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PRIVATE VRS PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS

 
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PRIVATE VRS PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS
Why is it that public sector workers feel the need to remind private sector workers that their job is more important than a private sector job?

They say that without their 'willingness' to do their jobs that the system would collapse however what if there were no checkout girls at the local supermarket? Where would the public sector workers get their food?

What if there were no telephone engineers to fix a phone line? How would public sector workers make a phone call?

What if there were no salesman at the local electronics store? Where would public sector workers buy there TV's, computers and HIFI's?

Literally hundreds of examples can be provided...

Public sector workers don't perform any task of greater importance than 99% of private employees and therefore don't deserve any form of special treatment WHATSOEVER.

Infact, most of these public sector parasites spend their time making life difficult for private sector people.
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If you would like to support of the people you should first of all stop making life difficult for the weak (sanctioning benefits for people that arn't doing anything wrong).

Accept that we are all in this period of austerity toegether and take the hit along with everybody else....
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06/30/2011 09:36 PM
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Bugger off with your people dividing austerity bullshit.
Lets talk about corporate welfare.
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Bugger off with your people dividing austerity bullshit.
Lets talk about corporate welfare.
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Start your own thread if you have something to talk about.
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06/30/2011 09:53 PM
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Are there no public sector maggots around to defend their superior righteousness?
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06/30/2011 09:59 PM
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Its the old story, make shit up and spread it wide and and keep repeating it, after a while the sheeple will start believing it. Most public service jobs take 5 people to do what 2 or 3 people can do in the private sector. They have an easy life and don't want to admit it.
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06/30/2011 10:01 PM
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Where I'm from, we don't need ANY government worker, because we have people in our community with the skills, expertise and training to do every single job:

Police and Fire
Accounting
Road Work and heavy equipment
Electric Power
Water and Sewer
Teaching
Airport
Healthcare
IT and Communications
Engineering

We have the ability to set up emergency shelter for child care services.

If every government worker walked out tomorrow, we'd miss a couple beats, while we set up our teams and then go for it.

The government workers can quit and stay away. EVERY single one of them!
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Come on Mr public sector...

Step up and justify why you are superior than the gas engineers that provide your heating, the taxi drivers that ensure you get home safe on a night, the chefs that prepare your meal at the restaurant, the call centre agent who take care of your billing query, the supermarket assistants, the bar lady who serves you a glass of wine, the gardener who trims your mothers lawn and the list goes on and on.

Come on Mr Public sector, you justify why you are superior to all private workers and why you deserve conditions above an beyond all those who ensure that YOUR life functions smoothly.
Anonymous Coward
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07/01/2011 08:06 PM
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BS divide and conquer OP.

It's us against the banksters/politicos
ClearEyed Thinker

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07/01/2011 08:08 PM
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BS divide and conquer OP.

It's us against the banksters/politicos
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1442186


Public and Private Sector workers need to be working together to help each other.

Private Sector workers have allowed their wages to remain stagnant, due to lack of collective representation. They need to unionize and demand the same benefits that their parents and grandparents had.
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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BS divide and conquer OP.

It's us against the banksters/politicos
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1442186


Nah, the mentality of the public sector employee is as follows...


We will fuck everybody around as much as you banksters would like us to aslong as you give us more and more money.
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07/01/2011 08:13 PM
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Come on Mr Public sector, you justify why you are superior to all private workers and why you deserve conditions above an beyond all those who ensure that YOUR life functions smoothly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


Seriously! They should cut the shit and give up all those perks like overtime pay, health insurance, holiday pay, vacations and stuff.

The only way the jobs will come back to the US is if we are competitive with third world countries. So we really have to try harder and give up more.

