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WIPP... "Waste Isolation Pilot Plant"... maybe someone is interested...
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CARLSBAD, N.M.,
August
1
, 2013
-
In mid
-
July 2013, the New Mexico Environment
Department (NMED) approved the use of Panel 7 for disposal of defense
-
related transuranic
(TRU) waste at the Department of Energy (DO
E) Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP).
Approval
by NMED for each underground waste disposal panel prior to use is required under the WIPP
Hazardous Waste Facility Permit (Permit).
A panel consists of seven waste disposal rooms and
each room is approximate
ly 13 feet high, 33 feet wide and 300 feet long.
Mining and outfitting,
which includes installation of electricity, monitoring equipment and air regulating bulkheads, of a
panel takes about two to two and a half years.
Once the mining and outfitting are
completed,
the panel is certified by a professional engineer registered in N.M.
The Permit requires the
certification and submittal of related documentation to the NMED Secretary for review and
approval.
The NMED then conducts an inspection to verify tha
t the panel is constructed in
compliance with the Permit requirements.
“We’re very pleased by the NMED documentation
review and its timely approval of Panel 7 for use,” DOE Carlsbad Field Office (CBFO) Manager
Joe Franco said.
CBFO has responsibility for
WIPP and the National TRU Program.
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Waterbug,

Any thoughts on the aftermath of Iran's nuclear power plants getting blasted by Israel. It's just a matter of time.

IMO, add this into the stir and we have one hell of a radioactive northern hemisphere.

Tough times ahead.
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Waterbug,

Any thoughts on the aftermath of Iran's nuclear power plants getting blasted by Israel. It's just a matter of time.

IMO, add this into the stir and we have one hell of a radioactive northern hemisphere.

Tough times ahead.
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I hope that never happens..

Funny, I thought the nuclear threat was pretty much dead after the USSR disintegrated.

Boy, was I wrong.
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Waterbug,

Any thoughts on the aftermath of Iran's nuclear power plants getting blasted by Israel. It's just a matter of time.

IMO, add this into the stir and we have one hell of a radioactive northern hemisphere.

Tough times ahead.
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I hope that never happens..

Funny, I thought the nuclear threat was pretty much dead after the USSR disintegrated.

Boy, was I wrong.
 Quoting: Waterbug


that is a scary point, a few nukes in iran, and there goes the fuku problem huh?
It's life as we know it, but only just.
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Please not to worry about silly Fukushima issue!

Probrem solved !!

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Nothing to see here people.
Go back to your homes.
Enjoy your dinner.
Sleep well.

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Please not to worry about silly Fukushima issue!

Probrem solved !!

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Nothing to see here people.
Go back to your homes.
Enjoy your dinner.
Sleep well.

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I'll believe it when it happens.

What about them coriums..? hehe
They laugh at ice walls.
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Please not to worry about silly Fukushima issue!

Probrem solved !!

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Nothing to see here people.
Go back to your homes.
Enjoy your dinner.
Sleep well.

tard
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I'll believe it when it happens.

What about them coriums..? hehe
They laugh at ice walls.
 Quoting: Waterbug


they'll be nifty little apparatus to make it look like they are saving us... what a crock of shit.....

if you read the article, it uses transduction that yup, gives of steam at the top.. pretty convenient yeah.

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that is a scary point, a few nukes in iran, and there goes the fuku problem huh?
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Plus...

Every damn reactor on earth is a threat..
People do some fucked up shit to further their agendas.
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Sun, sand, surf and radiation in shadow of Fukushima

IWAKI — With its towering waves, golden sand and stunning scenery, Toyoma beach in Iwaki is an almost perfect spot for surfing—if only it wasn’t just down the coast from Japan’s leaking Fukushima nuclear power plant.

“Of course we may seem a little crazy, but for us, the important thing is the waves,” Yuichiro Kobayashi told AFP as he and around 30 other surfers dashed in and out of the water.

“I’m worried, but not enough to stop surfing,” said Naoto Sakai, 31, who comes to test himself against the waves at least three times a week.

“If I worried about what I eat and where I live, I think I would become too stressed. I just try not to think about it too much.”

Toshihisa Mishina, 42, got back in the water again last year, but says there is no way he would let his 12-year-old child join him.

“I worry about the youngsters because if they are exposed to radiation now, it might affect them when they grow up,” he said.
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Ahead of Olympic vote, Tokyo gov. assures no nuclear radiation threat

The governor of Tokyo, which is bidding to host the 2020 Summer Olympics, gave an assurance Friday that there is no threat of nuclear radiation in his city, saying radiation levels are on par with other major cities.

