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Dr Dan Burisch Information

 
Anonymous Coward
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10/19/2005 11:47 AM
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I am very interested in the ´truth´. I can´t remember, you presenting one so far. So why don´t you do it here. Since you are the owner of this thread you seem to think that you have the right to demand things. I don´t demand anything.. i ask.

You have now the chance to prove that your story is true. You may stop for a while asking people to prove its false. Remember you and your ´insider´ friends came up with the claims not, me, for example.

Why don´t you be a man about it and prove what you are saying, whatever that may be? So tell me about our common future.

How i justify my arrogance? Its simple. I don´t know anything but i am interested in what you claim you know. May i be that arrogant as a useless eater whose future seems to depend on what you claim to know?
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10/19/2005 12:22 PM
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Hi again Mel,

:)

Lucky for me too! I´m in the ideal situation, at the right time and the right place. Don´t get me wrong........i´m NOT a multi-millionaire LOL! Comfortable and content with my lot would be a better description. I have access to what we here in the UK call.... ´disposable income´.

As regards the whys of the attitudes of the Ufers.

>>>Is it rivalry or ego or what?<<<

IMO, you hit the nail squarely on the head with those few words. It´s a combination, the above as you say but also the NEED to control the flow of information that they seem to think is somehow their exclusive right. You´ve heard the term ´control the process? That´s what we are dealing with here. The UFers think that if they all stick together in condemnation, they will succeed in burying the story. Their futures are at stake, their reputations, their conferences and back-slapping. To some degree it works, how many want to step out of line and speak against the ´experts´? Look at the way that Bill Hamilton is pressured into adopting the party line. Bills life is being made a misery with the ridicule being directed his way, I hope he has the courage to stand up to the ´bully-boy´ tactics, however, it´s irrelevant to the outcome whether Bill stays the course or takes a fall.

The control of two boards is in the hands of those that will not be brow beaten into submission. The introduction of material to counter the evidence of Dan Burisch is welcomed, but not forthcoming. Instead the old ploy of "it´s up to you to show this is genuine" is trundled out time and again. Thats OK if we are twisting arms, but we are not. You saw Richard Martin mention proof and courts of law earlier? Did Mr Martin provide truthful evidence when he attempted to pass off the assessments of two high school teachers as the work of biologists?

The UFers are dumbfounded as to what to say next. They can´t afford to ignore the story, but have no control. They hate people like me, they can´t control me, they have absolutely nothing on me to threaten me with. I can spend more time researching the material than they can. They have their conferences and meetings to organise, their books to write, they still need to provide an income to support themselves....I don´t!!!



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10/19/2005 01:56 PM
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Boomer, your Tertuallian stance faails to overcome the basic flaw.

1. Dan Burisch did not belong to MJ-12 because it does not exist and is a lie.

2. Dan Burisch did not halt all human abductions.

3. Dan Burisch did not mindmeld with a J-Rod because they do not exist.

Boomerang, prove me wrong. Validate for all of us the MJ-12 Papers please. Explain how in a world of secrecy and lies and distortions and death your UFO pal Dan Burisch is allowed to sing on the internet to DonDep and anyone else. Really that violates any security oath.

How? Obviosly aliens are a secret and bases and treaties are a secret. If Dan talks, he logically would be met by the folks who got to Dr. Kelley.
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Dreamcatcher User ID: 1484 9/19/2005 1:12 pm EDT:

Being a long time member here, I can only say this. If Dan turns out to be the real deal, I will be a little disappointed and here is why....if in fact the known Aliens we deal with (Nordics, J-Rods) are Humans from the future, what of other intelligent life, that has sprung forth from our Universe? Are there in fact, OTHER Alien visitors here, or visiting here, that are not our progenators? (That is my question for Boomer, or anyone else involved in the on-going saga of the good Doctor)**

The following, however, is my opinion, and need not be addressed. I firmly believe, that you cannot create paradoxes....the Universe, nature, or god...whatever way one chooses to look at this, deals with potential paradoxes by "brushing" them off, or branching off into a different timeline....thus, I do not understand why there is a loop, and a time problem created by the combined efforts of our Governments with their own agendas, and the future versions of the human race...I am not discounting Dr. Dan and his theories...I am not calling him a liar, nor am I suggesting this is the case with anyone presenting the case here...I am simply posting MY OPINION...I believe firmly, paradoxes cannot be created thus the loop we are in, or the problems created do not make alot of sense to me.....I would imagine at worst, that SEVERAL timelines have been created as a direct result of interference by J-Rods and/or Government factions....however, NONE of these timelines, should have any effect, on our own timeline, our past OR our future....truly, it depends on your level of understanding as it pertains to the laws of our Universe, and what you believe I suppose....Kip Thorne, to MYSELF...is the foremost authority on Time Travel.....and thus, I would believe what he has proposed more than anyone else.....but at the very least, the discussion of Time loops, and of how everything is so "messed up" in the timeline.....I cannot agree with this, in the least.....that is either disinformation, or, out and out lies perpetrated by a Gov. agency or these J-Rod fellows....I believe there would be solid evidence of timeline distortion effects visible for all and if this is in fact the case, then I defy one person, to follow up my post with clear evidence that our timeline has been changed, polluted, or distorted.

