Useless slaveholding eaters? Federal Reserve Violate the 13th Amendment's Prohibition against 'Involuntary Servitude?'

Uhm, a central bank is logical. The alternative is having many small banks issuing their own notes, there are so many problems with that.

Since we are living in the greatest time in human history, unless you like being amish. We have the internet, the ability to fly through the air, and access to every type of food in the world. Of course people react to this news as horrible.

Because somehow a central bank is evil, they don't think about the alternative.
The thesis of this video is incredibly stupid. Most people watching this video are sitting at home watching on a magic communication system probably shoving ice cream in their faces... they are acting as if they are in some coal mine being beaten by a cruel slave driver. They are acting as if they don't have the freedom to express idiotic dissatisfaction with our imperfect system.

Not enough money for the average person... what the hell....

This is the stupidest video ever.. we live in the wealthiest time in human history... again look at the things you have.. and what they do such as fly call anyone in the world from anywhere in the world, eat foods from all over the world...you are living better then a king in the 1900s... do not concern yourself with magic pieces of paper.

WHA WHA WHA WHA... MY GOLDEN TOILET IS NOT GOLD ENOUGH..

You really do not need to answer my question, but I hope you watch the film and think about people who actually get paid every penny on the dollar for making your money.

It takes a penny to make a hundred dollar note (of course its even less than that because it begins as electronic currency), but they are paid one-hundred dollars. This is your national debt. Think about if you were paid one hundred dollars for every penny you spent. It is highway robbery. This is your federal reserve.

Your money actually is created to make someone else rich, but if the government made it instead, it would be debt free, and the cost of making it would only be the penny to print the note (really less since we are talking about electronic currency).

Do you get it? The Federal Reserve (a private club of trillionairs) makes their own money out of nothing. They do not provide value, they are useless.

I suppose you like paying private people every penny on the dollar for making money, instead of simply having the government issue it without private debt. It is highway robbery, and your platitudes are distracting. This would be a much greater country without the reserve. You must like giving money to wealthy people. Why don't you cut a check for Rockefeller and send it to him?

And no...You can have a central bank, it simply must not be private nor issue the currency as debt.

The federal reserve is private and only issues money with a debt obligation.

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In a debt based fiat currency anyone can create more debt, in a specific hard currency, someone always ends up getting most of it and hoarding it leaving nothing in circulation for regualr commerce. I guess you could barter.

It really does not matter, it is pieces of paper. If you feel you need them to get by, good for you... you can make as much or as little as you like depending on your ability. Anyone who wants to get by is 'forced' to do something productive for the whole. Or you can do nothing and collect food stamps. Counter productive activity is punished.

If you feel the system is lacking, educate yourself make good arguments, and change the system. Changing the fed to something else though, will not change human nature...

When the government issues money, without private debt based currency, then the extra completely unnecessary step of privately issued debt (taxpayer owed) is removed, thus removing the national debt. Then you are left with a normal loan system. The Federal Reserve are simply unnecessary parasites.

You are confused.

Sir, the federal reserve does worse than "nothing", they steal. They add an uneccessary step to the issuance of money which costs the tax payers trillions and gives the federal reserve parasites money for nothing (trillions). So you agree, they should be punished?

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it’s issuance.” – James Madison



‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..’ – - Thomas Jefferson – Third President of the United States and primary architect of the US Constitution



“We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it”. – Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (Louis T. McFadden was assassinated)


“The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it’s profits or so dependent on it’s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.” — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863



“While boasting of our noble deeds we’re careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery. – Horace Greeley Editor, New York Tribune

Very useful quotes. I think Rothschild's quote is deliberately, on his part, incomplete. There are people and even countries who fight against the parasitic trillionaires (federal reserve), but they are crushed by the trillion dollar armies, the John Wilkes Boothes, the media, etc.

I suggest anyone interested in this topic, check out a well aged thread:

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Again I really don't care.. I don't propose to change human nature. When I go to the carnival and play the win a ticket games, I do not expect to come out ahead, nore do I blame the carnival owners. I simply enjoy the games.

OK. Then keep paying the unnecessary national debt to private trillionaires for the rest of your life. When it starts to bother you, get back to me.

I think it does. Are the Federal Reserve 'Useless eating slaveholders?"

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Inspiration for this thread comes from Comedian's thread on the Rothschilds.

Thread: *** PIN IT!!!!**** Rothschild Documentary - Banksters vs. Earth! (Page 10)

I began a new thread, because I am suggesting a possible solution under the 13th Amendment, which prohibits "involuntary servitude."

Read the post, watch the movie, and tell me what you think!



The federal reserve is perhaps the most independent of all the federal agencies and you shills hate that you cannot exert control over them.

I'd love to, but the original 4 videos posted were removed by the user. Go figure.

It never will bother me. Again it's simply paper. If you don't want to opt in, grow your own food, be self sufficient. Or collect food stamps. If you want to play parker brothers monopoly, learn the rules. They are logical if you understand human nature.

Read through it... start on page 8 for synopsis.

Unfortunately, Google removed the videos I believe. Someone has reposted the videos... sorry, the links are somewhere in the 60+ pages.

Again, this thread is WELL WORTH READING.

Have a good day.

Thanks. I'll take another look.

