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Life and Love User ID: 1324426 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: TXGal4Truth ![]() I'll join ya in the popcorn. But first I need to look for a post I made a few weeks ago on this subject to re-post here. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: TXGal4Truth ![]() I'll join ya in the popcorn. But first I need to look for a post I made a few weeks ago on this subject to re-post here. Please do.. ![]() So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
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Life and Love User ID: 1324426 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, this is the post I was looking for. A physics major asked a question about "scientific" evidence for God. This is my reply, which seems highly relevant to the topic of the thread: Well, let me give you some food for thought . . . Quoting: Life and LoveWhat we have here is a "domain mismatch." It's as if we are using tools appropriate to rational numbers to manipulate irrational numbers. For example, "What's the least common denominator of the square root of two?" The question itself doesn't make sense because of the domain mismatch. The scientific method (simplified) is one of observation of repeatable events, drawing conclusions from those observations, and trying to make predictive models based on those conclusions. The key thing about the scientific method is that it needs repeatable events. So, for example, we can't use the scientific method to examine "why" Caesar crossed the Rubicon or "why" 9/11 happened, as these events are singular occurances and not repeatable. The resurrection of Jesus is a one-time event like my historical examples, so scientific inquiry isn't applicable here. All it would say is that "the dead have never been observed to come back to life," and while that statement would be factual, it doesn't provide any information for a one-time event like the resurrection of Jesus. Now, in the future, when a great number of people are resurrected, the scientific method can be applied, but not now. So what this comes down to is "epistemology" - basically how do we "know" the things we "know about." (That's where the Philosophy classes come in.) There are some people who "know" that the resurrection of Jesus did indeed happen, and they look forward to the time that they, too, will be transformed the same way Jesus was transformed. That "knowing" cannot be proven right or wrong by scientific method (as explained above), only by the experience of the person who "knows." Of course, most people I would guess don't "know" this. For them, they have to investigate the "knowing" of others. That is one of the purposes of Scripture: to record the experiences that people have had with God. Jesus' 12 closest followers for examples were utterly transformed by their "knowing" from timid, scared men and women into people who would willingly give their lives for the message that OP and others post at GLP. Even those who disagree about what really happened on the cross, it is evident that something profoundly life changing happened. All the words in the world will not give you the kind of knowledge of "knowing" that I'm talking about. The only way to find that "knowing" is to follow Jesus for awhile and see what happens. What have you got to lose? Blessings We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, this is the post I was looking for. A physics major asked a question about "scientific" evidence for God. This is my reply, which seems highly relevant to the topic of the thread: Quoting: Life and LoveWell, let me give you some food for thought . . . Quoting: Life and LoveWhat we have here is a "domain mismatch." It's as if we are using tools appropriate to rational numbers to manipulate irrational numbers. For example, "What's the least common denominator of the square root of two?" The question itself doesn't make sense because of the domain mismatch. The scientific method (simplified) is one of observation of repeatable events, drawing conclusions from those observations, and trying to make predictive models based on those conclusions. The key thing about the scientific method is that it needs repeatable events. So, for example, we can't use the scientific method to examine "why" Caesar crossed the Rubicon or "why" 9/11 happened, as these events are singular occurances and not repeatable. The resurrection of Jesus is a one-time event like my historical examples, so scientific inquiry isn't applicable here. All it would say is that "the dead have never been observed to come back to life," and while that statement would be factual, it doesn't provide any information for a one-time event like the resurrection of Jesus. Now, in the future, when a great number of people are resurrected, the scientific method can be applied, but not now. So what this comes down to is "epistemology" - basically how do we "know" the things we "know about." (That's where the Philosophy classes come in.) There are some people who "know" that the resurrection of Jesus did indeed happen, and they look forward to the time that they, too, will be transformed the same way Jesus was transformed. That "knowing" cannot be proven right or wrong by scientific method (as explained above), only by the experience of the person who "knows." Of course, most people I would guess don't "know" this. For them, they have to investigate the "knowing" of others. That is one of the purposes of Scripture: to record the experiences that people have had with God. Jesus' 12 closest followers for examples were utterly transformed by their "knowing" from timid, scared men and women into people who would willingly give their lives for the message that OP and others post at GLP. Even those who disagree about what really happened on the cross, it is evident that something profoundly life changing happened. All the words in the world will not give you the kind of knowledge of "knowing" that I'm talking about. The only way to find that "knowing" is to follow Jesus for awhile and see what happens. What have you got to lose? Blessings EXCELLENT!! ![]() So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
