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I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...

 
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Hear me out.

I see the unsustainable financial path the USA is on. Addicted to debt, no one can stop it, everyone blind and watching 10,000 channels of cable, eating microwave junk, getting obese.

I have moved to another nation to keep me from the blast radius that will soon be the USA.

I have done my share of prep, bought PM's, once had a few cans of gasoline in the house, food, etc.

Then I realized something.

That is this:

If you have enough common sense to think about prepping, then you are already prepared. No amount of prep will matter or ever be used because you will see the signs and leave.

There will always be civilization for you to go to. Drive, hitch a ride, whatever solution. Check into a hotel, and wait it out.

So, some questions:
-Who has ever used their BOB and when and where?
-List the situations that have occurred in the past 100 years where prep, BOB, bugout location plans would have been useful.

I post this because I firmly believe that all of you are wasting your time, that all you need is the mental process of actually thinking about what to do, then looking for early signs, and getting out until the smoke clears.
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Re: I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...
So, some questions:
-Who has ever used their BOB and when and where?
-List the situations that have occurred in the past 100 years where prep, BOB, bugout location plans would have been useful.
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Thats because this is the first time in history that we have ever had full access to necessary resources needed in order to make proper BOB's, and the very real possibility that we may actually have to use them.
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Trying to get us ready for you and your buddies to invade?

And also you can take all your cheap ass lead painted toys back from MC D's and cram them up your ass.. Stop eating cats and dogs while you are at it
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Unlike you, our BOB's contain more than just rice, sake and a little cold rat meat chuckle
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Thats because this is the first time in history that we have ever had full access to necessary resources needed in order to make proper BOB's, and the very real possibility that we may actually have to use them.
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Why would you need to use them and when?

Please be specific and cite a specific incident and case.
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Unlike you, our BOB's contain more than just rice, sake and a little cold rat meat chuckle
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Be reasonable and serious.

Why do you need a BOB, when and for what precise and exact event?

Cite them.
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Trying to get us ready for you and your buddies to invade?

And also you can take all your cheap ass lead painted toys back from MC D's and cram them up your ass.. Stop eating cats and dogs while you are at it.
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I am an American, Christian, White, who moved from the USA to China to escape the disaster that is America.

So your post really doesn't make any sense in light of that.
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Re: I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...
First for the first time in history the whole world is included or society is now set up under one umbrella of a major fall

Second this is the first time through history that we lack farmers and farm lands..knowledge may have increased but it has only increased in electronics and gambling with printed dollars(worldwide)stocks markets and commonities

People have become dependant on a system of supply and demand they have been raised to expect it to be there for them..and when the lead ball falls and the trucks no longer roll down the highway they will not know what to do...most don't even know how to plant a seed to grow their own food or how to kill skin and preserve any types of meats...

I have to admit it will be kinda fun to sit back and watch those fancy smancy hottie totties run around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off, while I will enjoying the fruits of my labour..I am eductaing myself on self oreservation for me and my family...
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Hear me out.

I see the unsustainable financial path the USA is on. Addicted to debt, no one can stop it, everyone blind and watching 10,000 channels of cable, eating microwave junk, getting obese.

I have moved to another nation to keep me from the blast radius that will soon be the USA.

I have done my share of prep, bought PM's, once had a few cans of gasoline in the house, food, etc.

Then I realized something.

That is this:

If you have enough common sense to think about prepping, then you are already prepared. No amount of prep will matter or ever be used because you will see the signs and leave.

There will always be civilization for you to go to. Drive, hitch a ride, whatever solution. Check into a hotel, and wait it out.

So, some questions:
-Who has ever used their BOB and when and where?
-List the situations that have occurred in the past 100 years where prep, BOB, bugout location plans would have been useful.

I post this because I firmly believe that all of you are wasting your time, that all you need is the mental process of actually thinking about what to do, then looking for early signs, and getting out until the smoke clears.
 Quoting: Anonymous Seeker 1477763


used when we bugged out from lowlands to mountains after tsunami sirens on hawaii (march 11th) was glad I traveled with water bottles and glad to have blowup bed ready to pop in the car.
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Re: I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...
First for the first time in history the whole world is included or society is now set up under one umbrella of a major fall

Second this is the first time through history that we lack farmers and farm lands..knowledge may have increased but it has only increased in electronics and gambling with printed dollars(worldwide)stocks markets and commonities

People have become dependant on a system of supply and demand they have been raised to expect it to be there for them..and when the lead ball falls and the trucks no longer roll down the highway they will not know what to do...most don't even know how to plant a seed to grow their own food or how to kill skin and preserve any types of meats...

I have to admit it will be kinda fun to sit back and watch those fancy smancy hottie totties run around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off, while I will enjoying the fruits of my labour..I am eductaing myself on self oreservation for me and my family...
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You still are not answering my question.

