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citizenperth
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LOVE the NRC's wording on the report " The NRC has no IMMEDIATE concerns..... "

Maybe once the Dam(s) BREAK, THEN there will be 'Concerns', hand wringing AND, finger pointing, in ALL directions but toward themselves.

Almost have to like the unbelievable way their greed, stupidity and outright callousness defies ANY logical reasoning or caring for OTHER PEOPLES lives !

Time for a blood pressure test ....

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LOVE the NRC's wording on the report " The NRC has no IMMEDIATE concerns..... "

Maybe once the Dam(s) BREAK, THEN there will be 'Concerns', hand wringing AND, finger pointing, in ALL directions but toward themselves.

Almost have to like the unbelievable way their greed, stupidity and outright callousness defies ANY logical reasoning or caring for OTHER PEOPLES lives !

Time for a blood pressure test ....

Eagle
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E. You nailed it.

Not much different than the Japanese ignoring the tsunami warnings. Studies were made, reports were submitted.
Nothing was done.


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Is this site blocked for the people of Japan? I never see their flag?

Thanks for the many updates OP and peeps!
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MORE bump for the TRUTH !
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Panel issues report on Fukushima nuclear accident
An independent panel investigating the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has issued a report based on interviews with about 300 people, including Japanese and US government officials and nuclear experts.

It has pointed out that the government and the plant's operator were ill-prepared to deal with a crisis.

The 6-member panel of experts from the private sector has been studying how the Japanese government and Tokyo Electric Power Company responded to the nuclear accident in March last year. The power company's officials refused to be interviewed.

The report released on Tuesday criticizes the government's response as off-the-cuff and too late.
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Nuclear accident "off-site" center under review
A Japanese government panel is proposing the setting up of 2 separate centers to help local communities respond to any future nuclear power plant accident.

What is known as the off-site emergency response center failed to function properly when the Fukushima nuclear disaster occurred on March 11th last year.

A rise in levels of radiation and the impact of the tsunami and earthquake prevented officials from local municipalities gathering at the off-site center, about 5 kilometers away from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
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I follow you bug. and Perth. and all the others. and appreciate greatly the work you do in this thread.

I've been banned a number of times the moment I try to post on this thread, who knows why, but I posted over on Fukushima Diary blog what I could not post here. That is why I have not posted here in a while.

Great work!
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I follow you bug. and Perth. and all the others. and appreciate greatly the work you do in this thread.

I've been banned a number of times the moment I try to post on this thread, who knows why, but I posted over on Fukushima Diary blog what I could not post here. That is why I have not posted here in a while.

Great work!
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Thanks E for your posts. I always appreciate your intelligent offerings. Don't know why you would have been banned. It wasn't me. Haven't banned anybody. I have not been able to log in as waterbug for a long while. Changed my password and hasn't been working. I tried to get a mod's attention a couple times but they must have missed the posts. I just sign with a b or bug.

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Is this site blocked for the people of Japan? I never see their flag?

Thanks for the many updates OP and peeps!
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Not blocked as far as I know. It's possible, tho. I have not been kind in my comments regarding Tepco.
No regular posters from Japan. I don't know why, either. They are welcome to. I have tried to be an advocate for the people of Japan, in general. There were quite a few on the 1st fuku thread.
I'm pretty sure they have better things to do. Atom-boy posts occasionally, although we've had some disagreements.

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Experts from abroad offer advice on Fukushima accident
[link to www.shimbun.denki.or.jp]

[snip]

Regarding the fuel storage pools, he said that "they may be more vulnerable in the U.S." as the fuel density in the pools in the U.S. is higher than that in Japan.

Chai said, "It might have been possible to manually open and close" the valves if assessment of the conditions of the emergency condenser had been possible at an early stage. With the manual operation, "it would have been possible to reduce the reactor pressure and avoid nuclear meltdown," he said.


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Panel report: US nuclear safety guidelines ignored
An independent panel investigating the Fukushima nuclear accident says the Japanese government ignored the advice of the US authorities and failed to refer to US nuclear safety guidelines.

