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NRC Reactor AP1000 Design Certification Amended
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This is what I aim to do. I have hundreds of hours of recordings. I have thousands of pages of text. Now I'm going to paint a picture with evidence provided by them. Not be guessing. I want to be able to prove or disprove everything I can.

Unfortunately, that also means I'll need some source for what you've given me. It may seem basic to you and it may very well be, but in a document that can stand scrutiny from the average citizen here I want it ironclad. We know radioactivity can escape in that steam because such-and-such manual teaches us that.

You get what I am going to do, yes?
Brick by brick, piece by piece I am going to build the case that somebody really, really screwed up really, really bad. Not because I think that, but because I can prove that.

So there are a whole bunch of powerful folks here that must not think they did anything wrong and the only way to get the grass roots support needed to change things is simple and easy to explain words backed by solid proof.

We can't go horsing around with theories and guesses or any of that stuff. The case has to built on solid easy to understand facts. It's the only way this is going to work.


Now as of my questions here I am going to start putting all the pieces together and paint a picture with words. And some basic images, like that steam escaping from the little square of a hole in that wall.

Eventually, I'll get more support, but right now there aren't too many of us.
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I get it.

I'll be glad to share any information or links. I'm sure many who view this thread would be glad to contribute, as well.

I suggest posting specific questions here in the sequence you wish and give us a little time to find the information, if we can, to your satisfaction.

Perhaps we can be of some assistance.


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@MIH

in so far as radiation is concerned, it doesn't need steam, it doesn't smell, and you can't see it, of course steam, water and materials help it to move further afield faster.

the reason it is "somewhat" contained is the building structures and such block some of the directions and distance it can travel, that is the reason helicopters and such are not being used, as anything above the reactor would be in "line of sight" of radioctive beams and emmisions from continued reactions... if that helps

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ICRP underestimated the low dose symptom risk by 85%

Posted by Mochizuki on December 30th, 2011 · 9 Comments


NHK is starting to change its attitude to the truth. It’s finally starting to broadcast what is actually true.
On 12/28/2011 ,NHK reported ICRP’s manipulation in late 80s.

translation of a very important tv report

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citizenperth, are you indicating in your post that radioactive particles can move about through the air without attaching themselves to another particle?

As for the structures housing the reactors; reactor buildings 1, 3, and 4 all lost most, or all the upper panels attached to the building frames. It was reactor building 2 which had most of the upper panels still in place, but had one panel missing that allowed such clear images of the steam escaping out that square hole which I wrote about above. But we'll skip number 2 in this post.

We'll focus on 1, 3, and 4 and the way I am reading the information I have is that there is no radiation monitoring device attached to any part of the upper area of the structures of any of those three reactor buildings.

The way I am understanding the situation is that until July 8th the closest radiation monitoring device to any of those reactor buildings was possibly 800 metters away, and that's giving the phrase "approximately 1km away" a very conservative read.

So we have three reactor buildings open at the top and we have no monitoring devices attached some place above or near the top of any of those buildings and I, being a simple country boy, would assume that radiation is going out the top of those broken buildings and if there are no monitoring devices high up on any of those buildings then nobody really knows how much radiation has been, or still is, escaping from those buildings.

So that's why I am looking for somebody who should know, an expert type, or worker in the business, -- why I'm asking the question about does that radiation primarily rise straight up into the atmosphere?

I am trying to establish with a high degree of certainty (or proof) that because there have been no monitoring devices on any of those three broken buildings then there is no way anyone can tell us for sure how much radiation had been emitted from those three buildings.

As of the end of October Reactor Building No. 1 has the new cover in place and we are informed that contains (holds back) a lot of radiation.

Now it is interesting that the press release from NHK World can still be viewed using the link below.

[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]

I wrote "it is interesting" because I have a letter from NHK World that states it's a mistake in their system that allows you to be able to view that page.

But that's a different problem.

That October 29th press release from/by NHK World is full of comments 'from' TEPCO that radiation is being emitted from those buildings and if they don't have any monitoring devices attached to any of the skeletons -- those ugly frames jutting up into the air -- if they have no monitoring device up there how can they tell us how much radiation was emitted?

If the answer is they can't, I need to be able to explain why and to me the easiest way is to show that the radiation can, if it wants to, can shoot straight up into the air past all those measuring devices over by the gate and that one now on the hill 500 meters away and all those around the compound. That the radiation monster just decided to go straight up and head off on its own little voyage.

