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Dr Dan Burisch Information

 
Publius
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10/18/2005 04:45 PM
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More foolish than even you can accept Boomerang to accept as a truth all claims about EBE´s.
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10/18/2005 05:07 PM
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Publius,

>>>More foolish than even you can accept Boomerang to accept as a truth all claims about EBE´s.<<<

I don´t understand that statement. Anyway, all i´m saying is.....there´s no point in arguing about Redfern.
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10/18/2005 07:33 PM
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Boomerang, how do you arrive at your conclusion that Redfern-who did his job as a journalist-is so absolutely wrong that it simply is not worthwhile to consider that Roswell is a lie and that MJ-12 was also?

For instance, you accept the existence of spaceships on this world with live aliens working with human governments and dead aliens being dissected. You accept this ON FAITH. You have no better claim to knowledge than I or anyone. My assumption is that Nick Cook on Nazi Technics and Nick Redfern on Rosell have nailed the coffin shut on this National Security State fraud. Why? Their research is more professional and less prone to great leaps of faith. In other words, it is more plausible than not. Much more plausible than Dan Burisch singing like a Canary.

Dan Burisch requires a considerable amount of faith based reasoning. Each and every claim he makes is extraordinary.
Redfern and Cook do not require great leaps of faith.

The issue is really that you are stuck in a loop with the Burisch material and like a fundamentalist thinker you resort to faith to support your personal opinion.
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10/18/2005 08:10 PM
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Publius,

you believe what you want to believe and I will do the same.

I´m basing my beliefs on evidence that is still accumulating. You´re basing your beliefs on a book that you haven´t read.

Like I keep telling you.......arguing about Redfern, Cook or any other writer is a waste of time.
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10/18/2005 09:36 PM
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Hi Publius, thanks for posting that info....

I did attend a Stanton Friedman lecture about 10 years ago where he gave a fairly convincing argument for Roswell. This was even before the AA film came out. I tend to look at Roswell in light of the mindset that existed in 1947...things were much simpler then, even in the realm of military disinfo...was it a cunningly concieved plan to decieve the enemy, or a clumsy coverup where they filled the blanks in later?

There´s also a lot of aspects which I don´t think Redfern addresses, like the disappearence of a whole month´s worth of archived ´Roswell Daily´s" from the Library of Congress.

Even if Roswell does turn out to be a hoax, I don´t think it can be used as a lynchpin for the wholesale disbelief in ET´s. This ignores the whole gamut of ET & UFO evidence throughout history, even though much of it stems from ´non-official sources. I´m tending more and more to believe all the ´average Joe´ reports & anecdotes rather than any ´official´ or military data regarding this phenomena. Look to where there´s no possible agenda from the person involved and it will be more likely to be true.

I´ve got a lot more thoughts regarding the AA & Vallee stuff, too e.g. do Progeria sufferers have no genitals and totally unrecognisable internal organs? For me there´s a lot of holes in Redfern´s data...and issues just not addressed at all.

Anyway, more later...

Cheers
I´ve
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10/18/2005 09:38 PM
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That was me...why always logging me out...my name was at the top....harrummph!!
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10/18/2005 10:24 PM
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Publius,

If these saucers are Nazi-tech derived US built, what were they doing flying over Woronora River, Sydney in 1977?

For what possible purpose would they be there?

I also recently realised that with their apparent trajectory, they would´ve flown directly over Australia´s only nuclear reactor, at Lucas Heights.

These things always seem to be hanging around near nuclear facilities or volcanic/quartz areas. What´s the attraction here?

And no, I wasn´t hallucinating...I saw two, solid metal craft that night...
one of the reasons this field of enquiry is so polarised..
No amount of words can convince people they didn´t see something...when they did...


Peace




Peace
Publius
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10/19/2005 12:42 AM
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Boomerang, your arguments from faith based evidence are absurd. Perhaps you secretly think you are Tertullian? The bottom line with Dan Burisch is that he makes some rather incredible claims which are then used to make equally incredible assertions of fact.

