Smart meters: Avoid implied consent to this surveillance device | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1424951 Netherlands 07/10/2011 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1367950 Austria 07/10/2011 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424951I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. You can easily check how much you use by looking at your analog power meter. The grid is not going to be less wasteful, thats just not ow it works. It`s about surveillance - not about power saving or cleaning up the planet. And you are right - it´s not left wing propaganda. In reality there is no left or right wing. It`s just a facade, a fairy tail, told by TPTB - to polarize opinion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1461482 United States 07/10/2011 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This should be good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1424951 Netherlands 07/10/2011 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424951I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. You can easily check how much you use by looking at your analog power meter. The grid is not going to be less wasteful, thats just not ow it works. It`s about surveillance - not about power saving or cleaning up the planet. And you are right - it´s not left wing propaganda. In reality there is no left or right wing. It`s just a facade, a fairy tail, told by TPTB - to polarize opinion. I don't know, this issue has been posted many times. I even think this ron paul avatar did a few of them. It means it is being pushed as a false environmentalism thing by probably the right. It is pushed as a smart grid, less wasteful thing by the left. So if left and right are the same, what do they actually want concerning these meters? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1460178 United States 07/10/2011 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I have an FCC ID number on my electric smart meter which I have had since around April 2011. NO, my electric bill is half of what it was last summer and I live in Texas so it has helped my budget. I was shocked at how low it is and keep waiting for them to spring me with a "we screwed up and you actually owe us more" letter. |
Blue Skies User ID: 1337548 United States 07/10/2011 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ive had one for about four years...... Do you know why they want to know how much electricity you use at certain times of day. Do you? Doesn't take a rocket scientist. :kitten on fence: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1424951 Netherlands 07/10/2011 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ive had one for about four years...... Do you know why they want to know how much electricity you use at certain times of day. Do you? Doesn't take a rocket scientist. So they know when to activate or deactivate powerplants and windmills? So they know where to create extra lines or powerplants? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1461482 United States 07/10/2011 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ive had one for about four years...... Do you know why they want to know how much electricity you use at certain times of day. Do you? Doesn't take a rocket scientist. No no no... I asked how they know my sexual behaviour, and the other things listed by the OPie... If they want to know how my power I use then fine, I have no problem with that. I want to know how they can tell my personal habits from how much power i use?! What if I fuck in the dark and no power on? What if I ONLY BBQ on the grill? Or what if I turn on all the lights, oven, tv, and whatever else just to fart around and do nothing? Ya... go ahead. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1461861 United States 07/10/2011 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have one on my house and my bill did not go up more than before it was installed. I do however get a letter from AEP that tells me I am using more electricity than my neighbors. Why would they care, I pay my bill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 271871Another one bites the dust. --- They are controlling your focus with that letter. They are focusing your mind on the wrong issue --- What you really should be thinking about are the health issues for your family being blasted with microwave radiation 24/7 out of that thing. YOU ARE THE FROG. THE "SMART METER" IS THE PAN OF WATER. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE, JUMP OUT OF THE PAN.... AND STRAP THAT PAN TO THE METER TO ENCOSE IT IN A MAKE-SHIFT 'FARADAY CAGE' |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1462111 United States 07/10/2011 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone needs to check your electric meter, especially if it has been changed recently. If an FCC number appears on the face, you are under surveillance. The smart meter transmits a constant stream of information to the power provider. This information includes when you are awake, when you sleep and everything you do in between. It informs the provider constantly about all activity in your house. Quoting: Constitutional AmericanAnyone who cares to buy the information transmitted by your meter may do so. The police, insurance companies, actually anyone who comes to think they must have an interest in what you are doing in the privacy of your home. Since these meters are radio devices this amounts to warrantless wiretapping. It is the ultimate surveillance system. While these devices are installed with the false promise of reducing your power bill, the truth will hit you full force when you open the first bill you receive after installation of the smart meter. Your power bill will have doubled, minimally, but more likely, quadrupled. Here is a brief clip from the certified letter that you must send to the power company, certified mail, prohibiting the installation of a smart meter on your home or apartment: 8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants. More than 15 million homes are already under total surveillance. So what can you do to protect yourself from a surveillance free-for-all? You copy and send this letter below, retrieved from minivanjack’s YouTube channel, as certified legal copy of your refusal to allow the meter company implied consent. __________________________________________________________ FROM: Certified U.S. Postal Mail #…. Energy Customer’s Name Street Address City State Zip TO: Energy Provider Street Address City State Zip Date of letter NOTICE OF NO CONSENT TO TRESPASS AND SURVEILLANCE, NOTICE OF LIABILITY Dear (Energy Provider) and all agents, officers, employees, contractors and interested parties, If you intend to install a “Smart Meter” or any activity monitoring device at the above address, you and all other parties are hereby denied consent for installation and use of all such device on the above property and installation and use of any activity monitoring device is hereby refused and prohibited. Informed consent is legally required for installation of any surveillance device and any device that will collect and transmit private and personal data to undisclosed and unauthorized parties for undisclosed and unauthorized purposes. Authorization for sharing of personal and private information may only be given by the originator and subject of that information. That authorization is hereby denied and refused with regard to the above property and all its occupants. “Smart Meters” violate the law and cause endangerment to residents by the following factors: 1. They individually identify electrical devices inside the home and record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy. 2. They monitor household activity and occupancy in violation of rights and domestic security. 