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Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation

 
Johntarz
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Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
Clocks in Sicily, Greece mysteriously gained 20 minutes. US to adjust frequency of power grid, may cause problem with electronic clocks.

In my opinion these changes and adjustments are a response to time dialation. Time dialation occurs when there is an interaction with a gravitational field.

"Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity.

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times. The effects detected in such experiments are extremely small, with differences being measured in nanoseconds.
Gravitational time dilation was first described by Albert Einstein in 1907[1] as a consequence of special relativity in accelerated frames of reference. In general relativity, it is considered to be a difference in the passage of proper time at different positions as described by a metric tensor of spacetime. The existence of gravitational time dilation was first confirmed directly by the PoundĖRebka experiment.

Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.[2]
Gravitational time dilation has also been confirmed by the PoundĖRebka experiment, observations of the spectra of the white dwarf Sirius B and experiments with time signals sent to and from Viking 1 Mars lander.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
If the speed of light is really constant, we could interpret that it should go through the sunís gravitational field at a
constant speed without changing speed or direction. Thus, the positions of planets in eclipse photos should remain as
though the field didnít exist. That is, the light travel would remain constant instead of being relative to the sunís frame and
gravitational frame. However; if the speed of light is relative, it should enter the sunís gravitation field and change to
become relative to the sun and itís frame influence. Thus, any and all observation of light going through a gravitation field
can be used to measure the relative influence of the field based on lights progression through the field. The stronger the
field, the more influence at greater distances.
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We donít understand all forces but we do understand some forces. When riding my tractor, I changed gear to provide
more speed on the PTO with less wheel speed from the same engine turns. Thus, the relative forces changed. We do
understand how tractor relative forces work. We donít know about all the relative forces in the universe. We do know
that a space craft trajectory can be plotted to cause it to accelerate as it goes around the sun. We know that planets use
the same acceleration forces as they move closer and further from the sun. There are many relative forces that could be
considered if open minds were to look for solutions that matched classical relativity reality instead of Einstein variable
space time with itís built in singularity flaw.
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Every experiment showing the speed of light has light going through a triangle as a result of the frame movement. Since
the frame continually moves in some direction and accelerates at some rate, the triangle is never the same. As a result,
there hasnít been 2 identical measurements of the speed of light. I have shown a variety of possible cross frame
measurements methods. In each case, the argument has always been that the measurement can be interpreted using
Einsteinís relativity to explain away the results. We have 100 years of experiments and activity that is interpreted as
supporting Einsteinís relativity. All of those activity have the same interpretation issue. They have the progressive time
error used as an excuse instead of being acknowledged as a progressive error that leads to the elimination of time. All of
the past 100 years of experiments and activity can be addressed and interpreted with CM and ChR with relative c as a
result of acceleration of the mechanism which causes a clock error or deviation. Light is relative as long as the frame is
inertial. When there is acceleration, the light is out of synch with the frame until the frame returns to inertial. The results
is a clock mechanism error. We donít have a real lack of cross frame experiments. We have an interpretation problem
about all the existing experiments. They can all be properly explained using ChR with relative c.
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Every measurement of the speed of light confirms that the measurement obtains the same results
regardless of the size or shape of the triangle in space where the light traveled. To repeat this experiment,
simply calculate the speed and direction of movement of the earth based platform being used to measure
the speed of light. Then calculate the shape of the triangle the light traveled. From those calculations you
can identify the speed of light through space as viewed from some remote point in space. You can observe
the triangle from the sun or the moon or any planet or other remote point in space. Each will give a
constant speed of light on earth but a different speed of light depending upon the remote observation point
as well as the time of day or the location and orientation on earth where the test is conducted.

In the above I show that the speed of light is relative and additive to the speed of the earth frame of
reference where it resides. I showed that objects move in space over time. In the following I address the
assumption that simultaneous events aren't simultaneous because time and space are variable.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
GR and Newtonian gravity

The presence of matter curves space-time in all directions. Space itself is also curved so that two strait (geodesic) lines in space that are parallel at some area get angled and closer or farther apart at a distance. But the effect of the curvature of space is usually minor and negligible. First because we usually talk about velocities that are much lower then light speed. For instance the speed of the Earth in its orbit around the Sun is about 1/10000 the speed of light. That is, while Earth moves one kilometer in say x direction it moves 10,000Km in the ct direction. Obviously the effect of the curvature on time (time dilation) is much more significant than this of the curvature in space directions. In small distances curvature is negligible and space can be considered flat. In addition when we talk about very long distances in space we may get far away from the body that cause the gravity field, and curvature in all directions of space-time gets very small.
When we eliminate space curvature from the equation of General Relativity, it gets the form of Newton's law of universal gravitation. So Newton's low of gravitation is an approximation to General Relativity for low speeds and week gravity field, just as classic mechanics is an approximation to Special Relativity for low speeds.
Space curvature gets significant when we deal with high speeds and very dense and massive bodies. Then, space curvature gets significant and classic gravitation equations do not predict the motion of bodies correctly. An example for such conditions is a small body in a close orbit around a neutron star. Its orbit is no longer elliptic and has a complex shape.

Verifications of the GR Theory

There are some known experiments and observations that verify the theory of General Relativity:

The bending of light by gravity has been shown by observations made during a total solar eclipse. At a total solar eclipse stars can be seen very close to the limb of the Sun. Measurements done on stars that appeared around the Sun during the eclipse showed that the distance between the stars looked greater then usual. The reason for this was that the light coming from the stars was bent by the gravity of the Sun.

Gravitational redshift has been shown by examining the spectrum of light coming from heavy starts like white dwarfs and neutron starts. Also experiments done on Earth by sending laser beams up a high tower could show the slight expected redshift.

