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We have for the past 150 years or so drifted from self-sufficiency to near total dependence. As if some Declaration of Dependence was signed behind our backs, we have through four or five generations become all but totally dependent on non-human corporate entities whose primary function is not to make our lives healthier, wealthier or wise, but to reap the maximum profits from their activities regardless of the consequences to humans and the planet Earth.

In the process of giving up the self-sufficiency of our great-grandfathers we have been poisoned, drugged, brainwashed, ripped off, manipulated, swindled, coerced, deceived, spied-upon, and sent to slaughter. We have gone from growing our own fresh, healthy organic food to being dependant on levethian corporate chemical additions of toxic chemicals pleasantly-packaged and skillfully promoted for our sustenance. GMO added to preserve harmness.

For warmth and cooking and our other various convenience tools, entertainment and communication, we have become dependent on corporations to deliver the electricity than runs our world. Our transporation needs are controlled and delivered by humongous corporations. Otherwise, we walk, our voice is limited to over the next hill, and the only music we hear is that we make ourselves.

Every nook and most crannies of our lives, especially the most basic survival needs, are entangled in dependence on these non-human entities that have come to be known as multi-national corporations owned primarily by a relatively small group of elite banking and industrial families who thrive on the power of financial domination and political control, often to the detriment of society and nature.

Over these past four or five generations, our worlds have been taken under control by The Corporation, while we the people have been boonswoggled into believing that our best interests are being served by those who make the big decisions. We no longer rely upon ourselves and our neighbors. We are under control by powers beyond our choices and we are vulnerable to the whims of nature and The Powers That Be.

Westernized Civilization is teetering on the brink of it's own excesses and we remain constantly less than a week from chaos should The Corporation's production and distribution channels be disrupted by financial collapse or cataclysmic natural events. Since we've lost the basic suvival skills of our great-grandfathers, and our water and food supplies are no longer found at our local corporate outlet, food crisis will develop in a matter of hours. Some neighbors may shed their veneers of civilization as their children experience hunger for the first time while the urban and suburban regions descend into precarious and sudden disorder. As the civil engineering infrastructure breaks down, those living in densely-populated areas will quickly find themselves living in desperate circumstances as water distribution and sanition processes squeel to a halt. This all a result of the near-complete dependence on the system The Corporation has designed.

This Great Mutation from self-sufficiency to dependence that has developed during the past few generations has left our freedoms and opportunities vulnerable to systemic collapse and threatens to send us all back to where this age began. And that in itself is not a bad thing. In fact it is a good thing--and a necessary thing because this top-heavy, lop-sided, wasteful, profit-driven, inequitable system that has evolved over the past few generations, or that has been built, is not working to the benefit of most people, but for the benefit of the few while nature coughs and chokes on the fumes of The Corporation.

Fortunately, change is coming. Ready or not, things are going to change. At the other end of this tranformation a better world awaits. Between here and there we the people will face many challenges, some sudden, some more gradual, that will put our living skills, our survival skills, to the test. Now would be a good time to take stock of our situation, determine our dependencies, and gain the skills and knowledge to necessary to break those chains The Corporation has lured us into so we will depend only on ourselves and immediate neighbors for our basic needs of food, water and shelter.

In these precarious financial times, the best investment is in those things that would fulfill Buckminster Fuller's definition of wealth: the number of days of forward survival. A garden and canning skills, greenhouse, solar panels, windmill and good batteries will ensure the least disruption should The Corporation's best-laid plans go awry. And if your normalcy bias prevents you from believing in any sudden collapse of your local world, at least you'll be eating healthy food probably for the first time in your life, and your lights will work as long as the sun comes up and the winds blow.

Whether TSHTF happens suddenly, or whether the teetering edifice of The Corporation crumbles slowly, we all will benefit by embracing the self-sufficent toolset of our great-grandfathers and retake control and provision of our own basic needs. This system we were all born into is not working because it does not live in harmony with nature and does not work towards the refinement of the human experience, so it will either collapse on its own greed and fixation with material consumption and accumulation or it will transform itself into something that provides health, comfort and allows everyone to become everything they are meant to be.

