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Unit 2 Temperature Rises Again, Now 75.4 UPDATE: 78.3 Degrees

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UPDATE: EX-SKF is reporting updated temp readings and Sunday press conference by TEPCO now admit 78.3 degrees.
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Strange days indeed...the live blog at scribble (house of foust group) was shut down. Here is the new location:

LIVE BLOG HAS MOVED!

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The live blog has moved temporarily to www.hipchat.com/gGzSKXslp it is open to all. We are still waiting on a response from Scribble on the sudden shutdown of the live blog. Meanwhile find us all at the link
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The shutdown of the liveblog site for House of Foust concerns me. So much good info and great people that are contributing.
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The shutdown of the liveblog site for House of Foust concerns me. So much good info and great people that are contributing.
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nice catch hun xo

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The shutdown of the liveblog site for House of Foust concerns me. So much good info and great people that are contributing.
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nice catch hun xo

ty
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For now, the historical data is still there. They are hoping to get it back up. This concerns me a lot, it's been running as long as our 1st Fuku thread. So much work has gone into it from so many people.
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New quake measuring system developed
Japan's Meteorological Agency is using a new system on a trial basis that identifies a massive earthquake in a short time based on long-period ground motion.

The agency's system uses long-period tremors to determine whether a quake has a magnitude of 8 or higher within 3 minutes.

The system monitors long-period ground motion lasting from 100 to 500 seconds, which is specific to massive quakes.
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The shutdown of the liveblog site for House of Foust concerns me. So much good info and great people that are contributing.
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nice catch hun xo

ty
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For now, the historical data is still there. They are hoping to get it back up. This concerns me a lot, it's been running as long as our 1st Fuku thread. So much work has gone into it from so many people.
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Thx, So. I have a feeling you are going to find out what the hell is going on...

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Temperature at Fukushima reactor up, but not critical: TEPCO
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TOKYO - Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) reported today an increased temperature reading of 82° C at the bottom of the No 2 reactor at its crippled Fukushima No 1 nuclear plant. But maintained the reactor has not gone critical, reported the Mainichi Daily News.
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Maybe they need to redirect the cold water so it will hit the thermometer more directly...

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Fukushima痴 North Pacific Radioactive Seawater Plume Approaches Alaska
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On the other hand, significant pollution of sea water along the coast near the nuclear plan might persist, because of the continuing arrival of radioactive material transported towards the sea by surface water running over contaminated soil. Further, some coastal areas might have less favorable dilution or sedimentation characteristics than those observed so far. Finally, the possible presence of other persistent radioactive substances, such as strontium-90 or plutonium, has not been sufficiently studied. Recent measurements show persistent contamination of some marine species (mostly fish) caught along the coast of Fukushima district. Organisms that filter water and fish at the top of the food chain are, over time, the most sensitive to caesium pollution. It is thus justified to maintain surveillance of marine life that is fished in the coastal waters off Fukushima.

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Worth noting that they won't let anyone within 30k of the coast to monitor...

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A Fukushima citizen watched lots of trucks go to Abukuma river at night. They came to the river to dump tones of the radioactive mud made from decontamination. He was terrified to think he has to drink the water from the river, decided to evacuate Fukushima.
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Temperature at no. 2 reactor rises to 80 degrees
Tokyo Electric Power Company says the reading of one of the thermometers in the number 2 reactor at its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant surpassed 80 degrees Celsius shortly after 2 PM on Sunday.
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Nuclear accident scenario kept under wraps
A document submitted to the government 2 weeks after the Fukushima nuclear accident suggested that the Tokyo metropolitan area might have to be evacuated. But the government failed to acknowledge the existence of the document until the end of last year.

The Atomic Energy Commission report was compiled at the request of Naoto Kan, who was Prime Minister at the time.

The commission's chief, Shunsuke Kondo, said the document explains possible contingencies following the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident as well as preventive measures.

The report said massive amounts of radioactive materials could be dispersed from the plant if containment vessels were damaged or used fuel was exposed to the air if water injection failed.
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Temperature at no. 2 reactor rises to 80 degrees
Tokyo Electric Power Company says the reading of one of the thermometers in the number 2 reactor at its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant surpassed 80 degrees Celsius shortly after 2 PM on Sunday.
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Unit 2 Update: 82 Degrees, Ever Increasing Water, What Might Be Going On

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TEPCO is hinting that the temperature gauge may be broken but readings do not mimic a broken gauge. Worker tweets state they do not think it is a broken gauge.
Our previous posts mentioned the possibility of laterally moving fuel and that there could be fuel on either side of the internal shroud, making cooling difficult.
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Fukushima reactor heats up again
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The operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant has begun injecting more water into one of the reactors, after the core temperature rose above Japan's safety limit...