"How many of these little teeny weeny radiation monsters disappeared off into the wild blue?"

"Well, we're sorry we can't tell you exactly, but we think ..."

"WOW, stop right there!" "You THINK!?" "What do you mean you THINK!?"

"Well, we don't have any measuring devices attached to the buildings, so ..."

Now that's why I'm pressing for very clear answers. I am aiming to paint a beautifully clear picture with words. What we have been getting from the Japanese government since Day 1 and from TEPCO has been beautifully painted fog. Once in a bit they paint something that allows us to see through the fog, but we can't even trust that, because we have been treated like the proverbial mushroom for so long our vision is impaired. We need our vision back and the only way that will happen is if somebody starts painting beautifully clear pictures for us.

And, forgive me, but I'm looking for help to paint some of those pictures. I just want to get it started, that's all. Of course, the Japanese themselves have to pick up the ball and go for the goal. But sometimes it's hard to get the players on the field in Japan. Some may wonder why I think I know that, so I'll state now, if I haven't above, I've been here for over 20 years. Maybe 25 is getting closer. I've also lived in two other Asian nations for a number of years. Anyway, as far as Japan is concerned I know just a tad bit about the folks living here. Sometimes they need a little push to get the ball rolling.

And I've used the ball metaphor twice now so I best roll out of here before the metaphor monster steps on me.
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i have a chronological blog as well, so your welcome to check it out....

we (those that follow this seriously), would thankyou for your additional reporting... need to keep it out there....

[link to fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]

oh and welcome, you should shortly be designated your own personal shill.....

you will recognise shill by the fact that they taunt alot, deny alot, and offer no evidence, nor argument..

;)

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Powerful earthquake hits Tokyo
A strong earthquake struck Tokyo and surrounding areas on Sunday afternoon.

The earthquake occurred at around 2:28 PM local time.

Japan's Meteorological Agency says the earthquake had an estimated magnitude of 7.0, with its focus 370 kilometers deep near Torishima Island in the Pacific Ocean.

The coastal cities of Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, and Iwanuma, Miyagi Prefecture, were among those that felt the strongest tremor.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said no new developments are reported at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and nearby Daini nuclear plant.
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Powerful earthquake hits Tokyo
A strong earthquake struck Tokyo and surrounding areas on Sunday afternoon.

The earthquake occurred at around 2:28 PM local time.

Japan's Meteorological Agency says the earthquake had an estimated magnitude of 7.0, with its focus 370 kilometers deep near Torishima Island in the Pacific Ocean.

The coastal cities of Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture, and Iwanuma, Miyagi Prefecture, were among those that felt the strongest tremor.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said no new developments are reported at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and nearby Daini nuclear plant.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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Given their track record for dishonesty, I'm wondering how bad it would have to be before they would be forced to admit any further damage.

I guess it would have to be apparent to us, first.

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Concerning the questions about radiation rising into the atmosphere.

Radiation itself is a form of light-wave, or of elementary particles which extend out similar to how light behaves. The radiation itself does not rise in the atmosphere any more than light extends out in all directions in a particular moment.

Radiation is produced at random moments by "radioactive particles". Radiation is produced mostly by material, in this case of Fukushima, and much of that pollution is in the form of fine particles down to the molecular level.

As a different example, radiation produced by a microwave oven is not produced by matter, so when the electromagnetic emitter is turned of, just like a lamp is turned off, that radiation ceases to exist.

The radiation measured by a dosimeter is measuring the "light", the radiation itself, but does not easily or simply describe the true risk to life, which is better described in the composition and distribution of the dust which is the source of the radiation, and where that material will tend to concentrate.

When those radioactive particles rise into the atmosphere in the form of fine dust, then the carriers of the future radiation to be produced by that material, that is what rises up into the atmosphere.

Radioactive exposure from material sources is very problematic, because it continues for very long periods of time.

The Fukushima situation is very Fucked.

This is why, if higher life forms wish to survive on this planet, then those open sores need to be capped with boron and concrete.

This is because it is easier to deal with the radiation itself in the form of "light", by building solid barriers, than to deal with the radioactive materials which continue to emit the radiation, once they are let loose into the environment.

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Like many people, I've been following the events at Fuku since shortly after the EQ on 3.11.11. That is how I found GLP.

It has been a rough and rocky road to understand what has happened and the consequences and additionally understand the technological and nuclear processes involved and the effects of the meltdowns on people and environment.