Independent investigators interviewed about 300 people, including Japanese and US government officials.
They released their report on Tuesday.
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Panel blasts Kan's response to disaster
An independent panel investigating last March's nuclear accident at the Fukushima Daiichi plant has criticized former Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan over his response to the disaster.

Panel head Koichi Kitazawa told reporters at the Japan National Press Club on Tuesday that Kan interfered excessively in workers' efforts to bring the plant under control. Kitazawa said such interference included having a say in the size of batteries to be used.

Kitazawa added that Kan failed to disclose information appropriately, leading to widespread public mistrust of the government.
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US and N Korea reach agreement on denuclearization
The United States and North Korea have announced that the North has agreed to take steps toward denuclearization.

The 2 countries say a new round of talks will be held shortly to discuss 240,000 tons of US food aid to North Korea.
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Cesium in milk found under limit
Major Japanese milk producers say their products have passed the government's safety standards for radioactive cesium.

The government decided to strengthen milk safety standards from April amid consumer concerns about the nuclear accident at the Fukushima power plant.

Under the new standards, milk will be allowed to contain only 50 becquerels of cesium per kilogram, or one quarter the current permissible level.
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Futaba town residents file TEPCO damages claim
A group of evacuees from the Fukushima nuclear disaster have filed a compensation claim amounting to more than 5 million dollars with Tokyo Electric Power Company.

Futaba Town Mayor Katsutaka Idogawa and evacuees, representing 47 people from 22 households, visited the government's arbitration body in Tokyo on Wednesday.
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Reassessment asked for Hokkaido nuclear plant
The Japanese government will ask Hokkaido Electric Power Company to once more re-assess the safety of a nuclear plant it operates. The re-assessment should include an examination of the possible impact of an earthquake caused by the interrelated movements of underground fault lines.

The Nuclear Industrial and Safety Agency said on Wednesday that the company's safety analysis on the Tomari nuclear power plant was insufficient because it only assessed a group of fault lines lying under the sea 40 kilometers off the plant.
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US and N Korea reach agreement on denuclearization
The United States and North Korea have announced that the North has agreed to take steps toward denuclearization.

The 2 countries say a new round of talks will be held shortly to discuss 240,000 tons of US food aid to North Korea.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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There is some good news...

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Quote of the day...

When the safety and political conditions are met and some reactors are restarted ... we still have another high hurdle to clear. That is storage space for spent fuel is running out.
[link to www.japantoday.com]

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Mayor of nuclear reactor city used taxpayers' money on gifts for nuclear disaster minister
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Robot detects high radiation levels at Fukushima Daiichi plant
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TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A remotely operated robot has detected high radiation levels of up to 220 millisieverts per hour at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant's No. 2 reactor building, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday.

The Japanese-made Quince 2 robot, which began checking radiation levels on Monday, was exposed to 153 millisieverts of radiation in just less than three hours of operation, according to the utility.

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Plant chief: Fukushima nuke plant still vulnerable
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Japan’s tsunami-hit Fukushima power plant remains fragile nearly a year after it suffered multiple meltdowns, its chief said Tuesday, with makeshift equipment — some mended with tape — keeping crucial systems running.


~ duct tape and haywire, not words you want to hear associated with nuclear

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“I have to admit that it’s still rather fragile,” said plant chief Takeshi Takahashi, who took the job in December after his predecessor resigned due to health reasons. “Even though the plant has achieved what we call ‘cold shutdown conditions,’ it still causes problems that must be improved.”


~ that BS again
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But the equipment that serves as the lifeline of the cooling system is shockingly feeble-looking. Plastic hoses cracked by freezing temperatures have been mended with tape. A set of three pumps sits on the back of a pickup truck.


~ is that really the best they can do?


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Plant chief: Fukushima nuke plant still vulnerable
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Japan’s tsunami-hit Fukushima power plant remains fragile nearly a year after it suffered multiple meltdowns, its chief said Tuesday, with makeshift equipment — some mended with tape — keeping crucial systems running.


~ duct tape and haywire, not words you want to hear associated with nuclear

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“I have to admit that it’s still rather fragile,” said plant chief Takeshi Takahashi, who took the job in December after his predecessor resigned due to health reasons. “Even though the plant has achieved what we call ‘cold shutdown conditions,’ it still causes problems that must be improved.”


