John Titor Your thought? Try to keep it civil and intellectual.

I think Titor was for real.

Most hoaxers hang around to "get off" on what they´ve created. Titor just vanished, kinda like Keyser Soze.

Further, I do think there are multiple realities/timelines and I think the one we´ve been on since the dawn of the Millennium has been nothing but a downward spiral.

Will ALL of what Titor said come true? Probably not. Will some of it? Probably so.

Are we seeing the beginning of Titor´s civil war? I have no doubt.

We are in for interesting times indeed.

I think it is possible that JT is what he said he was. And that JT2 or "David" who posed right here on GLP is also possibly "real". Thus I watch and wait.. and prepare.. but I was doing that anyway.

I just read the book Älas Babylon" which some debunkers say the JT story was based on. The connections are tenuous..debunkers clutching at straws IMO.

You could possibly consider the Federal response to the Katrina disaster as a "Waco" type event....

I don´t know if he was a real time traveller, but I agree so far he has been pretty much exact in all the stuff he said.

I am still amazed because back then in 2000 the world looked like he was directed to a new peaceful long period. International relation where good, a world war really someting of the past, now look at what happened in just 5 years.

I think he´s a invention.

How did he ´know´ that there would be strife in the US 05, in 2001?

Either he is a time traveller or else he was in on the plan, and wanted to confuse.

I encourage all of you to check Titors Febuary postings (I forget the exact day) IN particular where he explains the theory of time travel in reguards to the donut singularity otherwise known as a Kerr/Tippler sinusoid.

Then Compare it to Amos Ori and his model for time travel involveing artificaly created dual singularites used to create a donut singularity.

I emailed Amos Ori P.h.D. about John Titor and Included the text where Titor describes the donut singularity. To my suprise Amos responded saying that his work was different and he refered me to his theory which I had already read which prompted me to email him about it in the first place.

Things is Ori quotes Titor verbatem reguarding the some aspects of the model for time travel. The fact that he disreguarded the verbatem quote out of hand says to me that either A: he plagerised Titors words knowing he could get away with it and in doing so still managed to impress the scientific physics community OR (More likely to me) B he came up with this theory own his own, but once confronted with someone else advanceing the same theory as him before he did, He got scared of loseing the credit for being the first to advance the theory and therefore dismissed it out of hand.

Such is the politics of science.

All the same top Physisicits are agreeing that Amos Ori may be right about his donut singularity leading to time travel.

I liked his ideas and many times i have posted some of his writings. Many things that he said were based on common sense. I have never agreed to his time travel story but he had many resonable and just ideas for the future.
Having said all this, i will never allow myself to ever take sides towards anyone or any country (even my own) without some sense of justice.

Even though i like JT´s thoughts, Here is something very very odd and in my mind totally wrong. Infact in my view it is the single most important prediction that he made(and got it wrong). This prediction and its outcome (one way or another) has/had a global impact. Either way it has effected the influence this prediction had in our world.

Here it is:

The President or (leader) in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

The leader of 2005 now does not apply to Bush. Infact according to Titor the president in 2009 would seem more like Bush.



And here is some of his more intresting writings with explanation. (enjoy)

Titor´s predictions in detail
Early Predictions:

In the interest of evaluating Titor´s claims more precisely, here are some of the slightly less vague predictions that can be derived from his writings.

Predictions:

The following predictions are from johntitor.com, along with the exact quotes on which they are based. It is useful to note that Titor stated that he had no interest in "proving" that he was a time traveler, and many of his "predictions" were offhand comments or answers to specific questions. This section was entered in its original form shortly before the 2004 Presidential election. All Titor quotes in the section are from the www.johntitor.com website, as that site existed in October 2004.

1. The US will go to war with Iraq over claims that the latter has nuclear weapons. These claims would prove to be false.

