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Minister of the Environment Hosono expressed some concern that "No one knows where the fuel is until we open the reactors", but he reaffirmed the cold shutdown, following the lead of his prime minister. He said, "No matter where the fuel is, it is being cooled".
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This has been my main issue for months. If they cannot confirm the location of the fuel then how can they say Cold Shutdown? Are they still basing things on the computer model that they put "guesstimates" into?
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What they call 'transparency' is information that they know they can't hide. All the good stuff they are keeping to themselves. Obviously, they know a helluva lot more than they are reporting. Without an inside source, they cannot be found out easily.

The journalist expose could break this wide open. It was an AP story. Can of worms.
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I also wonder about the lack of info from our own military. We have some large bases in Japan. WTF? Years from now, when our troops have developed illnesses, will they cover it? Makes me wonder....
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We have some large bases in Japan. WTF? Years from now, when our troops have developed illnesses, will they cover it? Makes me wonder....
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Good question. I would hope so, but... agent orange?
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We have some large bases in Japan. WTF? Years from now, when our troops have developed illnesses, will they cover it? Makes me wonder....
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Good question. I would hope so, but... agent orange?
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Not wanting to sound like one of the "uncle" threads but...my nephew is in the navy and works in aviation electronics. They are changing the birds to scan for more nuclear type stuff and to have the ability to scan farther under ground. He can't say what and all but I do know only 4 people in the navy do what he does. I hope they will be putting it to good use.
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[link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]

work video from fuku from 14-15 december... make of it what you will.. wouldn't want to be one of the poor blokes rubbing the insulation onto those hoses... they don't stop radiation exposure..... hope those hazmat suits are top quality....

and stomach-flu hits 52 workers link

Thread: "Stomach flu" outbreak hits 52 workers at Fukushima nuclear plant

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- here's a comment about this YT vid that caught my eye. Talking about Chernobyl. Not Fuku...





The men who rushed to the reactor immediately following the disaster ('liquidators') were true heroes. All of them. Some of the bravest human beings in all history. I realize they were told nothing... but they sacrificed themselves to save many others. Enveloped by pestilence, silent, creeping death.... thousands of roentengens. Heroes.






Thanks to Burt Gummer for this.
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But, but...we meant something else when we said it was a cold shutdown. It is exactly the same as cold shutdown, only different.

The long and winding road to an explanation of 'cold shutdown'.

The Nuclear Energy Institute(NEI) parses 'Tepcospeak'.

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TEPCO understood this important nuance to achieving “cold shutdown” early on this year when it developed its initial recovery plans and developed a new term, “cold shutdown condition,” which applies to how they are bringing the reactors to stable condition. Their definition is as follows:

Temperature of RPV bottom is, in general, below 100 degrees Celsius.
Release of radioactive materials from PCV is under control and public radiation exposure by additional release is being significantly held down. (Not exceed 1 mSv/y at the site boundary as a target.)
By their definition, the Fukushima Daiichi reactors will reach “cold shutdown condition” once they are below boiling point and are no longer releasing significant amounts of radiation into the atmosphere.

This new definition, thus, has an important distinction between the more commonly used “cold shutdown,” which typically takes place at a nuclear plant under normal conditions.
[link to safetyfirst.nei.org]


'By their definition' kinda says it all.
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Japan less likely to trust officials, main media, since disaster

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For many older Japanese, the government remains a trusted, paternal overseer. But younger Japanese are now consulting the Internet and other information sources, rather than depending on major media.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., or Tepco, announced on national TV that all was well: The utility was on top of the accident. No radiation had been released into the atmosphere. Return to regular programming.

Mainstream media dutifully reported that story. But not Shiraishi's "Our Planet TV," which soon broadcast a live interview with five Japanese reporters in Futaba City, a community near the stricken plant. The reporters, who had covered the Chernobyl disaster, told a very different tale.

