Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone?

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Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1451862 United States 07/03/2011 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? We have reached the peak of our civilization, again. The reason I say again is because new technology is old technology. We can only improve on old technologies. There have been great discoveries and innovations in science and medicine, like electricity, the transistor, micro-chips, vaccines, and atomic energy; but we have reached our limits. We can design things and make them smaller, or bigger, but these are just based on old technologies. Technologies based on electricity. Digital technologies like I pods and cell phones that we would have probably had back in the 1950s if someone had invented them. Everything is theoretical, and we have not discovered or created a greater power source than nuclear energy. Maybe that’s a good thing since we would have probably destroyed the planet a long time ago if we had something more powerful than atomic energy. It’s 2011, and we are still using fossil fuels to power our internal combustion engines. We will never travel outside our solar system using rocket fuel. We are done. Inventions will continue to pop up, but nothing new, and theories in quantum physics are a dime a dozen. Then we have the gold standard, governments, food shortages, over-population, pollution, natural disasters, new diseases, and wars on top of wars. Something has to give, and something will happen, and soon. Side note: The elements that make up this planet, minus the crap that we have put in orbit around us, is the same physical elements that have been around since the creation of this planet. Anyone wonder why it took so long to re-discover electricity? Or discover the chemical properties of plastic? Or figure out that we can refine oil and use it to power a car? All modern technologies could have existed thousands of years ago, since they are all based on the same physical elements. Remember, with the exception of the space program, nothing has ever left this planet. It’s the same physical matter that has always been here. It’s been only in the last 200 years that we have been able to truly mold the chemical and physical properties of matter into our current technologies. Funny, I guess we must have been content just herding goats around for the last 4000 years. Or maybe civilization needs to start over again from square one, like it has in the past. Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone?

Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452687 Australia 07/03/2011 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? ignoramus
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452797 United States 07/03/2011 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? America had to be founded first so all the cool shit could be invented.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1403348 United States 07/03/2011 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? We didnt stop inventing/discovering breakthroughs.... The best ones are just kept secret, buried, and or militarized.. The others are monopolized..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1266986 United States 07/03/2011 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Interesting read. I totally agree with you about needing for us to up our game when it comes to electricity. Although, as best as I understand it, far when it comes to being able to extract crazy amounts of energy, we have always been subject to people using that same energy in a different way for evil. I'm not there with you on the cell phone though. If everyone throughout history had the same mental capacity as me, well... we would still be in the stone age, and I'd like to consider myself as pretty intelligent. It's fascinating to me how so many things in this world are here based on the collective efforts of people working together, not alone. There seems to have been a quite noticeable explosion of knowledge in the last 200 years. It's especially interesting the development in just the last 20. I would like to believe if we keep accelerating in the same fashion, ideas of intergalactic travel and reversing the aging process of cells are not out of the spectrum of possibilities, just yet.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452725 United States 07/03/2011 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? OP you remind me of the guy that said the patient office should be shut down because any thing that could be invented already was. This was at the beginning of the last century. Just because we still use fossil fuels doesn't mean that there aren't better known sources. The worlds economy is based on petroleum, and they wont just change it.
Triquetra User ID: 1452824 Portugal 07/03/2011 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Those with money control everything. If they see they can make more money by taking us back to stone age you can bet your ass they would do it on the spot. Loads of stuff around that could revolutionize alot of our normal day by day lifes, but if they not lucrative with those in power they just get silenced with whatever means necessary.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452832 Australia 07/03/2011 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? fuckin magnets, how do they work?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1451752 United Kingdom 07/03/2011 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? as an engineer, i disagree.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1449500 Canada 07/03/2011 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I just had a thought, thinking about how things reset themselves like earth will do soon. Perhaps previous civilizations made it to the moon and or mars and left evidence of that. Seems to me previous civilizations made the pyramids. We didn't do it. It's time for a reset.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447152 United States 07/03/2011 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Modern technology is dominion over electromagnetism. Before Maxwell and Tesla explained it all to the rest of us dummies NOTHING could be done. Basically you have it all backwards. The miracle is that we ever got past the Stone Age.