I Do Not Believe That BOB, Preps or Such Will Ever Be Needed, Ever...

I live my life by three very basic philosophies:

1.) Expected the worst and hope for the best.

2.) It is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it; and

3.) Proper planning prevents piss-poor performance. (Known as the 5 P's)

It's a perfectly natural psychological response to deny the worst case scenario exists. "If it's never happened to me before it never will." i.e. flood, tornado, earthquake, etc.

It's a self defense mechanism.

Think about all those people who climbed into their cars today, plugged in the ipod, sipped their coffee, and were killed in a traffic accident.

Do you think they considered the possibility of being killed in a traffic accident?

Probably not.

But the ones who did give it a thought most likely drove safely to their destination because they were prepared. Maybe they drove a little slower or more cautiously.

The whole point is if you are prepared for the worst you'll be much more likely to survive.

Here are some Urban Survival Tips I put together on my web page... and when and if the time comes, I hope some of these tips are helpful to you.

[link to survivalsupplyindustries.com]

I mostly agree with you OP. Stuff is no substitute for thinking and reasoning skills. I even suspect that God is fully able to help a man when though is not aware of it.

But when a man is cold and without he may think to himself; "Oh, what I would give for a knife and a bic lighter..."

And of course, not everyone is this guy... and there are no take 2's in the real world... hehe..



peace,

I agree with OP on one small point he didn't really make.

Having a bob might make a peoson overconfident and lax in his reactions to an event. He might take risks he would not take without a bob. Another small point, how many people are really proficient in using their preps (tools)?

It is the same scenario as football head injury stats. They increased AFTER hard helmets came into use. They were fewer with no helmet or leather helmet.

A bob is not meant to sustain anyone for a period of time longer than 2-4 days.

They are meant to get you from point A to point B, thus the term "Bug-out Bag".

If you're serious about survival, MAKE A PLAN.

Then the rest will follow.

!?

My B.O.B. will last myself and my girlfriend up to a month if needed.

Never go small - go big.


You think we've seen it all?

You, sir... are most prepared.

And no... it's just beginning.

Most prepared because I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I have seeds also - you can't go wrong with being prepared.

Like another poster said - why carry a spare tire?

It makes sense to be prepared - and with such great technology we have, most tools are tiny!

1-2 months supply for two people fits inside an army bag!

Sure, the food will taste like shit - but I will be alive!

click on my little link and see what i do....

I got everything in your link but the generator.

No need for electricity - just a handwind flashlight and radio.

Oh, and some walkie talkies.

That's the way to do it...

And if you go about it thoughtfully, you don't have to spend a ton of money either.

It's just using logic.

True. But, it is a good idea to have basic supplies packed and ready to go at a moment's notice so that you can grab it and hit the road instead of wasting a few hours packing or running out to try to buy things. Those precious few hours can mean you getting out of town before gridlock sets in and gives you first choice of a place to go (hotels, etc.) I know when Katrina hit, hotels were full all over LA, MS, AL and even up to TN and KY. I know there was a church near the TN/KY line that opened up to house people because all the hotels in the area were full. We were cooking food at home and taking it up there because they had so many people that they couldn't all be fed through the church's kitchen. So, the church cooked the meat and everybody else brought vegetables, desserts, and casseroles. I took a bunch of clothes up to them because a lot of people left town thinking they'd drive a few hours north, wait out the storm, and go home in the next day or two, so they didn't pack much. Some of those people never went home and ended up establishing a home in the area.

On a return trip to Ohio from Florida I was almost unable to find a motel room in N Carolina or Tennessee. There was some sort of convention of Christians going on in the entire area. A revival I guess.

Sleeping in the car wouldn't have been the end of the world, and I did have vacation supplies, but it goes to show that 'emergencies' can spring up anytime,anywhere

LOL! Reminds me of my niece who couldn't get into the car because the battery in the clicker was dead. She had no clue you could actually unlock the car with the damn key. Also, a coworker's wife went down into the garage once to get a flashlight because the power went out. She accidentally locked the door to the house behind her and couldn't get back inside. She sat in the garage until her husband got home. They had a spare key hidden outside, but she had no idea she could take the garage door off of the track and get out. BOBs won't help people like that.

Pleasantly and expecedly, an anti prep thread is turning pro prep.


Kewl

First off, you are a dumbass OP.

I speak from experience that Preps can and will save your ass.

The problem is people in this country have never (in the last 80 or so years), ever experienced true hardship.

Those of us who are prepping know that what's coming is going to be beyond Govt help. There are so many Govt programs that no one can imagine the Govt not coming to their aid.

Well it's coming and you'd better be prepared. (Not you OP, you've already bailed on your country.)

Most people see what's going on.

You're either:
a.) a child
b.) a fool
c.) a troll; or
d.) an Obamaphile

if you don't.

Be smart... be prepared... and pay no mind to the shills.