In the first place, we are asked to accept time travel EBE´s from our future. In the second place we are also asked to accept that not only are these progeny visiting here but numerous other beings are as well-over 100 in fact.

However, there appears to be no interaction between them-aside from the putative humans from the future. On the other hand, evidently the U.S. government and other states are working with these entities. No keep out signs are posted so evidently this world is up for grabs. Then we are asked to accept the entire constructed biography of Dan, to include abduction, genetic exchange, pre-planning for his mission as a Savior.

God it just goes on, but basically we have this metaphysical stew of things relating to Dan Burisch. So my question back at ya Boomerang, is how do you know what you know? Your evidence is thin gruel, thinner than Redfern´s interviews and thinner than Cook´s thesis. What is it that makes Dan´s story more compelling than the two Nick´s? That the mythology is more Romantic is in the end what I think you buy into.

Your evidence is mainly Dan said it, I accept it, that settles it.

It requires much more for us to say that all UFO´s are now settled by J-Rod, Space Brothers and Rouges visting in time--and those other pesky critters from the stars that fly UFO´s. Many more questions open up: such as infinite regress; the ability of one Dan Burisch to single handedly stop abductions; and why that darn angelic being speaks Hebrew and no seems to care that it isn´t the language of Akkad. Nor do those responsible appear to even care that suddenly the Abrahamic faiths---and they alone--are now being validated by this Angelic presence.

We do know that the National Security State exists on lies. We do know it has manipulated the UFO community from Day 1.
Why is Dan different? Is it because Bil Hamilton, noted UFO author said so? The same guy who thought that under Mt. Shasta lived a princess...good lord, this tripe can´t sell even in the States.
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Ganesh, I can only say that your nation is basically a vassal of the United States. Twice over actually since you are also, like we are, vassals of the Crown. Pine Gap is a big old US base.
The US overthrew a government in OZ, was it Howard? Hell youse are now gearing up to be gendarme for the Pacific.

As for UFO´s--some are human, some are simply UFO. What does that mean? You have me. I doubt they are spaceships.
Spaceships belong in space. Large craft, probably miles long, or huge moon ships are probably used for travel between Solar Systems--unless they jump--but then who knows.

I doubt atomic energy is of much interest to advanced civilizations.

Are they living organisms? From alternate universes? I dunno.
I do know that it is rather odd to assume we can explain them all, all the time.

Yes it is curious and yes they havebee n around for a long time as paintings attest to.
Ganesh2005
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10/19/2005 03:53 AM
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Hi Publius,

Spot on there...good to see an American with a bit of DownUnder knowledge...rather than "Where´s that?....Austria?"....no offense, but a lot of Americans are fairly ethnocentric.

The Whitlam government was dismissed by our (Queen´s representative)Governor-General in 1975. (on spurious grounds) The fact that Whitlam was planning on terminating the leases on the US bases led many to smell a rat



I just wanted to qualify my statement about not believing that J-rod´s are our future progeny.

Now, I´m not sure of the physical characteristics of Burisch´s J-rod...and I know there´s suppose to be several varieties of Grays

Did he have a willy?....a front-bum?...or perhaps pubes (no pun intended)
I just can´t see how, even after 45K years, we could lose all vestiges of our ´bits´. It´s not really that long, in evolutionary terms.

In the abduction literature there seems to be a lot of hot & steamy grappling going on, yet in many reports they say there´s nothing ´down there´

Which of these races are the ´dickless wonders´?

Questions, questions, questions....flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today


Peace
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10/19/2005 06:12 AM
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Publius,

Are you blind?

Are you able to show that all the evidence so far presented is false?
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10/19/2005 06:49 AM
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Boomerang logic:

>>>>Too hard. I cant debate you Publius. Lets talk about Nightshade instead.<<<<

Evidenced by the ´go away´ post and the one line replys to well thought out arguments. Good try Publius but it was never going to be a fair debate.
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10/19/2005 06:56 AM
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What is there to debate?