I learned a great deal during the run of the first big Fuku thread. There were some great posts and great posters. Monkeyfister was a constant source of technical and overall good information and sources. Southern Oregon, a regular poster and friend with delightful insight. Conelrad and GodLike Elite, my first friends here on GLP, were great to interact with during those initial, very frightening weeks of personal ignorance.

Many, many more. I can't name them all but they know who they are and I am forever grateful to them.

Thank you, as well, to the current posters and friends who keep this thread going. I hope we can continue to be a source of information for those who are looking for truth, as we are, and have been for the better part of a year..

I'd also like to thank SickScent...

To paraphrase one of his posters, 'Your threads make me dizzy and smoke comes out my ears'. I had developed a cold rage deep inside and he has helped me to understand that there are better things ahead for mankind.

Happy New Year and I pray for God to bless us all.


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I watched this young man's first YouTube vids when he initially went to Japan. He deserves our support.



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Like many people, I've been following the events at Fuku since shortly after the EQ on 3.11.11. That is how I found GLP.

It has been a rough and rocky road to understand what has happened and the consequences and additionally understand the technological and nuclear processes involved and the effects of the meltdowns on people and environment.

I learned a great deal during the run of the first big Fuku thread. There were some great posts and great posters. Monkeyfister was a constant source of technical and overall good information and sources. Southern Oregon, a regular poster and friend with delightful insight. Conelrad and GodLike Elite, my first friends here on GLP, were great to interact with during those initial, very frightening weeks of personal ignorance.

Many, many more. I can't name them all but they know who they are and I am forever grateful to them.

Thank you, as well, to the current posters and friends who keep this thread going. I hope we can continue to be a source of information for those who are looking for truth, as we are, and have been for the better part of a year..

I'd also like to thank SickScent...

To paraphrase one of his posters, 'Your threads make me dizzy and smoke comes out my ears'. I had developed a cold rage deep inside and he has helped me to understand that there are better things ahead for mankind.

Happy New Year and I pray for God to bless us all.


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Awe, thanks Bug. I'm also thankful for our little tin foil hat group for continuing to seek facts and put them out for everyone to see. If nothing else, it is a way for people to be informed,discuss, and make their own decisions. Happy New Year to you & your family!
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Like many people, I've been following the events at Fuku since shortly after the EQ on 3.11.11. That is how I found GLP.

It has been a rough and rocky road to understand what has happened and the consequences and additionally understand the technological and nuclear processes involved and the effects of the meltdowns on people and environment.

I learned a great deal during the run of the first big Fuku thread. There were some great posts and great posters. Monkeyfister was a constant source of technical and overall good information and sources. Southern Oregon, a regular poster and friend with delightful insight. Conelrad and GodLike Elite, my first friends here on GLP, were great to interact with during those initial, very frightening weeks of personal ignorance.

Many, many more. I can't name them all but they know who they are and I am forever grateful to them.

Thank you, as well, to the current posters and friends who keep this thread going. I hope we can continue to be a source of information for those who are looking for truth, as we are, and have been for the better part of a year..

I'd also like to thank SickScent...

To paraphrase one of his posters, 'Your threads make me dizzy and smoke comes out my ears'. I had developed a cold rage deep inside and he has helped me to understand that there are better things ahead for mankind.

Happy New Year and I pray for God to bless us all.


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Awe, thanks Bug. I'm also thankful for our little tin foil hat group for continuing to seek facts and put them out for everyone to see. If nothing else, it is a way for people to be informed,discuss, and make their own decisions. Happy New Year to you & your family!
 Quoting: Southern OR


and to you both as well :) thankyou for all your contributions to my articles and posts

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Nuclear decontamination law goes into full force
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A nuclear decontamination law went into full effect Sunday, setting the stage for full-fledged efforts to clean up buildings, soil and waste contaminated with radioactive materials in areas affected by the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Fukushima Prefecture.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]

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I was disgusted to see the dump trucks dumping in Tokyo Bay in Arnie Gundersen's video.

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TEPCO Believes Mission Accomplished & Regulators Allow Radioactive Dumping in Tokyo Bay
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Nuclear decontamination law goes into full force
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A nuclear decontamination law went into full effect Sunday, setting the stage for full-fledged efforts to clean up buildings, soil and waste contaminated with radioactive materials in areas affected by the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Fukushima Prefecture.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]

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I was disgusted to see the dump trucks dumping in Tokyo Bay in Arnie Gundersen's video.