"The radiation dosage in Tokyo is absolutely no different from that of New York, London and Paris," Tokyo Gov. Naoki Inose said at a news conference. It was called apparently to counter concern prompted by the revelation that highly radioactive water recently leaked into the Pacific ocean from a storage tank at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant located about 215 kilometers northeast of the Japanese capital.
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Ahead of Olympic vote, Tokyo gov. assures no nuclear radiation threat

The governor of Tokyo, which is bidding to host the 2020 Summer Olympics, gave an assurance Friday that there is no threat of nuclear radiation in his city, saying radiation levels are on par with other major cities.

"The radiation dosage in Tokyo is absolutely no different from that of New York, London and Paris," Tokyo Gov. Naoki Inose said at a news conference. It was called apparently to counter concern prompted by the revelation that highly radioactive water recently leaked into the Pacific ocean from a storage tank at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant located about 215 kilometers northeast of the Japanese capital.
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Yeah, right. No worries...

Just don't breathe.
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Ahead of Olympic vote, Tokyo gov. assures no nuclear radiation threat

The governor of Tokyo, which is bidding to host the 2020 Summer Olympics, gave an assurance Friday that there is no threat of nuclear radiation in his city, saying radiation levels are on par with other major cities.

"The radiation dosage in Tokyo is absolutely no different from that of New York, London and Paris," Tokyo Gov. Naoki Inose said at a news conference. It was called apparently to counter concern prompted by the revelation that highly radioactive water recently leaked into the Pacific ocean from a storage tank at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant located about 215 kilometers northeast of the Japanese capital.
[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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Yeah, right. No worries...

Just don't breathe.
 Quoting: Waterbug

Or swim...
lmao
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BBC website links to report claiming ocean is ‘boiling’ in front of Fukushima Daiichi (PHOTOS)
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Here’s an excerpt from the report linked to by the BBC:

The sea is boiling off of the coast of Fukushima, Japan, and the picture of this devastating phenomenon has recently been called the photo of the day by Coolbuster. While it certainly can’t be good for any plant or animal life left off of the coast of Japan, it might have even worse consequences for the North American continent. If Fukushima radiation keeps leaking, the boiling seas are likely to spread all the way across the Pacific Ocean to the West Coast of the US causing massive environmental catastrophe.
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TV: “Simulation shows ENTIRE Pacific being polluted by radioactive water in just 6 years” after start of Fukushima crisis — “Experts now fear it may become a scary reality” (VIDEO)
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Although the results failed to grab attention when first released last year, experts now fear that the hypothesis may become a scary reality, after the Japanese government recently admitted that some 3-hundred tons of radioactive water have leaked into the ocean everyday.

Mitsuhei Murata, a former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland: “TEPCO recently admitted to leaks of radioactive water. The amount is much greater than what the simulation had taken into account [10 petabecquerels of Cs-137].” [...]
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The Geology of Fukushima. Porous ground, lowered 10 metres, built over an aquifer with a fault line present, with basements below sea level

SOP for nuclear industry. Below the following article I have placed a further paper, Corium Potential Flow Paths, mainly to annoy the paid nuclear hacks at Flinders and Adelaide Universities. (next time you lot send paid agents of US DOE to disrupt public meetings about Fukushima at Uni SA, have the decency at least to have the hack declare his funding source.)
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see original link and download for full text and diagrams and maps.

At a time when everyone is wondering where the coriums of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant may be, it is interesting to know the nature of the terrain where they could possibly be hiding. Although all documents used to write this article are readily available, most are in Japanese and this explains that to date knowledge of the geology of Fukushima is fragmented. Based on the geological survey that was conducted prior to building the plant, as well as on results of seismic testing and recent research related to drilling, this article will attempt to give an updated picture of the nature of the substratum of the nuclear plant, which may help to predict possible developments in the currently unfolding disaster.

General geological environment

The Fukushima Daiichi Power Station is located on the east coast of Honshu island, in northeastern Japan, on a Cenozoic sedimentary ground, i.e. belonging to the current geological era (from 65.5 million years ago to the present). It is separated from the Abukuma granite plateau by the Futuba fault.

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Original article in French:

“La géologie de Fukushima”
[link to fukushima.over-blog.fr]

I finally have a coherent picture. 2.5 years of obstruction by nuclear industry aimed at preventing people from having any coherent picture of the sequence of decisions which resulted in this nuclear disaster.

