HONEST Question.....Are Lucifer and Satan, the same being

God created the Devil, make no mistake about it. He is a necessary component that will be dealt with in due time.

Lucifer is only mentioned one time in the Bible and refers to the king of Babylon

a human who is now dead---it was likely Sennacherib

"satan" means adversary in Hebrew

it is not a "being" or god or any kind of supernatural anything

it is a role---played by a variety of people in the Bible

such as Peter

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Even God Himself plays the role

1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.


This will help you understand the TRUE nature of "satan" in the Bible: [link to www.beingjewish.com]


apostate Catholic paganism has created this "evil god" to be in duality with the "good God"

no such idea exists in the Bible

I believe that was what Anonymous Coward 664728 was trying to get across. Was that in the Hebrew tradition since
God/YWH created the angels including Satan, That Satan does God's will. Irreguardless Of the way Christianity views him.

But I do like alot of the points you have made Guano. You are a philosiphicale person. Atleast you dont let hate breed in your heart like so many other Christians do. The fact that those peopple brought shame to following YWH really hurts

Like this Mark Brander guy. Now he ticks me off more then the Urantia peole do. From what I've seen (even though I just learned about them) atleast they show alot more love and compassion compared to this breed like Mark Brander.

Sorry back to the subject, I believe that Judaisim and Christianity shoud be the same thing. Except that you believe Jesus was the prophizised Messiah. But those other man made religious interpertations of Gods Word I want nothing to do with it.

One thing I never understood was, why the Abrahamic religions never touched on reincarnation and Nirvana (Hindu), or Karma (Buddhist). I can't only use the Bible as a source of spirituality, as it seems... incomplete.

I figured I'd put this one up for the GLPer's..
Alot of yall are very knowledgable on this type of subject.
There's verses that support they are and versus that say there not....


So let me know what you think, Honestly
Thxs
GEM

What more do you need..??
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Answer to your question...YES.

To me I think it has, but Im an oddity.
Reincarnation and Nirvana, I believe are when it says that you will live forever on earth.
Karma I believe is when Jesus states in revelations if you live by the sword you die by the sword

But I do agree with you about looking into other religions.
Like I noticed the teachings of budha seem to be very close to those of Jesus.
Sad thing is the budhist are more Christian then the Christians.

Part of me kinda thinks the teachings of islam may be of impotance to us.
I really wish I had good access to all of the books of the one true god.
Maybe if you put all three or is it 5, that you will have the complete teachings but that is only a theory of mine

(Does that sound completely stupid??? LOL)

Nevermind on the Karma thing, I realized that it says "An eye for an eye".

But, I have heard that in his travels, Jesus went as far as India, and there are even claims that he learned Buddhism, himself.

As far as Islam, it is yet another Abrahamic religion. I see the Torah, Bible, and Quran as three parts of a whole, as they seem to complete each other (Even though the Quran claims that Christianity is flawed)

To Guano, I've looked into the Jahova's witness's and have listened to their teaching's but have never joined. I like the fact that they dont believe in the HOLY TRINITY, Or our pagan/christian holidays. They also celebrate the passover but what made me turn away from them was actually something small and to most people stupid.
They do the LORDs Supper (which I agree with) if you accept Jesus as the Messiah, you dont eat the unblemished lamb, you take another day of unlevened bread.
But they believe the only people that can partake in this are the 144,000...............WTF, what ego they have to proclaim they are those people. The 144,000 are comeing from the 12 tribes. Not us you religous wankers.

The 7th day adventist, still practice the catholi system, the just worship on saturday.
So I wont go to any church due to the fact that YWH has given me this enlightenment. I know if I am no longer innocent of that knowledge and chose to disobey it, There will be no Forgivness.
He was loveing enough to share that with me and I dont take it Lightly.

But I am so grateful to everyone's comments and I did look into everylink that everyone produced. So thank you guys for helping me gain even more knowledge.

I kinda agree that Christanity is flawed, I mean really look at. There is so much confussion in the way the Catholics present it.
Like the Trinity thing, when you ask about it. They always answer Its a great mystery of GOD.
Islam is not part of the Quaran becuzz what you said was what I was trying to say lmao.
Excuse my ever growing ignorence lmao

Christians are convinced that the Christ will return, but then what?! Some believe what The Revelation says, "The Christ shall reign for 1,000 years". This period of world unity and world peace will be the "heaven on Earth" that has been promised for thousands of years! Other Christians - primarily Evangelicals - believe in the Rapture where Christ II somehow gathers only those who believe in him and whisks them away up in the heavens(74), leaving the others behind on Earth to its impending doom. Who is ultimately the judge of which view is correct? The Christ - God's chosen one.

The Revelation has confounded literally millions since these visions were given to John on the Island of Patmos c. 90 AD. The book/scroll that John wrote was originally in Greek and he utilized isopsephy or what's known today in English (and Hebrew) as gematria: the geometry of the language, primarily an alphanumeric code and sacred numerical symbolism. The combination of the "7 seals" and the "4 horseman" is indicitive of the GOD=7_4 code, whereas, G is the 7th letter, a circle can be either the 15th letter or zero and D is the 4th letter. 'God' is at the heart of Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74) which is the key(74) to unlocking Seal #2 and a whole other level of understanding God's word! But let's get to the heart of The Revelation...