"They held up Geiger counters showing the level of radiation was almost beyond calculation," said Shiraishi, a former network TV journalist who co-founded the Internet venture in 2001, hosts the show and reports many of its stories. "They'd never seen anything like it.""As soon as we broadcast anything about radiation, viewership just goes through the roof," Shiraishi said. "People tell us that they're now just learning that what the government has been telling them all along might just be a fairy tale."

[link to www.latimes.com]

More evidence of Tepco's deception.

The Tepco ball of yarn is unravelling. The young people of Japan will turn the tide....

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Official survey: Fukushima impact on general health “extremely small”

The survey was carried out by the Fukushima Prefecture local government in the towns of Namie, Iitate and part of Kawamata and it measured the cumulative external radiation exposure on residents.

In other words, the survey measured the radiation exposure to the skin, and did not look at the so-called internal exposure, or radiation taken into human body from contaminated food, air or water.

The result shows that the accident's "impact on the health of the general public is extremely small," according to senior nuclear adviser Shunichi Yamashita, vice president of Fukushima Medical University.

[link to www.tokyotimes.co.jp]



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NUCLEAR CRISIS--9 MONTHS ON / Focus on radiation screenings ended up claiming patients' lives


The Nuclear Safety Commission was in disarray over the screening.

On March 14, the Fukushima prefectural government raised the standard for designating people requiring full-body decontamination from 13,000 counts per minute (cpm) or more, which was based on its radiation emergency medicine manual, to 100,000 cpm or more. The cpm refers to the number of atoms in a given quantity of radioactive material to decay in one minute.

There were fears that, under the original standard, there would be too many people requiring full-body decontamination, preventing smooth evacuation due to staff shortage.

Also, water necessary for decontamination was in short supply due to suspension of water services.

"Decontamination was difficult in the situation. It was irrational to apply the normal standard to an emergency situation," said Hiroshima University Prof. Koichi Tanigawa, who suggested the prefecture raise the standard.

However, the NSC's Technical Advisory Organization, an emergency panel convened by the commission in a nuclear emergency, announced the same day the previous standard was appropriate.

This resulted in double standards between the central and prefectural governments. There were fears evacuees from Fukushima Prefecture would have been denied entry to evacuation centers in other prefectures, where the standard for full-body decontamination was lower than Fukushima Prefecture.

However, in a sudden reversal, the advisory organization on March 19 approved the increase of the standard to 100,000 cpm.

"To evacuate people to areas outside of the prefecture smoother, the standards should be unified," a panel source said.

"It took us time to understand the situation in the prefecture," NSC Chairman Haruki Madarame, explained.

It was not until April 17, more than one month after the March 11 disaster, when advisory panel investigators visited Fukushima Prefecture for the first time.
[link to www.yomiuri.co.jp]



- I love how the Japanese change the rules to suit the situation. Kinda hard to pin them down for breaking them.
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Japan PM Yoshihiko Noda's visit to push stalled n-deal talks

Nuclear negotiations with India, which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, have been a sensitive political subject in Japan, the only country that has been targeted by nuclear weapons.

The growing strategic proximity between New Delhi and Tokyo, as evidenced by the India-US-Japan trilateral dialogue which will be held in Washington next week, and the desire of Japan, whose economy is not doing too well, to expand trade and investment with India could also prod Tokyo to step up nuclear negotiations with New Delhi to get a share of the $150 billion nuclear market.

A nuclear deal with Japan is necessary for
India to implement the India-US nuclear deal as leading American nuclear companies like GE and Westinghouse are partly owned by Japanese companies.

The two sides have exchanged draft texts of a bilateral nuclear pact and are making progress on bridging differences, said the sources.
[link to economictimes.indiatimes.com]


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Former nuclear industry insider speaks out on lessons and disillusionment

How ironic is it that this former nuclear energy advocate has lost both his current life and future life plans to nuclear energy?


It's easy to say with hindsight on one's side, but even a layperson could've imagined the possibility of nuclear plants being damaged by major quakes and tsunami in a quake-prone country like Japan with long coastlines. So why couldn't the experts?

