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skyblau
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I thought some of you might have missed this important bit of news.

Here is an excerpt of the article...

"The number of hate groups and patriot groups, which do not all share beliefs and conduct, has been growing across the country since Obama was elected in 2008, according to an annual report by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals."Montana is developing into a hotbed," said Mark Potok, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project.

SPLC's 2010 compilation of active hate groups found 1,002 nationwide, with no more than 12 in the Inland Northwest between Missoula and Spokane."

I noticed some key points here:

1. Patriots are equated with hate groups and called extremists Although they share different beliefs.

2. Patriot groups are lumped in with extremists and these groups including individuals are being tracked.

3. Patriot groups are being put in the same catagory as referred to extremist, the Unabomber.

4. How about patriots being lumped in the same catagory as white supremacy, and hate groups.

5. The article goes even further and basically the implication is made that anyone who doesnt support the One World Goverment is concidered a terrorist.

what do you glpers think of this?

Do you see any other points that Main Media is trying to make here?
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
I thought some of you might have missed this important bit of news.

Here is an excerpt of the article...

"The number of hate groups and patriot groups, which do not all share beliefs and conduct, has been growing across the country since Obama was elected in 2008, according to an annual report by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals."Montana is developing into a hotbed," said Mark Potok, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project.

SPLC's 2010 compilation of active hate groups found 1,002 nationwide, with no more than 12 in the Inland Northwest between Missoula and Spokane."

I noticed some key points here:

1. Patriots are equated with hate groups and called extremists Although they share different beliefs.

2. Patriot groups are lumped in with extremists and these groups including individuals are being tracked.

3. Patriot groups are being put in the same catagory as referred to extremist, the Unabomber.

4. How about patriots being lumped in the same catagory as white supremacy, and hate groups.

5. The article goes even further and basically the implication is made that anyone who doesnt support the One World Goverment is concidered a terrorist.

what do you glpers think of this?

Do you see any other points that Main Media is trying to make here?
 Quoting: skyblau 1432372



Sorry here is the link
[link to news.yahoo.com]

5a
Anonymous Coward
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06/22/2011 04:54 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
Not surprised by it at all. I've been aware of the SPLC doing things like this for some time now.

Hell they even lump the John Birchers in with the hate groups.

Liberals with power is a bad thing.

And yes you are correct - anyone associated with any of the 'tagged' groups is earmarked and likely has an FBI file, etc.

Oh fucking well - is what I say.
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06/22/2011 04:56 PM
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the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals.

So the Southern Poverty Law Center actually has nothing to do with poverty then.

So why do they call it the Southern Poverty Law Center?
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the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals.

So the Southern Poverty Law Center actually has nothing to do with poverty then.

So why do they call it the Southern Poverty Law Center?
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Good question.
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06/22/2011 05:01 PM
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They already put the word out to have the Missouri State Patrol keep tabs on patriots and they have been for over 6 months.
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
Not surprised by it at all. I've been aware of the SPLC doing things like this for some time now.

Hell they even lump the John Birchers in with the hate groups.

Liberals with power is a bad thing.

And yes you are correct - anyone associated with any of the 'tagged' groups is earmarked and likely has an FBI file, etc.

Oh fucking well - is what I say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


You really need to really educate yourself and stop being
of the same moronic caliber as your opponents appear to be.


Dem or Repub, liberal or conservative makes no difference
as to the extent in which BOTH sides are willing to undertake in order to deprive us all of freedoms and rights endowed since birth...

Wake up.

The fact you say, "oh fucking well" means you aren't doing SHIT to stand up, so just sit the fuck down and refrain from posting.
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06/22/2011 05:09 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
I thought some of you might have missed this important bit of news.

Here is an excerpt of the article...

"The number of hate groups and patriot groups, which do not all share beliefs and conduct, has been growing across the country since Obama was elected in 2008, according to an annual report by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals."Montana is developing into a hotbed," said Mark Potok, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project.

SPLC's 2010 compilation of active hate groups found 1,002 nationwide, with no more than 12 in the Inland Northwest between Missoula and Spokane."

I noticed some key points here:

1. Patriots are equated with hate groups and called extremists Although they share different beliefs.

2. Patriot groups are lumped in with extremists and these groups including individuals are being tracked.

3. Patriot groups are being put in the same catagory as referred to extremist, the Unabomber.

4. How about patriots being lumped in the same catagory as white supremacy, and hate groups.

5. The article goes even further and basically the implication is made that anyone who doesnt support the One World Goverment is concidered a terrorist.

what do you glpers think of this?

