel has 300 nukes, so let them take care of themselves. There is nothing, neither in the Middle East nor elsewhere, that is worth one more drop of precious American blood.

The leaders of our country who swore an oath to protect this nation ordered the survivors of the LIBERTY to never repeat this piece of history under penalty of jail or worse. 40 years ago, another nation got away with cold-blooded murder on the high seas, and as an American veteran, let me say this for the record–NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET BY WITH COLD-BLOODED MURDER, AND ESPECIALLY NOT ISRAEL, NOT THEN AND NOT NOW.

The USS LIBERTY VETERANS ASSOCIATION is offering $10,000.00 to anyone who can disprove that our story is the truth. as of this moment, no one from the pro-Israeli crowd has accepted the challenge.

2007 By Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty...




Part two..


2007 By Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty

USS LIBERTY

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Post-Attack on the USS Liberty–Israel’s Blood Bath

December 15, 2007

On the horizon we could see another helicopter coming at our ship. We thought to ourselves “Oh no, here we go again…more bloodshed from our so-called “friends” in Israel.”

The helicopter hovered above the main deck of the ship and then, to our surprise, dropped a brown paper bag containing an orange and, to our even greater surprise–a business card. On the front of the card read ‘Commander Ernest Castle, Naval Attaché USN’ and on the back of the card, handwritten it asked ‘Have you casualties?’…

As if the dummies couldn’t tell we had casualties after what our ‘allies’ had just done to us after a million armor-piercing rounds, a thousand rockets and 5 torpedoes. Rick Aimetti took the card to the bridge and gave it to the Captain, who was obviously in no mood to deal with this new lunacy. He told them clearly to get the hell away from his ship, finishing his remarks with ‘We want no help from you.’

They left the area and soon were out of sight.

There were many heroes that day who put life and limb on the line in order to save their shipmates in harm’s way. I found out later that the boiler tenders never left their battle stations, even though the boiler was Israel’s main target. Israel did her homework ahead of time and knew that a direct hit on the boiler would have blown the ship into tiny pieces and that would have been that. For Gary Brummett, J.P. Newel, Gene Owens, it turned out that their bravery saved our ship.

Now was the time to care for our wounded, damage control, plugging holes, putting out fires, etc. The mess deck was full of men because we were using it as the main triage center. Every table had a body on it, as well as the deck itself and there was almost no room to move…So many wounded were there, so much blood. I and others were the walking wounded and, judging by what we saw, we were very lucky.

We had two corpsmen onboard and only one doctor, Richard Kiepfer. We kept hoping for help from our government, but nevertheless the seconds dragged on like hours and the hours dragged on like years and soon reality set in and we figured out that we were on our own. The heat of the day gave way to the darkness, which was a welcome change, as the blistering heat cooked our crippled ship, making the smell of blood and death all the more impossible to ignore.

I had no idea how that night would change my life forever, but I was about to find out.

The wounded were screaming in pain, bleeding everywhere. Every sailor who could help was doing all he could to calm our fallen shipmates. They had head wounds and bodies full of shrapnel. Lt. Commander Philip Armstrong the (executive officer of the Liberty) was on one of the tables. I stopped to check on him and he asked me to light him a cigarette…I did and gave it to him. He took long drags off it and soon it was gone and he wanted another so I gave it to him. He smoked it the same as he had the first.

As I was talking to him I thought he would be fine. It seemed to me he would make it, but as it turned out, I was wrong. A few moments later he was dead.

I was shocked and saddened but knew that there would be time to weep later, as others needed help. As the night wore on I was told to go to the Officers’ Mess. There I saw Dr. Kiepfer with his life jacket around his waist. Little did I know that his belly had been cut to pieces and he was using the life jacket to keep pressure on his wounds so as not to bleed to death while he tended to the wounded. He never uttered a word of complaint.

My job was to hold a light for Doc Kiepfer as he did his work. While he was working on Gary Blanchard, Gary asked me to take off his socks because he said his ‘feet were burning’. I did as he asked, took his socks off and it seemed to ease him a bit. Doc started cutting him open from his chest bone on down, working as hard as he could, but it was obvious even to me that it was too late. Gary’s kidneys were all shot up and a few moments later he died. This wonderful young man was gone and it was at this point that I began to hate the murderers who did this to us. What did we do to deserve this? This was not the action of a friend, it was like being sucker-punched the way Judas did to Jesus. They had overflown us for hours earlier in the day and knew who we were. We felt safe, and it was at this moment I figured out that what they were really doing was reconnaissance, finding our weak points so as to better kill us.

Doc put a few stitches in him to keep his insides from falling out all over the place and then it was on to the next person. How Doc was able to do what he did was something not human. It was something from another world, and by that I mean probably from heaven, as no human could have done what he did and I will never forget it as long as I live.

The Captain stayed on the bridge and would not take any medical help until the crew was looked after first.

As the sun began to rise Captain wanted his ship cleaned up, and for that Rick Aimetti and I got the gruesome duty. We got pressure to our firehoses and began the grim task that still brings me nightmares. Body parts were all over, blood and a shoe with a foot still in it. We had no clue who it belonged to. We did as we were ordered and began washing the body parts of our American brothers over the side of the ship to be forever interred in the sea. Their families would never get the chance of seeing them at their wake…No lock of hair, no goodbye kiss, nothing. The tears were rolling down my face as I did this unholy thing of giving to the sea my friends and shipmates and as I did this I begged their forgiveness.

The gun tubes were full of blood that a fire hose was not going to remove, as the blood was baked onto the haze gray paint of our ship. Blood was streaming down the starboard bulkhead wall. We made are way down to the main deck and finally, after what seemed to be an eternity, our gruesome job was over. What I had just done has been a burden on my soul everyday for 40 years, which by my math is somewhere close to 15,000 days.

It is now about 10 am and we see American ships on the horizon. At that moment my body gave out and I laid on the deck…I was exhausted… It was hard to move and I felt relieved that help was there but also anger that help did not come when we needed it the most. Where was my country? Where was my navy? Where was my government? How the hell could they do such a thing to 300 men who swore to give their lives if necessary for the defense of America? My world, my faith in everything that I knew growing up had just been shattered like broken glass, and even though I didn’t know it at the time, this was to be the event that changed me forever, like Saul who, while on his way to Damascus to kill the followers of this new religion known as Christianity, was knocked off his horse, blinded and turned into someone and something new.

Little did I know that my work had only just begun. Now, 40 years later, I am here to tell the story of what happened on June 8th, 1967 to nearly 300 American boys onboard a ship known as the USS Liberty when it was attacked by Israel for nearly 2 hours. People may dismiss what I say as the rantings of an angry old man, but given what is taking place today regarding the war in the Middle East and everything that may happen, my suggestion is that–while there is time–people turn off the Britney Spears, the Desperate Housewives and the football games and listen, listen carefully to what happened, as it is likely to happen again, because, as the old saying goes, ‘a leopard does not change its spots.’

Phil Tourney

Survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and contributing editor for American Free Press newspaper