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TEPCO Believes Mission Accomplished & Regulators Allow Radioactive Dumping in Tokyo Bay
[link to vimeo.com]


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fuck!.......

thanks bug

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Shoji Yamada is also fighting on, despite the pain caused by the loss of his two grandchildren.

The 64-year-old former construction worker holds a pneumatic drill and is helping to clear rubble.

Until recently, Yamada couldn’t look at the photographs of his grandchildren on the small altar that he and his wife erected. “But now we say that our grandchildren shouldn’t see the weeping faces of their grandparents,” he says.

[link to main.omanobserver.om]

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As a grandfather of 3, this is heart-wrenching for me to read.

What strength of character they must have.

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Thank you, ehecatl, for your post and I'll get back to that after I have had time to organize my thoughts. I clearly see the error that I made and I am very glad you noticed it.

BUT, in this post, I wanted to offer an observation about our quake yesterday afternoon. It was different. I haven't had time to read any technical reports, but I'll bet a few yen it was not an aftershock of March 11th.

I noted it was different, and by that I mean it came on ever so slowly and built strength over a long period of time -- long period of time for a quake. Most of what we have been getting for the past 10 months have been the sharp jolt at the beginning and then the shaking for however long a given shake wants to rattle our nerves.

Yesterday was weird. Very weird.

It has been coming to me slowly over the past months from what I have been reading, but I'd say that there are new dynamics at play here in our area when it comes to plate tectonics and I suspect we're going to have a lot more of the "weird" shakes in future.

But we may not have felt the last from that area out there near/below Tori Island.

Too bad, it's rock-and-roll time in Japan.

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Concerning the questions about radiation rising into the atmosphere.

Radiation itself is a form of light-wave, or of elementary particles which extend out similar to how light behaves. The radiation itself does not rise in the atmosphere any more than light extends out in all directions in a particular moment.

Radiation is produced at random moments by "radioactive particles". Radiation is produced mostly by material, in this case of Fukushima, and much of that pollution is in the form of fine particles down to the molecular level.

As a different example, radiation produced by a microwave oven is not produced by matter, so when the electromagnetic emitter is turned of, just like a lamp is turned off, that radiation ceases to exist.

The radiation measured by a dosimeter is measuring the "light", the radiation itself, but does not easily or simply describe the true risk to life, which is better described in the composition and distribution of the dust which is the source of the radiation, and where that material will tend to concentrate.

When those radioactive particles rise into the atmosphere in the form of fine dust, then the carriers of the future radiation to be produced by that material, that is what rises up into the atmosphere.

Radioactive exposure from material sources is very problematic, because it continues for very long periods of time.

The Fukushima situation is very Fucked.

This is why, if higher life forms wish to survive on this planet, then those open sores need to be capped with boron and concrete.


This is because it is easier to deal with the radiation itself in the form of "light", by building solid barriers, than to deal with the radioactive materials which continue to emit the radiation, once they are let loose into the environment.
 Quoting: ehecatl


Great post!

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To how the encapsulation could be achieved given the geology and high water table...

At Chernobyl, they tunneled under the reactor and flooded to bottom cool the core, then filled the tunnel with concrete. Dropping concrete from helicopters and pump spraying did the rest. The sarcophagus is already cracking and in need of repair.

Given the fractured geology and volcanic tubes inherent to Japan and the propensity for up to 1500 eqs annually, how effective would concrete be in the long run if a way to do it is found?

Is there a better way?

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Off-topic, but oddly appropriate.

Enjoy.

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2012 Predictions



by SWANS

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At one point in the song Tevye says: "You may ask, how did this tradition get started? I'll tell you. I don't know." Sure enough, we cannot tell you either in regard to Swans predictions, but they began the second year after the publication's inception in 1996.

Perhaps the abysmal socioeconomic conditions, the wars, the destruction of the social contract, the inequities, the injustice, the senselessness, all of which our contributors covered time and again, called for a respite, a breath of fresh air, a pause, a need to be serious enough not to take oneself seriously -- to laugh at it all.

As Lord Byron wrote in Don Juan, "Nothing can confound a wise man more than laughter from a dunce."

So the tradition goes on courtesy of a bevy of Swans. As always, take it or leave it.


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Concerning the questions about radiation rising into the atmosphere.

Radiation itself is a form of light-wave, or of elementary particles which extend out similar to how light behaves. The radiation itself does not rise in the atmosphere any more than light extends out in all directions in a particular moment.

