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Japanese not allowed to get on a bus on the grounds that “people from Tokyo are contaminated”
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

A baby in 0.36 Sv/h
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

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So sad. Words are inadequate..

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Nothing to see here ! Move along people !

Atom-Boy and his army of shills will be here soon to reassure us everything is OK and that TEPCO is monitoring the situation !
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Well, they have tried unsuccessfully, here. This thread is slightly different than most fuku threads.

We post links to articles and sometimes comment on them. We don't make up a bunch of shit for thread counts and pins because that's not what we're about.

It's a way of staying current on the issues and to inform ourselves and any one else who wants to follow along and/or contribute. Most of the regular posters have been involved since the beginning of the crisis and we know the situation quite well from following it and posting about it almost daily since 3.11.11.

Welcome to our nightmare..

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baby in 0.36μSv/h
I really do not believe this reading .We have had up to o.42usv/hr in the states here mostly 0.27usv/hr to 0.32usv/hr lately last aug was the worst i wish i never knew
atom boy has posted readings in japan less than here in the states unless we have been hit hard i have no idea just thinking out loud
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He said it went up to .40 after he took the picture. The readings must go up and down like a yo-yo over there. Depends where you stand.

Did you check out the historic local averages where you are. I know there is a lot of shale rock in that area which could be adding to your readings. You might be getting less than you think from fuku. Might get lucky. Talk to a local geologist or mining company about it..

At least then you'll know for sure why your readings have stayed high. They should have dropped by now.

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Hey SO. Missed ya.

You saw the nilu transports. If they were close to accurate, which I'm sure they were, the atmospheric patterns swirled the plume up and down the coast, almost in a holding pattern. Even as far north as unalaska. We had early reports from people up there last year having metallic taste and unexplained illness. I remember one from Dutch Harbor.

Bad news.

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I've been reading, but not much time to post. It's the youngest daughter's Senior year in high school so it's been one research project after the other lately. My computer time has been limited since we only have 1 in the house. Since I always say education is #1 I have had to give up most of my evening hours for research. Pretty proud of her though...her english paper is on Special Education and alternative ways of communication with non verbal students. This paper is a big deal for graduating seniors, they must pass with a C or they will not graduate. It is part research paper, part community service, and part presentation. They spend the whole year on it...meaning crunch time the last few weeks of school.
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Kids first.

My youngest graduated HS today. Ceremony this morning. Phew! He has been done since Christmas[credits] but went back for the event. For his mama...

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Congratulations to your youngest! My youngest has been a challenge...
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Congrats on yours, too.

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I understand that a 7.0 quake could be deadly...but what about the Fukushima plant being continually hit with lesser quakes? Over time wouldn't that continue to affect the structural damage that is already present?
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Absolutely. They also have issues with corrosion from
the seawater used for cooling the vessels and pools.
Any cracks in the concrete would have exposed the
rebar imbedded in the concrete to the salt water,
damaging it and weakening the overall strength and integrity of the structures.
Seawater is 3.5% salt on average.

Time is a factor. Instead of screwing around covering
the buildings and housekeeping, they should have been
working on and implementing a plan to get SFP4 emptied
of spent fuel. It has been hanging by a thread since
the hydrogen blast.. I remember a conversation on
fuku 1 thread over a year ago concerning how out of level
the building must be by the views we had of it. We
halfway expected it to fall at any time, back then.

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Thanks for the reply. That's exactly what I am worried about....well, that and the fact that I don't trust the updates we are getting from them. I posted a thread on here on 5/20 Fukushima 6.0 Just Now! Was watching live thread...could see a fire! I have been searching for any information about what I saw. Today I found this Tepco press release:
Press Release (Mar 21,2012)
A Fire near No. 3 Light Oil Tank (Outdoor Type) of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 5 and 6 (2nd Report)

When workers of TEPCO's partner company were doing welding operation of plumbing for fire extinguish equipment near No. 3 light oil tank (outdoor type) of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 5 and 6, lawn of 3m X 3m was burned due to fire spark by the welding operation.

We used non-burnable sheets to cover the lawn for fire protection, however, it was blown about by the wind and the fire broke out by the spark.

At 11:25 am, we confirmed that the worker had extinguished the fire by the water.

At 0:13 pm, we reported to the fire department and they will conduct the site survey.

No one was injured by this accident and this gives no impact on monitoring values of surrounding area and cooling system of nuclear reactor & spent fuel pool.(Previous announcement)

The fire department conducted the site survey and, at 1:13 pm, extinction of the fire was confirmed by them.

Not sure if this is the one I witnessed on the web cam or not....but the JNN feed has been down ever since!
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They've had daily problems at fuku.. even with simple tasks tepco seems to find a way to screw something up. They are using unskilled workers on work that is obviously too difficult for them to accomplish easily.

Trying to save a buck.. how stupid is that?