We can do it!

cheer
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
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Come on Mr Public sector, you justify why you are superior to all private workers and why you deserve conditions above an beyond all those who ensure that YOUR life functions smoothly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


Seriously! They should cut the shit and give up all those perks like overtime pay, health insurance, holiday pay, vacations and stuff.
 Quoting: Ilikecandy


Not much point in having a higher pension that a private employee if nobody is at the other side of the bar to serve you a glass of wine along with your beef dinner....
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Come on Mr Public sector, you justify why you are superior to all private workers and why you deserve conditions above an beyond all those who ensure that YOUR life functions smoothly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


Seriously! They should cut the shit and give up all those perks like overtime pay, health insurance, holiday pay, vacations and stuff.
 Quoting: Ilikecandy


Not much point in having a higher pension that a private employee if nobody is at the other side of the bar to serve you a glass of wine along with your beef dinner....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


I, for one, would feel much better about ordering said beef dinner and fine wine if the person serving them to me had been paid a fair wage, worked in decent conditions, and was generally treated well by their employer.

Last Edited by ClearEyed Thinker on 07/01/2011 08:39 PM
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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well it will happen, i havent any doubts about it, but how long will it take and at what price, it is the natural evolution of intelligent order, we cant continue on this path we are starring directly into ww3 , the chaotic backlash of so many different customs, religeons ,and laws are once again boiling out of controll. WE HAVE TO CHANGE, AND SOON.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1446799


Why? Things were perfectly FINE 15 - 20 years ago. Everyone was happy, except the evil controllers that have to instigate wars and conflicts and poison us. And you seriously want to hand over 100% control of everything after they destroy and wither everything they touch? To these vile animals?

You are mad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1437659


Everybody was happy 15 or 20 years ago, or you were happy 15 or 20 years ago?
 Quoting: Blue Eyed Devil


Come on Mr Public sector, you justify why you are superior to all private workers and why you deserve conditions above an beyond all those who ensure that YOUR life functions smoothly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


Seriously! They should cut the shit and give up all those perks like overtime pay, health insurance, holiday pay, vacations and stuff.
 Quoting: Ilikecandy


Not much point in having a higher pension that a private employee if nobody is at the other side of the bar to serve you a glass of wine along with your beef dinner....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


I, for one, would feel much better about ordering said beef dinner and fine wine if the person serving them to me had been paid a fair wage, worked in decent conditions, and was generally treated well by their employer.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Why are you quoting people who havn't posted on this thread?
ClearEyed Thinker

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07/01/2011 08:40 PM
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Sorry about that. Didn't clear my previous quote before posting this one.

Fixed now.
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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Sorry about that. Didn't clear my previous quote before posting this one.

Fixed now.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Ok no problem...

Would you go on strike for the benefits of private workers to ensure they had appropriate working conditions if you were aware that they didn't have any method of striking for themselves?

Just asking...
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07/01/2011 08:44 PM
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bumpchuckle
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Would you go on strike for the benefits of private workers to ensure they had appropriate working conditions if you were aware that they didn't have any method of striking for themselves?

Just asking...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777



I like to think that, were I a public sector worker, that I would.

As a private sector worker, unprotected by a union, I can't go on strike. I think that the lack of legal recourse available to private sector employees is astonishing for a society as ostensibly "free" as ours.
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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Would you go on strike for the benefits of private workers to ensure they had appropriate working conditions if you were aware that they didn't have any method of striking for themselves?

Just asking...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777



I like to think that, were I a public sector worker, that I would.

As a private sector worker, unprotected by a union, I can't go on strike. I think that the lack of legal recourse available to private sector employees is astonishing for a society as ostensibly "free" as ours.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Precisely, and my question was hypothetical ofcourse with you being a private sector worker.

We still await Mr Public sector to put in a virtuous and justified appearance.
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Why are you hypothetically firing all these private sector workers, do you think that public sector workers want there to be no private sector workers at all?

Also I do think that some public sector workers in the UK like surgeons, doctors, fireman, coastguard, police, etc do do a more important job than many (if not most for some) private sector workers unless of course they are in the private sector of those professions. Not an opinion I feel bad about although if I ever got a job in the public sector in those fields (which I won't) I wouldn't feel superior, smug or smarmy about it nor do I experience any public sector workers in the UK/London having that attitude either if that is what you are implying.
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Public Worker: "&@#[email protected]! Government stole my pension!!!!"