Publius believes that deformed Japanese fell in 1947. I don´t know what occurred, and have said so. The current evidence that supports the claims of Dan Burisch has not been shown to be false, therefore, it could be genuine.

Is that not clear?

Publius can post here all day long about Redfern and whoever he wants, there is no point in my arguing about his beliefs. If Publius shows me something that offers a realistic argument that the information in support of Dan is false, that will be reviewed and debated if necessary (see yesterday re Senator Harry Reids letter).

7209 simply wants to distract.

I will not play your games.
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10/19/2005 06:59 AM
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i think its better to believe Dan Burisch,.... who needs hard evidence, with such a scientist???
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The current evidence that supports the claims of Dan Burisch has not been shown to be false, therefore, it could be genuine.

Is there something wrong with the above statement? Is it as I say or not?
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10/19/2005 07:02 AM
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So you have decided the Reid letter was a photocopying artifact. So what?

Does that make you correct and do you shut your mind based on your guess?
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Shut my mind to what?

I´m pleased to accept all genuine illustrations of possible irregularities for further investigation.

I cite two previous instances.

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The ´R´s in the letter from Senator Harry reid......examined and IMO there is nothing there to cause question of veracity.

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Nightshade 09
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So you want a war after all Boomerang. Fine you stick up the ass Brit you got one.

I have Dan Burisch ENTIRE life story in those F.O.I.A docs I even have copies of school records both grade school, high school and his few failed attempts at college. Also a certain local news reporter that will go on the legal record (backed up with their career in journalism on the line) stating that the famous "Dan Burisch" interview IS NOT as it appears.

If you would bother your fucked up head. To actually do a little investigation, instead of having your tongue up Burisch´s ass waiting for the next turd to fall. If you even bothered to check with the facts. You´d soon discover that everything posted the other day is fake a fraud produced in with computer software. Pixel ate those docs Cultist with oh Paintshop Pro. You will soon discover pixels have been altered and moved. Same goes for ALL the supposed photographs given to you by Marci the con artist and supposed Insiders. The ONLY ones I´ve found that haven´t been altered are those that were provided by Peter rabbit on Eagles Disobey.




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I checked the images and found no evidence to support Nightshades claims. I asked Nightshade to be more specific, to date, he has failed to respond.
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10/19/2005 07:18 AM
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The current ´evidence´ that supports the claims of Dan Burisch has not been shown to be genuine, therefore, it could be false.
Boomerang  (OP)

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10/19/2005 07:21 AM
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I agree 6075.
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10/19/2005 07:28 AM
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7209 simply wants to distract.


Who says? Paranoid or whatdamned
Boomerang  (OP)

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10/19/2005 07:43 AM
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7209,

In your own words, what do you want?

:)
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10/19/2005 07:49 AM
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BOOM,
I agree also. Look what they can do in movies. It could be false.

So from that perspective. If so there remains 1 big Question. Who would do that (this Golden Forum), finance it and WHY. I do not have to see proof. I believe the experts.
My doctor showed me a Röntgenphoto of my knee. He told me "Sorry Jan big arthrose (cann´t find the word in the dictionary) live with it and a artificial knee is to early for you."

I believe him and never ask for things like "show me your credentials, or can you proof it was a röntgenphoto of my knee and not yours".

6075 But show the evidence to who. Not to you or me.

JAn
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OHH The Ganesh problem.
Last was me.
JAn
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I simply said the same as Boomerang, only the other way around.

At the end of the day, even the most dedicated followers of fashion (like Dondep, Boomerang ) do not know what they are following... They just .. well.. believe like Jan.

I don´t understand one thing: how do they justify their arrogance?
Richard Martin
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10/19/2005 08:03 AM
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Rob,

Perhaps you are not familiar with how experiments are evaluated through the peer-review process or how evidence is assessed by solicitors.