This transformation will be fueled by nature, built with a self-sufficient toolset, and inspired by living every day in a simple quality of beneficial interaction with those around us, our basic needs self-sustaining, our dependence on The Corporation long-ago banished to the shelf of failures in history. We will then have arrived at a human-centered civilization that will be our springboard to the stars.

There will never be a better time than now for us to take these steps into self-sufficiency. Better now to do it voluntarily while we still have a choice, than to wait for The Corporation and it's minions in government to fix the mess they have made over the past 15 decades or so.

Do it. Do it Now.

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The alternative please?

Just how do you think we can go back to the old ways?

Human beings will never go back to what was, unless a better way is desired, practical, easy to obtain and shown the way.

Your comments are useless criticism even though you are right.

So what was your motive for posting. Instruction? Go teach in your own neighborhood. You will have better luck changing the world if done in close proximity to your own home.
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Just sayin . . .

The paradigm that has developed during the past 150 years is collapsing before our eyes and those who do not have the self-reliant skills of our great-grandfathers probably will not survive.

There is still time to position ourselves to weather the coming storm by generating our own power, growing our own food, creating our own fuel. There is still time to convert our soon-to-be-worthless digital "paper" assets into tangible tools to facilitate our survival. But time is growing short.

The new paradigm is a more local, decentralized, self-reliant, simpler way of life, free of mindless consumption and dependence on corporations for basic human needs. Those who embrace such a way of life now will have a much better chance of surviving the coming inevitable changes.
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We have for the past 150 years or so drifted from self-sufficiency to near total dependence. As if some Declaration of Dependence was signed behind our backs, we have through four or five generations become all but totally dependent on non-human corporate entities whose primary function is not to make our lives healthier, wealthier or wise, but to reap the maximum profits from their activities regardless of the consequences to humans and the planet Earth.

In the process of giving up the self-sufficiency of our great-grandfathers we have been poisoned, drugged, brainwashed, ripped off, manipulated, swindled, coerced, deceived, spied-upon, and sent to slaughter. We have gone from growing our own fresh, healthy organic food to being dependant on levethian corporate chemical additions of toxic chemicals pleasantly-packaged and skillfully promoted for our sustenance. GMO added to preserve harmness.

For warmth and cooking and our other various convenience tools, entertainment and communication, we have become dependent on corporations to deliver the electricity than runs our world. Our transporation needs are controlled and delivered by humongous corporations. Otherwise, we walk, our voice is limited to over the next hill, and the only music we hear is that we make ourselves.

Every nook and most crannies of our lives, especially the most basic survival needs, are entangled in dependence on these non-human entities that have come to be known as multi-national corporations owned primarily by a relatively small group of elite banking and industrial families who thrive on the power of financial domination and political control, often to the detriment of society and nature.

Over these past four or five generations, our worlds have been taken under control by The Corporation, while we the people have been boonswoggled into believing that our best interests are being served by those who make the big decisions. We no longer rely upon ourselves and our neighbors. We are under control by powers beyond our choices and we are vulnerable to the whims of nature and The Powers That Be.

Westernized Civilization is teetering on the brink of it's own excesses and we remain constantly less than a week from chaos should The Corporation's production and distribution channels be disrupted by financial collapse or cataclysmic natural events. Since we've lost the basic suvival skills of our great-grandfathers, and our water and food supplies are no longer found at our local corporate outlet, food crisis will develop in a matter of hours. Some neighbors may shed their veneers of civilization as their children experience hunger for the first time while the urban and suburban regions descend into precarious and sudden disorder. As the civil engineering infrastructure breaks down, those living in densely-populated areas will quickly find themselves living in desperate circumstances as water distribution and sanition processes squeel to a halt. This all a result of the near-complete dependence on the system The Corporation has designed.