1. They lowered the Fukushima coast by 10 metres to make it cheaper to pump cooling water to the proposed power plant. 2. They built the power plant over an aquifer and on ground with a fault line present
3. They built the basements below sea level.
4. The quake diverted the underground river of the aquifer through the basements
5. Being below sea level the emergency generators and switchgear were doomed to be flooded.
6. cooling failed, the reactors melted down, the 70 holes in each reactor bottom (design of control rod entry) meant fuel and water leaked from bottom of reactors.
7. TEPCO decision to put emergency generators and switchgear in basements. to save money in 1966.
8. 400 tons of water must be poured into reactors per day to keep them cool.
9. this water enters the underground river and flows to the sea.
10. fuel is too radioactive to approach and remove and will remain so for years.
11. the flow of radioactive water to the sea will continue. 12. No nuclear expert on earth knows the disposition of the fuel inside and outside the reactors.
13. Japan and the world must live with this disaster for a long time to come.
14. There is insufficient knowledge and no technology which will stop lthis disaster soon.
15. The past 2.5 years have seen a river of lies and with holding of information about these facts. The idea that freezing the soil will stop the flow of water to the sea is insufficient to work. Can they freeze enough and go down deep enough to freeze the aquifer? I doubt it. They have not started yet.
16. If all the known facts of this had been disclosed in March 2011, the people of Japan and the world would have turned with very great anger against the people who did this and defend this. The delay in information has actually made this anger worse.

If I were a rich man living in Japan I would start fish farming in the lakes of Japan and become even richer, for I would not eat anything caught in the sea. Sorry to say.
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Corium Potential Flow Paths:

There was an estimated 50 tons of reactor fuel and 800 tons of graphite left in the reactor at Chernobyl after the explosion there.
Fukushima has an estimated 70 tons of fuel in unit 1 and 90 tons of fuel in units 2 and 3. It is not know how much was ejected in
the explosions at Fukushima. So the reactors at Fukushima may contain more fuel in the core, but Chernobyl has a large amount of
graphite mixed in.

Below is a rough drawing to show the concrete thicknesses, potential corium flow paths and structures at Fukushima.
[link to www.houseoffoust.com]
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There is only 2.7 meters of concrete under the torus suppression chamber..
where they believe the corium melted through.

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weekending news:

Thread: Bearing more bad news.. the worst is now Mainstream from Fuku; the Leaks now are equal to the event : video

Thread: "How the Fukushima Ice Barrier Will Block Radioactive Groundwater", (really)? MIT synopsis?

Thread: Japan’s nuclear comedy just goes on and on

Thread: Videos: Leaks and the Olympics? Dilution the Solution coming, mark my words.... (not that they haven't from the outset)

Thread: Is Fukushima an emergency yet? (that's not mist [picture])?

Thread: TEPCO president apologizes to Fukushima fishermen: Fukushima radiation fears.... again, again again, srry srry sry...
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High radiation readings suggest new water tank leak at Fukushima

Very high radiation levels were observed Saturday at three tanks and one of the pipes connecting them at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, pointing to the possibility that radioactive water may have newly leaked, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The radiation readings were from 70 to 1,800 millisieverts per hour, although none of the tanks showed any visible drop in their water levels, the plant operator said, adding it is investigating the cause.

The tanks are built of steel plates held together by bolts, the same structure as the tank that was found last week to have leaked 300 tons of highly toxic water.
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No. 3 reactor at Oi plant to be suspended Mon.

Kansai Electric Power Co. will suspend the No. 3 reactor at its Oi nuclear power plant in Fukui Prefecture on Monday afternoon for mandatory routine checks.

The No. 4 reactor at the plant will also be suspended on Sept. 15, halting Japan's nuclear power supply again for the first time in around 14 months. The two reactors are the only units currently online in Japan.

It will be the second time for all 50 commercial reactors in Japan to be offline since the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi plant disaster heightened public concern over the safety of nuclear power.
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Nuclear Chemist: Fukushima plant “like a minefield” — Now 1,800 milliseiverts per hour detected in four different spots
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It certainly isn't helping.



Reporter in Japan: There is concern over Fukushima contamination polluting entire world, at least the Pacific Ocean (VIDEO)
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Lots of information here. Thanks waterbug.
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Nuclear Chemist: Fukushima plant “like a minefield” — Now 1,800 milliseiverts per hour detected in four different spots
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“like a minefield”

Do we even have months until Fukushima Daiichi is evacuated?
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Nuclear Chemist: Fukushima plant “like a minefield” — Now 1,800 milliseiverts per hour detected in four different spots
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“like a minefield”

Do we even have months until Fukushima Daiichi is evacuated?
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The focus on the water contamination from the tanks is a distraction.
That radiation is mostly beta.