Haha TolD ya so User ID: 1423340 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God is Real. He has lived on Earth as a man thousands of times. Here is a picture of his latest Incarnation. [link to www.facebook.com] Tired of all these damn christians, muslims, jews, the church of this and the church of that. I fart in your general direction. Brian the Lion the Onion of France aka The Anti Christ, Lucifer Merlin The White Necromancer Paolin The Evil One - King Solomon RaHolDon MeTeTron HoPe JETT King Of Atlantis Last of The Fallen Zeus of Olympus |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God is Real. He has lived on Earth as a man thousands of times. Here is a picture of his latest Incarnation. Quoting: Haha TolD ya so[link to www.facebook.com] ![]() :) So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
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TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. ”Galileo Galilei So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
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TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Still not convinced. Your "god" is a delusion. Seek professional medical help a.s.a.p. Quoting: NoPeaceforZionistsDo you have PROOF of this? So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() Why don't you post something you actually have knowledge of!! ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Knowledge according to whom HT? You? ![]() So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1387032 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TXGal uses "RainKross" as one of her many sockpuppets. TxGal Member ID#: 1013398 RainKross Member ID#: 1013398 Same number! RainKross posted from 3/14/11 - 3/16/11 uses the same themes TXgall uses. "TxGal" mysteriously didn't post on any of those days. RainKross is from "Texas" It's all in Advanced Search -- LOOK IT UP! TxGal uses MANY sockpuppets to boost the post support in her threads -- just like her zionist buddies do, including a mod who was recently DE-MODDED by me when such info of his sockpuppetry was sent to Trinity! LOL!! TXGal = RainKross BUSTED! |
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NoPeaceforZionists User ID: 1247302 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Still not convinced. Your "god" is a delusion. Seek professional medical help a.s.a.p. Quoting: NoPeaceforZionistsDo you have PROOF of this? Yep. A Formal Logic Proof of Atheism (2000) Quentin Smith I (1.) An extensional analytic sentence is one that, through substitution of synonyms for synonyms, results in a narrowly logical truth, e.g., a truth in standard propositional logic. The theorems of propositional logic are not sentences, but propositions that are expressible by sentences. (2.) The sentence-scheme "c causes e" analytically entails (but is not synonymous with) "c and e exist; e's existence stands to c in the relation of being the result of c's existence, such that this relation is not that of e being narrowly, logically necessitated by c." The reason there is no synonymy is that there are other features of the causal relation, features not mentioned in the entailed sentence. Proof of (2). See pp. 176-187 of my article "Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause," in PHILOSOPHICAL TOPICS, Volume 24 (Spring, 1996) (3.) The sentence-schema "x is omnipotent" analytically implies "for any possible existent y, necessarily, if x wills that y exist, y exists." (4.) The relation expressed by "x wills that y exist and y exists as a consequence of this willing" is a species of the relation expressed by "x causes y to exist." (5.) If God exists, God is omnipotent and the cause of the universe that exists. (6) If the universe is willed to exist by God and the universe does not exist, then it is the case that [by (3), (4) and (5)] (a) God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists and (b) God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist. (7) The proposition expressed by the sentence, "God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists, and God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist," is a negation of a theorem of standard propositional logic, namely, that it is not the case that both p and not-p. (8) Therefore, God narrowly logically necessitates whatever possibility he causes to exist. (9) Therefore, it is not the case that the universe is caused to exist by God [from (2)]. (10) Therefore, God does not exist [from (5) and [9]. Now, can we go back to discussing why Christians are so stupid in the other thread? |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TXGal uses "RainKross" as one of her many sockpuppets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387032TxGal Member ID#: 1013398 RainKross Member ID#: 1013398 Same number! RainKross posted from 3/14/11 - 3/16/11 uses the same themes TXgall uses. "TxGal" mysteriously didn't post on any of those days. RainKross is from "Texas" It's all in Advanced Search -- LOOK IT UP! TxGal uses MANY sockpuppets to boost the post support in her threads -- just like her zionist buddies do, including a mod who was recently DE-MODDED by me when such info of his sockpuppetry was sent to Trinity! LOL!! TXGal = RainKross BUSTED! To silence you once and for all...This is from a MOD Well, I don't know the fancy technical jargon re: IP addresses... But basically your ISP is one of the kinds where they assign the same IP address to more than one user... It's kinda like an AOL type of thing, only not as horrible and out of hand. LOL, sorry for the lax explanation, it's early. So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Still not convinced. Your "god" is a delusion. Seek professional medical help a.s.a.p. Quoting: NoPeaceforZionistsDo you have PROOF of this? Yep. A Formal Logic Proof of Atheism (2000) Quentin Smith I (1.) An extensional analytic sentence is one that, through substitution of synonyms for synonyms, results in a narrowly logical truth, e.g., a truth in standard propositional logic. The theorems of propositional logic are not sentences, but