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Children of the Atom User ID: 1386949 United States 06/04/2011 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? It is because brotherhood is dead. Much like every other social construct. We only have thugs, gangsters and whores. On ALL levels. Think about it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1286514 Netherlands 06/04/2011 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? It's just you Americans. |
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FubarMan User ID: 1410708 United States 06/04/2011 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? It is because brotherhood is dead. Much like every other social construct. We only have thugs, gangsters and whores. On ALL levels. Think about it. It does not pay to be genuine. In the old days people did not have the nets, and cell phones, what they did have was integrity proven by their word. To have that reputation you had to have congruence between words and actions. The brotherhood recognized you for this and it was esteemed. Now bitches, hos and thug life is glorified. Or lets say a less desirable subsection of society with their narcissistic anti-social traits are now the new "Brotherhood." What used to be rejected and abnormal is the new accepted norm. Shallow self-centered narcissism. |
Woodsprite User ID: 1410839 United States 06/04/2011 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? It is because brotherhood is dead. Much like every other social construct. We only have thugs, gangsters and whores. On ALL levels. Think about it. It does not pay to be genuine. In the old days people did not have the nets, and cell phones, what they did have was integrity proven by their word. To have that reputation you had to have congruence between words and actions. The brotherhood recognized you for this and it was esteemed. Now bitches, hos and thug life is glorified. Or lets say a less desirable subsection of society with their narcissistic anti-social traits are now the new "Brotherhood." What used to be rejected and abnormal is the new accepted norm. Shallow self-centered narcissism. I agree with what you are saying Fubar...it's the 'brotherhood', of Humanity that has taken a dive and been replaced by what was once NOT accepted behaviour. I personally see the change in Humans happening, because our 'way of life' has changed. Used to be we had to depend on each other to SURVIVE. A lie could easily mean the death of another, if we did not follow thru on our 'promise'( handshake). Now, life is much more centered around being 'independant' from one another, we are all isolated, and have become extremly selfish. People do not 'know' each other like we used to. We don't go into the same town/store every day/week, see the same people, for years...get to know each other as individuals...we don't even really 'know' our neighbor living next door, or a few doors away anymore. It's real easy to lie/decieve/rip-off a 'stranger' ,than it is someone that you have an emotional connection with. If you never have to see the pain/loss caused by your deception, it makes it endlessly easier to keep on doing it. There is no 'down side' for these people, because they just go to another area, another person, and never have to see the consequences of their actions. It's much like the 'corporate mentality ' has taken root in Individuals now, and that is the new 'accepted' way of dealing with others. On the non business side of the coin, I think people wear the mask to try and 'fit in'. So many just aren't comfortable with who they really are, and find themselves pretending to be what they believe others expect them to be, or want them to be percieved as. Our Society has taken the turn that the beauty of being an 'individual', is 'dangerous', and all 'non-conformers' must be 'pressed in the mold' until they 'fit' comfortably into the new paradiem(sp?). It's killing us on a Soul level...people becoming 'dead inside'. After a while, they just give up trying to be a unique individual, or they just don't make it in life. It really is sad to see the way our Society has degraded, what it has become. There is no where left that honesty, integrity is not only expected, but the norm. It has now become the new norm to be dishonest, uncaring, self centered, and greedy. |
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<<LOOK`n thru YOU>> User ID: 922574 United States 06/04/2011 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was born and raised in a small town...still live in that same small town for a reason..PEOPLE ARE REAL...neighbors and friends still help eachother out and watch eachothers`s backs...if somebody gets gravely ill the whole town pulls together...we accept people for who they are no matter what their personality is...We have one bar in our town and it`s the coolest damn bar I`ve ever been too and I have been to many...Good down to earth people who always meet ya with a hand shake and a smile... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292002 United States 06/04/2011 06:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's think about thie soecial mores that lead to fakeness by behavior modificiation. Firstly with women. They are made to dress as something they aren't, something that would resemble a whore in anther era. They must shave all visible body hair from calves, bikini line and armpits, much like a working hooker would have appeared. Then they are encouraged to wear makeup which is essentially creating a fake face that is more appealing sensually. Then they are admired for wearing high heels, even with the bottoms painted the same red color as was worn in the red light district of Paris. This is so that their walk is minced and butts protrude to make them more sexually objectified. Then you have the nearly socially madatory bra. This only lifts, enhances and displays the breast in such a way that the womean is viewed not as a mother but as a freak with huge female characteristics that are to be hidden and yet flaunted. So you end up with women appearing completely fake and having an image that is merely seductive and not reflecting of the woman's true nature. So now the women have to compensate psychologically by acting somewhat fake and coquettish to make up for the costume they are thrurst in. That leaches onto the men and children who have to deal with them. The men judge the women as fake and start declining in their own honesty and decency to compensate. Then the kids see that their parents are fakes, so they just run wild and only think of themselves. Then you have a whole society ruined to enhance the sales of razor, lingerie and makeup mnufacturerers. Don't doubt that that is a million or even billion dollar industry all together. People are not accepted for who they really are. They are judged constantly. This leads to them adapting by adopting alternate personas, ones that are uncomcortable and don't really fit. |
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drinking buddy User ID: 1288791 United States 06/04/2011 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too live in a small town, have lived in few now. They vary from the place that was so afraid i might dilute their gene pool that no one would shake my hand during church to a place where i helped set up a community of people who looked out for each other in amazing ways. I think it is easy to be not real behind the screen, whether it be a computer or a cell phone. Media feeds us the idea of yet a more celluloid persona. I have long categorized people as 'real/not real' when i meet them. It is probably unwise to judge and sometimes (but rarely) i find i have been wrong on my first impression. My definition of real is like that in the story of.the velveteen rabbit. It truly has to do with what is inside the person. It takes more time to figure out via this medium and there is always potential for someone to become real. "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