It has been a perilous situation all along.
Every so often, one of the hazards is discovered.
They aren't usually new hazards, but hazards which have existed and are treated as new discoveries.
On this forum, there is a rush to get pins and the attention they bring.
This has the net result of distracting from the really major issues.
Not my style.

The main pressing issue is unit 4 SFP.
To remove those 1300 fuel assemblies safely is a monumental task.. to attempt it manually, without computer control, adds exponentially to the risk.
My pucker factor will be a 10 when tepco begins the removal process in November.
Hope for the best.. but, remember.. tepco has a verifiable track record of screwing things up.

The melted cores are in the ground.
Not much can be done about them for many years.
New tech must be developed to deal with them.. sometime in the future.

It is what it is.
Hence my anti-nuke status.

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It should be remembered that tepco lied out their ass throughout this nuclear crisis, as we determined early on.
The reports were not matching the readings and information we uncovered in Fuku1 thread..

They also withheld the plume information from the people, creating havoc during the eventual evacuations.
Homes and schools were unknowingly in the path of the plume.
Residents evacuating, unknowingly drove into the plume.

It is mandated in nuclear regulations that SPEEDI, the system in place for emergency evacuation information, be implemented immediately upon ascertaining the direction of the radioactive plume.

For this, the top management at tepco should be indicted.

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Governor: Who instructed Tepco to lie for months and say Fukushima didn’t melt down? “It should have been explained there were reasons why lies had to be told” (VIDEO)
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At 49:00 in

Hirohiko Izumida, Governor of Niigata Prefecture: Tepco on either the 12th of March or on the 11th of March had already anticipated a meltdown to occur.

For example, there should be soul-searching in regard to Fukushima, and it should be made clear as to who gave the instructions to tell lies for a period of two months.
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It should be remembered that tepco lied out their ass throughout this nuclear crisis, as we determined early on.
The reports were not matching the readings and information we uncovered in Fuku1 thread..

They also withheld the plume information from the people, creating havoc during the eventual evacuations.
Homes and schools were unknowingly in the path of the plume.
Residents evacuating, unknowingly drove into the plume.

It is mandated in nuclear regulations that SPEEDI, the system in place for emergency evacuation information, be implemented immediately upon ascertaining the direction of the radioactive plume.

For this, the top management at tepco should be indicted.

...



Governor: Who instructed Tepco to lie for months and say Fukushima didn’t melt down? “It should have been explained there were reasons why lies had to be told” (VIDEO)
[link to enenews.com]


At 49:00 in

Hirohiko Izumida, Governor of Niigata Prefecture: Tepco on either the 12th of March or on the 11th of March had already anticipated a meltdown to occur.

For example, there should be soul-searching in regard to Fukushima, and it should be made clear as to who gave the instructions to tell lies for a period of two months.
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Thanks but what kind of time frame are you looking at for Fukushima evacuation? Months? Years? How many?
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It should be remembered that tepco lied out their ass throughout this nuclear crisis, as we determined early on.
The reports were not matching the readings and information we uncovered in Fuku1 thread..

They also withheld the plume information from the people, creating havoc during the eventual evacuations.
Homes and schools were unknowingly in the path of the plume.
Residents evacuating, unknowingly drove into the plume.

It is mandated in nuclear regulations that SPEEDI, the system in place for emergency evacuation information, be implemented immediately upon ascertaining the direction of the radioactive plume.

For this, the top management at tepco should be indicted.

...



Governor: Who instructed Tepco to lie for months and say Fukushima didn’t melt down? “It should have been explained there were reasons why lies had to be told” (VIDEO)
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At 49:00 in

Hirohiko Izumida, Governor of Niigata Prefecture: Tepco on either the 12th of March or on the 11th of March had already anticipated a meltdown to occur.

For example, there should be soul-searching in regard to Fukushima, and it should be made clear as to who gave the instructions to tell lies for a period of two months.
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Thanks but what kind of time frame are you looking at for Fukushima evacuation? Months? Years? How many?
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Tomorrow, next year, ten years from now, never..?
Impossible to know.
I'm not psychic.

I believe what Gundersen believes.
If building 4 SFP collapses, the consequences will be enormous.
e.g. Unapproachable open-air criticalities and massive radiation emissions.
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TEPCO steps up monitoring of toxic water leaks

The operator of the disabled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has boosted efforts to monitor hundreds of storage tanks holding radioactive water.

Tokyo Electric Power Company has increased the number of inspectors from 10 to 90 and doubled the tank's monitoring activities to 4 times a day.

On August 19th, TEPCO workers found contaminated water leak from a storage tank in an area near the number 4 reactor.

Over the weekend, the operator detected extremely high levels of radiation in storage tanks in 2 other areas. More water leaks were also found.
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