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447152 United States 07/03/2011 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Interesting read. I totally agree with you about needing for us to up our game when it comes to electricity. Although, as best as I understand it, far when it comes to being able to extract crazy amounts of energy, we have always been subject to people using that same energy in a different way for evil. I'm not there with you on the cell phone though. If everyone throughout history had the same mental capacity as me, well... we would still be in the stone age, and I'd like to consider myself as pretty intelligent. It's fascinating to me how so many things in this world are here based on the collective efforts of people working together, not alone. There seems to have been a quite noticeable explosion of knowledge in the last 200 years. It's especially interesting the development in just the last 20. I would like to believe if we keep accelerating in the same fashion, ideas of intergalactic travel and reversing the aging process of cells are not out of the spectrum of possibilities, just yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266986 We approach The Singularity. And they'd rather see us dead.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1057985 United Kingdom 07/03/2011 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Interesting read. I totally agree with you about needing for us to up our game when it comes to electricity. Although, as best as I understand it, far when it comes to being able to extract crazy amounts of energy, we have always been subject to people using that same energy in a different way for evil. I'm not there with you on the cell phone though. If everyone throughout history had the same mental capacity as me, well... we would still be in the stone age, and I'd like to consider myself as pretty intelligent. It's fascinating to me how so many things in this world are here based on the collective efforts of people working together, not alone. There seems to have been a quite noticeable explosion of knowledge in the last 200 years. It's especially interesting the development in just the last 20. I would like to believe if we keep accelerating in the same fashion, ideas of intergalactic travel and reversing the aging process of cells are not out of the spectrum of possibilities, just yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266986 I think you will find that nearly all fundamental discoveries were made by the idle-rich, or the obsessive loner types. Tesla would be the perfect example. The individual has, and will always be, the great innovator. Wealth helps too.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452567 United States 07/03/2011 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Obviously we were in the dark ages of Rome for 1500 years. All technology such as even the printing press was suppressed. After the Protestant Reformation and subsequent fall of Rome in 1798-1870 the resulting industrial revolution allowed many innovation. Today Rome once again returns to tyrannical world wide power. old world order - Holy Roman Empire new world order - Rome's masonic empire
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447152 United States 07/03/2011 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Obviously we were in the dark ages of Rome for 1500 years. All technology such as even the printing press was suppressed. After the Protestant Reformation and subsequent fall of Rome in 1798-1870 the resulting industrial revolution allowed many innovation. Today Rome once again returns to tyrannical world wide power. old world order - Holy Roman Empire new world order - Rome's masonic empire Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1452567 It is no match for The Singularity.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1451214 Canada 07/03/2011 04:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? u know cell phone is Antichrist.

Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452888 Spain 07/03/2011 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? No, Tesla had built one without modern electronics about 100 years ago. It took him only first part of his life.
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1451862 United States 07/03/2011 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I agree with many of the comments. Yes, Tesla was ahead of his time, along with dozens of other great scientist. Electromagnetic energy and gravity is still one of those topics that keep getting a new theoretical spin placed on them. The world economy and TPTB may also control information and knowledge, or at a minimum; control funding for such research in order to “make a buck”. I don’t know what this singularity is, unless you are quoting the Mayan’s theory that time speeds up in cycles along with knowledge. I just believe that the Industrial Revolution leading up to Maxwell, Tesla, and Einstein’s theories of relativity took too long to come into existence. Human beings have been on this planet a long time, but the explosion of knowledge and modern technologies seem recent in the history of the world. It does not follow a logical evolutionary path. Why only recent? The Egyptians seem like they were an intelligent bunch that should have mastered some of these technologies. The entire learning curve is off. Too many thousands of years elapsed before Einstein came along. Not getting too much into the religious aspects of all this, but the Bible does mention that in the end days “knowledge would be greatly increased”.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452888 Spain 07/03/2011 05:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I agree with many of the comments. Yes, Tesla was ahead of his time, along with dozens of other great scientist. Electromagnetic energy and gravity is still one of those topics that keep getting a new theoretical spin placed on them. The world economy and TPTB may also control information and knowledge, or at a minimum; control funding for such research in order to “make a buck”. I don’t know what this singularity is, unless you are quoting the Mayan’s theory that time speeds up in cycles along with knowledge. I just believe that the Industrial Revolution leading up to Maxwell, Tesla, and Einstein’s theories of relativity took too long to come into existence. Human beings have been on this planet a long time, but the explosion of knowledge and modern technologies seem recent in the history of the world. It does not follow a logical evolutionary path. Why only recent? The Egyptians seem like they were an intelligent bunch that should have mastered some of these technologies. The entire learning curve is off. Too many thousands of years elapsed before Einstein came along. Not getting too much into the religious aspects of all this, but the Bible does mention that in the end days “knowledge would be greatly increased”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451862 The ways of our technology took are erroneous, based on one-sided, and quantitative science, the other side is not considered, and even vehemently rejected... cutting it sort: the tech we have now is not the one which would naturally 'evolve' with man, but something that had been suggested and imposed from "without", without those who push it forward really understanding that they are not their own "ideas".