propositions that are expressible by sentences. (2.) The sentence-scheme "c causes e" analytically entails (but is not synonymous with) "c and e exist; e's existence stands to c in the relation of being the result of c's existence, such that this relation is not that of e being narrowly, logically necessitated by c." The reason there is no synonymy is that there are other features of the causal relation, features not mentioned in the entailed sentence. Proof of (2). See pp. 176-187 of my article "Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause," in PHILOSOPHICAL TOPICS, Volume 24 (Spring, 1996) (3.) The sentence-schema "x is omnipotent" analytically implies "for any possible existent y, necessarily, if x wills that y exist, y exists." (4.) The relation expressed by "x wills that y exist and y exists as a consequence of this willing" is a species of the relation expressed by "x causes y to exist." (5.) If God exists, God is omnipotent and the cause of the universe that exists. (6) If the universe is willed to exist by God and the universe does not exist, then it is the case that [by (3), (4) and (5)] (a) God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists and (b) God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist. (7) The proposition expressed by the sentence, "God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists, and God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist," is a negation of a theorem of standard propositional logic, namely, that it is not the case that both p and not-p. (8) Therefore, God narrowly logically necessitates whatever possibility he causes to exist. (9) Therefore, it is not the case that the universe is caused to exist by God [from (2)]. (10) Therefore, God does not exist [from (5) and [9]. Now, can we go back to discussing why Christians are so stupid in the other thread? ![]() So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
TXGal4Truth (OP) User ID: 1013398 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() Why don't you post something you actually have knowledge of!! ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Knowledge according to whom HT? You? ![]() You must be jewish!! ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! ^^THIS^^ is the real ![]() ![]() So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
Life and Love User ID: 1324426 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Still not convinced. Your "god" is a delusion. Seek professional medical help a.s.a.p. Quoting: NoPeaceforZionistsDo you have PROOF of this? Yep. A Formal Logic Proof of Atheism (2000) Quentin Smith I (1.) An extensional analytic sentence is one that, through substitution of synonyms for synonyms, results in a narrowly logical truth, e.g., a truth in standard propositional logic. The theorems of propositional logic are not sentences, but propositions that are expressible by sentences. (2.) The sentence-scheme "c causes e" analytically entails (but is not synonymous with) "c and e exist; e's existence stands to c in the relation of being the result of c's existence, such that this relation is not that of e being narrowly, logically necessitated by c." The reason there is no synonymy is that there are other features of the causal relation, features not mentioned in the entailed sentence. Proof of (2). See pp. 176-187 of my article "Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause," in PHILOSOPHICAL TOPICS, Volume 24 (Spring, 1996) (3.) The sentence-schema "x is omnipotent" analytically implies "for any possible existent y, necessarily, if x wills that y exist, y exists." (4.) The relation expressed by "x wills that y exist and y exists as a consequence of this willing" is a species of the relation expressed by "x causes y to exist." (5.) If God exists, God is omnipotent and the cause of the universe that exists. (6) If the universe is willed to exist by God and the universe does not exist, then it is the case that [by (3), (4) and (5)] (a) God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists and (b) God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist. (7) The proposition expressed by the sentence, "God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists, and God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist," is a negation of a theorem of standard propositional logic, namely, that it is not the case that both p and not-p. (8) Therefore, God narrowly logically necessitates whatever possibility he causes to exist. (9) Therefore, it is not the case that the universe is caused to exist by God [from (2)]. (10) Therefore, God does not exist [from (5) and [9]. Now, can we go back to discussing why Christians are so stupid in the other thread? LOL - It's more fun to watch non-Christians being less than brilliant here! The flaw in the argument is one of domain. See my post above. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
NoPeaceforZionists User ID: 1247302 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Still not convinced. Your "god" is a delusion. Seek professional medical help a.s.a.p. Quoting: NoPeaceforZionistsDo you have PROOF of this? Yep. A Formal Logic Proof of Atheism (2000) Quentin Smith I (1.) An extensional analytic sentence is one that, through substitution of synonyms for synonyms, results in a narrowly logical truth, e.g., a truth in standard propositional logic. The theorems of propositional logic are not sentences, but propositions that are expressible by sentences. (2.) The sentence-scheme "c causes e" analytically entails (but is not synonymous with) "c and e exist; e's existence stands to c in the relation of being the result of c's existence, such that this relation is not that of e being narrowly, logically necessitated by c." The reason there is no synonymy is that there are other features of the causal relation, features not mentioned in the entailed sentence. Proof of (2). See pp. 176-187 of my article "Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause," in PHILOSOPHICAL TOPICS, Volume 24 (Spring, 1996) (3.) The sentence-schema "x is omnipotent" analytically implies "for any possible existent y, necessarily, if x