Relevant Titor quotes:

None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?
Discussion: This quote is often taken as a Titor prediction that is far from obvious and that has come true. It is possible to differ with this interpretation. Linguistically, the "BS" in the statement could refer either to the allegation that Iraq has nukes, or to the notion that this is a recent discovery. It is, of course, the first interpretation that has been confirmed as "BS" ("BS" is American slang is an abbreviation for bullshit, a mild obscenity denoting falsehood). The second interpretation is problematic, however, in that Iraq was not alleged at the time of Titor´s writing to have or to be close to possessing nukes. It is, therefore, difficult to understand how he would come to refer to an allegation that at the time he was writing had not been made. (Such allegations date back to the Osiraq bombing in 1981, but had subsided and were not repeated at the time of writing beyond a few Iraqi dissidents).

Another objection to the legitimacy of the prediction is that the Bush administration did not state that Iraq had nuclear weapons per se, but only that it had weapons of mass destruction of other kinds and was trying to and soon would acquire nukes. It may be that this distinction will not loom large 35 years after the fact, however. It is worth noting that alleged Iraqi possession of nuclear weapons (or even the phrase "weapons of mass destruction," which John used) was not part of the general public discourse at all at the time this statement was allegedly made (early 2001). However, critics add that the Project for the New American Century was developing plans for invading Iraq to oust Saddam as early as 1998.

2. There will be civil unrest during or shortly following the U.S. Presidential election of 2004 that would gradually escalate into civil war in 2005.

Relevant Titor quotes:

There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years.
Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.
[In response to a question about the then-current election dispute of 2000]: I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it´s easier now to see a civil war in your future?
I am curious… will anyone be upset if Florida´s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current "confusion"? [ellipses and quotes in original]
According to the Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and why?
I do however, find it interesting how important the Constitution became to the average US citizen´s life, if even for a short moment.
Discussion: There has been some cavil about Titor stating in one place that the war starts in 2004 and in another in 2005. Since he describes the war as emerging gradually from civil unrest around the election, which occurs in November, this may be overblown. He also seems to suggest that the election will be decided by extraordinary means. The 2004 Election passed with little protest; his prediction of votes being uncounted in Florida might be interpreted as allegations of voter fraud (see 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities). It saw the biggest voter turnout for years, and the race was very close, with one state (Ohio) swinging the votes in Bush´s favor (see U.S. presidential election, 2004). The devastation and ensuing violence in New Orleans as a result of Hurricane Katrina has shades of civil conflict. It remains to be seen if Titor´s predictions of "civil unrest" are true.

3. The civil war as it emerges will pit rural against urban areas, as the government will be able to secure control of the cities, but not the countryside.

Relevant Titor quotes:

When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
4. Around 2008, the population will come to realize that the previous situation in the United States will not be restored.

Relevant Titor quotes:

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.
5. At some time during this period, there will be nuclear war between Middle Eastern powers, apparently between Israel and Islamic powers. A wavering in western support for Israel will precipitate this.

Relevant Titor quotes:

The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel´s neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what´s to come, not the cause.
[question]: How and why do the Arabs Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?
[Titor´s answer]: They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.
[question]: The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?
[Titor´s answer]: Not against America but they are used against each other.
I´m glad to see it´s so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" [sic] and a "no legger".
Discussion: Titor proponents sometimes interpret the last statement as a prediction of suicide bombings.

6. Korea, Taiwan, and Japan will all be conquered by China.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Taiwan, Japan and Korea were all "forcefully annexed" before N Day.
The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand". I´m assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives.
7. In the early 2000´s, work at the CERN laboratory will lay the foundations for time travel.