Private Worker: "What's a pension?"
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Would you go on strike for the benefits of private workers to ensure they had appropriate working conditions if you were aware that they didn't have any method of striking for themselves?

Just asking...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777



I like to think that, were I a public sector worker, that I would.

As a private sector worker, unprotected by a union, I can't go on strike. I think that the lack of legal recourse available to private sector employees is astonishing for a society as ostensibly "free" as ours.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Precisely, and my question was hypothetical ofcourse with you being a private sector worker.

We still await Mr Public sector to put in a virtuous and justified appearance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


That being the case, I would say this:

If ALL else failed, then yes, I would support a general strike of private sector workers. For instance, if Wal Mart workers struck, I would be right there in the picket line.

Just because people can't find great jobs doesn't mean that they should be treated as human cattle.
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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Why are you hypothetically firing all these private sector workers, do you think that public sector workers want there to be no private sector workers at all?

Also I do think that some public sector workers in the UK like surgeons, doctors, fireman, coastguard, police, etc do do a more important job than many (if not most for some) private sector workers unless of course they are in the private sector of those professions. Not an opinion I feel bad about although if I ever got a job in the public sector in those fields (which I won't) I wouldn't feel superior, smug or smarmy about it nor do I experience any public sector workers in the UK/London having that attitude either if that is what you are implying.
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Then why don't public sector workers shut the fuck up and be grateful for what they have already got instead of striking and making private sectory workers lives more difficult?

The Benefits of a public sector worker are far better than a private sector worker yet they would not be able to live the lifestyle that they do if private sector workers didn't exist.

Upon that basis, why should there be any diversity in terms of pensions, holiday entitlement and other assorted benefits?
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48 hours and still no public sector employee is able to justify why they deserve superior entitlements to that of a private sector employee.

Perhaps we have touched base?
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Would you go on strike for the benefits of private workers to ensure they had appropriate working conditions if you were aware that they didn't have any method of striking for themselves?

Just asking...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777



I like to think that, were I a public sector worker, that I would.

As a private sector worker, unprotected by a union, I can't go on strike. I think that the lack of legal recourse available to private sector employees is astonishing for a society as ostensibly "free" as ours.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Precisely, and my question was hypothetical ofcourse with you being a private sector worker.

We still await Mr Public sector to put in a virtuous and justified appearance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


That being the case, I would say this:

If ALL else failed, then yes, I would support a general strike of private sector workers. For instance, if Wal Mart workers struck, I would be right there in the picket line.

Just because people can't find great jobs doesn't mean that they should be treated as human cattle.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


Your words are perfectly crafted.
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Why are you hypothetically firing all these private sector workers, do you think that public sector workers want there to be no private sector workers at all?

Also I do think that some public sector workers in the UK like surgeons, doctors, fireman, coastguard, police, etc do do a more important job than many (if not most for some) private sector workers unless of course they are in the private sector of those professions. Not an opinion I feel bad about although if I ever got a job in the public sector in those fields (which I won't) I wouldn't feel superior, smug or smarmy about it nor do I experience any public sector workers in the UK/London having that attitude either if that is what you are implying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1330812


Then why don't public sector workers shut the fuck up and be grateful for what they have already got instead of striking and making private sectory workers lives more difficult?

The Benefits of a public sector worker are far better than a private sector worker yet they would not be able to live the lifestyle that they do if private sector workers didn't exist.

Upon that basis, why should there be any diversity in terms of pensions, holiday entitlement and other assorted benefits?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419777


Personally I feel like there has been a major attack on the citizens rights to protest for a long time now. In London there have been squeezed out by laws over the last decade in areas and the rhetoric I hear/read often worries me into thinking that the government and all sectors of employment would love it if a citizen had no right to protest or stick up for themselves at all.