Uncle John here: It is a ridiculous request to ask for evidence visible for "all." Think about it. Name any evidence that is visible to all.

What in the heck is "clear evidence?" Who gets to decide that?

I could give you plenty of evidence for timeline distortion, but your manner of asking for it leads me to believe you won´t consider my evidence.

BTW, loose the .... in the middle of your questions. This just upsets my spelling checker.

I will not respond with an answer to any question that is not phrased in good English writing.

Now if you totally redo your post and your attitude, I might give you what you´re asking for.
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"Boomerang, prove me wrong."

I have no interest in disproving your beliefs!

This is a silly backwards and forwards, thwack......thwunk......thwack.....the game set and match will occur in its own good time.
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10/19/2005 02:40 PM
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this is Cool Logic to me..

>>>Boomer, your Tertuallian stance faails to overcome the basic flaw.

1. Dan Burisch did not belong to MJ-12 because it does not exist and is a lie.

2. Dan Burisch did not halt all human abductions.

3. Dan Burisch did not mindmeld with a J-Rod because they do not exist.

Boomerang, prove me wrong. Validate for all of us the MJ-12 Papers please. Explain how in a world of secrecy and lies and distortions and death your UFO pal Dan Burisch is allowed to sing on the internet to DonDep and anyone else. Really that violates any security oath.

How? Obviosly aliens are a secret and bases and treaties are a secret. If Dan talks, he logically would be met by the folks who got to Dr. Kelley.
<<<<

And i understand that Boomerang is not interested in proving or disproving anything. He is not interested in anything it seems...

In a cult you don´t question authority.

I am looking forward to the trip he is going to make to LV. So we will have to wait for a while before his wisdom illuminates our paths too.


I always asked to myself.. how in the world it was possible to speak out like burisch guy did. If there is a secret.. the name says it all, you don´t talk about it.. and if this secret is about what is going to happen about a couple of years, or about the amount of abductions etc... If true it would be hot stuff and therefore would not be told.
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10/19/2005 02:41 PM
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I have a confession to make.......

I enjoy seeing you lot get your knickers in a twist.

:)

Here´s something for you to consider.

This is a snip of a conversation between myself and A.N.other that occurred Sept 19th 2005.

Paraphrased to protect the respondent.



Q) Do you have the evidence?

A) No, it´s not currently in my possession.

Q) Where is it then?

A) Its in the hands of the entertainer.




If the miscreant would like to step forward, this may be a good time to do so.
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10/19/2005 08:37 PM
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"Being a long time member here, I can only say this. If Dan turns out to be the real deal, I will be a little disappointed and here is why....if in fact the known Aliens we deal with (Nordics, J-Rods) are Humans from the future, what of other intelligent life, that has sprung forth from our Universe?"

You don´t have to worry about that, because they are not from our future. What BULLSHIT!
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10/19/2005 08:51 PM
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I too am a long time reader.

I´ve wondered if...perhaps...the reason why dondep is so involved is because it helps his case if Burisch is for real...??

Don´t get me wrong, I mean no disrespect.

It just crossed my mind to ask. I´ll go back to reading now...;)



popcorn
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10/20/2005 02:18 AM
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Yep Boomer, I understand "controlling the process" and can see what a hard time Bill Hamilton is having. I am glad you have the "disposable income:)" and determination to see this through to a conclusion. Hopefully you will find some answers in Vegas. An unbeatable foe? I hope so!!!
I see dondep has just posted on stargate, but I have no clue what he is talking about. Card playing never was my forte. scratching
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10/20/2005 02:59 AM

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Just a quick flypast as I don´t want to disrupt the flow too much, I´m too busy to get bogged down by Boomer´s copy/pastes... but I found a goodie from a time gone past. It´s from another Boomer, I might post in tomorrow. Cya:)

popcorn

cheercheercheercheercheercheer


These are for Richard (ID 3746), Publius, Duncan Kunz for posting on that other thread, Kiwi, and a few others here lately. It´s good to see the other side getting their point across.

cheercheercheercheercheercheer
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Anyone notice who´s missing?