If this case were to reach a courtroom (heaven forbid) then it is you who would be asked to present verifiable and testable evidence that supports the claims being made.

From what I can see, you are asking people to prove a negative i.e. demonstrate how the Burisch claims are false. That illogic thankfully disappeared with the enlightenment. If that irrational form of deduction were still here, scientists would be asked to prove that the world is not flat!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Let us look at witnesses. The Burisch claims have not really been examined in any formal or methodical way, have they?

None of the witnesses, in this Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell, have not been cross-examined under oath. All the transcripts which were floating around on the internet probably amount to nothing more than hearsay.

There remain considerable doubts as to Dan Burisch´s competence as a biologist. Indeed, I don´t think it is unreasonable to construe the withholding of his alleged PhD certificate as an outright attempt to manipulate what I would generously refer to as an investigation.

There are doubts as to the authenticity of the Q94a document and other documents, such as the so-called Rancher memo. Again, there are methods available to test the authenticity of documents - one of the methods being to have the author testify regarding its authenticity.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Could Dan Burisch´s alleged work satisfy any of these requirements?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Could those blobby little pixels of light satisfy any of these tests?

These are the standards the claimants, not the critics, will have to satisfy. Over to you.

Richard Martin
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You seem to be under the impression that I want to convince you of something?

Think again.

It´s upto you to decide for yourselves.


Richard,

any news from LV yet?
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>>>Anonymous Coward
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I simply said the same as Boomerang, only the other way around.<<<



And I agreed with your reverse scenario 6075.




>>>At the end of the day, even the most dedicated followers of fashion (like Dondep, Boomerang ) do not know what they are following... They just .. well.. believe like Jan.<<<



I´m following the evidence, following my own instincts, following the unfolding story, I´m going to LV to meet Dan again and (hopefully) see with my own eyes what´s going on. I ´believe´ based on those criteria. Not what the conglomeration of learned UFers tell me to believe. What are you basing your beliefs on?



>>>I don´t understand one thing: how do they justify their arrogance?<<<


Strange.....same here.... How do you justify yours?


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When the title of this thread changes to "I have definitive proof that Dan Burisch is genuine and I can prove it" perhaps you will have a point, until then, it´s you that is here from choice, not by invitation.

Stay or go, matters not to me.

Is Dan Burisch for real? Matters not to me, it won´t change my life.

Do I want to know the truth no matter what it may be?

Yep.

Do you???
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Here lies the Ufers dilemma.

Please pass this on to each of them (that´s if they don´t read it here first for themselves).

I have nothing to lose, and equally, I have nothing to gain, no matter what happens with this story.

The Ufers rely on the fact that they can (to borrow a term from elsewhere) ´discombobulate´ matters by issuing statements from each other that simply muddy the waters, while in fact they all feed from the same trough. It happens in many walks of life, politics is a prime example. You don´t think that all the public arguing and shit throwing is for real do you? LOL!!!

I am an unbeatable foe.

:)


They hold no sway with me, I have no reputation to preserve. I have always told the truth no matter what. So, where are they going to get their ammunition from? They have attempted to use others that have fallen for their wiles to do their dirty dealings. It´s failed and will never work.

I have a far more thorough knowledge of Dan Burisch, his work and his background than any of them. I will not allow their false claims to interfere with the search for the truth.

To put it bluntly.......

They are stuffed.
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10/19/2005 08:57 AM
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OOPS!

I forgot to add.......

I have the time, the money and the inclination to follow this to it´s conclusion.......whatever that may be!


:)
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10/19/2005 09:48 AM
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Hi Boomer. Lucky for us you have the time,inclination, and money to follow this through. I mean that sincerely. Next month should prove to be interesting for you.
Maybe you can answer a question for me. I don´t understand why the UFers are so intent on ridiculing the Burisch story and Bill Hamilton.
Why "muddy the waters" and issue false statements? I would think they of all people would want this story to be true. I just don´t get it. Is it rivalry or ego or what?





GLP