The last part of the Bible is the end of a book. And like the end of any good book, it reaches a pinnacle(74) that is the culmination of everything that has come before it in the book. And the Bible provides us with thee ending of any book! For here we have the return of the Christ, known by his producing a "'book/scroll' that only he can receive from the right hand of God that has the '7 seals' on the cover". We see signs of the "end of the age" like great earthquakes (& tsunami with radiation fallout), volcanos, tornadoes, hail, fires, floods, drought, record heat, famine, financial woes, etc. There is the appearance of the "1st Beast" - commonly regarded as the Antichrist - the "2nd Beast", and the "mark of the Beast which everyone must have to buy or sell with" (Chapter 13). Then in Chapter 14, we are introduced to the "destruction of Babylon" which continues in Chapters 16 & 17 and is all of Chapter 18. In Chapter 19, we have "the marriage of the Christ and his bride", which is almost always interpreted as "the Christ and his Church are joined". And Rev 21:1, "Then I saw a new heavens and a new earth". Could it be that these prophecies have already taken place or are taking place? Yes.

I, Richard 'Brad'shaw Watson II, am the Christ (Watson77, Christ77). We all pass through eternity by reincarnation. 2,000 years ago, I was Y'shua74 bar Yosef (Jesus74), but I have lived many lives since including my last as Albert Einstein. I have produced the "book/scroll" of Rev 5:1-10:10 with the "7 seals" or 'beyond Einstein theories' on the cover. I AM continuing to tweak this 74 page booklet and will have the revised version ready as 'scheduled' for 2012.

Ronald (6 letters) Wilson(6) Reagan(6) was the Antichrist/"1st Beast" whose actions were the opposite of the Christ, was "ruler of the world, lied to all nations, and was wounded yet lived." His birthdate (2/6) was prophesied in Matthew 2:6 (KJV) as was his deathdate. Reagan was a fiscal liberal while helping the rich and greatly increasing the military, and he was a social conservative. Jesus was a fiscal conservative while helping the poor and he declined to lead an armed revolution. The Christ was a social liberal.

George Walker Bush Jr. was the Antichrist/"'2nd Beast' who imitated the '1st Beast' (Reagan), and made fire come down from the heavens with the 'destruction of Babylon' (War in Iraq)". His (and Nancy Reagan's) birthdate (7/6) is very telling in Matthew 7:6.

United(6) States(6) Dollar(6) is the "mark of the Beast that everyone must have to buy or sell with."

The 'marriage of the Christ with his bride' has literally happened since I was married to Christa Sobers for two years before getting divorced. (Did you notice the name 'Christa'?) I now have the best girlfriend on this planet and we might someday get married. Regarding "the marriage of the Christ and his church", I AM currently trying to inform as many Roman Catholic bishops and priests of my activities as I can. I visited Our Lady of the Lakes Catholic Church in Miami Lakes on Sun. 6/19/11 and gave a copy of the "7 seals" with a brief explanation to retiring Pastor James P. Murphy and others.

Astrophysicists now somewhat agree that the Big Bang of 13.7 billion years ago was the result of a supermassive black hole in another universe. This cycle of birth-death-rebirth would explain infinite space and infinite time (eternity). NASA and other astronomers have now directly detected 500+ exoplanets with thousands more to be acknowledged in the next couple of years. The discovery of an earth-like planet will soon be made followed by many, many more. This theory is Seal #1: The Conglomerate (universe creation) theory. "Then I saw a new heavens and a new earth."

My main mission in this life - and the next, and the next, etc. - is to save Earth from irresponsible humans, to save humanity from irresponsible humans, and to save animal life from irresponsible humans. God & I "judging everyone according to their actions" and sentencing the guilty to unpleasant reincarnation sentences will eventually accomplish this mission.

- Brad Watson, Miami


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There are some flaws in the 'HOLY TRINITY' for sure, but I find flaws in just about any system using some form of logic, I'm a systems analyst... In my opinion, denominations don't exactly exist in the Kingdom of God (where I like to say I live), they are all 'beasts of the field' from God's perspective, devouring the downtrodden grass of the earth and using it for growth. To craft a doctrine (or any thing for that matter) and to give it a name, a banner, creed, etc. is exactly what the Bible considers idolatry. You're creating with your own hands a 'god' which is a system that bears rule over you, this 'god/system' has a legal personality which is controlled through process/procedure/doctrine and the LORD see's these 'beast-images' as real-living-creatures which wander to and fro across the earth, devouring the grass of the field. These creatures will be destroyed in all of their various forms--I sit in absolute amazement that a human, a LIVING PERSON, will create a god/system that doesn't speak or breathe or feel or love or hate and then BOW THEMSELVES DOWN in worship of it (dedicate their labor to maintaining a church organization rather than working the fields)...

I consider myself 'nondenominational' but I have carefully considered all of the various denominations and other religions as a whole, I've studied the doctrines in depth and specifically like to get in to the nittie gritty of it all... My 'core doctrine' is evolving day by day.