Kate,

Wouldn´t it have been easier to post it while you were here? I´ve told you a gadzillion times, post what you want, there are no secrets!
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10/20/2005 05:29 AM
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“At the end of the day, even the most dedicated followers of fashion (like Dondep, Boomerang ) do not know what they are following... They just .. well.. believe like Jan.”


There are several degrees of knowing. Not all require proof or even evidence or the same kind of proof or the same kind of evidence, or even the same methods or the same tools to gather those proofs or evidences.

We all learn in steps where each step composes the building blocks of knowledge/awareness/understanding for the next step and so on.

Depending on which level of knowledge/awareness/understanding each one is at each moment so we notice or not, understand or not, use or not, those building blocks and absorb them or not into what is our own individualized and personal (as opposed to common agreed/mainstream/uniformed kind of knowledge) degree of knowledge/awareness/understanding that will allow us to continually augmenting that same knowledge/awareness/understanding.

I suppose it’s pretty much evident and there’s no necessity whatsoever to stress that not all are at the same step at the same time, so not all require the same building blocks at the same time for their progression, but I’ll refer it here, just in case…


I hope this helps … but I’m not holding my breath… rolleyes


:)

Thessa
Proof is not all that important. Knowing is. - Thessa

New perspectives and key hints can change our reality. - Thessa
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Mel,

"An unbeatable foe"

There´s no doubt about it. How can I be beaten when all I want is the truth?

u2efine

1) I have always been honest in this saga.

2) I have no reputation to protect.

3) I cannot be manipulated with promises.

4) I have a personal belief that Dan is telling the truth.

5) I will not manipulate the facts to suit the agenda.

6) I am not afraid to counter the false accusations that do and will appear.

7) I have no vested interests in the end result.

8) I have no criminal record (well...drunk and disorderly when age 18, got a caution...oops the folly of youth!)

9) The information ´they´ are handling is what they are allowed to see.

10) Last, but by no means least. When I meet with Dan again, I will be in the unique position to be able to testify independently to the veracity of Dan and his work.



A snip from Dondeps recent SG post.

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This ´coalition´ of odd bedfellows have bedazzled certain of our former colleagues who even now sit smugly waiting.....and thinking their suspicious minds will finally be validated. I say to them, gently, to remember the hurtful, narrow-minded and furtively distrustful attitudes they hold now as they will be reminded of them for all eternity. I don´t make that statement lightly, either.
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10/20/2005 06:47 AM
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Do you support the ridiculous threat at the end of Dondeps post Boomerang? It is a test of character really. Wheres the love gone?
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10/20/2005 06:57 AM
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BOOM,

I like that last post. Like Thessa´s last post.
It´s so simple. All I want is the truth? Not for me but for my children and grandchildren (I hope).
BTW that´s why I,m looking at every angle. ED,GLP,SG and the many links.

1 to 10: that´s why you (and I) are feeling good in what you are doing. Capitals are mine.

1) I have always been honest AND NOT ONLY in this saga.
2) I have no reputation to protect ONLY RESPECT.
3) I cannot be manipulated with promises (WITH NOTHING).
4) I have a personal belief that Dan is telling the truth (LIKE MANY OTHERS, ME FI).
5) I will not manipulate the facts to suit the agenda (THAT´S BECAUSE nr.1).
6) I am not afraid to counter the false accusations that do and will appear (HERE WE DIFFER. I´m NOT AFRAID, BUT WHY COUNTER, NO USE).
7) I have no vested interests in the end result (SOMETIMES I HOPE I HAVE, LET IT BE POSITIVE THINKING THAN).
8) I have no criminal record (well...drunk and disorderly when age 18, got a caution...oops the folly of youth!) I DO HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. 5 TIMES DRIVING 56 WERE 50 WAS ALLOWED. AND 5 TICKETS.
9) The information ´they´ are handling is what they are allowed to see. I SEE MUCH KNOW LITTLE.
10) Last, but by no means least. WISHED I COULD MEET DAN BETTY, ETC. BUT BETTER AFTER DISCLOSURE.

JAn
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10/20/2005 07:41 AM
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Jan,

I defend the truth with gusto! Hence I have no fear of countering lies.......but I do understand your reasons for wishing to leave them with their misconceptions.

One question Sir....Who´s Betty? LOL


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>>>I say to them, gently, to remember the hurtful, narrow-minded and furtively distrustful attitudes they hold now as they will be reminded of them for all eternity. I don´t make that statement lightly, either.<<<


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Do you support the ridiculous threat at the end of Dondeps post Boomerang? It is a test of character really. Wheres the love gone?