"You know why?" Kitamura began, taking another breath before continuing. "It's because experts reached conclusions based merely on statistics that 'in Japan, the country with the world's best record of non-interrupted power supply, it would be very difficult to imagine having no power supply for long periods of time,' and refused to entertain other possibilities. They did not go to the scene to check for themselves whether power could actually be restored. Therein lies the major problem."

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sigh. weep... sigh.. deep breath... nuther sigh.........................................................​.............................................................​.............................................................​.............................................................​.............................................................​......................................................

i have realised i can type a million words.... it will not change until people accept the truth..............

peace and mry xmas for those that enjoy it.. i prefer to call it chill day with my maker... GRIN....

CP

ps this is far to beyond comprehension of most folks, the harsh reality steals too many basic dreams.... sad, for there lays the demise of our future, if we cannot admit to the situation and work to the fix of the situation... ask the romans, greeks, mayans.. etc etc....

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N-plant procedure ignored? / Workers 'didn't check' reactor pressure day before explosion

A government panel has found that workers at the No. 3 reactor of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant stopped operation of a high-pressure core cooling system without checking if a substitute pumping system would work on March 13, one day before a hydrogen explosion occurred there, sources said.

By failing to check if the reactor's fire pump could inject water instead of the emergency cooling device, the workers may have failed to follow instructions in the plant's operating manual, according to the panel established to investigate and verify the facts of the nuclear crisis.

After stopping the operation of the high-pressure core cooling system in the early hours of March 13, the workers could not inject water through the fire pump because of the high pressure in the reactor.

As a result, water injection into the reactor was suspended for about 6-1/2 hours before a hydrogen explosion occurred just after 11 a.m. the following day.
[link to www.yomiuri.co.jp]


- posted this information early on in the deleted Fuku thread. I was just learning of Tepco's mishandling of the event and their mistakes.

These facts are coming out 8 months later.
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NRC Receives Memorandum on SECY-11-0137 - Prioritization Of Recommended Actions to be Taken In Response to Fukushima Lessons Learned

The Commission has approved the staff's proposed prioritization of the Near-Term Task Force (NTTF) recommendations and supports action on the Tier 1 and Tier 2 recommendations, subject to the direction contained in the Staff Requirements Memorandum on SECY-11-0124, and the following additional comments.

[link to www.power-eng.com]



- now that they have almost prioritized the needed changes... they need more discussion.

Maybe they will eventually get around to actually doing something.
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Whale hunts matter more than saving people

Want to know why Japan’s earthquake recovery efforts are moving in slow motion? Ask the whales.

Tokyoites have grown accustomed to shocking news items since the earth shook and the oceans rose: the nuclear meltdown has proven far worse than the government admitted; radioactive cesium made its way into baby food; more leaks were found in the damaged Fukushima reactor; warnings by seismologists still go unheeded.

Yet the tale of the whales and the $30 million is what proved most disturbing ― and shed fresh light on why Japan is either unable or unwilling to undertake the broad reforms needed to avert credit-rating downgrades and reverse deepening deflation.

Japan spent about 2.28 billion yen on whaling hunting expeditions from funds allocated for recovery from the earthquake and tsunami. It’s a drop in the proverbial bucket, given that the government plans to spend at least $300 billion rebuilding the Tohoku region. It’s a highly telling expenditure, though, with significance far beyond the price tag.
[link to www.koreaherald.com]


- ahem..
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Tokyo Elec. Power : (Dec 16,2011)Detection of Radioactive Materials from Seawater near Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (259th release)


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Whale hunts matter more than saving people

Want to know why Japan’s earthquake recovery efforts are moving in slow motion? Ask the whales.

Tokyoites have grown accustomed to shocking news items since the earth shook and the oceans rose: the nuclear meltdown has proven far worse than the government admitted; radioactive cesium made its way into baby food; more leaks were found in the damaged Fukushima reactor; warnings by seismologists still go unheeded.

