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Pulled from this thread:
Thread: Fukushima...Impact on the Oceans..Arnie Gundersen 1/4 video
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Russian nuclear submarine catches fire
A Russian nuclear submarine caught fire at a shipyard in northwestern Russia on Thursday. Officials say no radiation leaked and no one was injured.

The fire occurred while the Yekaterinburg submarine was docked in the Murmansk region facing the Arctic Ocean. The fire first developed near the wooden scaffolding, and then engulfed part of the submarine's outer hull. It was not put out for more than 7 hours.

Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry says the vessel was not armed and its reactor had been shut down.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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people that debunk this catastrophy are foolish....

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Foolish, yes.

I think it is fear... and denial, an instinctive reaction to this fear.

Children.
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TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The government decided on Monday its basic policy of reclassifying evacuation zones around the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into three categories this spring now that the plant has been brought to a stable state of cold shutdown.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]



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lol. Yeah

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-really screwed

and

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TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The government decided on Monday its basic policy of reclassifying evacuation zones around the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into three categories this spring now that the plant has been brought to a stable state of cold shutdown.

[link to mdn.mainichi.jp]



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lol. Yeah

-screwed

-really screwed

and

-extremely screwed.

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deadly

more deady?

deadliest?

fingerman
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

The body is independent from the government. It held its first meeting earlier this month and decided to set up 4 working teams.

Chair Kiyoshi Kurokawa says the experts will examine the interim report on the investigation by the government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of Fukushima Daiichi. Kurokawa adds the panel will focus on problems the government and TEPCO were unable to address.
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

The body is independent from the government. It held its first meeting earlier this month and decided to set up 4 working teams.

Chair Kiyoshi Kurokawa says the experts will examine the interim report on the investigation by the government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of Fukushima Daiichi. Kurokawa adds the panel will focus on problems the government and TEPCO were unable to address.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

The body is independent from the government. It held its first meeting earlier this month and decided to set up 4 working teams.

Chair Kiyoshi Kurokawa says the experts will examine the interim report on the investigation by the government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of Fukushima Daiichi. Kurokawa adds the panel will focus on problems the government and TEPCO were unable to address.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
 Quoting: Southern OR


freaking disgusting...... the world blewup as the human race went to sleep at walmart watching foxtel texting twitter....
It's life as we know it, but only just.
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

The body is independent from the government. It held its first meeting earlier this month and decided to set up 4 working teams.

Chair Kiyoshi Kurokawa says the experts will examine the interim report on the investigation by the government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of Fukushima Daiichi. Kurokawa adds the panel will focus on problems the government and TEPCO were unable to address.
[link to www3.nhk.or.jp]
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478654


So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
 Quoting: Southern OR


freaking disgusting...... the world blewup as the human race went to sleep at walmart watching foxtel texting twitter....
 Quoting: citizenperth


When I bought my geiger counter many of my friends said, holy shit she has lost her mind! I say better to have one and not need it than need one and not have it. I still think bioaccumulation will be the big kicker. I am so glad for the mountains that surround my little valley here, they seem to block the radiation as well as storms.
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

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So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
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I can save them some time.

Mother nature, lack of foresight and ineptitude.

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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478654


So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
 Quoting: Southern OR




I can save them some time.

Mother nature, lack of foresight and ineptitude.

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Yes, Yes, and Yes. Bath salts, newspaper, diapers, etc. The only hair brained idea that actually had some merit was Operation Super Glue.
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New Fukushima Daiichi investigation to start
A panel of experts investigating the cause of the accident at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will begin full-fledged work in January.

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So they will investigate what happened 9 months ago and make a report in 6 months? The waiting game continues.
 Quoting: Southern OR




I can save them some time.

Mother nature, lack of foresight and ineptitude.

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Yes, Yes, and Yes. Bath salts, newspaper, diapers, etc. The only hair brained idea that actually had some merit was Operation Super Glue.
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Yeah. That spray truck is pretty awesome.
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'bout time they did some gardening.....
It's life as we know it, but only just.
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'bout time they did some gardening.....
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Gardening. Yeah. Occurred to me the other day.

Speaking of 420. With west coast getting hosed and the cash crops probably harvested or being harvested.

I'd be careful what I put in my lungs...

Just saying for those who indulge.

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Somebody should do a thread about that. Warn people.
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'bout time they did some gardening.....
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Gardening. Yeah. Occurred to me the other day.

Speaking of 420. With west coast getting hosed and the cash crops probably harvested or being harvested.

I'd be careful what I put in my lungs...

Just saying for those who indulge.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


I live in a pot friendly state, lots of medical marijuana farms here locally. Not for me, but to each their own. Does make me wonder about the outdoor crops though. Don't think I'd want to be putting the "extra" shit in my body.
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'bout time they did some gardening.....
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Gardening. Yeah. Occurred to me the other day.