You are silly. People take your money and you do not care, even though you opted into the system. Your logic takes you down a road to further exploitation, and depending on which side you are on, the exploited or the exploiter, you are in for some awakening. If a man was upstream and taking your water, even though he moved in after you, you would move. If the man had the power of the federal reserve, and you could not afford to move, you would be thirsty. Your argument is one of complete silliness. If you walked home and corporate thugs took your groceries from you, you'd say oh well I'll grow my own. If they took those you'd say, oh well I'm just gonna be self sufficient. The more they take, the harder you work, the more they enjoy the fruits of your labor. Sad life. It allows governments to fight needless wars in your name, for global dominance,etc.

It is 100% voluntary for you to use Federal Reserve Credit.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul (Page 8)

YOU choose to be a part of their system, every time you endorse it with your signature on a deposit, withdrawal, check, signature card.

Read the thread, read it again, then look into the law:

"Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank. " [link to www.law.cornell.edu]

And, there is no law against "voluntary servitude" only "INVOLUNTARY servitude".

Stop volunteering and they will stop acting and treating you like a servant (peon).

You're making a great number of assumptions about me. I will tell you that many people link money to the territorial 'circuits' found in the mammal brain.

I do not believe anyone is coming to 'take my food from me', that is an irrational fear. I do not believe the Fed exists to "take my food away". If you think about what you have said on a very primal level you will understand the basis of this kind of thinking you are displaying.

These are called analogies or extrapolations regarding your thinking. What you state is that you are ok with someone (the federal reserve) taking more than their fair share, creating the national debt, and asking the tax payer to pay them for their worthless service. It is an inane argument to then say, hey, like it or leave it. You sound far more like someone who is benefitting from the disfunctional system.

It could be that I am one of the 'food takers'.

But again you are placing value on things which are irrelevant to me, I link the successes of the financial system(and there are failures) to a lot of the modern technology we have today.
I know that wealthy people like to have their comforts and crazy things like GPS, which now everyone has. You might go back to the middle ages and say. how dare the wealthy spend money on curry powder and fine salt, that no common man can afford, but now these are things we all take for granted. What gives them the right, often that right is education, or superior knowledge, or brute force.


I perceive there are laws which balance the injustice you are pointing to, which I do understand. So im suggesting even though some have many many pieces of paper, in the end everyone ends up with fine curries and salts it just takes time.

Had no one had the insane amount money to "waste" to send out ships to distant lands to find these things no one would have fine curries and salts. You do benefit by it, even if it seems mundane.

Nature laws, and human nature.

It is not my intention to invalidate your argument, but more point you to the fact there is another side with valid points.

5 stars and a pin OP, but here's the real problem:

We are dealing with the mob.

The federal regime does not recognize any law that interferes with its goals or continuing, expanding power.

This will only be stopped by death on a massive scale.
Their side, or ours.

There is no "law" any longer. Only force of will and superior firepower.

Hmmmm....they have superior fire power.

Does everything have to come back to Salt? Yes I read the history of Salt, I read the Rum Island histories. I read how captains kept the cure to scurvy (lemon and lime juice) to themselves so the rest of their crew would die before they returned to port.

No. You are just reciting history as it was to justify further human indignities, pain and death.

Historical cruelty combined with some progress does not justify further cruelty. It took 500 freaking years to develop a decent spring clock for navigation. Now with more minds on the job we are developing the equivalent of a spring clock every day. This is not due to takers, this is due to human beings working together for the greater good. The banksters and Illuminati are thriving on an outdated and severely flawed parasitic fluke. Much suffering occurred then as now due to the "elite" wars, depressions, famines, etc. They believe they guide humanity when in fact all they left was suffering and arrested development in their wake.

I think it does. Are the Federal Reserve 'Useless eating slaveholders?"

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Inspiration for this thread comes from Comedian's thread on the Rothschilds.

Thread: *** PIN IT!!!!**** Rothschild Documentary - Banksters vs. Earth! (Page 10)

I began a new thread, because I am suggesting a possible solution under the 13th Amendment, which prohibits "involuntary servitude."

Read the post, watch the movie, and tell me what you think!





On that basis Americans could come together,and possibly legally turn this all around. The corporations of yesterday had the best attorneys in America rape the citizens and suppress all opposition. All we need is numbers, and tomorrows greatest attorneys.

At some point we will either succumb to the pressure, or stand up for what we believe in... our nation and our future. This should be a national movement.

I think it does. Are the Federal Reserve 'Useless eating slaveholders?"

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Inspiration for this thread comes from Comedian's thread on the Rothschilds.

Thread: *** PIN IT!!!!**** Rothschild Documentary - Banksters vs. Earth! (Page 10)

I began a new thread, because I am suggesting a possible solution under the 13th Amendment, which prohibits "involuntary servitude."

Read the post, watch the movie, and tell me what you think!

You can go to public land now and grow crops and eat food that grows freely and not have to work for money or pay taxes.

Granted, you can't build a permanent structure, but it still is possible.

Yes, the captains would be a good point about human nature. You seem to think abolishing the fed would make "it" go away. "It" would just manifest in some other way.

I'm almost sure you are thriving on the back of third world labor, and food picked by illegal immigrants, and using petroleum obtained by foreign wars, what makes you so different?

What courses of action are you suggesting?

Humanity is guided by it's nature, and natural laws, it is not a thing one person does, but how the environment shapes people. It is the same thing, over and over.