Seeing that the ability for a worker to have means to try and protect their work conditions (including striking) are hard fought over the decades I wouldn't want to even begin on a road which could see the anti protest/strike cause win in any area, including jobs.

I am all for the private sector to be able to strike and stick up for themselves too. The trouble with some public sector jobs is that by their nature they will f*** things up when they strike like fireman, medical staff, transport and teachers and the private sector workers will feel aggrieved but there is no other way around it if they are to strike. I am sure they regret the inconvenience but they have to cause it by the nature of their job.

I have had train strikers completely ruin my day before, I was pissed but I wouldn't want them to lose their right to strike.


The "They should just be grateful" soundbite is used alot and alongside the inconvenience caused the government know that opinion can quickly go against the strikers which makes them less likely to budge and the strikers more pushed to strike. I am of the thinking that they should have the right to protect their jobs and so should the private sector too, not that the public sector should lose it because the private have less maneuver ability.


I find alot of vitriol against strikers is motivated by bitterness, the attitude that "I cannot/refuse to try and better my situation so I will actively try to stop or loudly denounce anyone who tries to better theirs". It is sad really but is quite a common attitude in the UK and not just to do with jobs.


Concerning your middle sentence I see it that both the private and public sector need each other, they both receive the benefits and services of each other.

Some private sector workers earn so much more than public and some public workers (like teaching assistants for example) earn so much less than many private sector workers and visa versa. I don't think it is fair to say that private sector workers have it worse, like you can lump them all together.
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I find alot of vitriol against strikers is motivated by bitterness, the attitude that "I cannot/refuse to try and better my situation so I will actively try to stop or loudly denounce anyone who tries to better theirs". It is sad really but is quite a common attitude in the UK and not just to do with jobs.
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I wouldn't be so concerned if it wasn't for the fact that the reason why these public sector workers are striking is because central government is pushing more pressure on public sector employee's to follow instructions that are causing greater and greater problems for private sector employees. What public sector employee's are effectively striking for here in the UK today is for the right to recieve more money in exchange for the abuse they are inevitably recieving from private sectors employee's.

Examples are:

Private sector workers who are being sanctioned at the job centre for reasons that are completely unjustifiable and then advising these human beings whom have no money to buy a loaf of bread, to place their appeal in writing to a department that won't respond for atleast 14 days...

Police that are more concerned with arresting and searching 'suspects' than smiling and offering a helping hand.

Council officials who are more concerned with fining people who place their bin out on the street for collection several hours earlier than they are 'supposed to'.

Concerning your middle sentence I see it that both the private and public sector need each other, they both receive the benefits and services of each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1330812


Precisely and therefore there shouldn't be ANY diversity in benefits, pension or ANY other entitlement WHATSOEVER.

Some private sector workers earn so much more than public and some public workers (like teaching assistants for example) earn so much less than many private sector workers and visa versa. I don't think it is fair to say that private sector workers have it worse, like you can lump them all together.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1330812


I didn't 'lump them all together' I merely propose that there already exists an excessive chasm/diversity between the entitlements of public sector workers over and beyond that of the vast majority of private workers and that needs to be truncated with immediate effect.

Let us not forget, the reason why these public sector workers are striking... It is because they are recieving more abuse from private sector workers due to ever more intrusive central government policies and in effect, what public sector workers are striking for is the right to recieve more money and 'entitlements' for which in exchange they will gladly follow these instructions and thus continue to make life more difficult for private workers.

This, has no justification.
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I never heard a public sector somebody say what you say they say. But I have heard more like you saying public sector jobs are bullshit and private sector jobs are not bullshit.
I think many public sector or private sector jobs or bullshit and many of them are not bullshit.
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I never heard a public sector somebody say what you say they say. But I have heard more like you saying public sector jobs are bullshit and private sector jobs are not bullshit.
I think many public sector or private sector jobs or bullshit and many of them are not bullshit.
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So why should bullshit be more favouable than bullshit?





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