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Thermometer readings at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant rose further Monday to exceed 90 C for the first time since it attained a cold shutdown in December, reaching a new high of 93.7 C as of 11 a.m., Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

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Ive been watching this closely enough to see that a week ago the temp had increased around 20 degrees in a week, so I was thinking we have less then that to reach boiling point again.

All of a sudden the temp has jumped from 78 to 91 in less then a day.

Im thinking things are about to rapidly digress.

Ive said it all along that the worst of all this has yet to come.

Good ol arnie was trying to say nicely yonks ago that the most radioactive shit was released back in the first week and that the "covers" they were building would "help" to contain further releases. I couldnt help but think, that that was "wishful thinking" at the time.

Ive known in my heart that things would get worse.

I watched a really good vid the other day showing, for the first time for me, the clearest view yet of a "steam event" at fukushima. Total "fogout" of the entire site!!

I recall seeing this and thinking, Fuck!!, all that radiation being released, is this what happens during the day too?? has this been happening all along?

If so we are all in BIG trouble. The temp going up says to me this, I have read that the "corium" the melted fuel, in a bunch togeather, constantly emitts radiation, (ok got that) and that for the FIRST 250 000 years this amount of radiation INCREASES!!!!!

Now I have also read that while "we know" what happens with melted fuel, at least since chernobyl, what we DONT know is how the corium behaves when we are talking a massive amount, ie; the entire inventory of a reactor!!

Its when we put it all togeather, what we DO know, that the whole ball game keeps on getting bigger!!

We know that water is "ok" to use as a coolant, but we also know that "steam" is not good.

So we are rweaching the point where the "water" we are putting on, is turning to steam, and in turn, the temp is rising? What does this mean?, the bigger picture that is?

What happens now? Im thinking further meltdown, reheating, recriticality, and all these things.

All I can see happening now, is the "steam geyser" snenario put forward yonks ago. I see this as the next thing.

If this temp keeps on going up? What the hell happens? I know that corium "produces" and releases "dust" I know we are talking a fuck load of corium that is beyond our current experience.

Its like one of those old movies where worried people are waiting outside the surgery for news and a surgeon comes out, taking of his mask, and says "we have done all we can do, all we can do now is wait, and pray"

This seems to me about all we CAN do. Wait, knowing that every second that goes by is another second packed full of nuclear releases, all the while tepco comes out with ridiculous statements that make no sense.

Waterbug, is there any way we can build some kind of a "picture" some kind of "technological map", a roadmap of sorts, that tells us what "SHOULD" happen, given the circumstances???? If you know what I mean. Im trying to say, what happens if this temp goes over say 100, and stays there? What happens then? Will they still be able to keep "putting" on water etc? Is it possible for further explosions? This is what I mean, what is the next step? do we know? do they know? what "would" be the plan if say this was in america at this point in time? Just what the hell do they do next?

Because the way Im looking at it, the next step will be the EXTRACTION of "staff" "temporarily".

You know, like it was at the start, just wandering around scatching their heads. Remember at the start when the "heat" was too much and they were worried about steam explosions etc, then arnie came out and said months later "its been too long, and the decay heat is much much less" which calmed me down for a bit. But now we are back up to where we were last fucking year? We are really right back to where we were as if we hadnt even started putting water or anything else on?

For the next 26,000,000 fucking years?

And what the fuck is going on with number two??? And yep, I mean number 2 DAIINI the "other" nuclear facility that is currently under "state of cold shutdown" ?????

We fucking KNOW that the shit hit the fan there, but we arent being told a damn thing. Not even Arnie has raised this issue. Which I think he should, it might help to get more info out.

I guess this slow news is pissing me off. Tiny little "tweets" that tell us something but nothing at the same time. Tepco "releases" some "news" and almost immiediatly a tepco (sub-sub-sub-contracted) worker tells us somthing almost complete opposite?

I guess im ranting today, Im sick of it allready, I wish it would hurry itself up and blow or something.

Im trying to think of what happens if it just keeps on heating up? will it just sit there simmering between recriticality or what the heck?

What the fuck happens now?


PS (sorry for my swearing its monday, and on mondays I have no excuses)
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^^^ this ^^^ corium soup anyone?
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Hamish MacDonald - reporter for The Project news show on channel 10 australia, only reporter to go into the exclusion zone with some displaced people getting their things... report was just on, and i'm waiting for them to upload the video....
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And what the fuck is going on with number two??? And yep, I mean number 2 DAIINI the "other" nuclear facility that is currently under "state of cold shutdown" ?????

We fucking KNOW that the shit hit the fan there, but we arent being told a damn thing. Not even Arnie has raised this issue. Which I think he should, it might help to get more info out.

I guess im ranting today, Im sick of it allready, I wish it would hurry itself up and blow or something.

Im trying to think of what happens if it just keeps on heating up? will it just sit there simmering between recriticality or what the heck?

What the fuck happens now?

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Friend, I feel exactly the same way. I wish I knew.