Relevant Titor quotes:

The one [experiment at CERN] I´m referring to involves very high energies using protons. From my historical perspective on my worldline, I do recall the issue was a point of contention about 18 months ago or so. There were some scientists who thought the experiments were too dangerous to try.
My comments about the CERN lab are in reference to particle accelerators in general and other questions that have come up in the past. The major physics break through for controlled gravity distortion does happen at CERN in your future. Heck, we haven´t even touched on "Z" field compression yet.
A great deal of the theoretical mathematics behind time travel was discovered by testing various ideas in string theory and eliminating the anomalies. As I recall, it was this original work that led to the final proof that six dimensions do indeed curl up to give us our observable universe. This in turn supported more of the theoretical math behind time travel.
8. CJD (mad-cow disease) would grow to become a very serious health issue.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Yes, and people are still dying and a great deal of them are passing from CJD. As I said, with my very first few posts almost 6 months ago, I want to emphasize how devastating this will be.
9. In 2015, Russia will nuke the United States, China, and Europe. Nearly 3 billion people will die. The entire world will be damaged.

Relevant Titor quotes:

The civil war ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities (our enemy), China and Europe.
Russia and China have always had a very strange relationship. Even the news I see now indicates that continued weapons deals to allies, border clashes and overpopulation will lead to hostilities. The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand". I´m assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives. The attack on Europe is in response to a unified European army that masses and moves East from Germany.
10. The genetic modification of food to create hybrid seeds will have deleterious effects. The common American diet of commercially-prepared food has serious health risks that are currently unrecognized.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Yes, genetic engineering is used but it´s like any other technology. It can be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds. What are people thinking?
you willfully eat poisoned food
It´s very hard for me to find food here. It all scares the Hell out of me.
I am amazed at the risks people here are willing to take with processed food. All of the food I eat here is grown and prepared by my family or myself.
11. The many-worlds interpretation (the Everett-Wheeler model) of quantum physics is correct.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Now for the physics: The grandfather paradox is impossible. In fact, all paradox is impossible. The Everett-Wheeler-Graham or multiple world theory is correct. All possible quantum states, events, possibilities and outcomes are real, eventual and occurring. The chances of everything happening someplace at sometime in the superverse is 100%. (For all you scientists out there, if Schroedinger´s cat had a time machine, he might not be in the box at all.)
12. The IBM 5100, a portable computer from the early 1970´s, can read IBM code written before the use of APL and Basic. This, Titor claims, is an undocumented feature.

Relevant Titor quotes:

I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need the system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.
On my worldline, it is known that the 5100 series is capable of reading all the IBM code written before the widespread use of APL and Basic.
In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic. That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, IBM never published that information because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth´s shut.
Titor also indicates that Unix has a date overflow problem in 2038. This is true, but is common knowledge among those interested in such things, so does not count as a prediction.

13 Religion will loom larger in American life, but also decentralize. Sabbatarianism gains popularity.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to God in churches. There are some differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major part of people´s life in 2036. Pain and change tend to bring people together and closer to God. However, religion is far more personal than it is now. There are no huge, centralized religions and people talk openly about their beliefs. It might also interest you to know that the day of worship is Saturday, the day God meant to be the Sabbath and the 10 commandments have been restored to the "10" that God gave us.
14. The future will judge the present harshly.

Relevant Titor quotes:

Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that.

I would remind, however, that John Titor did not make "predictions." He reported on history (as he remembered it) in his timeline.

Many things he said correspond to our "now" while others seem not to fit.

But this timeline stuff is odd to think about.

Maybe there´s a timeline where Kerry won the last election? Maybe one where Gore won in 2000?

Or maybe one where a candidate we´ve never heard of ran and won?

When you think about John Titor and his "predictions," I would encourage you to remember these words from Stephen King´s "The Gunslinger:"

"Go then, there are other worlds than these"

titor is worth investigating


the big problem i have is imagining a civil war in the usa

i think the ppl are in general too fat and soft and lazy to pick up arms and fight

i just cannot see it

now, a race war, that is more likely, but even then i think it would be over quickly just going by the numbers

Let the people get hungry enough, cold enough, frustrated enough and anything is possible.

I can smell discontent on the wind, I feel the frustrations of good men and women everywhere that are fed up with the lies that pass as official news.