Describe in exact and precise detail when, where and how a situation would arise that you would need a BOB, bug out and prep.

Be specific.

Let me start.

==========================

Katrina, USA, 2005
I was traveling, in an airport, saw the news. 175mph winds. Headed straight to NO. I turn to the guy to my left and ask 'Is that a typo? 175mph?'...

He shakes his head. Nope, it's real.

Ok. So let's say I live in NO then.

1) I have a car, money, wallet and credit cards. I grab my wallet and keys and just leave. Drive 300 miles north and get the hell out. Call friends or relatives and crash with them, get a motel room, or sleep in my car.

Civilization is still there. I don't even need a BOB because I can buy everything I need.

2) I don't have a car, but do have money and a wallet. I grab a bus, taxi or transit and get the hell out, rent a hotel room or crash with friends anywhere else until it blows over.

Civilization is still there. I don't even need a BOB because I can buy everything I need.

3) I am dirt poor and stupid. Then it won't matter because I lack the means and/or mental ability to prep. I could start walking, but as we saw that was too much to expect for people to do.

Civilization is still there. I need a BOB but I am too stupid to even walk out. So having one won't matter to me, and if I thought of getting one then I am groups 1 or 2 and I have left.

==============

This is my reasoning, applies to all situations.

Basically by prepping or thinking about prepping, you then never need to use it. There is never a 'just in case' because if things get bad you leave, and if things get 'The Road' bad then no amount of prep will matter.
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A bug out bag is just a term they started to use a few years ago.
Really just means having a few extra items you can carry in case you get stuck somewhere away from home or have to leave your home in an hurry, in case of a natural disaster, like hurricane, flooding and so on.
I have always had a bag in my car, ever since I started driving. One for winter and one for the rest of the year. Just in case I get stuck in a snow storm or broken down, or have to stay somewhere over night, unexpectedly. And yes I have had to use it.

Preps are just extra supplies that are needed for people that live in an area where you can't get to the store if their is bad weather.
Yes, their have been times I was glad we had extra food in the house. This extra stuff comes in handy at least a couple times of year.
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Used when we bugged out from lowlands to mountains after tsunami sirens on hawaii (march 11th) was glad I traveled with water bottles and glad to have blowup bed ready to pop in the car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1302423


Conveniences. Not necessary for survival. All you need is to climb up 200 feet, and wait a few hours or days.

Was civilization still there? Could you walk into a store and buy water? Rent a hotel room? Sleep in the car?

Yes to all.

Would you have died without water for a day? No.
Would you have died without a blowup bed? No.

BOB not needed. Civilization was still there, money, cash, wallets, ATM's, banks, food, grocers, gasoline, autos, roads, motels - all functioning and operational.

Prep not needed, BOB not needed, bug out locale not needed.

Any situation where you had to leave for a short while would not be bad, thus not needed; or be so bad that having one would not matter.
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OP.....


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A bug out bag is just a term they started to use a few years ago.

Really just means having a few extra items you can carry in case you get stuck somewhere away from home or have to leave your home in an hurry, in case of a natural disaster, like hurricane, flooding and so on.

I have always had a bag in my car, ever since I started driving. One for winter and one for the rest of the year. Just in case I get stuck in a snow storm or broken down, or have to stay somewhere over night, unexpectedly. And yes I have had to use it.
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Why would you need a BOB for a flood or hurricane? Can't you watch the news or the sky and see that the river is rising? Why would you stay? Why wouldn't you be gone early?

Just in case I get stuck in a snow storm.
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Why would you get caught in one? If you are so reckless that you cannot observe reality and assess that the roads are bad and that you should stay where you are, then a BOB won't matter.

Again, having one means never having to use it.

I get stuck in a snow storm or broken down,
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Unless you are camping at altitude, in which case you brought all your housing, drinking and eating supplies with you, why would breaking down be life threatening?

Heard of Cell Phones? Satellite Phones?

Even in Death Valley or Whitney Portal, a tow truck is 2 hours away by cell phone, if not 40 minutes.

Again, having one means never having to use it.

Civilization is still there.
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OP.....


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By prepping, you have eliminated yourself from ever needing to prepare.

If you are so stupid that you would need a BOB, then you wouldn't have a BOB, and if you have a BOB then you would be smart enough to identify trouble long before you need a BOB and then you would leave.

In either case, a BOB is unnecessary.
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So, some questions:
-Who has ever used their BOB and when and where?
-List the situations that have occurred in the past 100 years where prep, BOB, bugout location plans would have been useful.

 Quoting: Anonymous Seeker 1477763


You're thinking is too limited. BOBs are more for things that you can't predict. Natural disasters for one. You can't predict them. Things turning into a police state over night (or very quickly) can be hard to predict.
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OP.....


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By prepping, you have eliminated yourself from ever needing to prepare.