I believe that all 'denominations' represent false gods (idols) which qualify as 'abominations that maketh desolate', which is any false image (concept/perspective) of GOD which is placed in your temple (heart) and causes you to cease from the daily sacrifice (Paul's 'sacrifice of self via renewing of mind' in Romans 12). If you have found that you have done this, it is necessary to run into the wilderness as Christ commanded, this means you must go to a place where ONLY GOD (not a pastor or church system) will nourish you and wash clean your mind (with the water of His Word)...

In regards to religious observances (feast days, etc): I do not believe there is any benefit to observing these days unless a benefit pops into my mind and i'm led by my conscience to observe it... I don't judge any one from any religion who practices any religious observances, as Paul said:
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


"I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Comment on this: There are many scriptures to this effect, this logic should be carefully thought out until you're comfortable with it yourself...

"And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him."

I believe that God completely controls all things through the complex relationships between supernatural beings which are what we could call 'laws', or even bring it down to 'algorythims' that will always have a definite outcome when (x) criteria is met... I believe that all humans do the will of God whether they would like to or not, because all humans are controlled by forces which can be measured and given any situation, if one has enough knowledge about a person, one can predict their every movement... I believe that God is coming to destroy the work of Satan, not to destroy people... Jesus will destroy all lies and the damage caused by them, by revealing the truth...



SDA's were founded by a necromancer as well and consider their other 'holy book' as equally as inspired as the Bible...

Lucifer was mistranslated ...the verse in Isaiah is talking about a Babylonian King

never meant to mean satan

Sorry back to the subject, I believe that Judaisim and Christianity shoud be the same thing. Except that you believe Jesus was the prophizised Messiah. But those other man made religious interpertations of Gods Word I want nothing to do with it.

Thanks I never even noticed that before, you kinda floored me with that. BTW you owe me a new keyboard since I spit my tea all over it lmao



I will be checking this link out defintly!!!

I see you all talking eschatology...

As stated further, I have no belief that I do not consider applicable for destruction by the truth... I've studied most end-time doctrines, from various christian denomiations to the other religions of the world including the occult.

My study is ongoing, my approach to prophecy is that the symbols are almost completely metaphorical but can be linked to historical events... It becomes very complex and i'm working on illustrated studies, perhaps i'll share some with you sometime.... I don't exactly follow any of the mainstream theories... I definitely don't follow literal interpretations as it just doesn't seem literal to me.

Wrong. Must not be using a King James.

The KJV says "how art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning.......

Every version of bible except the KJV has removed the name of Lucifer. Only the KJV has let it remain.

Another reason to never use any bible but the KJV.

Lucifer/ie Satan as he is called after his fall has his hands on all the other bibles.

Hope this helps. It is afterall about Truth.

There was an earlier post that stated KJV and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS matched up almost perfectly. ^_^

They do when you have a Greek Lexicon and an old english Dictionary handy... One of the biggest problems with Biblical interpretation is the evolution of how words are defined in the mind... Things like daemons, spirits, principalities, powers of the air, were understood totally different during the times they were written about... Before midieval folklore took over...

yes... they are both figments of sad religious people's imagination

Agreed, thats why some people even refuse to look at the old testiment. Due to the time it was written in. Some times people are so stupid that they cant do a little deductive reasoning to decipher what the core of the scripture meant.
I'll admit sometimes it has been a problem for me.
But I dont walk away I research and ask for help.

I love the OT, but being a gentile as I am, it doesn't hold the same value to me. I love the words of the prophets... Ezekiel, Daniel, Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, Isaiah...

My main interest is prophecy. I believe the Torah is prophetic and shouldn't be seen as a history book or geneaological book, I believe that it uses the language of prophecy, I believe that the first prophecies of Jesus Christ were in Genesis 2, imbedded in the account of the garden.

Prophecy is very time-consuming to study, at least for me... I've tried to tackle end-times for quite a while now but have never come to something I'm comfortable with as there are many mechanical problems in every theory I've come across and I'm determined to spend the time myself to see what I come up with as an analyst.


... Right now what I'm trying to do is build a "Prophecy Model" which will be sort of an engine, or a "model heaven" where every symbol is as definite as possible... The main problem I run into with people these days is that they are not viewing prophecy from the right context...

Heaven and earth are understood totally differently than they were in ancient times... Mountains, Rivers, valleys, salt seas, islands, flowers, grass, beasts, fowls of the air, wind, stars, lamps, rain, fire, earthquakes... All of these things are typologies...

This year, July has 5 Fridays, 5 Saturdays and 5 Sundays. This happens
once every 823 years.

Wow, interesting that you should use that quote of all things... That is a very debated quote, as the "Lord" (notice Lord instead of God) says that he "forms" light. Forming light is another way of saying "bending", not "creating". This is one of the quotes that led me to believe that the Bible had the Devils influence.

The only thing that I could never figure out is, whether God did create the Devil, as a means to test our faith (The Devil actually works for God)

So what is your take on the witnesses of revelation's??
Thought Id ask seeing all the falsies out there.
But I was able to prove one beyond a shadow of a doubt, through scripture is fake.