Oh, yes...revolution is in the air. Not a revolution against Bush, but a revolution against the systems that are working against us.

It IS coming. It´s closer now...

Let the people get hungry enough, cold enough, frustrated enough and anything is possible.

agreed there

if PTB bring on a mega depression, loss of jobs, real eastate collapses, the dollar massively devalued, oil through the roof

yes, could be unrest

but who will fight against who?

citizens take out their frustration on cops and nat guard? against grunts? i still have a hrad time seeing a civil war

Good question, Anders.

Who against who, indeed.

Could be the blacks against the whites...
The rich against the poor...
The Christians against the Muslims...
The Military against the citizenry...
The North against the South (wait, we already did that one)
OK...the East against the West...

Seriously, though...this nation is SO divided on everything now. It´s like 50/50 on every issue.

Shit, might now be revolution. Could turn into complete anarchy if at leas tsome of these divisions are not "healed"

Interesting times indeed

Old news, it was a hoax. You can buy his book here (as written by "his mother" in our time)

[link to www.amazon.com]

The website is still running...

[link to www.johntitor.com]

Sean(UK)

Forgive me if I insist on contradicting you but I do believe you are wrong and Bush is the leader Titor was referring to.

Take my words into consideration from my (imformed) american point of view.

We have been tricked and maniplulated into a two party system which is what is leading us into our civil war.
Bush is but on facet that divided our country. Talk radio and TV news has also gone along way to further the divide through invokeing fanatisism among the conservitive bush suppoerters. Which is exactly why many of us now refer to them as Neo Cons. Bush attempts to unify the country through facisim which makes the neo cons more rabid followers while at the same exact time drives that wedge into our constitution.
You should spend some time in NeoCon chats watching them glorify thier heroic leader who can do no wrong.


Onto the next president it will be Hillary Clinton. Currenrtly my fellow american are being conditioned to accept this through the massive positive media focus on Bill Clinton Working with George Bush SR. and by our entertainment media with the latest hit series comeing to abc this FALL called comander and cheif which is based on the premise of a woman pesident. When Hillary wins the next (S)election the neo cons will be even more insane and she will have no hope to earn thier support so she will focus on maintaining the support of her democatic party.

Fortunatly she will have an impossible time doing this because as moe time passes more of us true constitutionalist patriots show our fellow americans things like "911 in plane site" and wtc7.net and other programs designed to spotlight the truth of 911 and the war on terror.

We are doomed to another civil war. The federal government saw to that on 911. You don´t commit an act like that relying on the assumption the intelligent wont capable of informing and rallying the stupid.

I think Titor is a hoax simply because of the science.
The M-Theory and String Theory states that time splits into an infinate number of time lines every second. In other words it has been shown through science that there are literally billions of alternate realities all around us, each with a different starting point in time.
The logistics of mapping, traveling back in time and then going back to your original starting point in time, in other words returning to you proper timeline and staying on your string are mind boggling and it´s highly unlikely that problem could be solved in the next 30 years.
Time travel although shown to be scientifically possible would take more energy than we are currently able to produce at any given one time.
I´m not talking small scale energy I´m talking the acumlative of all the energy produced my mankind over a given nymber of years would have to be harnessed in one spot in a nano second.
Ori´s theory does not resemble the way Titor says he moved through time. Ori´s premise involves space flight outside the our solar system. Here´s a quote from the article everyone is touting as Titor´s proof. It should also be noted that nowhere does Ori mention Titor in any of his papers or writings.
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Titor claims to have used a different means.
As far as mass civil unrest in the U.S. in 2005?
That only seems to only really exsist in the conspiracy websites, blogs and message boards around the web.
I see a large galvanizing of the American people and it´s government to help, aid, comfort and shelter the people affected by Katrina.
I found it somewhat of a relief to see that the military has not lost it´s focus of who it is really meant to protect.
If you go back and look you´ll find articles about how military leaders were frustated they were not being allowed in to rescue and get food to the people at the onset of the tradgedy by all the red tape.