Radiation is produced at random moments by "radioactive particles". Radiation is produced mostly by material, in this case of Fukushima, and much of that pollution is in the form of fine particles down to the molecular level.

As a different example, radiation produced by a microwave oven is not produced by matter, so when the electromagnetic emitter is turned of, just like a lamp is turned off, that radiation ceases to exist.

The radiation measured by a dosimeter is measuring the "light", the radiation itself, but does not easily or simply describe the true risk to life, which is better described in the composition and distribution of the dust which is the source of the radiation, and where that material will tend to concentrate.

When those radioactive particles rise into the atmosphere in the form of fine dust, then the carriers of the future radiation to be produced by that material, that is what rises up into the atmosphere.

Radioactive exposure from material sources is very problematic, because it continues for very long periods of time.

The Fukushima situation is very Fucked.

This is why, if higher life forms wish to survive on this planet, then those open sores need to be capped with boron and concrete.


This is because it is easier to deal with the radiation itself in the form of "light", by building solid barriers, than to deal with the radioactive materials which continue to emit the radiation, once they are let loose into the environment.
 Quoting: ehecatl


Great post!

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~

To how the encapsulation could be achieved given the geology and high water table...

At Chernobyl, they tunneled under the reactor and flooded to bottom cool the core, then filled the tunnel with concrete. Dropping concrete from helicopters and pump spraying did the rest. The sarcophagus is already cracking and in need of repair.

Given the fractured geology and volcanic tubes inherent to Japan and the propensity for up to 1500 eqs annually, how effective would concrete be in the long run if a way to do it is found?

Is there a better way?

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boron/ cement/ glass mix injection with a lead/aluminium casing, with a permanent injection system in place....
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Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.


The activity ratio of (238)Pu/(239,240)Pu in the aerosol sample was 1.2, indicating a presence of the spent fuel of different origin than that of the Chernobyl accident.

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I appreciate the responses, but I am asking for a very specific answer, please.

I need to know if radiation from each of the damaged reactors can climb straight up into the atmosphere?

Or does the radiation just settle near the ground until it's blown in one direction or another?

Here's why I think this is important.

On July 7th one of the NHK broadcasters let slip that the closest monitoring device installed to any of the reactor buildings was "approximately 1km away". It was not in the text of that press release. He said it. I have a copy of that.

Very recently we received information from NHK that the closest monitoring device was 500 meters away.

There have been no monitoring devices right on the reactor building structures themselves. There has never been any reference or mention of any gathering of daily emmissions radiation levels directly above the reactors.

So it's vital to know whether the reason no such radiation gathering instruments have been/had been placed in such locations was/is because it was/would be pointless. Because the radiation will not/would not travel straight up.

How can they tell how much radiation has been emitted if they do not have the data from measurements directly above the reactor buildings? Unless it's not important.

And that's what I need to know -- is this important? And why or why not? Radiation doesn't climb like a gas? It settles until blown along the ground to one of the monitoring devices 500 metters to one kilometer away?

Thank you.
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I CAN SOME IT UP 200 YEARS japanese islands will look like
a scene from like a monster movie three eye's three legs three arms ......BUT NO BRIANS AT ALL........good luck
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Very sad.

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Monday, January 2, 2012
Report from Fukushima (2) Minami Soma: A Woman Speaks Out on Her Health Problems in Post-Accident Fukushima

Teeth and toenails falling off and clumps of hair coming off, she reports in her blog. She doesn't seem to care any more if people dismiss her as fabricating the story, and just tells as a matter of fact what's been happening to her and her husband, probably both in their early 40s. They live in Minami Soma City in Fukushima Prefecture, within 25 kilometers from the wrecked plant. The district she and husband live have somehow escaped the designation of any "evacuation zone", even though she says the radiation is just as high or higher. She was a high school teacher until 2 years ago, and now she teaches children at her home.


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boron/ cement/ glass mix injection with a lead/aluminium casing, with a permanent injection system in place....
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Could start it like a pyramid with an open slot on top, to continue easy access of pumps and until risk of going super-critical has passed. That, and the worlds biggest unused parking lot which should be placed over the surrounding area...

Now we just need some political figure or group to step forward all hero-like to make it happen. Great P.R., regardless of effectiveness, but I am sure that some immediate action towards doing what is inevitable would be a good thing.