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I think it is evident that money is more important to them than peoples lives. So horribly sad....for all of us!
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IAEA, Iran agree on nuclear inspection methods
The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency says an agreement has been reached with Iran on ways to verify the country's suspected nuclear arms development.

IAEA Director-General Yukiya Amano told reporters in Vienna on Tuesday that the 2 sides will soon sign documents for the agreement.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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Only 2 towns support restart of Oi nuclear plant in Fukui
Only two of the 11 municipalities within a 30-kilometer radius of Kansai Electric Power Co.'s Oi nuclear plant in Fukui Prefecture are supporting the restart of it, according to a recent Kyodo News poll.

While Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda is expected to make a final decision soon to restart two nuclear reactors at the Oi plant, the poll indicates that relevant local governments' acceptance as a precondition for the restart has failed to make progress.
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N. Korea hints at nuke test if U.S. steps up pressure for sanctions
North Korea indicated Tuesday it will carry out a nuclear test if the United States and its allies step up pressure for tougher sanctions against Pyongyang over its nuclear and missile programs.

''If the U.S. persists in its moves to ratchet up sanctions and pressure upon us despite our peace-loving efforts, we will be left with no option but to take counter-measures for self-defense,'' a Foreign Ministry spokesman was quoted by the official Korean Central News Agency as saying.
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Gregory Jaczko Tried to Stand Up to Nuclear Industry; New Regulatory Chair Also Must Prioritize Public Health and Safety
[link to www.citizen.org]

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News today of Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) Chair Gregory Jaczko’s pending resignation is a terrifying example of industries trying to wreak havoc on those who regulate them – and winning.
Jaczko sought to create tougher rules for the nuclear industry in the wake of Japan’s Fukushima disaster last year. But the nuclear industry wanted Jaczko gone from Day One. Jaczko stood alone.
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Gregory Jaczko’s Exit Poses Problems for White House
[link to www.rollcall.com]

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Gregory Jaczko, a former Reid aide and opponent of using the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada, announced Monday morning that he would resign, capping months of infighting at the agency in charge of safeguarding nuclear power plants. The other four members of the commission accused him last year of abusive behavior, while Jaczko’s allies retorted that he was being unfairly singled out because of his aggressive regulation of the industry.

But Jaczko won’t be leaving immediately. He made his resignation effective once the Senate confirms a successor, complicating efforts by the nuclear industry and Republicans to replace him with someone friendlier to the industry.
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Oversight board cites concerns over SRS Building 235-F
[link to www.aikenstandard.com]

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The Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board report said Building 235-F, a building that houses partially deactivated processing lines and is typically not occupied, contains a "significant quantity" of plutonium-238, which is in a fine powder form that is highly dispersible and increases the potential dose that could accompany a radiological release.

Due to the potential dose consequences that on-site workers or the general public could receive, "it is unacceptable for the residual contamination within Building 235-F to continue to remain unaddressed," the report concluded.

Electrical failures within the aging facility also could result in a fire,
the report said, which could be prevented by eliminating potential igniting sources and controlling the amount of combustibles in the facility.

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Nice to know we have another disaster waiting to happen.
I wonder how much P-238 they consider to be 'a significant quantity' .. ? Enough to kill a few million? A billion?


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U.S. Plans to Produce Plutonium-238 in Idaho
[link to www.npr.org]

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August 4, 2005

Fifteen years ago, the United States stopped making plutonium-238, one of the most toxic substances known to man. It can be fatal to inhale so much as a speck of the radioactive isotope. But now, citing national security needs, the government is preparing to start making it again at a federally owned site in the Idaho desert.

Plutonium-238 is far more radioactive than its cousin, plutonium-239, which is used in bombs. It's so radioactive, it stays hot to the touch for decades. It is useless for commercial nuclear power plants, but ideal to make small, long-lasting batteries for devices such as space probes and espionage equipment.

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Oh boy..

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Inviting U.S. firm group for decontamination in Fukushima
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Brain shrinkage seen in Tohoku PTSD cases
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Emotional stress over last year's deadly quake and tsunami in the Tohoku region caused the brains of some survivors to shrink, according to scientists in Japan who had a unique chance to study the neurological effects of trauma.

On a quest to better understand posttraumatic stress disorder, the researchers compared brain scans they had taken of 42 healthy adolescents in other studies in the two years before the disasters new images taken three to four months after they hit.

Among those with PTSD symptoms, they found a shrinking in the orbitofrontal cortex, a part of the brain involved in decision-making and the regulation of emotion, according to a study published Tuesday in Molecular Psychiatry, a branch of Nature.

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Well, that explains atom-boyo and his butt-buddies...

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Water level is only 40cm from the bottom in reactor1
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

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The pipes to connect PCV and torus room got holes of several cm diameter. All the water injected leak from the holes and flow into the basement floor of the reactor building. It flows to the basement floor of the turbin building beside the reactor building through the pipes and cables.
Tepco used to assume the water level was 1.8m but it turned out to be wrong as always.