This Great Mutation from self-sufficiency to dependence that has developed during the past few generations has left our freedoms and opportunities vulnerable to systemic collapse and threatens to send us all back to where this age began. And that in itself is not a bad thing. In fact it is a good thing--and a necessary thing because this top-heavy, lop-sided, wasteful, profit-driven, inequitable system that has evolved over the past few generations, or that has been built, is not working to the benefit of most people, but for the benefit of the few while nature coughs and chokes on the fumes of The Corporation.

Fortunately, change is coming. Ready or not, things are going to change. At the other end of this tranformation a better world awaits. Between here and there we the people will face many challenges, some sudden, some more gradual, that will put our living skills, our survival skills, to the test. Now would be a good time to take stock of our situation, determine our dependencies, and gain the skills and knowledge to necessary to break those chains The Corporation has lured us into so we will depend only on ourselves and immediate neighbors for our basic needs of food, water and shelter.

In these precarious financial times, the best investment is in those things that would fulfill Buckminster Fuller's definition of wealth: the number of days of forward survival. A garden and canning skills, greenhouse, solar panels, windmill and good batteries will ensure the least disruption should The Corporation's best-laid plans go awry. And if your normalcy bias prevents you from believing in any sudden collapse of your local world, at least you'll be eating healthy food probably for the first time in your life, and your lights will work as long as the sun comes up and the winds blow.

Whether TSHTF happens suddenly, or whether the teetering edifice of The Corporation crumbles slowly, we all will benefit by embracing the self-sufficent toolset of our great-grandfathers and retake control and provision of our own basic needs. This system we were all born into is not working because it does not live in harmony with nature and does not work towards the refinement of the human experience, so it will either collapse on its own greed and fixation with material consumption and accumulation or it will transform itself into something that provides health, comfort and allows everyone to become everything they are meant to be.

This transformation will be fueled by nature, built with a self-sufficient toolset, and inspired by living every day in a simple quality of beneficial interaction with those around us, our basic needs self-sustaining, our dependence on The Corporation long-ago banished to the shelf of failures in history. We will then have arrived at a human-centered civilization that will be our springboard to the stars.

There will never be a better time than now for us to take these steps into self-sufficiency. Better now to do it voluntarily while we still have a choice, than to wait for The Corporation and it's minions in government to fix the mess they have made over the past 15 decades or so.

Do it. Do it Now.

--Durango
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clappa Well said! ohyeah
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The alternative please?

Just how do you think we can go back to the old ways?

Human beings will never go back to what was, unless a better way is desired, practical, easy to obtain and shown the way.

Your comments are useless criticism even though you are right.

So what was your motive for posting. Instruction? Go teach in your own neighborhood. You will have better luck changing the world if done in close proximity to your own home.

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We CAN go back to "the old ways". I moved from the city to the country. I am on a lake and have hundreds of thousands of water on my own property in private lakes. I have three wells. I canned over 800 jars this year, I make my own bread, I have hens, I buy meat from local ranchers.

The average income in this county is very low but when you have ample ability to grow your food along with hunting and fishing, it doesn't take a lot to pay for electricity and a little land - modest home.

The choice is more about greed than anything. People want more material things and so they remain chained to the cities where that can entrap them very quickly should any problem arise be it natural disaster or anything else. If the supply chain is interrupted, things will turn ugly quickly.
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The alternative please?

Just how do you think we can go back to the old ways?

Human beings will never go back to what was, unless a better way is desired, practical, easy to obtain and shown the way.

Your comments are useless criticism even though you are right.

So what was your motive for posting. Instruction? Go teach in your own neighborhood. You will have better luck changing the world if done in close proximity to your own home.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1463605


We CAN go back to "the old ways". I moved from the city to the country. I am on a lake and have hundreds of thousands of water on my own property in private lakes. I have three wells. I canned over 800 jars this year, I make my own bread, I have hens, I buy meat from local ranchers.