Speaking of 420. With west coast getting hosed and the cash crops probably harvested or being harvested.

I'd be careful what I put in my lungs...

Just saying for those who indulge.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


I live in a pot friendly state, lots of medical marijuana farms here locally. Not for me, but to each their own. Does make me wonder about the outdoor crops though. Don't think I'd want to be putting the "extra" shit in my body.
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good call, i have smoked (tobacco) for the last 20 years (thankyou malborough man and marketing), and only learned this year from fuku info how much the plant sucks up rads as a voracious grower... that was the whole point behind the theory of sunflowers for fuku movement

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'bout time they did some gardening.....
 Quoting: citizenperth


Gardening. Yeah. Occurred to me the other day.

Speaking of 420. With west coast getting hosed and the cash crops probably harvested or being harvested.

I'd be careful what I put in my lungs...

Just saying for those who indulge.

~
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


I live in a pot friendly state, lots of medical marijuana farms here locally. Not for me, but to each their own. Does make me wonder about the outdoor crops though. Don't think I'd want to be putting the "extra" shit in my body.
 Quoting: Southern OR


good call, i have smoked for the last 20 years (thankyou malborough man and marketing), and only learned this year from fuku info how much the plant sucks up rads as a voracious grower... that was the whole point behind the theory of sunflowers for fuku movement
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I hadn't thought about the pot crops much. Some of them are huge! They have 8 foot fences and you can still see the plants above the fence line. Probably from the cesium. I wonder if anyone has looked into that?
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Gardening. Yeah. Occurred to me the other day.

Speaking of 420. With west coast getting hosed and the cash crops probably harvested or being harvested.

I'd be careful what I put in my lungs...

Just saying for those who indulge.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


I live in a pot friendly state, lots of medical marijuana farms here locally. Not for me, but to each their own. Does make me wonder about the outdoor crops though. Don't think I'd want to be putting the "extra" shit in my body.
 Quoting: Southern OR


good call, i have smoked for the last 20 years (thankyou malborough man and marketing), and only learned this year from fuku info how much the plant sucks up rads as a voracious grower... that was the whole point behind the theory of sunflowers for fuku movement
 Quoting: citizenperth


I hadn't thought about the pot crops much. Some of them are huge! They have 8 foot fences and you can still see the plants above the fence line. Probably from the cesium. I wonder if anyone has looked into that?
 Quoting: Southern OR


Can't be good.
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BRUNSWICK COUNTY, NC (WECT) - The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission says fuel oil tank rooms that serve the Brunswick Nuclear Plant's emergency diesel generators were not properly protected from possible flooding.

On the safety significance scale, this is a "white" finding, which is one step up from the lowest safety level of green.

[link to www.wect.com]

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Or dumb. One step up from brain dead..
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Firstly, hello, I'm new. And Happy New Year.

But I'm here because I came across a thread here some months ago and it seemed there were a few posting that might know their business when it comes to monitoring radiation. Yes, I'm referring to Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, of course. I live in Japan. Have for over 20 years.

A quick background on why I have questions.

Since soon after the earthquake struck I have been archiving every press release from NHK World as it seemed the JAIF here in Japan was using them and as they are a resource the governemnt was using to get information out and other reasons it seemed the right decision. Had to start someplace and that was the decision.

Of course, there is a heck of a lot of information from all sorts of folks, but using NHK for information releases can't be all bad.

I have archived every day since March 11th except a few days I missed at the end of September because I screwed up and from November 16th through December 12th and that can't be gotten, according to correspondence I've had with them. They changed their computer filing system and I missed my chance because I got behind.

Still I have hundreds of documents adding up to thousands of pages and I have audio recordings in the hundreds of relevant clips from the video clips. I did that because nobody on our small Team could do the ASK file conversion to a media storage system and all I needed was the audio, anyway.

So what I am trying to make very clear is that if no university or other research organization has done this much archiving, I have.

Now the thread from some months ago that caught my attention here seemed to have some former Navy folks posting that had done some work around power plants that had used nuclear fuel. Those folks seem to me to be possibly able to set me right on issues I may find as I now start putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.

And here's the first piece/question.

How close does a radiation monitoring device need to be to one of the stricken reactors at Fukushima Daiichi to be able to accurately let us know how much radiation is being emitted into the atmosphere? Another way to ask that is does radiation go straight up into the atmosphere?

Thank you.
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Happy New year MIH. I hope it will be much better this year for the people of japan, except for Tepco and its minions, of course. I hope they will suffer as they have caused many to suffer needlessly.

This article from aug. shows the difficulties of measurement.


