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THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE THE JAPANESE ENGINEERS WHO DESIGNED FUKUSHIMA SITE.

 
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THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE THE JAPANESE ENGINEERS WHO DESIGNED FUKUSHIMA SITE.
Millions and million of people are going to die from cancer because of the Fukushima Catastrophe.

The engineers that designed the site that is over forty years old placed the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched if a three meter tsunami struck the site. Four meter tsunami's are quite common in Japan because of all of the offshore earthquakes.

They designed the sea walls for a two meter tsunami. A good rule of thumb for the run up (on shore rush) from a tsunami is add a ZERO and count in feet. Thus a two meter tsunami can cause a run up over 20 feet. A three meter tsunami can cause a run up of 30 feet and a four meter tsunami can cause a run up of 40 feet. The fact that a tsunami did not hit Fukushima in the past forty years is a miracle from God. God, or Budda or just Luck gave the Japanese 40 years in which to correct their mistake but they never did.

Not only did they put the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched and knocked out by a 4 foot tsunami, but they put the motor controllers and most of the motors for the whole plant where they could be flooded by sea water.

Not only that but they put their instrumentation wiring in underground conduits where they could be flooded by water if the insulation had any minor defects in it. Guess what? It did!

Not only that but they designed the reactor control stations so that they were co-joined. In an accident in one or the other plant that released high radiation levels they would have to abandon BOTH control centers, which is what happened.

Not only that but they only had one source of outside electricity from the Japanese grid to the plant. When that line went down in the earthquake they lost power to the plant. The most serious accident you can have with a Nuclear power plant is loss of electrical power. When you consider that Millions of lives are at stake, how come in the past forty years did it not occur to TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) to run back up lines from other sources to Fukushima? 40 Fukin years to realize that they needed another emergency source of Electrical Power from the Power Company (Which was TEPCO) and not one Fukin engineer realized how Fukin stupid the original engineers were.

What The Fuk! (WTF!)

I could go on and on and on and on, but you get the point.
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I thought the plant design was a General Electric design?
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on purpose like the shitty halliburton concrete casing at deepwater horizon ..?
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just cutting corners?
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General Electric did Design Dumbass!


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I thought the plant design was a General Electric design?
 Quoting: Mr. Allardyce

The Reactor Plant was a GE design.
The Site was a Japanese design.
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Correction:
GLP posters and readers are by far dumber than any engineer.
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I remember Joe just a couple months ago, telling us that this was no big problem.

Remember that Joe?
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Correction:
GLP posters and readers are by far dumber than any engineer.
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I sure am. I'm a talking eggplant on my best days.
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Re: THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE THE JAPANESE ENGINEERS WHO DESIGNED FUKUSHIMA SITE.
Millions and million of people are going to die from cancer because of the Fukushima Catastrophe.

The engineers that designed the site that is over forty years old placed the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched if a three meter tsunami struck the site. Four meter tsunami's are quite common in Japan because of all of the offshore earthquakes.

They designed the sea walls for a two meter tsunami. A good rule of thumb for the run up (on shore rush) from a tsunami is add a ZERO and count in feet. Thus a two meter tsunami can cause a run up over 20 feet. A three meter tsunami can cause a run up of 30 feet and a four meter tsunami can cause a run up of 40 feet. The fact that a tsunami did not hit Fukushima in the past forty years is a miracle from God. God, or Budda or just Luck gave the Japanese 40 years in which to correct their mistake but they never did.

Not only did they put the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched and knocked out by a 4 foot tsunami, but they put the motor controllers and most of the motors for the whole plant where they could be flooded by sea water.

Not only that but they put their instrumentation wiring in underground conduits where they could be flooded by water if the insulation had any minor defects in it. Guess what? It did!

Not only that but they designed the reactor control stations so that they were co-joined. In an accident in one or the other plant that released high radiation levels they would have to abandon BOTH control centers, which is what happened.

Not only that but they only had one source of outside electricity from the Japanese grid to the plant. When that line went down in the earthquake they lost power to the plant. The most serious accident you can have with a Nuclear power plant is loss of electrical power. When you consider that Millions of lives are at stake, how come in the past forty years did it not occur to TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) to run back up lines from other sources to Fukushima? 40 Fukin years to realize that they needed another emergency source of Electrical Power from the Power Company (Which was TEPCO) and not one Fukin engineer realized how Fukin stupid the original engineers were.