The average income in this county is very low but when you have ample ability to grow your food along with hunting and fishing, it doesn't take a lot to pay for electricity and a little land - modest home.

The choice is more about greed than anything. People want more material things and so they remain chained to the cities where that can entrap them very quickly should any problem arise be it natural disaster or anything else. If the supply chain is interrupted, things will turn ugly quickly.
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Gee, lucky you.
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Easier said than done.
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Here is the reason for the corporations to get you dependent:

As a people we must start thinking for ourselves, we must stop depending on government to house us, give us jobs, provide food, energy and water. As Americans we have a heritage of independence but I'm afraid we have lost our way and have become dependent upon the state. I read a story awhile back in the book “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. It goes something like this: There was a farmer who noticed a lot of ducks on his farm and hungered for a duck dinner. But, every time he tried to catch one of the ducks they flew away. Finally he got smart and started leaving bits of food around. The ducks started eating the free food and therefore started becoming fat. The farmer started trailing the food to an area with a trap door and eventually the ducks became so tame that they just followed the food right into the trap. So the farmer was able to have a duck dinner anytime he wanted.

We have to learn from this lesson that cheap energy, free food or housing that is given by or supplemented by the state can be taken by the state. To really be free we have to strive, innovate, create, and just say NO to the trail of crumbs that leads to the trap. Living Off-Grid and independently is the way to avoid becoming someone's duck dinner!

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I am afraid They will come to destroy and take what little I have, in my humble woodlot.

Nay, I'm not "afraid". I am expectant.

It's a given, They have written it out in volumes of statutes and mandates, authorised and empowered by small cadres of Dark Souls.

They will come. They will come violently screaming at me to submit to their ways of bondage. They will most likely kill me and those few I love.

I will greet them with a knowing smile.

There is nothing 'Self-Reliant' in this world worth fighting for anymore.

It is Done.
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Hi Op, please look at my thread on Cuba, if only for a little inspiration and some hope:

Thread: How Cuba overcame its economic downturn
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The alternative please?

Just how do you think we can go back to the old ways?

Human beings will never go back to what was, unless a better way is desired, practical, easy to obtain and shown the way.

Your comments are useless criticism even though you are right.

So what was your motive for posting. Instruction? Go teach in your own neighborhood. You will have better luck changing the world if done in close proximity to your own home.

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If one person who reads this post choses to alter all or part of their depandant lifestyle then it was well worth the time to write it up and provide the thought provoking perspective. So I would argue that it is not criticism.... its a voice to which is of the few.

Not doggin on ya... just adding my thoughts.....
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Just sayin . . .

The paradigm that has developed during the past 150 years is collapsing before our eyes and those who do not have the self-reliant skills of our great-grandfathers probably will not survive.

There is still time to position ourselves to weather the coming storm by generating our own power, growing our own food, creating our own fuel. There is still time to convert our soon-to-be-worthless digital "paper" assets into tangible tools to facilitate our survival. But time is growing short.

The new paradigm is a more local, decentralized, self-reliant, simpler way of life, free of mindless consumption and dependence on corporations for basic human needs. Those who embrace such a way of life now will have a much better chance of surviving the coming inevitable changes.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


If one is self reliant that means they are not providing profit and security to others, and not generating taxes so of course self reliance is not welcomed by the corporate govt axis of fascism.
The efficiency that govt speaks of is the efficiency of controlling your every action and extracting steady stream of the value of your labour.
The self reliant person has become the ultimate terrorist to the ptb, the one that neither provides reliable profit or obediance and all effort will be made to exterminate him
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Self-reliance, while TPTB pollute your air, soil and water.
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Just sayin . . .

The paradigm that has developed during the past 150 years is collapsing before our eyes and those who do not have the self-reliant skills of our great-grandfathers probably will not survive.