Yet the tale of the whales and the $30 million is what proved most disturbing ― and shed fresh light on why Japan is either unable or unwilling to undertake the broad reforms needed to avert credit-rating downgrades and reverse deepening deflation.

Japan spent about 2.28 billion yen on whaling hunting expeditions from funds allocated for recovery from the earthquake and tsunami. It’s a drop in the proverbial bucket, given that the government plans to spend at least $300 billion rebuilding the Tohoku region. It’s a highly telling expenditure, though, with significance far beyond the price tag.
[link to www.koreaherald.com]


- ahem..
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i have this already posted here and at blog.. they have re-routed disaster funds in the millions so their whaling fleet can go safely to kill off endangered species to fulfill their delicate little paletes with "research meat"

from where? disaster funds... again


very fuggin honourablesun

where is my private tepco shill when he he be boinking......
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Toshiba’s New Portable Gamma Camera Searching for Radiation Hotspots Around Fukushima

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- wonder if they have those at Walmart, yet?
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Can anyone tell me if tower 4 is in danger of collapsing?

A friend told me this yesterday and I can find nothing in the news about this.
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Escaped ostriches wandering around no-go zone
[link to www.japantimes.co.jp]
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Can anyone tell me if tower 4 is in danger of collapsing?

A friend told me this yesterday and I can find nothing in the news about this.
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yes and no

danger of collapse.. yes
reasurring tepco photos of cleanup.. yes


facts:
-the spent fuel pool is non-existant
-the core was empty when it exploded
- the spent fuel pool WAS there before any of the crisis
- the spent fuel pool no longer exists, and therefor, any mention of it being there is a grand lie

more chronology? [link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]
(it is my site, but is only a chronology, but with excellent links to the top 8 sites that are daily updates)

cheers

keep it out there

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Decades of nuclear power have left a dangerous legacy


More than 240,000 tonnes of intensely radioactive civilian waste has piled up around the globe since the dawning of the atomic age.

Sixty years on, no one is sure yet how to safely and permanently dispose of the stuff, much of it harmful to living organisms for thousands of years.

Canada's share of the high-level heap stands at 44,000 tonnes. Virtually all is spent uranium fuel bundles — 2.3 million of them — that powered the commercial and research reactors that made Canada a leading nuclear nation.

Read more: [link to www.canada.com]
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Thank you citizenperth.

I have the impression that they've only made cosmetic improvements on the site.

It's still bubbling and boiling, waiting for the next shoe to drop.
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Doom on...
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What is this light on the Fukushima webcam?
I saw it yesterday and thought it was the sun, but it's dark now.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
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What is this light on the Fukushima webcam?
I saw it yesterday and thought it was the sun, but it's dark now.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
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Honestly, if someone will answe me, I'll stop asking!

Maybe everyone else knows what it is except me..

Please..

tissue
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What is this light on the Fukushima webcam?
I saw it yesterday and thought it was the sun, but it's dark now.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
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Honestly, if someone will answe me, I'll stop asking!

Maybe everyone else knows what it is except me..

Please..

tissue
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Seems to be a high-intensity worklight. Why it is there, IDK. To obscure a view of something, maybe. Or could be incidental to the cleanup.

They are crafty devils when it comes to deceit...
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What is this light on the Fukushima webcam?
I saw it yesterday and thought it was the sun, but it's dark now.

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
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Honestly, if someone will answe me, I'll stop asking!

Maybe everyone else knows what it is except me..

Please..

tissue
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relax.. i like the doom part.. they have installed a split level dusk cover in and "over the cam, that is actually bi-polexed... therefore if after dark (funny enough)... any "light events" will "fractuate" with the lens flaring...

also.. as such it will remain debatable if anything :Steam like".. "release like".. could be accountable to many atmospheric anomolies (in their own words).. left again to make our own minds up....

point to ponder, is that they have placed "cam shield" over number 1, and yet follow fuku cam, of an evening with recriticality.. the cam goes down...

again.. sry for grammar and spelling.. typing again in the dark....
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