3. They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized and unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior and occupancy and they can be used by criminals to aid criminal activity against the occupants. 4. Data about occupant’s daily habits and activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which are accessed by parties not authorized or invited to know and share that private data. 5. Those with access to the smart meter databases can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar and time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive and detailed view of the lives of the occupants. 6. Those databases may be shared with, or fall into the hands of criminals, blackmailers, law enforcement, private hackers of wireless transmissions, power company employees, and other unidentified parties who may act against the interests of the occupants under metered surveillance. 7. “Smart Meters” are, by definition, surveillance devices which violate Federal and State wiretapping laws by recording and storing databases of private and personal activities and behaviors without the consent or knowledge of those people who are monitored. 8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants. 9. Your company has not adequately disclosed the particular recording and transmission capabilities of the smart meter, or the extent of the data that will be recorded, stored and shared, or the purposes to which the data will and will not be put. I forbid, refuse and deny consent of any installation and use of any monitoring, eavesdropping, and surveillance devices on my property, my place of residence and my place of occupancy. That applies to and includes “Smart Meters” and activity monitoring devices of any and all kinds. Any attempt to install any such device directed at me, other inhabitants, guests, my property or residence will constitute trespass, stalking, wiretapping and unlawful surveillance, all prohibited and punishable by law through criminal and civil complaints. All persons, government agencies and private organizations responsible for installing or operating monitoring devices directed at or recording my activities, which I have not specifically authorized in writing, will be fully liable for any violations, intrusions, harm or negative consequences caused or made possible by those devices whether those negative consequences are justified by “law” or not.. Tag Cloud Transmission Repair Auto Insurance Home Businesses Electrical Contractor Cctv Surveillance Systems Installing metal roofing Forex signal trading Medical Insurance This is legal notice. After this delivery the liabilities listed above may not be denied or avoided by parties named and implied in this notice. Notice to principal is notice to agent and notice to agent is notice to principal. All rights reserved. Signature Name of energy user and/or customer Marti Oakley is a political activist and former op-ed columnist for the St Cloud Times in Minnesota. She was a member of the Times Writer’s Group until she resigned in September of 07. She is neither Democrat nor Republican, since neither party is representative of the American people. She says what she thinks, means what she says, and is known for being outspoken. She is hopeful that the American public will wake up to what is happening to our beloved country . . . little of it is left. Videos- [link to www.domasjefferson.com] You were just in time I just received a letter from BGE stating they want to install this crap on my property.... Now I know what to do.. Specially since I want to switch to solar power |
Blue Skies User ID: 1337548 United States 07/10/2011 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ive had one for about four years...... Do you know why they want to know how much electricity you use at certain times of day. Do you? Doesn't take a rocket scientist. So they know when to activate or deactivate powerplants and windmills? So they know where to create extra lines or powerplants? Yep.....pretty much it. What areas use more power at certain times of day, so they can supply enough power to that area. And.....so on. :kitten on fence: |
Blue Skies User ID: 1337548 United States 07/10/2011 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ive had one for about four years...... Do you know why they want to know how much electricity you use at certain times of day. Do you? Doesn't take a rocket scientist. No no no... I asked how they know my sexual behaviour, and the other things listed by the OPie... If they want to know how my power I use then fine, I have no problem with that. I want to know how they can tell my personal habits from how much power i use?! What if I fuck in the dark and no power on? What if I ONLY BBQ on the grill? Or what if I turn on all the lights, oven, tv, and whatever else just to fart around and do nothing? Ya... go ahead. lol they wouldn't and couldn't care less. :kitten on fence: |
htp User ID: 977661 United States 07/10/2011 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The smart meter can recognize every individual piece of electrical equipment in your house and how far it is from the meter. Coupled with computers, the data can be sorted and organized. Alarm clocks, coffee makers, bath fans, computers, cell phones, automatic garage doors, etc. Combining the data would allow the house to be mapped and behavior patterns of occupants to be recognized. Seemingly benign, on the surface, it is a form of surveillance. Once the technology is in place, the possibility for abuse exists. It has been speculated that extremely short power outages, of 1-2 seconds, are key in identifying equipment from their unique signatures when they power back on. One more thing to be paranoid about. Just great. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1442186 United States 07/10/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424951I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. give up your car for a bike so mr rothchild can have a bigger plane dumbass |