Gravitational time dilation could be measured using precise clocks on planes and satellites. The Global Positioning System must take the gravitational time dilation into account to get accurate results.

The elliptic orbit of the planet Mercury is turning slowly in the direction of the orbit. The amount of this change in the orbit could not be explained by Newtonian gravity but it matches the equations of GR. Since Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun it is in a relatively strong gravity field and it also moves faster the other planets in the solar system. The effect of space curvature on its orbit is noticeable.
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In the 1960s, physicists Robert Pound and Glen Rebka experimentally confirmed a theoretical consequence of Einsteinís Theories of Relativity called the Gravitational Time Dilation Effect (GTDE). Pound and Rebka were able to demonstrate that time passes more slowly for objects the farther they travel into a gravity well. For example, Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites are farther away from the earth than objects on the planetís surface and are therefore less immersed in the gravity well caused by Earthís mass. The result is that time passes a little more quickly for our GPS satellites than it does for us here on the surface, since we are deeper inside of the earthís gravity well. Atomic clocks aboard the satellites and here on Earth have been used to detect and measure this difference in the rate of timeís passage.

Likewise, an atomic clock in Greenwich, England (at sea level), records a slower rate of time than the atomic clock in Boulder, Colorado (at 5,430 feet above sea level). At these relatively small altitudinal differences, the measurable effect is minor. The effect across the greater cosmos can be much more dramatic. The deeper a gravity well, the stronger the GTDE. In fact, according to General Relativity, time actually stands still at the boundary of a black holeóan area known to scientists as an ďevent horizon,Ē where gravity is so intense that even light cannot escape (hence the name ďblack holeĒ).
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
There's a simpler explanation. Did you know Venus rotates backwards? (Very slowly.) Current scientific theory is that Venus came close to a powerful magnetic field at some point and magnetic friction slowed its rotation, stopped it, then slightly reversed it.

The scientists at Neumayer Research Station have kindly provided us a couple of interesting images:

Neumayer, moon overhead:
[link to tinypic.com]

Neumayer, 3 hours later, brown dwarf overhead:
[link to tinypic.com]

That brown dwarf is a collapsed star. When a spinning ballerina pulls her arms in, she spins faster. That brown dwarf is undoubtedly spinning like a mofo and has a tremendously powerful magnetic field. It's likely what changed Venus' rotation long ago.

And now that it's that close to us - look how big it is compared to the Moon - magnetic friction is now slowing OUR rotation. There are now more than 1440 minutes in a day.

Hiding the slowing rotation from people is easy if EVERYTHING gets updated time from a centralized time source like the atomic clocks. But many clocks do not - so they are increasingly showing discrepancies. This will be harder and harder to hide as time goes on (unintentional pun).
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
your arguments would be more convincing if you could spell dilation
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A change has occurred in the graviational field of the earth, sun, or solar sytem, or a combination of these factors.

Observe the dramatic earth changes that have been occurring. Those that frequent this board or have studied have had ample evidence of solar, physical, weather, natural disaster, tectonic, volcanic, seismic, space weather, solar system, etc.

Does this point to the graviational changes as we cross the galactic equator?

Does this point to a gravitational force such as a planet or star entering our solar system?

Does this point to a terrestrial gravitational change caused by man or unknown forces as some have suggested ie. CERN, solar cycle, entering a gravity well (magnetic ribbon annomaly)?
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BTW, the time dilation theory could perhaps explain the exploding transformers because it would cause mis-matches in the phase of the AC cycle. Could also explain spirals as well (...but that theory is beyond me).
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06/25/2011 05:06 PM
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
Clocks in Sicily, Greece
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This happened in Greece also??? Sicily is part of Italy.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
your arguments would be more convincing if you could spell dilation
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Did the misspelling cause confusion in reference to the meaning of what was written?

Wisdom seeks to understand the meaning in communication.

Lack of understanding will prompt criticism or refutation based on tiny discrepancies, instead of the meaning.

An argument is convincing based on its merit, not on its dictation.

A product of our current state of affairs is that most will not contribute substantially, only peripherally and in a self-serving way.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
Clocks in Sicily, Greece
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This happened in Greece also??? Sicily is part of Italy.
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Thanks for that correction, yes Sicily, Italy.
Greece is collapsing financially, but not reporting clock problems.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
BTW, the time dilation theory could perhaps explain the exploding transformers because it would cause mis-matches in the phase of the AC cycle. Could also explain spirals as well (...but that theory is beyond me).
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A proposal based on your point.

All planetary-size bodies generate a magnetic field. The field is stronger in relation to the bodies mass, composition (iron core, gas, etc), spin, and its relation to other bodies.

Stars and planets have gravitational node rings. These are generated at the equitorial plane of the body and have strong gravitational points called node rings. These rings are where other bodies that are captured by the bodies graviational field will reside.

The moon is located on the earths equatorial node ring at the point of strong magnetic force.

Saturn is a clear model of rings visible at the equatorial plane of a planet.

The solar system planets reside in the node rings of the suns gravitational nodes on the equatorial plane of the sun called the ecliptic.

A dead star or other planet-sized body entering our solar system would have node rings that would cross earth's orbit at certain times relative to the movement of that body and its equatorial node ring orientation.

If the earth entered the node ring of another body with strong graviational forces, it could cause localized gravitational annomalies and other disturbances.
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
Interesting take on the subject with regard to history and mythology.
Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
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Re: Sicily clocks and grid shutdown/freq. adjustment -- time dilation
What about all the watches?
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What about all the watches?
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From reading various stories, articles, and posts concerning the clocks, it seems that electronic devices are effected by speeding up or gaining time when compared to mechanical clocks.

Is an electrical/magnetic phenomena affecting electronic devices because of their frequency? The proposed changes by the navy to create a wider range of frequency for the electrical grid will compensate for this?





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