I figure if OP doesn't want to be prepared, then so be it. But, anybody that has children or other people dependent on them needs to be prepared for anything at any time. Just as you wouldn't take a baby out for a few hours without a diaper bag, you don't need to take a child into the woods or drive 3 states away without being prepared. Even staying at home calls for preparedness should you lose utilities. I never grill out, but I have a grill and charcoal. We never go camping, but I have a tent. We live near the New Madrid, so most of my readiness plans have been around the possibility of being stuck in the area with a house that has collapsed and having to rough it on the property - this all assuming we're at home when it happens. As long as my back yard storage shed doesn't collapse, we are good for awhile as far as shelter goes. OP can say "leave town," but if bridges are out, that's not always possible. Most people don't realize how many bridges they drive over in a day. I figure my little storage shed will ride the earthquake wave better than the house, so it's there as a backup. And, if that fails, there's the tent. And, if that fails, there is the van. It's parked far enough away from anything that it won't be crushed.

That's the thing... most of the people who put down preparedness are kids... they don't have a clue.

My goal is to open as many eyes as I can... because frankly, if they come to my place looking for food or water... I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH.

It's like the ant and the grasshopper....

That is one of OP's points. Being prepped makes you a taget to thise who are not prepped. But if more paople are ready, fewer in need, less stress, less targeting, more comfortable folks

exactly.

if the SHTF, we can all make it easier for ourselves and for others.

example: pretty much all of my neighborhood shares a similar philosophy... and we will all look out for one another.

community is going to be VERY VERY important.

Interesting. I also believe in being mobile. I do have a bob though...

So what you are saying is that you have already bugged out, but we are silly dumb asses for preparing?

You are a low-life pussy. Instead of trying to change or fix America, you went to live with our enemy. What a dick.

I somewhat agree OP.I think our food supply is on the way down the shitter.All the food and bug out supplies would only make you a target and if you make it then it only delays your fate anyway.
I would have a hard time with myself being full and well fed while I watched others starve.At some point it will all run out for everyone so not much use trying to plan a way out.There is no out only a delay maybe if one prepares for long term.As for myself I keep enough on hand such as for emergencys or storms and thats about it.As the old saying goes we cant take it with us.Found out a long time ago that even with best laid out plans you will always get socked from a direction you didnt even consider.

OP...do u think china fired that missile off of our west coast awhile back?

I see the maturity level here is very high.

"I speak from experience that Preps can and will save your ass."

Ok. SO WHEN WHERE AND HOW and why didn't you see it coming in advance so that preps were not needed?

So far all I have seen is that all usage of preps was unneeded and that things became so bad - Katrina - that prep was pointless because you ending up not bugging out but moving your entire life.

Thus the situation was so bad that your BOB was useless.

A few bottles of water aren't going to help you when you have to permanently abandon your home.

I don't expect maturity, civility or intelligence from this group.

So your post is rather expected.

Where when and how? What situation could you be unable to foresee where not having a bottle of water would make the difference between life and death?

Here is my point.

NO - NOT 'could'. This is, yet again, another hypothetical. But you cannot cite WHEN.

You all assume there is a situation where one would die because you didn't have your own water. But you cannot think of one, nor can you cite one.

Ok, I say.

Cite an example from history. Cite a potential scenario and I will show you why your reasoning is flawed. Show me when this happened or when it could.

If you are not smart enough to identify trouble long before it becomes an issue, then no amount of prep will save you.


More examples:

LA Riots 1991
Let's say I lived in L.A.

I see the news cast and the pissed off blacks.

You know, maybe it's time to leave for a few days. So I leave. Come back in a week after it settles down.


World War 2
Signs first showed up in 1933 and were constant until 1938. So maybe it's time to move to Chile? Yep.


The USSA, 2011
The country is addicted to debt at all levels and cannot lead itself. Time to move to a nation that saves money and builds things, rather than live somewhere everyone is addicted to credit cards, has a negative net worth, and no one makes anything anymore.

Anyone with any brains could see, in 2005, that the housing prices were a bubble poised to collapse. Anyone could see, in 2008, that things were going to fall apart.

So leave. You can still get out now while you still have freedom to do so and the economy isn't in another Depression. You all can see it, you see the signs, it's so obvious. So get the hell out. You wanna weather the collapse of a nation with 300 million privately owned guns and 80M urban population?

Good luck with the carnage.


A Comet Hits the Earth
Prep is pointless. Any large comet would cause massive, 11 - 14+ Richter scale earthquakes on the opposite side of the globe from impact. All plant life would die in a few years, and you a few after that.

Unless you wanna do a re-creation of 'The Road'.


Flat tire on a mountain road, 2011
See your mobile phone? Pick it up. Use it.


MidWest Floods, 2011
How many months in advance did we know? Heavy snowpack, forecasts for weeks. Why, on earth, would you still be there when the river ended up in your front lawn?


I am still waiting for an instance of FerFal using his outstanding preps.
10 years, and not once has he used them. If he doesn't, then no one does.


So far you guys have been good at insults and juvenile put-downs, but not one of you has cited a case that I could not point out why you should have left earlier, removing the need for prep.

So far, you haven't proven the need for prep, bug outs or BOB's at all.

Thanks for the link Kennible. I'm too tired to research it now but the first aid kit is just what I have been looking for to finish off some preps.

All summer long the ant slaved away and stored up food, while the grasshopper watched t.v. and mooched off his girlfriend. Then, when winter came the ant died cold and alone and the grashopper ate all his food, and he got a race car.

You are most welcome, sir.

My goal is to educate those who want to be educated and help those who want help... screw the rest.

They will have no place in our new society.