Do you see any other points that Main Media is trying to make here?
 Quoting: skyblau 1432372



Sorry here is the link
[link to news.yahoo.com]

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432372

It's so simple, if you are trying to take over the world, i.e. NWO then, anyone who opposes you is the enemy, right?
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06/22/2011 05:22 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
Not surprised by it at all. I've been aware of the SPLC doing things like this for some time now.

Hell they even lump the John Birchers in with the hate groups.

Liberals with power is a bad thing.

And yes you are correct - anyone associated with any of the 'tagged' groups is earmarked and likely has an FBI file, etc.

Oh fucking well - is what I say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


You really need to really educate yourself and stop being
of the same moronic caliber as your opponents appear to be.


Dem or Repub, liberal or conservative makes no difference
as to the extent in which BOTH sides are willing to undertake in order to deprive us all of freedoms and rights endowed since birth...

Wake up.

The fact you say, "oh fucking well" means you aren't doing SHIT to stand up, so just sit the fuck down and refrain from posting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936193

Well put!
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06/22/2011 05:23 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
I thought some of you might have missed this important bit of news.

Here is an excerpt of the article...

"The number of hate groups and patriot groups, which do not all share beliefs and conduct, has been growing across the country since Obama was elected in 2008, according to an annual report by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks extremist groups and individuals."Montana is developing into a hotbed," said Mark Potok, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project.

SPLC's 2010 compilation of active hate groups found 1,002 nationwide, with no more than 12 in the Inland Northwest between Missoula and Spokane."

I noticed some key points here:

1. Patriots are equated with hate groups and called extremists Although they share different beliefs.

2. Patriot groups are lumped in with extremists and these groups including individuals are being tracked.

3. Patriot groups are being put in the same catagory as referred to extremist, the Unabomber.

4. How about patriots being lumped in the same catagory as white supremacy, and hate groups.

5. The article goes even further and basically the implication is made that anyone who doesnt support the One World Goverment is concidered a terrorist.

what do you glpers think of this?

Do you see any other points that Main Media is trying to make here?
 Quoting: skyblau 1432372



Sorry here is the link
[link to news.yahoo.com]

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1432372

It's so simple, if you are trying to take over the world, i.e. NWO then, anyone who opposes you is the enemy, right?
 Quoting: A/C 1351375


Pretty much, yeah.
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06/22/2011 05:31 PM
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ducks in the pond go quack
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06/22/2011 05:33 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
Found this on TacticalEdge.org
It is only like a third of the article entitled: DHS Brainwashing Local Law Enforcement.

Great site with a lot of good info.

So how does a person qualify as a potential domestic terrorist? Based on the training I have attended, here are characteristics that qualify:

* Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
* Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
* Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
* Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
* Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
* Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
* Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
* Homeschooling
* Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
* Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

A recent training session I attended encouraged law enforcement agencies to work with business owners to alert police when customers appear to be stockpiling items. An example was given that a federal agent was monitoring customers at a well known hunting and fishing retail outlet and noting who was purchasing certain items. This is something to remember the next time you purchase a case of ammo at one of these popular outdoor sports retail stores.

Methods of developing evidence of terrorist activity from virtually any search have also been discussed. Various common materials which may be associated with homemade explosives are listed, such as lengths of pipe, gunpowder, matches, flammable liquids and fireworks. Officers are told when these items are found, they can be listed as “bomb making materials”. The training even goes so far as to instruct officers that the items are cleverly disguised as legitimate, such as gasoline stored near a lawn mower, pipes stored in a shop building or gunpowder stored with reloading materials.

One course I attended used the example of a person employed as a plumber being the target of a search warrant. In this example, the officers were told how to use his employment as a plumber as further evidence of terrorism. The suspect’s employment would be described as an elaborate scheme to justify possessing pipes and chemicals so as to have bomb making materials readily available. Based on this example, all plumbers are potential pipe bomb makers. All gun dealers are plotting to provide arms to gangs or terrorists. All pest control companies are preparing mass poisonings. By using this logic, simply having the ability to do something criminal automatically makes the person guilty of plotting the crime. With all the various methods of manufacturing methamphetamine, it would also be easy to claim that a disassembled clandestine drug lab was located during the search. In other words, it is easy to frame anyone for possessing bomb making materials (or other crimes) if the officer knows what items to list in the report and how to link these items to terrorism.