I will say that I don't think for a minute that we are being given the whole truth, by anyone, including AG. Almost one year on and we're only just being told that fuku 2 was also close to meltdown and it may not even be the whole truth about that(Daiini).

There is so much disinfo out there it is hard to get to any semblance of truth.
Just gotta keep scratching at it like a scab and hope to get some blood flowing eventually.

Fuckkity- fuk and hell-fire.

I keep going back to the fact that corium exists and the state of it is unknown. The Japs are pissing on a forest fire. Water doesn't do a thing to corium. You don't cool it, you cool the surrounding environment. If it isn't a malfunctioning thermometer as they say, it is possible that the recent changes in the way they are cooling has caused a change in the state of the corium itself, possibly creating a crack in the shell encasing it causing more heat to escape. Or causing it to migrate and evolve.

Guess I'll take a little trip to the tech forums to see if I can glean anything from the eggheads...

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Fukushima reactor heats up again
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Operator TEPCO insists there has been no nuclear reaction and that the reactor can be controlled.

Responding to the increase, the operator began injecting 15 tonnes of water an hour into the reactor in a bid to get the temperature down.

TEPCO says it has not detected any xenon gas, which is created when a nuclear reaction has been triggered.

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Fukushima No. 2 reactor nears 94 C, thermometer likely faulty: TEPCO
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While concerns are mounting that the reactor may be reheating, TEPCO said it was likely the thermometer was malfunctioning. The device in question had fluctuated between 75 C and 90 C within a short time, while readings from two other thermometers also at the bottom of the reactor vessel have remained around 35 C.

Earlier in the morning, nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono said at a parliament budget committee, "The device's movements are perplexing. At this stage, however, it is not necessary to change the judgment that (the reactor is) in a state of cold shutdown."

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Japan: Is the Fukushima No. 2 reactor reheating?
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In September 2002, TEPCO admitted that it may have failed to accurately report cracks at its nuclear reactors in the late 1980s and 1990s and the then-president and vice-president subsequently quit.

The BBC also reported that TEPCO conceded that information had been falsified on over 200 occasions between 1977 and 2002.

But the major concern is that the Japanese government has been turning a blind eye to these goings on. University of Southern California Engineering Professor, Najmedin Meshkati, told PBS: 的n one case, they [the government] gave the whistleblower痴 name to the utility company. That tells you about culture of regulatory oversight.

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Japan: Is the Fukushima No. 2 reactor reheating?
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In September 2002, TEPCO admitted that it may have failed to accurately report cracks at its nuclear reactors in the late 1980s and 1990s and the then-president and vice-president subsequently quit.

The BBC also reported that TEPCO conceded that information had been falsified on over 200 occasions between 1977 and 2002.

But the major concern is that the Japanese government has been turning a blind eye to these goings on. University of Southern California Engineering Professor, Najmedin Meshkati, told PBS: 的n one case, they [the government] gave the whistleblower痴 name to the utility company. That tells you about culture of regulatory oversight.

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wonder if mr whistle is still with us, or did he have a freak car accident......
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Japan痴 government has threatened to withhold a Y1,000bn ($12.9bn) financial rescue of Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco), owner of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station, unless the struggling utility allows itself to be nationalised.

In the clearest indication of the government痴 intentions to date, Yukio Edano, the minister responsible for energy policy, told Tepco痴 president that the company would have to cede ownership to the state in return for enough new capital to ward off insolvency.


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Government approves additional funds for TEPCO
Japan's industry minister has warned Tokyo Electric Power Company, operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, that it must accept state control in order to get a capital injection.

Yukio Edano told TEPCO President Toshio Nishizawa on Monday that the company will not receive public money unless the government gets adequate voting rights in return.
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TEPCO:broken thermometer may show high temperature
Tokyo Electric Power Company says a malfunctioning thermometer at the disabled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is likely to blame for the high temperature reading in one of the reactors.
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Regulators OK Ohi reactor stress test results

Japan's nuclear safety agency has approved the results of stress tests on 2 reactors at a nuclear power plant in central Japan.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency made the evaluation in its report on the No.3 and No.4 reactors at the Ohi nuclear plant in Ohi Town, Fukui Prefecture after a panel of experts met on Wednesday.

The report says the tests on the reactors were conducted appropriately and measures for earthquakes and tsunami are in place at the plant.
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Safety agency: Restarting Ohi reactors is proper
Japan's nuclear safety agency has submitted a report on the results of stress tests on two nuclear power plant reactors, saying restarting them is appropriate.
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Hokkaido nuke plant holds accident drill
A disaster preparedness drill has been held at the Tomari nuclear power plant in Japan's northernmost prefecture of Hokkaido.

The drill, held by Hokkaido's prefectural government on Monday, assumed a major nuclear accident with a possible leak of radioactive substances. About 1,000 officials from Hokkaido and 4 towns and villages around the nuclear plant took part.
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