anonimalle User ID: 1462500 United States 07/10/2011 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone needs to check your electric meter, especially if it has been changed recently. If an FCC number appears on the face, you are under surveillance. The smart meter transmits a constant stream of information to the power provider. This information includes when you are awake, when you sleep and everything you do in between. It informs the provider constantly about all activity in your house. Quoting: Constitutional AmericanAnyone who cares to buy the information transmitted by your meter may do so. The police, insurance companies, actually anyone who comes to think they must have an interest in what you are doing in the privacy of your home. Since these meters are radio devices this amounts to warrantless wiretapping. It is the ultimate surveillance system. While these devices are installed with the false promise of reducing your power bill, the truth will hit you full force when you open the first bill you receive after installation of the smart meter. Your power bill will have doubled, minimally, but more likely, quadrupled. Here is a brief clip from the certified letter that you must send to the power company, certified mail, prohibiting the installation of a smart meter on your home or apartment: 8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants. More than 15 million homes are already under total surveillance. So what can you do to protect yourself from a surveillance free-for-all? You copy and send this letter below, retrieved from minivanjack’s YouTube channel, as certified legal copy of your refusal to allow the meter company implied consent. __________________________________________________________ FROM: Certified U.S. Postal Mail #…. Energy Customer’s Name Street Address City State Zip TO: Energy Provider Street Address City State Zip Date of letter NOTICE OF NO CONSENT TO TRESPASS AND SURVEILLANCE, NOTICE OF LIABILITY Dear (Energy Provider) and all agents, officers, employees, contractors and interested parties, If you intend to install a “Smart Meter” or any activity monitoring device at the above address, you and all other parties are hereby denied consent for installation and use of all such device on the above property and installation and use of any activity monitoring device is hereby refused and prohibited. Informed consent is legally required for installation of any surveillance device and any device that will collect and transmit private and personal data to undisclosed and unauthorized parties for undisclosed and unauthorized purposes. Authorization for sharing of personal and private information may only be given by the originator and subject of that information. That authorization is hereby denied and refused with regard to the above property and all its occupants. “Smart Meters” violate the law and cause endangerment to residents by the following factors: 1. They individually identify electrical devices inside the home and record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy. 2. They monitor household activity and occupancy in violation of rights and domestic security. 3. They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized and unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior and occupancy and they can be used by criminals to aid criminal activity against the occupants. 4. Data about occupant’s daily habits and activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which are accessed by parties not authorized or invited to know and share that private data. 5. Those with access to the smart meter databases can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar and time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive and detailed view of the lives of the occupants. 6. Those databases may be shared with, or fall into the hands of criminals, blackmailers, law enforcement, private hackers of wireless transmissions, power company employees, and other unidentified parties who may act against the interests of the occupants under metered surveillance. 7. “Smart Meters” are, by definition, surveillance devices which violate Federal and State wiretapping laws by recording and storing databases of private and personal activities and behaviors without the consent or knowledge of those people who are monitored. 8. It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants. 9. Your company has not adequately disclosed the particular recording and transmission capabilities of the smart meter, or the extent of the data that will be recorded, stored and shared, or the purposes to which the data will and will not be put. I forbid, refuse and deny consent of any installation and use of any monitoring, eavesdropping, and surveillance devices on my property, my place of residence and my place of occupancy. That applies to and includes “Smart Meters” and activity monitoring devices of any and all kinds. Any attempt to install any such device directed at me, other inhabitants, guests, my property or residence will constitute trespass, stalking, wiretapping and unlawful surveillance, all prohibited and punishable by law through criminal and civil complaints. All persons, government agencies and private organizations responsible for installing or operating monitoring devices directed at or recording my activities, which I have not specifically authorized in writing, will be fully liable for any violations, intrusions, harm or negative consequences caused or made possible by those devices whether those negative consequences are justified by “law” or not.. Tag Cloud Transmission Repair Auto Insurance Home Businesses Electrical Contractor Cctv Surveillance Systems Installing metal roofing Forex signal trading Medical Insurance This is legal notice. After this delivery the liabilities listed above may not be denied or avoided by parties named and implied in this notice. Notice to principal is notice to agent and notice to agent is notice to principal. All rights reserved. Signature Name of energy user and/or customer Marti Oakley is a political activist and former op-ed columnist for the St Cloud Times in Minnesota. She was a member of the Times Writer’s Group until she resigned in September of 07. She is neither Democrat nor Republican, since neither party is representative of the American people. She says what she thinks, means what she says, and is known for being outspoken. She is hopeful that the American public will wake up to what is happening to our beloved country . . . little of it is left. Videos- [link to www.domasjefferson.com] Sent your link out to all my email contacts. Thanks op Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1469209 United States 07/15/2011 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424951I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. That is why your country is less free then mine. And mine is not that free anymore. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379065 United States 07/15/2011 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like a smarter and less wasteful grid. I like to know how much I use. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1424951I don't like people who have been told environmentalism is left wing propaganda and there is no problem, and who believe it and hamper every move to clean up our planet. i don't think we would get along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1469209 United States 07/15/2011 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such bullshit. I've had a smart meter for about 4 months now and my power bill hasn't gone up any at all. As for them knowing when i jack off and if my shit stank that morning, care to explain how they would know this from a meter on the outside of the house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461482This should be good. Ranked from High likelyhood to low It is probably possible to tell what appliance is running by its current draw and the type of noise it adds to signal. It is of course possible see what is on a CRT screen by the EMP from the electron gun. LED and plasma screens don't have this problem. If the smart meter is listening for wireless networks it is possible to tap in. |
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