There is still time to position ourselves to weather the coming storm by generating our own power, growing our own food, creating our own fuel. There is still time to convert our soon-to-be-worthless digital "paper" assets into tangible tools to facilitate our survival. But time is growing short.

The new paradigm is a more local, decentralized, self-reliant, simpler way of life, free of mindless consumption and dependence on corporations for basic human needs. Those who embrace such a way of life now will have a much better chance of surviving the coming inevitable changes.
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OP........ I am with you on this, but you know as well as I do that the vast majority are not willing to do what needs to be done for them to become more self-reliant. Much easier to say it can't be done and hope things will change. It is also true that the vast majority do not have the knowledge base to do it and lack the drive to learn what they need to.

My wife and i did it. Took a lot of planning and work, but we could see this coming 25 years ago and started working towards being self-sufficient.

People don't like change and most are so afraid of it that they will just stay and do what they have been doing until everything crashes down around them. Then they will be looking for others to bail them out.............
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We are probably living peak mankind. The last 100 years or so saw a complication of the system. This will not go on indefinitely. It's like driving a car at maximum speed forever. The millions of bureaucrats will resist any change because it's a threat to their unthreatened safety. They are probably too stupid or busy to see dynamics outside their static system. They will be responsible for billions of deaths when we retreat to population levels not seen since the 19th century.

Here's how I think about this ---> Thread: The Dark Ages were a blessing for humanity
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OP........ I am with you on this, but you know as well as I do that the vast majority are not willing to do what needs to be done for them to become more self-reliant. Much easier to say it can't be done and hope things will change. It is also true that the vast majority do not have the knowledge base to do it and lack the drive to learn what they need to.

My wife and i did it. Took a lot of planning and work, but we could see this coming 25 years ago and started working towards being self-sufficient.

People don't like change and most are so afraid of it that they will just stay and do what they have been doing until everything crashes down around them. Then they will be looking for others to bail them out.............
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Unfortunately, you are correct about the vast majority. Most are clueless while they live in their comfortable fantasyland, entertained by "reality" shows, medicated by the medical establishment, brainwashed by the MSM--completely oblivious to the slow-motion train wreck going on all around them. And they are the ones who will be stunned, helpless, and vulnerable when TSHTF. They'll be lucky if they last two weeks into it.

But I'm sure there are some who in their quiet moments see what's coming and wonder what they should do. Those with sufficient resources should ASAP obtain a few acres, set up solar/wind/hydro power, put up a greenhouse/garden, learn canning, secure an independent water source, provide for their personal security, patronize local businesses and resources, and essentially disengage themselves from the global corporate system as much as possible, and do it now. Then let come what may. These are the people who will be left to rebuild from the collapse when the dust settles.
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OP........ I am with you on this, but you know as well as I do that the vast majority are not willing to do what needs to be done for them to become more self-reliant. Much easier to say it can't be done and hope things will change. It is also true that the vast majority do not have the knowledge base to do it and lack the drive to learn what they need to.

My wife and i did it. Took a lot of planning and work, but we could see this coming 25 years ago and started working towards being self-sufficient.

People don't like change and most are so afraid of it that they will just stay and do what they have been doing until everything crashes down around them. Then they will be looking for others to bail them out.............
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Unfortunately, you are correct about the vast majority. Most are clueless while they live in their comfortable fantasyland, entertained by "reality" shows, medicated by the medical establishment, brainwashed by the MSM--completely oblivious to the slow-motion train wreck going on all around them. And they are the ones who will be stunned, helpless, and vulnerable when TSHTF. They'll be lucky if they last two weeks into it.