Hiya Guys,


Great post and some class replies. Me personally, I still do not know what to believe. I still deep down think it is possible for time travel but in the event of anyone travelling through time it would alter the course of the timeline that you desend upon.

I can see many similarities between Titor and the book "Alas Babylon" but not a direct link, if you like. It´s something which will become clearer over the next five years and definately something worth keeping an eye on.

I have problems imagining a "civil war" but I definately think civil unrest is not far away. I don´t rate the chances of it turning into a war.

I´ll be keeping an eye on this. Keep the great info and opinions coming.

Wee Man

>Recently I have noticed alot of you re-evaluating your Titor belifes due to the events of Katrina.

Katrina has absolutely NO bearing on the Titor hoax.



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AC 9213

That book and link provides no evidence of a hoax. All it does is porpagate the story of Titor.

Also I bet $50 bucks you are a conservitive republican.

Am I right in my assumption AC 9213? Are you a conservitive republican?



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Onto AC 3280

You are either a die hard neo con loyalist or a paid disinformationalist. You quote Ori out of context and dare not show where Titors words matchs Oris´ verbatem feeling confident your C&P will act as diffinitive proof disuading anyone else from comparing Titors´ words to Oris´ words.

As for what happened with Katrina the local and national governments let those people suffer for five days with nothing. Its a moot point. They evacuated the people to the domes left them with no law enforcement the convention center didn´t even have the food and water the super dome had in the first two days.

Now New Orleans is under an un-declared martial law. I have already begun to speak with people sent to New Orleans by their corperation and the conirmed the worst. Dead floating everywhere, people still in dire need of rescue and worst of all NO ONE ENTERS OR LEAVES NEW ORLEANS WITH OUT AUTORIZATION FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD.

As for the dissention in the military..thats a major sign of civil conflict. The military is not allowed to express thier personal opinions publicly. They fight to protect freedom of speech while not enjoying the right of free speech. I know how stupid it sounds but all you have to do is ask any service man and they will confrim what I say. Dissention in the ranks is not allowed, Critizizing the government is not allowed.

The very fact that they are doing it and getting away with it is a bad sign. All of you that come from millitary familes know this.

Titorite..why is it that a person who believes Titor is a hoax is a neo-con loyalist, a Republican or a paid disinformationalist?
I can assure you I´m none of those. In fact I´m quite the opposite. You don´t know me and you have no clue as to what my political leanings are or what I believe or don´t belive in.
Frankly, to be honest, tagging people who don´t agree with your point of view with insulting and degrading monikers is closed minded, ignorant and immature.
I know time travel is possible and will one day be achieved but the overwhelming odds are that it will not be acompished in this century.
The burdon of proof as far as Titor being real is in the hands of the believers and those who doubt him, you can´t prove a negative. Interpretation of Titor´s postings and one PHD´s theory on time travel does not constitute overwhelming and un-impeachable evidence that Titor is real in any way, mean or form.

I don´t suspect you for being a NeoCon Loyalist because you don´t belive Titors story. I suspect you for being a NeoCon Loyalist because you think that civl unrest only exists on conspiracy websites,blogs, and message boards.

And you tout the good job our military has done occuping New Orleans saying your relived to see the military has not lost its focus on who its really meant to protect.

If the national guard wasn´t in Iraq the relife of New Orleans would of gone alot quicker and smoother. Even on the news what guardsmen were there said they good do it better if more of thier own were here instead of there.

And red tape did not stop the military from acting.Orders stoped them from acting. The military follows orders. If they were ordered to sand bag the levee during the hurricane
they would do so. And if the were ordered to be on stand by for intensive evacuation the would wait on stand by. The news media was there from day one so why wasn´t our military?