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Recent readings taken at the plant are alarming.
When on August 2nd readings of 10,000 millisieverts (10 sieverts) of radioactivity per hour were detected at the plant, Japan's science ministry said that level of dose is fatal to humans, and is enough radiation to kill a person within one to two weeks after the exposure.

10,000 millisieverts (mSv) is the equivalent of approximately 100,000 chest x-rays.

It is an amount 250 per cent higher than levels recorded at the plant in March after it was heavily damaged by the earthquake and ensuing tsunami.

The operator of Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), that took the reading, used equipment to measure radiation from a distance, and was unable to ascertain the exact level because the device's maximum reading is only 10,000 mSv. TEPCO also detected 1,000 millisieverts (mSv) per hour in debris outside the plant, as well as finding 4,000 mSv per hour inside one of the reactor buildings.

[link to www.aljazeera.com]

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MIH.

I would also recommend this site for general information on what is really going on at Fuku.

Arnie Gundersen has proved to be a great source of expert analysis.

Good luck.

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I appreciate the responses, but I am asking for a very specific answer, please.

I need to know if radiation from each of the damaged reactors can climb straight up into the atmosphere?

Or does the radiation just settle near the ground until it's blown in one direction or another?

Here's why I think this is important.

On July 7th one of the NHK broadcasters let slip that the closest monitoring device installed to any of the reactor buildings was "approximately 1km away". It was not in the text of that press release. He said it. I have a copy of that.

Very recently we received information from NHK that the closest monitoring device was 500 meters away.

There have been no monitoring devices right on the reactor building structures themselves. There has never been any reference or mention of any gathering of daily emmissions radiation levels directly above the reactors.

So it's vital to know whether the reason no such radiation gathering instruments have been/had been placed in such locations was/is because it was/would be pointless. Because the radiation will not/would not travel straight up.

How can they tell how much radiation has been emitted if they do not have the data from measurements directly above the reactor buildings? Unless it's not important.

And that's what I need to know -- is this important? And why or why not? Radiation doesn't climb like a gas? It settles until blown along the ground to one of the monitoring devices 500 metters to one kilometer away?

Thank you.
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I appreciate the responses, but I am asking for a very specific answer, please.

I need to know if radiation from each of the damaged reactors can climb straight up into the atmosphere?

Or does the radiation just settle near the ground until it's blown in one direction or another?

Here's why I think this is important.

On July 7th one of the NHK broadcasters let slip that the closest monitoring device installed to any of the reactor buildings was "approximately 1km away". It was not in the text of that press release. He said it. I have a copy of that.

Very recently we received information from NHK that the closest monitoring device was 500 meters away.

There have been no monitoring devices right on the reactor building structures themselves. There has never been any reference or mention of any gathering of daily emmissions radiation levels directly above the reactors.

So it's vital to know whether the reason no such radiation gathering instruments have been/had been placed in such locations was/is because it was/would be pointless. Because the radiation will not/would not travel straight up.

How can they tell how much radiation has been emitted if they do not have the data from measurements directly above the reactor buildings? Unless it's not important.

And that's what I need to know -- is this important? And why or why not? Radiation doesn't climb like a gas? It settles until blown along the ground to one of the monitoring devices 500 metters to one kilometer away?

Thank you.
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Heat is the answer. Heat and steam. Radiation rises in conjunction. The coria have temps. of 2000F and up.

In my opinion, the monitoring is being done from airplanes but the information is not being released. What is released is heavily biased in favor of Tepco.

The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

Infra-red can reveal the heat signature and temps. which would give a reasonable idea of what is happening with the reactor cores and fuel ponds.

The problem for independent monitoring is the no go/no fly zone. Can't get anywhere near the reactors... for a long, long time.

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To put that in a simple way, the radioactive particles themselves have to hitch a ride on another particle of some kind, like air or water and that has to be moved by the usual methods. Heat causes air, and water in the form of steam, to rise. Wind causes air to move along in a linear manner.

Does that make sense?

We know that steam has been escaping regularly from at least one of the reactor buildings, and I think it was number 2 from which we could see the steam constantly going out that little square of missing wall. So we can assume that we have concrete evidence that at least reactor number 2 has been spitting radioactivity into the air for a very long time.

What I'm getting at is the average eye can actually see that steam escaping. We don't need any guessing on that point.

This is what I aim to do. I have hundreds of hours of recordings. I have thousands of pages of text. Now I'm going to paint a picture with evidence provided by them. Not be guessing. I want to be able to prove or disprove everything I can.

Unfortunately, that also means I'll need some source for what you've given me. It may seem basic to you and it may very well be, but in a document that can stand scrutiny from the average citizen here I want it ironclad. We know radioactivity can escape in that steam because such-and-such manual teaches us that.

You get what I am going to do, yes?