If you are so stupid that you would need a BOB, then you wouldn't have a BOB, and if you have a BOB then you would be smart enough to identify trouble long before you need a BOB and then you would leave.

In either case, a BOB is unnecessary.
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Are you really that dense? Let's say that you've already prepped yourself more than anyone in the history of the world has prepped. You're already at your bug out location. You have enough food, water, medicine, etc., to last your family 1000 lifetimes. You STILL need a BOB because something UNEXPECTED can happen right next door.
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OP.....


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I agree....done with this dumbass OP.
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Used when we bugged out from lowlands to mountains after tsunami sirens on hawaii (march 11th) was glad I traveled with water bottles and glad to have blowup bed ready to pop in the car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1302423


Conveniences. Not necessary for survival. All you need is to climb up 200 feet, and wait a few hours or days.

Was civilization still there? Could you walk into a store and buy water? Rent a hotel room? Sleep in the car?

Yes to all.

Would you have died without water for a day? No.
Would you have died without a blowup bed? No.

BOB not needed. Civilization was still there, money, cash, wallets, ATM's, banks, food, grocers, gasoline, autos, roads, motels - all functioning and operational.

Prep not needed, BOB not needed, bug out locale not needed.

Any situation where you had to leave for a short while would not be bad, thus not needed; or be so bad that having one would not matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Seeker 1477763


hindsight is 20/20 there op. its easy to say after a tsunami did not hit !! i'm really glad your so smart !! couse your one less troll/shill i'll have to run across here in the USA.

lets play a game called karma ..........

by this post you talk Bob out of having a bob. Bob would have thrown his bob into the car before going on his ski trip. Bobs car slid of the road and Bob was stuck inside. if he had his bob , Bob would have survived.

conclution : your responsible for Bobs death. No no ,, no criminal trial... but worse the bad karma is on ya like stink on shit.

so stop playing hindsight .
you never know whats in front of you , so preparing a bob is just good common sence.
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Trying to get us ready for you and your buddies to invade?

And also you can take all your cheap ass lead painted toys back from MC D's and cram them up your ass.. Stop eating cats and dogs while you are at it.
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I am an American, Christian, White, who moved from the USA to China to escape the disaster that is America.

So your post really doesn't make any sense in light of that.
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No. You are just a dipshit with a proxy server.
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You believe when the Global SHTF, those with "commmon sense" can "check into a hotel" (using our credit cards?) and "wait it out?" Which hotel is this, the Hotel California?
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First for the first time in history the whole world is included or society is now set up under one umbrella of a major fall

Second this is the first time through history that we lack farmers and farm lands..knowledge may have increased but it has only increased in electronics and gambling with printed dollars(worldwide)stocks markets and commonities

People have become dependant on a system of supply and demand they have been raised to expect it to be there for them..and when the lead ball falls and the trucks no longer roll down the highway they will not know what to do...most don't even know how to plant a seed to grow their own food or how to kill skin and preserve any types of meats...

I have to admit it will be kinda fun to sit back and watch those fancy smancy hottie totties run around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off, while I will enjoying the fruits of my labour..I am eductaing myself on self oreservation for me and my family...
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You still are not answering my question.

Describe in exact and precise detail when, where and how a situation would arise that you would need a BOB, bug out and prep.

Be specific.

Let me start.

==========================

Katrina, USA, 2005
I was traveling, in an airport, saw the news. 175mph winds. Headed straight to NO. I turn to the guy to my left and ask 'Is that a typo? 175mph?'...

He shakes his head. Nope, it's real.

Ok. So let's say I live in NO then.

1) I have a car, money, wallet and credit cards. I grab my wallet and keys and just leave. Drive 300 miles north and get the hell out. Call friends or relatives and crash with them, get a motel room, or sleep in my car.

Civilization is still there. I don't even need a BOB because I can buy everything I need.

2) I don't have a car, but do have money and a wallet. I grab a bus, taxi or transit and get the hell out, rent a hotel room or crash with friends anywhere else until it blows over.

Civilization is still there. I don't even need a BOB because I can buy everything I need.

3) I am dirt poor and stupid. Then it won't matter because I lack the means and/or mental ability to prep. I could start walking, but as we saw that was too much to expect for people to do.

Civilization is still there. I need a BOB but I am too stupid to even walk out. So having one won't matter to me, and if I thought of getting one then I am groups 1 or 2 and I have left.

==============

This is my reasoning, applies to all situations.

Basically by prepping or thinking about prepping, you then never need to use it. There is never a 'just in case' because if things get bad you leave, and if things get 'The Road' bad then no amount of prep will matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Seeker 1477763


Civilization will be around almost any place you retreat to. However, will your DOLLAR always be a negotiation tool to BUY what you need in a BUG OUT situation? Let's say we reach a period of Hyperinflation, energy cost skyrocket, water filtration plants shut down as a result. Where you getting your water from?

