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We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).

 
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We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff). But then to describe consciousness as conscious thoughts or thoughts that we can be aware of would be a presumption. If thot ends up being pre-material then Im not sure that we could tie thinking to matter necessarily. It may be essential for discourse but not perhaps necessary or accurate for a picture of things as they are.
Science half way thru 2011 says that: Realities on the super-tiny levels are probabilities not certainties. We don’t know if an event will occur but when it does little mouse traps of locality snap off inducing probability fields to collapse the wave function of maybe into a full fledged yup here it is (the object or event happens). Please re-read if needed.

Sooooo….Humans then are that which manipulates the collapse of quantum wave functions. We can create on one level as a super- duper quantum computer bonghit that can not only calculate but then can summon and then arrange and finally assemble the invisible forces all around us. Cool no?? If you can do that, be you a man woman ant tree bird fish even our single celled friends I am willing to say you live regardless of realm or dimension. If computers acheive this someday soon…. I would have to say that they are now alive and pulling the plug would in fact be equivalent to our demise. Or of course similar to going to sleep provided the computer was able to reboot with the exact same information it had prior to shutdown. But if sentient life must include the ability to assemble on the quantum level then ANYTHING that does this must be considered an alive thinking creature period.
If your swallowing this idea then you must think about the possibility that its more than likely that humans as such do not possess any physical attributes at all just the bedlam of darkness that defines the whirling cheese like boundaries of membranes made from manic cilia called strings. If you read this far and if confusion has turned to anger consider the possibility that we humans are the holes in the donut not the matter the donut is made from- Comments and ridicule?- No religitards please.
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07/28/2011 03:49 AM

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Re: We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
i see a working approach
good selection buddy!

we are valuable for this chance to change
not for the change alone


all human "properties" are working hard for "us" (we=souls)
this "concept of nature" which as i understand it,
dwells in relations to things, situations and you

i understood life as 1 force
to this day i met many forms

interaction between them is the only way out of this "system" or "method"


abduct
moral reasoning takes about 250 miliseconds
we make errors in between
perception->relation->behaviour
humanitech
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07/28/2011 05:38 AM
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Re: We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff). But then to describe consciousness as conscious thoughts or thoughts that we can be aware of would be a presumption. If thot ends up being pre-material then Im not sure that we could tie thinking to matter necessarily. It may be essential for discourse but not perhaps necessary or accurate for a picture of things as they are.
Science half way thru 2011 says that: Realities on the super-tiny levels are probabilities not certainties. We don’t know if an event will occur but when it does little mouse traps of locality snap off inducing probability fields to collapse the wave function of maybe into a full fledged yup here it is (the object or event happens). Please re-read if needed.

Sooooo….Humans then are that which manipulates the collapse of quantum wave functions. We can create on one level as a super- duper quantum computer bonghit that can not only calculate but then can summon and then arrange and finally assemble the invisible forces all around us. Cool no?? If you can do that, be you a man woman ant tree bird fish even our single celled friends I am willing to say you live regardless of realm or dimension. If computers acheive this someday soon…. I would have to say that they are now alive and pulling the plug would in fact be equivalent to our demise. Or of course similar to going to sleep provided the computer was able to reboot with the exact same information it had prior to shutdown. But if sentient life must include the ability to assemble on the quantum level then ANYTHING that does this must be considered an alive thinking creature period.
If your swallowing this idea then you must think about the possibility that its more than likely that humans as such do not possess any physical attributes at all just the bedlam of darkness that defines the whirling cheese like boundaries of membranes made from manic cilia called strings. If you read this far and if confusion has turned to anger consider the possibility that we humans are the holes in the donut not the matter the donut is made from- Comments and ridicule?- No religitards please.
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Aliens (through this same paradox) already did it and plopped the seeds here on earth as the trial study...organic bio-computers from the single cell origins (is the formula) ...this evolutionary manufacturing process howvever required a lot of time...which has matured to us...and we stupidly want to do the same thing..it's already here..we just don't want to fully understand or accept either its full potentials or limitaions LOL
Funney

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Re: We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
"we just don't want to fully understand or accept either its full potentials or limitations" and ... changes ... (there is no law granting same tommorows till infinity)
moral reasoning takes about 250 miliseconds
we make errors in between
perception->relation->behaviour
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07/28/2011 08:27 AM
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Re: We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff). But then to describe consciousness as conscious thoughts or thoughts that we can be aware of would be a presumption. If thot ends up being pre-material then Im not sure that we could tie thinking to matter necessarily. It may be essential for discourse but not perhaps necessary or accurate for a picture of things as they are.
Science half way thru 2011 says that: Realities on the super-tiny levels are probabilities not certainties. We don’t know if an event will occur but when it does little mouse traps of locality snap off inducing probability fields to collapse the wave function of maybe into a full fledged yup here it is (the object or event happens). Please re-read if needed.

Sooooo….Humans then are that which manipulates the collapse of quantum wave functions. We can create on one level as a super- duper quantum computer bonghit that can not only calculate but then can summon and then arrange and finally assemble the invisible forces all around us. Cool no?? If you can do that, be you a man woman ant tree bird fish even our single celled friends I am willing to say you live regardless of realm or dimension. If computers acheive this someday soon…. I would have to say that they are now alive and pulling the plug would in fact be equivalent to our demise. Or of course similar to going to sleep provided the computer was able to reboot with the exact same information it had prior to shutdown. But if sentient life must include the ability to assemble on the quantum level then ANYTHING that does this must be considered an alive thinking creature period.
If your swallowing this idea then you must think about the possibility that its more than likely that humans as such do not possess any physical attributes at all just the bedlam of darkness that defines the whirling cheese like boundaries of membranes made from manic cilia called strings. If you read this far and if confusion has turned to anger consider the possibility that we humans are the holes in the donut not the matter the donut is made from- Comments and ridicule?- No religitards please.
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“My yoke is easy and my burden is LIGHT”, and yes it is, I can witness that statement as I live that statement because of God's grace and the promise of Jesus Christ.

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07/28/2011 08:50 AM
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Re: We don’t think so much as we think about stuff (matter and stuff that matters due to stuff).
Consciousness appears as differentiation between subject and object. But in this appearance we can see it clearly is not actually differentiated at all. In other words, there is no distinctness between any element of any differentiation -- seer, seen, and seeing, or taster, tasted and tasting, or thinker, thought and thinking. The distinctness is relative appearance only.

The body has sensorial and mental knowledge about "a world around it" and "a world within it." Even when it is in dreamless sleep. But, YOU do not. You are not the perspective of the body, but the formless non-perspective that is the subject or witness of that perspective during its awake and dreaming phases of mind. This perspective, of course, includes the body and it's mind, and the world it is apparently experiencing. It's like a mirror hologram manifest as concave to the "world without" and convex to the "world within." Once the "within" and "without" are seen as non-distinct (but rather one humungous spectrum), being simply the product of the "mirror-hologram's" being, then you'll get an accurate "picture of things as they are."

In other words, things aren't. But are is. That is, things are not being, but being is being the appearance of many things. There is neither need nor possibility to conceptualize this totality into any sort of systemized knowledge of the mind.

Last Edited by Advaita Vedantist on 07/28/2011 08:57 AM
I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

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