Brick by brick, piece by piece I am going to build the case that somebody really, really screwed up really, really bad. Not because I think that, but because I can prove that.

For example, Mr. Goshi Hosono admitted that he lied in the early days of the disaster and said it was probably inevitable. Yet that fella has since been promoted to a higher position in the government.

The present prime minister was the boss of the fellas that helped with that deceit by government officials, but it didn't stop him from becoming prime minister.

So there are a whole bunch of powerful folks here that must not think they did anything wrong and the only way to get the grass roots support needed to change things is simple and easy to explain words backed by solid proof.

We can't go horsing around with theories and guesses or any of that stuff. The case has to built on solid easy to understand facts. It's the only way this is going to work.

Basically I have been in a collecting information mode for ten months.

Now as of my questions here I am going to start putting all the pieces together and paint a picture with words. And some basic images, like that steam escaping from the little square of a hole in that wall.

Eventually, I'll get more support, but right now there aren't too many of us.

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Temporary problem with reactor monitoring system

The Japanese government's nationwide nuclear reactor monitoring system failed to provide data for at least 24 hours before being restored on Saturday afternoon.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says that on early Friday afternoon a rapid reaction point near Shika nuclear power plant in Ishikawa Prefecture reported that all data from the Emergency Response and Support System was not showing up on its screens.

The system monitors pressure, temperature, and other real-time conditions of reactors at nuclear power plants across the country, as well as radiation dosage in surrounding areas. The system also predicts future conditions of reactors based on such data.

But the system recovered without any grave result at around 2:30 PM on Saturday.
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This is what I aim to do. I have hundreds of hours of recordings. I have thousands of pages of text. Now I'm going to paint a picture with evidence provided by them. Not be guessing. I want to be able to prove or disprove everything I can.

Unfortunately, that also means I'll need some source for what you've given me. It may seem basic to you and it may very well be, but in a document that can stand scrutiny from the average citizen here I want it ironclad. We know radioactivity can escape in that steam because such-and-such manual teaches us that.

You get what I am going to do, yes?
Brick by brick, piece by piece I am going to build the case that somebody really, really screwed up really, really bad. Not because I think that, but because I can prove that.

So there are a whole bunch of powerful folks here that must not think they did anything wrong and the only way to get the grass roots support needed to change things is simple and easy to explain words backed by solid proof.

We can't go horsing around with theories and guesses or any of that stuff. The case has to built on solid easy to understand facts. It's the only way this is going to work.


Now as of my questions here I am going to start putting all the pieces together and paint a picture with words. And some basic images, like that steam escaping from the little square of a hole in that wall.

Eventually, I'll get more support, but right now there aren't too many of us.
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I get it.

I'll be glad to share any information or links. I'm sure many who view this thread would be glad to contribute, as well.

I suggest posting specific questions here in the sequence you wish and give us a little time to find the information, if we can, to your satisfaction.

Perhaps we can be of some assistance.


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NRC Reactor AP1000 Design Certification Amended
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This is what I aim to do. I have hundreds of hours of recordings. I have thousands of pages of text. Now I'm going to paint a picture with evidence provided by them. Not be guessing. I want to be able to prove or disprove everything I can.

Unfortunately, that also means I'll need some source for what you've given me. It may seem basic to you and it may very well be, but in a document that can stand scrutiny from the average citizen here I want it ironclad. We know radioactivity can escape in that steam because such-and-such manual teaches us that.

You get what I am going to do, yes?
Brick by brick, piece by piece I am going to build the case that somebody really, really screwed up really, really bad. Not because I think that, but because I can prove that.

So there are a whole bunch of powerful folks here that must not think they did anything wrong and the only way to get the grass roots support needed to change things is simple and easy to explain words backed by solid proof.

We can't go horsing around with theories and guesses or any of that stuff. The case has to built on solid easy to understand facts. It's the only way this is going to work.


Now as of my questions here I am going to start putting all the pieces together and paint a picture with words. And some basic images, like that steam escaping from the little square of a hole in that wall.

Eventually, I'll get more support, but right now there aren't too many of us.
 Quoting: MIH



I get it.

I'll be glad to share any information or links. I'm sure many who view this thread would be glad to contribute, as well.

I suggest posting specific questions here in the sequence you wish and give us a little time to find the information, if we can, to your satisfaction.

Perhaps we can be of some assistance.


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@MIH

in so far as radiation is concerned, it doesn't need steam, it doesn't smell, and you can't see it, of course steam, water and materials help it to move further afield faster.

the reason it is "somewhat" contained is the building structures and such block some of the directions and distance it can travel, that is the reason helicopters and such are not being used, as anything above the reactor would be in "line of sight" of radioctive beams and emmisions from continued reactions... if that helps

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