What The Fuk! (WTF!)

I could go on and on and on and on, but you get the point.
 Quoting: JoeNeubarth


Too bad General Electric USA helped design the site.
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Correction:
GLP posters and readers are by far dumber than any engineer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011642


What about engineers that post on GLP?
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I thought the plant design was a General Electric design?
 Quoting: Mr. Allardyce

The Reactor Plant was a GE design.
The Site was a Japanese design.
 Quoting: JoeNeubarth


The reactor, the pumps, the piping, the motors, and all that stuff was designed to GE specs.

How they placed all that crap was up to the Japanese site engineers. GE never told the Japanese to put the EDGs and their controllers and auxiliary pumps and their controllers and the instrumentation and the cable runs below sea level behind a useless 23 foot sea wall.

GE never told the Japanese to only supply one source of emergency electrical grid power. None of the grossly stupid things that the Japanese did were ordered by GE. They did all that crazy crap all by themselves.
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Millions and million of people are going to die from cancer because of the Fukushima Catastrophe.

The engineers that designed the site that is over forty years old placed the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched if a three meter tsunami struck the site. Four meter tsunami's are quite common in Japan because of all of the offshore earthquakes.

They designed the sea walls for a two meter tsunami. A good rule of thumb for the run up (on shore rush) from a tsunami is add a ZERO and count in feet. Thus a two meter tsunami can cause a run up over 20 feet. A three meter tsunami can cause a run up of 30 feet and a four meter tsunami can cause a run up of 40 feet. The fact that a tsunami did not hit Fukushima in the past forty years is a miracle from God. God, or Budda or just Luck gave the Japanese 40 years in which to correct their mistake but they never did.

Not only did they put the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched and knocked out by a 4 foot tsunami, but they put the motor controllers and most of the motors for the whole plant where they could be flooded by sea water.

Not only that but they put their instrumentation wiring in underground conduits where they could be flooded by water if the insulation had any minor defects in it. Guess what? It did!

Not only that but they designed the reactor control stations so that they were co-joined. In an accident in one or the other plant that released high radiation levels they would have to abandon BOTH control centers, which is what happened.

Not only that but they only had one source of outside electricity from the Japanese grid to the plant. When that line went down in the earthquake they lost power to the plant. The most serious accident you can have with a Nuclear power plant is loss of electrical power. When you consider that Millions of lives are at stake, how come in the past forty years did it not occur to TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) to run back up lines from other sources to Fukushima? 40 Fukin years to realize that they needed another emergency source of Electrical Power from the Power Company (Which was TEPCO) and not one Fukin engineer realized how Fukin stupid the original engineers were.

What The Fuk! (WTF!)

I could go on and on and on and on, but you get the point.
 Quoting: JoeNeubarth


General Electric designed the reactors dumbass.
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I remember Joe just a couple months ago, telling us that this was no big problem.

Remember that Joe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1421289

I remember reporting that the Japanese and the Japanese government were denying the claims that Reactor three had exploded in a nuclear explosion. I still deny it. Why do you lie like that?
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General Electric designed the reactors ....
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Absolutely! They did design the reactors. BUT they did not tell the Japanese how to build their site.
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Per wikipedia about Fukushima nuke plants

Architectural design for General Electric's units was done by Ebasco.

That's an American construction company. I guess their criteria wasn't exactly fleshed out very well.