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452888 Spain 07/03/2011 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I agree with many of the comments. Yes, Tesla was ahead of his time, along with dozens of other great scientist. Electromagnetic energy and gravity is still one of those topics that keep getting a new theoretical spin placed on them. The world economy and TPTB may also control information and knowledge, or at a minimum; control funding for such research in order to “make a buck”. I don’t know what this singularity is, unless you are quoting the Mayan’s theory that time speeds up in cycles along with knowledge. I just believe that the Industrial Revolution leading up to Maxwell, Tesla, and Einstein’s theories of relativity took too long to come into existence. Human beings have been on this planet a long time, but the explosion of knowledge and modern technologies seem recent in the history of the world. It does not follow a logical evolutionary path. Why only recent? The Egyptians seem like they were an intelligent bunch that should have mastered some of these technologies. The entire learning curve is off. Too many thousands of years elapsed before Einstein came along. Not getting too much into the religious aspects of all this, but the Bible does mention that in the end days “knowledge would be greatly increased”. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451862 The ways of our technology took are erroneous, based on one-sided, and quantitative science, the other side is not considered, and even vehemently rejected... cutting it sort: the tech we have now is not the one which would naturally 'evolve' with man, but something that had been suggested and imposed from "without", without those who push it forward really understanding that they are not their own "ideas". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1452888 to add: hardly would any "intelligent" creatures anywhere in the creation, i think, be so dumb as to "build sand castles oblivious of rain and wind"
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1057985 United Kingdom 07/03/2011 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? The military is usually the first to use newly discovered tech (mostly because of the unlimited budgets) and seem obsessed with gaining advantage with it. What is overlooked, is the fact that high-tech is essentially low-tech that has been stacked, and the more complex a thing becomes, the more vulnerable it is to simple attacks.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452888 Spain 07/03/2011 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? The military is usually the first to use newly discovered tech (mostly because of the unlimited budgets) and seem obsessed with gaining advantage with it. What is overlooked, is the fact that high-tech is essentially low-tech that has been stacked, and the more complex a thing becomes, the more vulnerable it is to simple attacks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1057985 exactly. and we drowning in complexity...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1451133 United Kingdom 07/03/2011 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? What a complete load of rubbish. Progress and invention has been happening for at least a couple of million years, and is still happening now. One primary driver is building on and improving older ideas. We went from stone tools, to bronze, to iron, to steel and then on into the industrial / technological age... We developed language, writing, mathematics, sciences... We've moved from walking, to riding horses, to cars, trains, planes... The other driver is creativity and knowledge. Somebody has to think of a new idea, or science has to advance to make things possible. Without an understanding of electromagnetism there would be no use of electricity... Without engineering skills we couldn't build massive bridges, dams, buildings... Without quantum theory there would be no semiconductors, no computers, no cell phones... You remind me of the (mis)quote that they should close the patent office because everything had been invented. It'll be interesting to see what science, thechnology and human innovation comes up with next, but I'd bet good money it won't be nothing :-)
Levski User ID: 318585 Bulgaria 07/03/2011 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? we have not discovered or created a greater power source than nuclear energy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451862 Of course we have, don't be naive. It's kept secret Last Edited by Levski on 07/03/2011 07:46 AM Noah was a conspiracy theorist too, until it started raining.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1451133 United Kingdom 07/03/2011 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Why only recent? The Egyptians seem like they were an intelligent bunch that should have mastered some of these technologies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451862 Based on what? They were living in the bronze age so how were they supposed to advance anywhere except improving on what existed at the time? They did make progress, and added to the ever-growing trove of science and technology, but they had to do it using the tools and knowledge available to them. They had no way to suddenly discover quantum mechanics or how to fabricate integrated circuits. The entire learning curve is off. Too many thousands of years elapsed before Einstein came along. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451862 Einstein wasn't unique. Clever, yes, but not unique by any means. There have been many others through history who made those sorts of leaps - Newton, Darwin, Euler, Galileo, Pasteur, Euclid... The list is very large indeed. And all of them built on what went before - or to paraphrase Newton, they "stood on the shoulders of giants".
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297592 Bulgaria 07/03/2011 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? Most of modern technologies are discovered in last 100 years. And cell phones takes about 30-40 years to be created. And many of new inventions are kept hidden by "elite", and they give them to public in small portions and on high price.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1309528 United States 07/03/2011 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? OP is a retard.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1438449 United States 07/03/2011 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? We need to recognize our limits before progress is possible again. For small-brained modern cave people inventions are merely tools for entertainment or terminating a pointless existence.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1448663 United States 07/03/2011 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I still see things changing quickly. Technology continues to evolve at a rapid pace.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452981 United States 07/03/2011 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? I think the real question is, how long does it take to go from raw materials and human hands to micro-transistors and complex electrical systems that we have today. First humans have to mine, by hand, the metals they need to build the machines to mine even more materials. That alone takes thousands of years. Find the mines, make primitive tools first such as shovels and picks, then process the material by hand. Then you need blacksmiths, someone who can do something with that material, shape it to whatever you need. After that, the leaps could happen fairly quickly if neither money nor society were to stop or slow them down. But the mere thought of mining thousands of tons of iron by hand and then forging the first pieces of metal that would turn into the machines we use, its just mind boggling. Takes a long time and there is no shortcut. After you can mine, process, purify, refine your elements, probably takes 200 years or less to figure out how electricity works, how to miniaturize a transistor, build your first computers to help you design new ones. Lithography, silicon wafers, its all build upon other technology first, such as the purification of that silicon. You also use chemicals to etch away layers on your wafer. So basically you need to master the following. Mining, purification, processing, chemistry, electro-magnetic properties and more. I'm just saying that its not easy to get from there to here. And that's why it takes 4000 years to build a cellphone. Probably could have happened in 200 had the technologies I mentioned earlier already been available and the knowledge been present.
Greg_B. User ID: 1259308 United States 07/03/2011 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation	Re: Does it really take 4000 years to build a cell phone? The real answer is this: Technology isn't needed when you have slaves. The elite will have their comforts one way or another. Slaves or technology. The return of the false Gods demands society be up to a certian standard. If they did it too long ago, there'd be no Earth for them to return to. I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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