Threat 7276? I detect no threat, ridiculous or otherwise in Dons post. A simple reminder of our past actions being responsible for our future lives maybe? Perhaps we should balance the scales with a snip from the same post?



>>>REMEMBER THIS, for I tell you this with Love and yes a little bit of sadness.<<<


(And for those misleading them, blinded by their arrogance of the proximity to Powerful Disinfo In The Past, you know who you are. You call this a ´circus´, your code word for your object of contempt, but the ´circus´ is populated with the species known as NaySayers and Hoax-cryers as you try to suppress an honest and open debate.) We know you read here, but don´t worry, we won´t tell the public.
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10/20/2005 07:53 AM
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trans_sign

Gobbledeegook to me The language is strange and somewhat defensive.
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Translation.....let´s see. This is how I would interpret the post.

:)

>>>I say to them, gently, to remember the hurtful, narrow-minded and furtively distrustful attitudes they hold now as they will be reminded of them for all eternity. I don´t make that statement lightly, either.<<<

A gentle reminder to those that are the pawns of others to think about their actions, for what you do now can bite ones ass later in life.




>>>REMEMBER THIS, for I tell you this with Love and yes a little bit of sadness.

(And for those misleading them, blinded by their arrogance of the proximity to Powerful Disinfo In The Past, you know who you are. You call this a ´circus´, your code word for your object of contempt, but the ´circus´ is populated with the species known as NaySayers and Hoax-cryers as you try to suppress an honest and open debate.) We know you read here, but don´t worry, we won´t tell the public.<<<

For the mis-directed, although it´s hurt me, I can find it in my heart to forgive you. To those misleading, we are aware of your attempts to disinform and derail.
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10/20/2005 08:26 AM
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Thanks for the translation. I still find it all a little strange and personal and frankly off the topic but not my business so go ahead and enjoy yourselves. Guess ya´ll had to be there.
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10/20/2005 01:08 PM
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Thessa wrote:

"There are several degrees of knowing. Not all require proof or even evidence or the same kind of proof or the same kind of evidence, or even the same methods or the same tools to gather those proofs or evidences."

I have respect for you. I always had. It is because of you i came to know about Swedenborg for example.

I agree with this. But the claims made and being made by the followers of Burisch, need hard evidence. This marks the only level on which it can be understood. There is no place there for "The J-rods are from out future". If so according to whom? Who says so? And why would this be true? The claims are just too fantastic. Any evidence to back them up isn´t there.

I don´t see ´Dr´ dan as a savior of millions from a horrible abduction for example. he may say so.. but i may then ask : is it true?

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"We all learn in steps where each step composes the building blocks of knowledge/awareness/understanding for the next step and so on."
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So do i. But i also happen to be that flexible to change my mind if the ´evidence´ is not reliable or just isn´t enough.

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"I suppose it’s pretty much evident and there’s no necessity whatsoever to stress that not all are at the same step at the same time, so not all require the same building blocks at the same time for their progression, but I’ll refer it here, just in case…"

I hope this helps … but I’m not holding my breath…
______________________

Yes it is pretty much evident. I don´t know what you are trying to say exactly, i do not see a higher-level-knowledge on , lets say SG forum!

I hope you don´t mind if i question the motivations of some people and allegations being made. Booemrang or his friends are not reliable sources to me. The guy is an asshole, forgive me for the word.

We all grow to hopefully higher levels than before, no matter if we are aware of it. This story is a very long one. Started by Human Subject as a serious attempt to discover te truth (our own truth in fact) but it now became a milkcow for some people and maybe even a life insurance. It is simply too ugly to be the truth.

I think i used my building blocks perfectly well. I just used them to revision my mind and i arrived at the conclusion that ´Dr´ dan is not what they say he is. This whole story stinks. I am very sorry for some people who invested a great deal of time and money in this. I am also sorry for them because of the pain they have felt before and during this whole issue. It just does not resonate with me anymore.

If this means that the level i am on then lower that, for example Dondeps or Boomerangs.. so be it. So you are right. you don´t have to hold your breath. I changed my mind.
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6075,

>>>I hope you don´t mind if i question the motivations of some people and allegations being made.<<<

>>>Booemrang or his friends are not reliable sources to me. The guy is an asshole, forgive me for the word.<<<

******************************************

I have no problem with name calling, it´s not the first time and certainly won´t be the last time that I´ve been referred to as such!

Boomerang---->butt<----Boomerang

The only proviso would be, perhaps you could explain why you think this. I may learn something and possibly become less of an asshole?