Another common tactic used in DHS sponsored training is the slander of certain ideologies by linking an erroneous characteristic to a particular group. Here are some examples:

* These groups hold the anniversaries of certain dates as significant such a Ruby Ridge, Waco and Hitler’s birthday
* They oppose abortion, support gun rights and are affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan
* They are fearful of big government, espouse support for the Constitution and want to kill police officers
* These groups collect firearms, survivalist books and explosives
* These extremists read books such as Patriots, One Second After and The Anarchist Cookbook
* They are religious zealots, reading the book of Revelation, speak of the second coming of Christ and plan mass murders to summon the end of the world
* These people grow their own food, raise livestock and plot attacks on commercial food production facilities

Do you see how this tactic works? List common characteristics of libertarian/conservative minded people, then throw in a slanderous accusation. If A and B apply, then you should automatically presume C applies as well. If they were disturbed by the incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco, then obviously they must celebrate Hitler’s birthday. Officers are being conditioned to assume criminal and terroristic views when politically-incorrect views are observed. As simple-minded and ridiculous as this line of thinking is, there are some officers who unfortunately buy into this.

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06/22/2011 05:35 PM
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Not surprised by it at all. I've been aware of the SPLC doing things like this for some time now.

Hell they even lump the John Birchers in with the hate groups.

Liberals with power is a bad thing.

And yes you are correct - anyone associated with any of the 'tagged' groups is earmarked and likely has an FBI file, etc.

Oh fucking well - is what I say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


You really need to really educate yourself and stop being
of the same moronic caliber as your opponents appear to be.


Dem or Repub, liberal or conservative makes no difference
as to the extent in which BOTH sides are willing to undertake in order to deprive us all of freedoms and rights endowed since birth...

Wake up.

The fact you say, "oh fucking well" means you aren't doing SHIT to stand up, so just sit the fuck down and refrain from posting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936193


lmao

Have another potato chip.
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06/22/2011 05:39 PM
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Re: Patriots equated with extremists and govt admits they are being "tracked"
Found this on TacticalEdge.org
It is only like a third of the article entitled: DHS Brainwashing Local Law Enforcement.

Great site with a lot of good info.

So how does a person qualify as a potential domestic terrorist? Based on the training I have attended, here are characteristics that qualify:

* Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers)
* Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
* Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Second After" are mentioned by name)
* Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
* Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
* Religious views concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
* Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
* Homeschooling
* Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
* Belief in a New World Order conspiracy

A recent training session I attended encouraged law enforcement agencies to work with business owners to alert police when customers appear to be stockpiling items. An example was given that a federal agent was monitoring customers at a well known hunting and fishing retail outlet and noting who was purchasing certain items. This is something to remember the next time you purchase a case of ammo at one of these popular outdoor sports retail stores.

Methods of developing evidence of terrorist activity from virtually any search have also been discussed. Various common materials which may be associated with homemade explosives are listed, such as lengths of pipe, gunpowder, matches, flammable liquids and fireworks. Officers are told when these items are found, they can be listed as “bomb making materials”. The training even goes so far as to instruct officers that the items are cleverly disguised as legitimate, such as gasoline stored near a lawn mower, pipes stored in a shop building or gunpowder stored with reloading materials.

One course I attended used the example of a person employed as a plumber being the target of a search warrant. In this example, the officers were told how to use his employment as a plumber as further evidence of terrorism. The suspect’s employment would be described as an elaborate scheme to justify possessing pipes and chemicals so as to have bomb making materials readily available. Based on this example, all plumbers are potential pipe bomb makers. All gun dealers are plotting to provide arms to gangs or terrorists. All pest control companies are preparing mass poisonings. By using this logic, simply having the ability to do something criminal automatically makes the person guilty of plotting the crime. With all the various methods of manufacturing methamphetamine, it would also be easy to claim that a disassembled clandestine drug lab was located during the search. In other words, it is easy to frame anyone for possessing bomb making materials (or other crimes) if the officer knows what items to list in the report and how to link these items to terrorism.

Another common tactic used in DHS sponsored training is the slander of certain ideologies by linking an erroneous characteristic to a particular group. Here are some examples:

* These groups hold the anniversaries of certain dates as significant such a Ruby Ridge, Waco and Hitler’s birthday
* They oppose abortion, support gun rights and are affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan
* They are fearful of big government, espouse support for the Constitution and want to kill police officers
* These groups collect firearms, survivalist books and explosives
* These extremists read books such as Patriots, One Second After and The Anarchist Cookbook
* They are religious zealots, reading the book of Revelation, speak of the second coming of Christ and plan mass murders to summon the end of the world
* These people grow their own food, raise livestock and plot attacks on commercial food production facilities

Do you see how this tactic works? List common characteristics of libertarian/conservative minded people, then throw in a slanderous accusation. If A and B apply, then you should automatically presume C applies as well. If they were disturbed by the incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco, then obviously they must celebrate Hitler’s birthday. Officers are being conditioned to assume criminal and terroristic views when politically-incorrect views are observed. As simple-minded and ridiculous as this line of thinking is, there are some officers who unfortunately buy into this.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1382344



I wonder how many local LEO's read and ignore this? All cops aren't so dumb as to buy this shit hook, line, and sinker.





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