I think you may be a disinformationalist because you cut and paste the small bit of Oris theory that supports your statement rather then the whole thing OR the relavent Titor quote.

Then you quote string theory incorrectly saying the logistics of mapping timelines is impossible because of the billions of timeline...Well first there isn´t billions of timelines, there is infinite timelines. Second, Titor clearly stated that he could not return to his exact timeline but would be returning to one close to his with a 2% divergence from his own.

So your information is selective and misleading with omissions.



The burdon of proof as far as Titor being real is a matter of time. What believers or doubters say is irrelavent as only time will be the true authority.

Finaly I only mentioned one P.h.D. there are more then a few who agree that titors physics were correct.

Remember Titors two groups the unconcerned and the concerned by 2036 the first group is dead the second is trying to hang on. which group are you in?

There´s some ´new´ Titor pics in the user photo album. Titor posed an enigma- thus the debate today. The cutaway of the GE Time Displacement Unit seems professionally done. Perhaps there was disinformation placed under Titor´s name. He got some things right...such as Iraq and voting fraud. Remember he said that we were going to be nuked by the Ruskies...but they were on ´our´ side. Jacksonville, FL = big target. Remember what his mission was? It was to obtain an old IBM computer.

I have always entertained the idea of what if?
What if we did obtain alien technology from Roswell/wherever?
What if that technology was reverse engineered to advance our present technology?
What if IBM had reverse engineered alien computer technology built into their early computers?
Maybe perhaps a computing language...what do aliens use?....fortran? I don´t know, but the idea intrigues me.

everyone´s been carrying their own water lately

4215

do you recall if Titor mentioned WHEN the JAX nuke detonated?

I live in JAX, and agree it is a likely target.

"My first experience with war came when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen. In the 4 years I served as a "rebel", I watched hundreds of people get shot, burn and bleed to death. I know exactly where I was and every detail of the exact moment the first nuclear warheads began falling on Jacksonville. I know the pain and regret of not acting soon enough to enjoy a relationship as a loved one dies of brain cancer from a war that gained nothing."

when was he "born", 1998?

must have meant 2015.

well, that gives me 10 years.

Social commentator with a time travel gimmick to get a wider audience. Plain and simple, I fail to believe so few have been able to discern this!

Ok people. This is the bottom line about Titor. LISTEN UP.

This is the end all, be all TRUTH about Titor. How? Because lets just say I "know".

-Titor was based on a book Alas, Babylon.
-It was also based on an old computer game.
-It was based on about 4 people´s idea of the future.
-2 of the people are extremely well versed and read in alternative archaeology. Mayan Calendar, Cayce, Nostradamus etc.

They took all these things and knowledge and put together a good story.

The time machine was made out of an old ammo box.
1 of the students/hoaxers was a physics major at a big college. He had been monitoring recent proposed ideas and tests at Cern and knew it was coming.
The father of the physics student was a programmer for IBM for years.

Please take these facts and run with them. They are the truth. You all have been duped for all these years. They may have made some guesses and were right. Some were wrong.

Keep that in mind.

Ok people. This is the bottom line about Titor. LISTEN UP.

This is the end all, be all TRUTH about Titor. How? Because lets just say I "know".

-Titor can´t return to the future
-There are MANY time travelers in the present
-They are here to escape a dying planet
-It´s not titorites, it´s "tities"

The book ´Alas, Babylon´ was required reading when I was in High School many years back. I fail to see any similarities other than a nuclear war. That book was heavy, hurt my head.

3 years is an awfuly long time to be pulling off a prank. Remember Titor First faxed Art Bell in 98.

But hey if you really "know" and want to put the beast to bed go over to www.stratigicbrain.johntitor.com There the have a test set up through Pam. Titor told her to remember a certian song. She never shared with anyone what song it was. Just put your guess in the box and it will be forwarded to her and you can come crawling back here to further claim your more "proof" titor is a hoax with your hersay.

Simply cause you "know"

is titor a name