wills that y exist, y exists." (4.) The relation expressed by "x wills that y exist and y exists as a consequence of this willing" is a species of the relation expressed by "x causes y to exist." (5.) If God exists, God is omnipotent and the cause of the universe that exists. (6) If the universe is willed to exist by God and the universe does not exist, then it is the case that [by (3), (4) and (5)] (a) God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists and (b) God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist. (7) The proposition expressed by the sentence, "God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists, and God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist," is a negation of a theorem of standard propositional logic, namely, that it is not the case that both p and not-p. (8) Therefore, God narrowly logically necessitates whatever possibility he causes to exist. (9) Therefore, it is not the case that the universe is caused to exist by God [from (2)]. (10) Therefore, God does not exist [from (5) and [9]. Now, can we go back to discussing why Christians are so stupid in the other thread? ![]() You asked for proof, shill...I gave you one. Your lame sign has nothing to do with me providing you the proof you asked for. Now, show me some proof of "god" or SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
Butt Ugly Toad User ID: 107034 ![]() 06/16/2011 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible says WE are made in God's image but it doesn't say it's our body, it happens to be our mind, since the Universe is God's mind and thus, the entire Universe is God. DIMENSION = IS ONE MIND God has no physical body, just a mind and WE are in God's mind. ![]() Ribbit ![]() "To pee or not to pee, that is the question!" - Old Toad Proverb “Unbeknownst to most, Kindness is not a STD, so pass it on!” – Old Toad Proverb Old Toad Proverbs: Thread: Old Toad Proverbs |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1431318 ![]() 06/16/2011 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: TXGal4TruthDo you have PROOF of this? Yep. A Formal Logic Proof of Atheism (2000) Quentin Smith I (1.) An extensional analytic sentence is one that, through substitution of synonyms for synonyms, results in a narrowly logical truth, e.g., a truth in standard propositional logic. The theorems of propositional logic are not sentences, but propositions that are expressible by sentences. (2.) The sentence-scheme "c causes e" analytically entails (but is not synonymous with) "c and e exist; e's existence stands to c in the relation of being the result of c's existence, such that this relation is not that of e being narrowly, logically necessitated by c." The reason there is no synonymy is that there are other features of the causal relation, features not mentioned in the entailed sentence. Proof of (2). See pp. 176-187 of my article "Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause," in PHILOSOPHICAL TOPICS, Volume 24 (Spring, 1996) (3.) The sentence-schema "x is omnipotent" analytically implies "for any possible existent y, necessarily, if x wills that y exist, y exists." (4.) The relation expressed by "x wills that y exist and y exists as a consequence of this willing" is a species of the relation expressed by "x causes y to exist." (5.) If God exists, God is omnipotent and the cause of the universe that exists. (6) If the universe is willed to exist by God and the universe does not exist, then it is the case that [by (3), (4) and (5)] (a) God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists and (b) God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist. (7) The proposition expressed by the sentence, "God wills the universe to exist and the universe exists, and God wills the universe to exist and the universe does not exist," is a negation of a theorem of standard propositional logic, namely, that it is not the case that both p and not-p. (8) Therefore, God narrowly logically necessitates whatever possibility he causes to exist. (9) Therefore, it is not the case that the universe is caused to exist by God [from (2)]. (10) Therefore, God does not exist [from (5) and [9]. Now, can we go back to discussing why Christians are so stupid in the other thread? :txgath: You asked for proof, shill...I gave you one. Your lame sign has nothing to do with me providing you the proof you asked for. Now, show me some proof of "god" or SHUT THE FUCK UP. Asking proof for God is like Asking proof for the existence of Wind. You can feel it blowing but you can't see it. Truly a foolish question! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1387032 ![]() 06/16/2011 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TXGal uses "RainKross" as one of her many sockpuppets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1387032TxGal Member ID#: 1013398 RainKross Member ID#: 1013398 Same number! RainKross posted from 3/14/11 - 3/16/11 uses the same themes TXgall uses. "TxGal" mysteriously didn't post on any of those days. RainKross is from "Texas" It's all in Advanced Search -- LOOK IT UP! TxGal uses MANY sockpuppets to boost the post support in her threads -- just like her zionist buddies do, including a mod who was recently DE-MODDED by me when such info of his sockpuppetry was sent to Trinity! LOL!! TXGal = RainKross BUSTED! To silence you once and for all...This is from a MOD Well, I don't know the fancy technical jargon re: IP addresses... But basically your ISP is one of the kinds where they assign the same IP address to more than one user... It's kinda like an AOL type of thing, only not as horrible and out of hand. LOL, sorry for the lax explanation, it's early. Bullshit, you fucking liar! First of all that "mod" is just about the dumbest motherfucker if that's really their response...which if it is, please disclose said "mod's" identity. How come "RainKross" posts the SAME THEMES you do? How come "TXGal" didn't post AT ALL during those times "RainKross" did? Don't fucking lie, this is the tip of the iceberg, the best is yet to come, and I have evidence that will make you say "WTF?", and will fucking RUIN your sockpuppet, lying ass. |