It is better that they capped Chernobyl, isn't it?
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100 Years in 10 Minutes (1911 - 2011 in 10 Minutes)



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boron/ cement/ glass mix injection with a lead/aluminium casing, with a permanent injection system in place....
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Could start it like a pyramid with an open slot on top, to continue easy access of pumps and until risk of going super-critical has passed. That, and the worlds biggest unused parking lot which should be placed over the surrounding area...

Now we just need some political figure or group to step forward all hero-like to make it happen. Great P.R., regardless of effectiveness, but I am sure that some immediate action towards doing what is inevitable would be a good thing.

It is better that they capped Chernobyl, isn't it?
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I have often wondered why more people have not been involved in finding a better answer to this problem. It would seem that a group of the smartest scientists and engineers could come up with something.
"Well-behaved women seldom make history." —Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

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boron/ cement/ glass mix injection with a lead/aluminium casing, with a permanent injection system in place....
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Could start it like a pyramid with an open slot on top, to continue easy access of pumps and until risk of going super-critical has passed. That, and the worlds biggest unused parking lot which should be placed over the surrounding area...

Now we just need some political figure or group to step forward all hero-like to make it happen. Great P.R., regardless of effectiveness, but I am sure that some immediate action towards doing what is inevitable would be a good thing.

It is better that they capped Chernobyl, isn't it?
 Quoting: ehecatl


I have often wondered why more people have not been involved in finding a better answer to this problem. It would seem that a group of the smartest scientists and engineers could come up with something.
 Quoting: Southern OR


not to mention the fact that they had thousands of people around the clock to fix chernobyl....

everytime i watch the fuku cam it makes my skin crawl to see so few people there...

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TEPCO, the operator of the troubled Fukushima nuclear power station, believes that after the earthquake, a supply of radioactively-contaminated water going from a spent nuclear fuel pool to the tank at the No. 4 reactor stopped when the water flowed oppositely into the reactor containment vessel. TEPCO said the incident did not affect the cooling of the spent nuclear fuel pool.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]

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I think this is bogus unless it was lost in translation.

we are talking about re-circulated coolant between the SFP and a tank, returned through filters and scrubbers.

According to tepco, they think the water stopped and changed directions, flowing into the reactor vessel.

Why was the water so 'radioactive' if it was returning from the tank through filters and scrubbers?

Why is the reactor vessel part of the loop if the reactor vessel is cool and down for maintenance with the fuel assemblies in the SFP??

What physically could cause the water in a pressurized loop system to flow backwards?(oppositely) earthquake or no earthquake.

Did they lose power?


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TEPCO, the operator of the troubled Fukushima nuclear power station, believes that after the earthquake, a supply of radioactively-contaminated water going from a spent nuclear fuel pool to the tank at the No. 4 reactor stopped when the water flowed oppositely into the reactor containment vessel. TEPCO said the incident did not affect the cooling of the spent nuclear fuel pool.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]

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I think this is bogus unless it was lost in translation.

we are talking about re-circulated coolant between the SFP and a tank, returned through filters and scrubbers.

According to tepco, they think the water stopped and changed directions, flowing into the reactor vessel.

Why was the water so 'radioactive' if it was returning from the tank through filters and scrubbers?

Why is the reactor vessel part of the loop if the reactor vessel is cool and down for maintenance with the fuel assemblies in the SFP??

What physically could cause the water in a pressurized loop system to flow backwards?(oppositely) earthquake or no earthquake.

Did they lose power?


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the next scary question is why didn't they instal simple 1-way flow valves?
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French nuclear watchdog urges safety measures
France's nuclear watchdog says the country's nuclear plants need billions of dollars to improve their safety in the event of natural disasters.

The Nuclear Safety Authority on Tuesday disclosed the results of its assessments for 58 nuclear plants in France.

Nearly 80 percent of France's energy resources come from nuclear power generation.
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Toshiba to launch mobile decontamination system
Japanese electronics maker Toshiba has developed a mobile system to decontaminate areas affected by the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The communities will begin full-scale decontamination work after the government's rules and procedures for the clean-up took effect January Ist.

Toshiba says the equipment can remove up to 97 percent of the radioactive substances from 1.7 tons of contaminated soil and sludge per day.

Toshiba and a Japanese machinery maker have also developed a machine to extract residual low-level radioactive materials from water in reservoirs and sewerage systems.
The 2 devices are based on technologies used to decontaminate the Fukushima plant.
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