drinking buddy User ID: 1288791 United States 06/04/2011 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry new nook! Last Edited by drinking buddy on 06/04/2011 07:57 AM "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
drinking buddy User ID: 1288791 United States 06/04/2011 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by drinking buddy on 06/04/2011 07:58 AM "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
drinking buddy User ID: 1288791 United States 06/04/2011 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ugh. Record for duplicate posts. Last Edited by drinking buddy on 06/04/2011 07:59 AM "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
drinking buddy User ID: 1288791 United States 06/04/2011 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by drinking buddy on 06/04/2011 08:01 AM "Violence simply is not radical enough, since it generally changes only the rulers but not the rules. What use is a revolution that fails to address the fundamental problem: the existence of domination in all its forms, and the myth of redemptive violence that perpetuates it?" - Walter Wink |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1408706 United States 06/04/2011 08:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have to be careful who you deal with. different people may be trusted with dif. things. some are untrustworthy emotionally but won't rip you off for money, and vise versa. some can keep a secret, some can't. it's too bad things are the way they are, but you just have to keep on top of the game and deal with it best you can. |
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BRIEF User ID: 1403719 United States 06/04/2011 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? In a word: Selfishness I'm a real person man... You can take my word to the bank... I raised three more just like me...Men of integrity, men of selflessness...Men of honor. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Gradient (OP) Get over yourself User ID: 891684 United States 06/04/2011 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Throwing out a Saturday morning topic..... Quoting: GradientWhy is it that it seems everyone these days is always someone else? It seems that there is an underlying motive or personality that always rears in the times when doors are finally being opened. Are the days of the handshake deal really gone? If not, where are these people that mean what they say and say what they mean? Trust, to humanities detriment, has become a multifaceted term that at one time meant something. Something that was attached to a length of time. These days, it's 'trust while convenient'. Don't hand out something whole, unless you are ready to get it back in jagged pieces, tied to mendacious reasoning. "Let's make a deal", "I'll pay you back", "I mean what I say" Why is this getting so bad? In a word: Selfishness I'm a real person man... You can take my word to the bank... I raised three more just like me...Men of integrity, men of selflessness...Men of honor. Like before, it may be just that simple Brief. Maybe on my part for expecting differently. I have to be open to that too. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1182997 United States 06/04/2011 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ethics are boundaries. And fewer and fewer ethics are being handed down with each generations parents as they allow their offspring fewer moral restraints/principles then their elders allowed them. Add this with everyone getting what they want now as kids and its a vicious selfish spiral. Quoting: Havok^^^ THIS^^^ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1145382 United States 06/04/2011 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I witness average everyday people all the time who mimic politicians and famous people (who have press agents), with the way that they create an image. They especially use the 'damage control' technique. The theory behind damage control is to put a new slant on a bad behavior or event to make yourself not look bad. Confession of weakness tends to work well, if people feel sorry for you they forgive you. So, forget your pride and grovel. If they have a disagreement with someone they have to get out there and put the word out on the street first that they are the good guy and not to blame. He who remains silent and keeps a conflict to himself is now labeled the guilty party. According to a book I read, whoever 'defines' the situation and themselves, is the winner. Everyone has to act really brave when something negative happens. Have cancer? Act like it's nothing and stay at your desk until you die. Kids have problems (like drug use, criminal behavior, dropping out of school)? Tell everyone you meet about it and how you are getting help for them because they are 'special'. By the time they are through, people should think they are the greatest parent ever born and their little druggie kid is special and wonderful. Death in the family? No crying at the funeral. That only makes you a whiner. You put on a brave face and celebrate the person's life, not mourn their death. The goal is to return to 'normalcy', sometimes even before the funeral. My pet peeve? No handshakes anymore. Hugs. Hugs for people you just met for the first time for a couple of hours. 'Cause we all just love each other, ya know?, even if we don't know each other. It's just a phony world and getting phonier all the time. |
Gradient (OP) Get over yourself User ID: 891684 United States 06/04/2011 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I witness average everyday people all the time who mimic politicians and famous people (who have press agents), with the way that they create an image. They especially use the 'damage control' technique. The theory behind damage control is to put a new slant on a bad behavior or event to make yourself not look bad. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145382Confession of weakness tends to work well, if people feel sorry for you they forgive you. So, forget your pride and grovel. If they have a disagreement with someone they have to get out there and put the word out on the street first that they are the good guy and not to blame. He who remains silent and keeps a conflict to himself is now labeled the guilty party. According to a book I read, whoever 'defines' the situation and themselves, is the winner. Everyone has to act really brave when something negative happens. Have cancer? Act like it's nothing and stay at your desk until you die. Kids have problems (like drug use, criminal behavior, dropping out of school)? Tell everyone you meet about it and how you are getting help for them because they are 'special'. By the time they are through, people should think they are the greatest parent ever born and their little druggie kid is special and wonderful. Death in the family? No crying at the funeral. That only makes you a whiner. You put on a brave face and celebrate the person's life, not mourn their death. The goal is to return to 'normalcy', sometimes even before the funeral. My pet peeve? No handshakes anymore. Hugs. Hugs for people you just met for the first time for a couple of hours. 'Cause we all just love each other, ya know?, even if we don't know each other. It's just a phony world and getting phonier all the time. Haha, you raise a few things that I have thought about before. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
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