I would be interested to read what your assessment is based on.

Thanks
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I am sorry . I should have known better. I hate name calling myself and i did just that... But be honest.. you do the same don´t you?

Maybe it is a good idea that you just read back your own posts to have an idea of your own behaviour.

Even if it WAS the truth what you are selling, i would not buy it because of your behaviour. You, to me, are too self-assured in a wrong way and many people make mistakes when this kind of self-assuredness takes hold...

I don´t think that there is nothing you can learn from me. Everything one learns, one learns from him/herself. Ask yourself: Am i doing the right thing? If it feels right...then go ahead. This feels right to me.. but there is always the possibility that i am wrong...
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6075,

I am self confident, that can appear as being obnoxious at times. For that I apologise. Please try to understand something that I have said many times. I´m not here to win friends, I´m not here to convince you or anyone else that I am right. I have set my stall out to defend the truth to the best of my abilities. As you know, I will be travelling to LV soon enough for the ´hands on experience´. All I can do is tell you what I see, hear and feel from those meetings. I have met Dan Burisch previously, at that time he seemed an OK guy, sincere in his manner etc. I did not have the opportunity to partake in any type of scientific study/experiment on that occasion.

This visit should hopefully offer more in the way of answers for us all.

Don´t forget the de-briefing that Dan is currently involved in either! That should be well worth the wait..IMHO!

:)
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Boomerang, about that Angelic Hebrew speaking being that hung out with Dan for over one year-you think that is true also? Any special reason why it spoke Hebrew? Any connection in your mind to Abrahamic faiths?
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BOOM
Hoi
WHY the question. Who´s Betty?

JAn
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Hey Kate

Who can it be knocking at my door?
Go ´way, don´t come ´round here no more.
Can´t you see that it´s late at night?
I´m very tired, and I´m not feeling right.
All I wish is to be alone;
Stay away, don´t you invade my home.
Best off if you hang outside,
Don´t come in - I´ll only run and hide.

Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?

Who can it be knocking at my door?
Make no sound, tip-toe across the floor.
If he hears, he´ll knock all day,
I´ll be trapped, and here I´ll have to stay.
I´ve done no harm, I keep to myself;
There´s nothing wrong with my state of mental health.
I like it here with my childhood friend;
Here they come, those feelings again!

Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?
Who can it be now?

Is it the man come to take me away?
Why do they follow me?
It´s not the future that I can see,
It´s just my fantasy

Oh...Who can it be now?
Oh...Who can it...Who can it...
Yeah yeah yeah

ROBOTdance
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Publius,

>>>Boomerang, about that Angelic Hebrew speaking being that hung out with Dan for over one year-you think that is true also? Any special reason why it spoke Hebrew? Any connection in your mind to Abrahamic faiths?<<<

Is it true? Do I think it’s true? I have no idea if it’s true or not, how could I? Compared to our everyday lives, it sounds pretty far fetched, I agree. However, when placed in context with everything else, if the J-rods are real, if the Ganesh particle is fact, if MIB are wandering around, if abduction quotas were set and broken, if Dan experienced a mind meld…….then the appearance of an ‘angelic’ being (which incidentally, ‘allegedly’ spoke in a dialect that was reported to be ‘possibly’ ancient Hebrew, a language that Dan himself didn’t understand, and yet knew the meaning of….I hear you sigh at this point!) would be just another fantastic claim that would appear nonsensical on the face of it. But, who knows? How can the veracity of an angelic being be tested? All I can say is that if we can verify with certainty that some parts of Dans story are true, then it follows that the likelihood of other parts of the story being true increase significantly.

Why did it speak Hebrew (assuming it was Hebrew, see above). Why not speak Hebrew? Would you be happier if it had spoken Chinese? Or Russian? Or English? Perhaps it didn’t want to be understood by every Tom, Dick or Harry?

I have only a vague idea about what you may infer when you talk of ‘Abrahamic faiths’. So can’t comment, but I guess that answers your question anyway.




Hi Jan,

>>>10) Last, but by no means least. WISHED I COULD MEET DAN BETTY, ETC. BUT BETTER AFTER DISCLOSURE.<<<

Betty? Not sure what or who this refers to.
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BOOM,
could it be Marci.
Or am I in the learning mode again.
JAn
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10/20/2005 05:45 PM
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Re: Dr Dan Burisch Information
BOOM,
could it be Marci.
Or am I in the learning mode again.
JAn

Hey Jan,

Marci would make more sense, I thought I had missed someone new.....Betty! Remember when you asked me to sign my real name once? I said sure, my names Rob......what did you start calling me after? Rod....

Some are better with names than others.


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GLP