~ that BS again
~

But the equipment that serves as the lifeline of the cooling system is shockingly feeble-looking. Plastic hoses cracked by freezing temperatures have been mended with tape. A set of three pumps sits on the back of a pickup truck.


~ is that really the best they can do?


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oh




my




god
It's life as we know it, but only just.
My Fukushima Site:
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sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie

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citizenperth
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Fuel pool?... what fuel pool....

[link to fukushima-diary.com]
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“If I had an hour to solve a problem and my life depended on it, I would use the first 55 minutes determining the proper question to ask, for once I knew the proper question, I could solve the problem in less than five minutes.”
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citizenperth
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Earthquake : Magnitude 5 at-tokai-mura
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It's life as we know it, but only just.
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sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie

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“If I had an hour to solve a problem and my life depended on it, I would use the first 55 minutes determining the proper question to ask, for once I knew the proper question, I could solve the problem in less than five minutes.”
- Albert Einstein
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Some scientific papers posted on this site, can only view the abstracts (they charge for the full article)

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A Account is free,
some Articles have a Price but many comes for Free,
i recommend anyone who have a Interest in REALITY
to create a Account, this will serve you better
than to do the same with Br-enenews!

Bugmenot also works sometimes!

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And aissmung that the containment did not work. What would be the worse case scenario ? (Plutonium, Uranium and Cesium do not travel very far and tend to remain localized to where the accident occurred).Here are some bits from experts on the topic:Elmer Lewis: The main concern would be with isolating the soil so that no one was living on it or using farm products from it. Maybe you would remove some of it to an appropriate waste disposal site. Plutonium, uranium and other heavy elements migrate very slowly through soil (i.e. they would stay put).Elmer Lewis: It could be considered the initial stage of a China Syndrome. Conceivably the core structure could collapse, the uranium falls onto the bottom of the pressure vessel and onto the concrete below. Again conceivably it could go into the soil below, but it would not penetrate more deeply than several yards. The main danger would still be the radioactivity released to the atmosphere, not what goes into the ground. It might contaminate drinking water for a small area around the plant.Jim Smith: Radioactive Cs-137 is held in soil for decades (the amount halves every 30 years). It doesn't spread too far tiny amounts are spread by the wind and water. As the reactors are now (hopefully) much more stable, the problem for the land system is the radioactivity that is already out there in the soil.Again, we should stop worrying. Even if the improbable were to happen, moving 5 KM away from the nuclear plant, as per IAEA directives, is sufficiently safe. Reply</a>
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@ Brasiliero

F'Shima is so new that we no even have Theories,
only Estimations!

I am very neutral since a few Month and decided to wait
for a "real Confirmation" of the SFP. Nr.3
and even when it is still there and in a way unharmed
i would never move closer to this Plant than 0.55uSv/h
and Young People or Children should not be above 0.25uSv/h

This Elmer Lewies is not a "unknown"
but maybe he spend to much time in his Books
because all he do is serving a Generalisation!

Have a Read here:
[link to www.latimes.com]
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Reporter ”Now we are zooming the 5th floor of reactor 3, where the fuel storage pool is. We must be able to see the top of the fuel storage pool at the very place. There “must” be the fuel storage pool in the center of the screen.However, we can not see even a part of the pool from the sky.



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Reporter ”Now we are zooming the 5th floor of reactor 3, where the fuel storage pool is. We must be able to see the top of the fuel storage pool at the very place. There “must” be the fuel storage pool in the center of the screen.However, we can not see even a part of the pool from the sky.




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yup.. we knew it all along.... and a "hydrogen explosion" in 4, with no reactor loaded inside.......

uhuh......

i have a feeling that things are so bad that they are now letting those fools brave enough to fly in and slowly break the obvious.....

at the same time they release a press statement saying they can't get near number two because it is too radioactive, and slyly release the fact so that they can now talk about the reason why no one is seen working there... on top of that we have the automated cranes working away merrily when the jss cam clearly shows steam and smoke venting between one and two.... oh joy.... merrily fucked up....
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