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Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare banned staff from researching Fukushima contamination
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

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The morans on that thread I was on last night were trying to say there was no coverup going on.. chuckle
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The Pacific Ocean Is Dying: Special Report On Fukushima Nuclear Catastrophe
[link to www.marketoracle.co.uk]

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Most of the world community is still unaware of the extremely profound and far-reaching effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster has had. If the nations of the world really understood the implications of the actual ‘fallout’ – past, current and future – the current nuclear energy paradigm would be systematically shut down. For those of us who are in the know, it is incumbent upon each of us to disseminate the relevant information/data necessary to forever close down the nuclear power industry around the globe.

There is now general agreement that the state of the art of nuclear power generation is such that it was deeply flawed and fundamentally dangerous from the very beginning. This fact was completely understood to be the case by the industry insiders and original financiers of every nuclear power plant ever built. Nuclear engineers had a very good understanding of just how vulnerable the design, engineering and architecture was at the startup of this industry. Nevertheless, they proceeded with this ill-fated enterprise at the behest of who?

Therefore, this begs the question, “Why would such an inherently unsafe technology and unstable design be implemented worldwide in the first place?”

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Why, indeed..

Good article with links to more information.

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NuclearReader.info
[link to www.nuclearreader.info]

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Good information.

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Recent Readings:

1.67 MicroSv/h Ground level,Hitachinaka,120kms from Fukushima Daiichi.
Measured 19th May 2012.


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Active carbon made from corn core capable of absorbing cesium: researchers
A group of researchers said Wednesday they have found activated carbon made from corn cores is highly capable of absorbing cesium, raising expectations that it could be used to prevent cesium contamination of farm products in the wake of the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi complex.

''The contamination could be blocked by mixing the activated carbon with (farm) soil,'' the group of researchers from the environmental health research center of the Iwate prefectural government and from Iwate University said.
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Active carbon made from corn core capable of absorbing cesium: researchers
A group of researchers said Wednesday they have found activated carbon made from corn cores is highly capable of absorbing cesium, raising expectations that it could be used to prevent cesium contamination of farm products in the wake of the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi complex.

''The contamination could be blocked by mixing the activated carbon with (farm) soil,'' the group of researchers from the environmental health research center of the Iwate prefectural government and from Iwate University said.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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That is some good news. Send me a couple of dump trucks full for my garden.

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Namie, Iitate exposed to radiation doses within 10 to 50 millisieverts
Radiation doses to individuals from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear crisis were the largest within a dose band of 10 to 50 millisieverts in the town of Namie and the village of Iitate in Fukushima Prefecture, the World Health Organization said Wednesday in a preliminary estimate.
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Gov't tables option to halt development of Monju reactor
The government presented Wednesday four options for the future of Japan's trouble-prone prototype fast-breeder reactor Monju, including one to halt its development in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear crisis.

The science ministry tabled the options at a meeting of the governmental Japan Atomic Energy Commission, which has been reviewing the nation's policy of establishing a nuclear fuel reprocessing cycle that draws heavily on use of Monju. The panel will officially study the possibility of decommissioning the reactor for the first time.
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0.1-0.2 mSv: one skull X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

0.1-0.5 mSv: one chest X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

0.3 mSv: one mammogram for about 0.5 seconds

0.6-1.7 mSv: one abdomen X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

1.5 mSv: EPA maximum for an average adult for one year

2.2 mSv: airline crew member, short flights for one year

2-4 mSv: one head CT scan for about 10 minutes

3-6 mSv: airline crew member, cross-country flights, 900 hrs/yr

3-8 mSv: one barium X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

10 mSv: cooking with natural gas (radon) for a year

5-15 mSv: one full-body CT scan for about 20 minutes

6-18 mSv: one chest CT scan for about 10 minutes

9 mSv: airline crew member, polar flights, such as Tokyo-NYC, 900 hrs/yr

13 mSv: smoking one pack of cigarettes per day for a year

20 mSv: nuclear plant worker, maximum 5-year average*+

50 mSv: cardiac catheterization, coronary angiogram, heart x-ray studies for about 1 hour

50 mSv: nuclear plant worker, maximum total exposure in one year

50-100 mSv: changes in blood chemistry

100 mSv: lowest clearly carcinogenic level; 1 millimort

0.25 Sv: temporary sterility in men

0.50-0.55 Sv: nausea, fatigue within hours

0.70-0.75 Sv: vomiting and hair loss in 2-3 weeks

1-2 Sv: for about an hour, 0 to 5% fatal

2-6 Sv: external-immediate severe skin burns, internal-50% fatal

8-30 Sv: for about an hour, 100% fatal
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Namie, Iitate exposed to radiation doses within 10 to 50 millisieverts
Radiation doses to individuals from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear crisis were the largest within a dose band of 10 to 50 millisieverts in the town of Namie and the village of Iitate in Fukushima Prefecture, the World Health Organization said Wednesday in a preliminary estimate.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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This is misleading.