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The Electric Bond and Share Company was originally a holding company that sold securities of electric utilities. It was created by General Electric in 1905. The company was restructured after the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935. Later known as EBASCO Services, it provided engineering consulting and construction services. Among other projects EBASCO designed nuclear power plants. EBASCO was sold to Raytheon in 1993 and became part of a Raytheon subsidiary, United Engineers and Constructors.
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It was probably cheaper that way, I'm sure the engineers knew exactly what they were doing. The plant had an original projected life-span of 40 years.
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Correction:
GLP posters and readers are by far dumber than any engineer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011642


Yeah, well, GLP poster could have designed a plant site that would have withstood the quake AND tsunami:

How's this for stupid:
1. Don't put the pump motors underground where they can be flooded by the tsunami.
2. Don't store the fuel tanks for the pumps above ground, in the path of the tsunami where they can get washed out to sea.
3. Don't store the fuel rods on the roof, where water has to be forcefully sprayed to reach it, as you may not have power or running water after a quake.
4. Construct a concrete irrigation channel from the ocean to the site. That way, when the surrounding area is in rubble and the firetrucks casn't get through, you can just open the floodgates and let the water cool the site. This is especially handy if your fuel rods are stored in the lower level, like they're supposed to be.

Okay, so, I'm just a Mom, never studied nuclear physics, and I just came up with four ideas, any one of which could have prevented or lessened the disaster.

GLP'ers are dumber than any engineer, eh? Don't think so...
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Millions and million of people are going to die from cancer because of the Fukushima Catastrophe.

The engineers that designed the site that is over forty years old placed the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched if a three meter tsunami struck the site. Four meter tsunami's are quite common in Japan because of all of the offshore earthquakes.

They designed the sea walls for a two meter tsunami. A good rule of thumb for the run up (on shore rush) from a tsunami is add a ZERO and count in feet. Thus a two meter tsunami can cause a run up over 20 feet. A three meter tsunami can cause a run up of 30 feet and a four meter tsunami can cause a run up of 40 feet. The fact that a tsunami did not hit Fukushima in the past forty years is a miracle from God. God, or Budda or just Luck gave the Japanese 40 years in which to correct their mistake but they never did.

Not only did they put the Emergency Diesel Generators where they could be douched and knocked out by a 4 foot tsunami, but they put the motor controllers and most of the motors for the whole plant where they could be flooded by sea water.

Not only that but they put their instrumentation wiring in underground conduits where they could be flooded by water if the insulation had any minor defects in it. Guess what? It did!

Not only that but they designed the reactor control stations so that they were co-joined. In an accident in one or the other plant that released high radiation levels they would have to abandon BOTH control centers, which is what happened.

Not only that but they only had one source of outside electricity from the Japanese grid to the plant. When that line went down in the earthquake they lost power to the plant. The most serious accident you can have with a Nuclear power plant is loss of electrical power. When you consider that Millions of lives are at stake, how come in the past forty years did it not occur to TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) to run back up lines from other sources to Fukushima? 40 Fukin years to realize that they needed another emergency source of Electrical Power from the Power Company (Which was TEPCO) and not one Fukin engineer realized how Fukin stupid the original engineers were.

What The Fuk! (WTF!)

I could go on and on and on and on, but you get the point.
 Quoting: JoeNeubarth


You tell 'em, OP. This thing was thrown together like they just didn't care. Any fool knows Japan has to factor earthquakes and tsunami's into their daily lives. And, as an engineer, the best place to err is on the side of caution. Over-build the friggin thing and you'll never go wrong. Frankly, I'm shocked - I never would have figured the Japanese to make a mistake this huge and multi-pronged.
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Per wikipedia about Fukushima nuke plants

Architectural design for General Electric's units was done by Ebasco.

That's an American construction company. I guess their criteria wasn't exactly fleshed out very well.

Electric Bond and Share Company
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Jump to: navigation, search

The Electric Bond and Share Company was originally a holding company that sold securities of electric utilities. It was created by General Electric in 1905. The company was restructured after the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935. Later known as EBASCO Services, it provided engineering consulting and construction services. Among other projects EBASCO designed nuclear power plants. EBASCO was sold to Raytheon in 1993 and became part of a Raytheon subsidiary, United Engineers and Constructors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 737117

Again, the Engineers in Japan were Japanese and the engineers for the past forty years of continuing screwups were Japanese.

International companies like Ebasco hire engineers in the country where the construction is going on. In Japan, most of the engineers were Japanese. In looking at the names of the engineers in the various papers that I have seen, I did see some German names, but there were only three that I noted, and I doubt that they had anything to do with the site engineering screwups.

You have got to realize that forty years have passed by with TEPCO running the show, and at no time did anybody see the need for correcting all of those hundreds of screwups.

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