My BOB is well equipped to deal with just about every natural disaster you could think of. Water filters and drops included ;) Trust me you don't want to drink stale unfiltered water, not good for the stomach, lol.
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What a dumb thread.

When would a BOB be useful?

- Japan tsunami
- Earthquakes (who can predict them to leave? No one)
- Riots
- Disease outbreak
- Civil war/inside violence (try leaving when they say no one leaves)
- Local or regional chemical spill
- Mid to long term power outage (happens all the time)

Having a BOB is not for end of the world type situations as nothing is going to help that. A BOB is simply a collection of items you can use in case your day to day life is suddenly disrupted and usual resources are unavailable. Something as simple as a large storm rolling through knocking out power for a few hundred miles could be a time when BOB items are needed, as you may not be able to get enough gas to drive far enough away. it's a mindset of not being stranded with nothing, might as well be prepared for generic issues you could face at any time.

You cite New Orleans. Imagine being a doctor caring for people at a hospital and you chose to stay, knowing nothing like that has ever happened before. A BOB would be a great item to have had in this case. Not everyone can always leave for various reasons, but everyone can do whatever they can to be prepared.
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I don't have any kind of prep.. nor would I have any idea where to "bug out" to.. and even if I did me and my kid would have little chance of surviving on our own.


Maybe I'm naive but deep down I feel that.. "you get what you're anticipating" kind of feeling.
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used one multiple times for breakdowns in isolated locations
nothing dramatic just stuck overnight and it was great to at least have a little food and water

and i used to travel the 5 freeway in LA and only just missed a major accident which would have stranded me or caused injury and a BOB would have been needed for either.

being mentally prepared is fine and great but its only logical to make physical preps also for what you cannot
forsee.
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Trying to get us ready for you and your buddies to invade?

And also you can take all your cheap ass lead painted toys back from MC D's and cram them up your ass.. Stop eating cats and dogs while you are at it.
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I am an American, Christian, White, who moved from the USA to China to escape the disaster that is America.

So your post really doesn't make any sense in light of that.
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^^THIS

Thanks OP

We also see it coming but I am going to stick it out. We have friends...
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I don't have any kind of prep.. nor would I have any idea where to "bug out" to.. and even if I did me and my kid would have little chance of surviving on our own.


Maybe I'm naive but deep down I feel that.. "you get what you're anticipating" kind of feeling.
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you know thats pretty sad and defeatist least you could do is get some old soda bottles and fill them with water.
and put aside an extra blanket for an emergency.

throw it in one of your kids old school packs this doesnt need to cost you a lot of money

gawd how hard is that
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Civilization was there, this time. It may not be the next time.
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I don't have any kind of prep.. nor would I have any idea where to "bug out" to.. and even if I did me and my kid would have little chance of surviving on our own.


Maybe I'm naive but deep down I feel that.. "you get what you're anticipating" kind of feeling.
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just imagine your kid crying that they are hungry and thirsty and due to your lack of effort you can do nothing to
help him/her
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A bug out bag is just a term they started to use a few years ago.

Really just means having a few extra items you can carry in case you get stuck somewhere away from home or have to leave your home in an hurry, in case of a natural disaster, like hurricane, flooding and so on.

I have always had a bag in my car, ever since I started driving. One for winter and one for the rest of the year. Just in case I get stuck in a snow storm or broken down, or have to stay somewhere over night, unexpectedly. And yes I have had to use it.
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Why would you need a BOB for a flood or hurricane? Can't you watch the news or the sky and see that the river is rising? Why would you stay? Why wouldn't you be gone early?

Just in case I get stuck in a snow storm.
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Why would you get caught in one? If you are so reckless that you cannot observe reality and assess that the roads are bad and that you should stay where you are, then a BOB won't matter.

Again, having one means never having to use it.

I get stuck in a snow storm or broken down,
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Unless you are camping at altitude, in which case you brought all your housing, drinking and eating supplies with you, why would breaking down be life threatening?

Heard of Cell Phones? Satellite Phones?

Even in Death Valley or Whitney Portal, a tow truck is 2 hours away by cell phone, if not 40 minutes.

Again, having one means never having to use it.

Civilization is still there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Seeker 1477763


Snow storms can and do appear without warning and you can get stuck in your car overnight on a highway or in the middle of a city in gridlock traffic in three feet of snow, that fell in a few hours. I live by a large lake, we get lake affect snow. Lake effect snow an dump large amount of snow in a short time in a small area. You would be surprised.

Ever broken down or had an accident in a small town? You have to hole up in a motel for a few days till they fix your car. Definitely need a change of clothes, extra cash. Hopefully their is a restaurant close by.
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Re: I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...
OP, this is like telling a woman she does not need her purse.

You clazy, mahn!





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