50 millisieverts is the nuclear worker annual exposure.
These people have also ingested radiation in water and food. They have also breathed it in unknown concentrations. The total amount from exposure and ingestion is unknown..

Until comprehensive medical evaluation is done, we won't know. Even then, will they tell the truth?

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1-2 Sv: for about an hour, 0 to 5% fatal


per hour - 24 x 70-x65.....

do the numbers...
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Nuclear talks underway with Iran
Six major world powers have told Iran they will ease economic sanctions if the country suspends its enrichment of uranium.

Negotiators for the 5 UN permanent members --- the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France -- plus Germany began nuclear talks in Baghdad on Wednesday.
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0.1-0.2 mSv: one skull X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

0.1-0.5 mSv: one chest X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

0.3 mSv: one mammogram for about 0.5 seconds

0.6-1.7 mSv: one abdomen X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

1.5 mSv: EPA maximum for an average adult for one year

2.2 mSv: airline crew member, short flights for one year

2-4 mSv: one head CT scan for about 10 minutes

3-6 mSv: airline crew member, cross-country flights, 900 hrs/yr

3-8 mSv: one barium X-ray for about 0.5 seconds

10 mSv: cooking with natural gas (radon) for a year

5-15 mSv: one full-body CT scan for about 20 minutes

6-18 mSv: one chest CT scan for about 10 minutes

9 mSv: airline crew member, polar flights, such as Tokyo-NYC, 900 hrs/yr

13 mSv: smoking one pack of cigarettes per day for a year

20 mSv: nuclear plant worker, maximum 5-year average*+

50 mSv: cardiac catheterization, coronary angiogram, heart x-ray studies for about 1 hour

50 mSv: nuclear plant worker, maximum total exposure in one year

50-100 mSv: changes in blood chemistry

100 mSv: lowest clearly carcinogenic level; 1 millimort

0.25 Sv: temporary sterility in men

0.50-0.55 Sv: nausea, fatigue within hours

0.70-0.75 Sv: vomiting and hair loss in 2-3 weeks

1-2 Sv: for about an hour, 0 to 5% fatal

2-6 Sv: external-immediate severe skin burns, internal-50% fatal

8-30 Sv: for about an hour, 100% fatal
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Namie, Iitate exposed to radiation doses within 10 to 50 millisieverts
Radiation doses to individuals from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear crisis were the largest within a dose band of 10 to 50 millisieverts in the town of Namie and the village of Iitate in Fukushima Prefecture, the World Health Organization said Wednesday in a preliminary estimate.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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This is misleading.

50 millisieverts is the nuclear worker annual exposure.
These people have also ingested radiation in water and food. They have also breathed it in unknown concentrations. The total amount from exposure and ingestion is unknown..

Until comprehensive medical evaluation is done, we won't know. Even then, will they tell the truth?

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Completely hounest Truth ^

I am sure that just like the Chernobyl accident,the full extent of the affects on Human Health(specifically DNA)may never be fully known nor completely understood.

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1-2 Sv: for about an hour, 0 to 5% fatal


per hour - 24 x 70-x65.....

do the numbers...
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Good that no one is staying in a Area with 1- 2 Sieverts/ hour!


Even the front of Daiichi Nr. 3 gives a max. of 220uSv/h!

@Spitting Cesium,

don't look only for the big Accidents,
we have literally Giga-Bytes of Data
from the People who work with the medical Material
in Hospitals for example!

That Data are much more usable than the NPP-Data
because this People was exposed for Years!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 05/23/2012 09:15 PM
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Thanks to everyone for all the info!!!!
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107.2 Bq/kg of cesium from Fukushima pork
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

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Gives a whole new meaning to 'Hot Pork Sandwich'.

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1-2 Sv: for about an hour, 0 to 5% fatal


per hour - 24 x 70-x65.....

do the numbers...
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Good that no one is staying in a Area with 1- 2 Sieverts/ hour!


Even the front of Daiichi Nr. 3 gives a max. of 220uSv/h!

@Spitting Cesium,

don't look only for the big Accidents,
we have literally Giga-Bytes of Data
from the People who work with the medical Material
in Hospitals for example!

That Data are much more usable than the NPP-Data
because this People was exposed for Years!
 Quoting: the nemui Atom-Boy


That's ok for exposure. The people of Namie have ingested, also. The medical people are never ingesting radioactive substances. The Chernobyl studies are more comparative.

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Re: *** Fukushima *** and other nuclear-----updates and links
Thanks to everyone for all the info!!!!
 Quoting: old guard


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