But I'm sure there are some who in their quiet moments see what's coming and wonder what they should do. Those with sufficient resources should ASAP obtain a few acres, set up solar/wind/hydro power, put up a greenhouse/garden, learn canning, secure an independent water source, provide for their personal security, patronize local businesses and resources, and essentially disengage themselves from the global corporate system as much as possible, and do it now. Then let come what may. These are the people who will be left to rebuild from the collapse when the dust settles.
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And who will provide security for such idyllic setting?
Obtain property? Why? It's not yours, it's the banks, it's the govt's. Forever. Plant what? It's not enough and it needs outsiders to regulate and tax it and pass judgment if you can use it or trade it. Whatcha gonna do for money while youre running your little eden? Since youre the only one doing this in your neighbourhood what will keep the envious out of your melon patch?
Your fantasy only works in a polite and respectful society that you choose for yourself and are left alone in. See one of those anywhere near you?
To be self reliant you first have to dispense with all those that make claims against you or your labour.
Good luck, you wont be allowed do it, but it's a nice fantasy in times such as these
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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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There are more and more people doing this getting off grid
trying to be more self suffient maybee because of neccesity
maybee because of ideals and maybee because of fear.

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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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What do you do if cow gets sick?
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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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What do you do if cow gets sick?
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Then it will be feta cheese.. tounge

Better to have a cow and a bull to make more cows. You are right. hayseed
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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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What do you do if cow gets sick?
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Then it will be feta cheese.. tounge

Better to have a cow and a bull to make more cows. You are right. hayseed
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I'm touching upon the need for medical professionals for our animals and ourselves.
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I've wanted to live like that but my husband lives in another world than I do. He's in denial. His denial will probably be my demise.
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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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What do you do if cow gets sick?
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Then it will be feta cheese.. tounge

Better to have a cow and a bull to make more cows. You are right. hayseed
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But what when someone comes for the milk, cheese and livestock and leaves you with naught?
All these fantasy solution ignore one thing: That self sufficiency is not to be allowed by those that profit from forcing you into providing cash-flow?
Please point out anything that suggests that tptb want people to be self suffieicnt. All they want is for you to earn and to purchase, not to make or conserve.
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All we need is a 40 liter cow to survive. You can drink milk and eat cheese! Let's go..

cow
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What do you do if cow gets sick?
 Quoting: redlicorice


Then it will be feta cheese.. tounge

Better to have a cow and a bull to make more cows. You are right. hayseed
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But what when someone comes for the milk, cheese and livestock and leaves you with naught?
All these fantasy solution ignore one thing: That self sufficiency is not to be allowed by those that profit from forcing you into providing cash-flow?
Please point out anything that suggests that tptb want people to be self suffieicnt. All they want is for you to earn and to purchase, not to make or conserve.
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Ok I understand. There will be probably not enough food to feed other people. Including doctors and bureaucrats! It will be brutal and the average age will go down to 50. Like 150 years ago. You simply die when you are sick.

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TheTymeBeing  (OP)

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08/04/2011 11:42 AM
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But what when someone comes for the milk, cheese and livestock and leaves you with naught?
All these fantasy solution ignore one thing: That self sufficiency is not to be allowed by those that profit from forcing you into providing cash-flow?
Please point out anything that suggests that tptb want people to be self suffieicnt. All they want is for you to earn and to purchase, not to make or conserve.
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And how are they gonna stop someone who wants to live off the grid? If millions want to go off-grid and decouple from the system, who's gonna stop them? That's one little bit of freedom we still have, to drop out of the rat race and take our survival back into our own hands. All we gotta do is declare our own independence in our own minds, and just do it. Break the spell, wake up, and take control of our own destinies and not follow the the short-sighted idiots who have been leading us to the abyss.

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We have for the past 150 years or so drifted from self-sufficiency to near total dependence. As if some Declaration of Dependence was signed behind our backs, we have through four or five generations become all but totally dependent on non-human corporate entities whose primary function is not to make our lives healthier, wealthier or wise, but to reap the maximum profits from their activities regardless of the consequences to humans and the planet Earth.

In the process of giving up the self-sufficiency of our great-grandfathers we have been poisoned, drugged, brainwashed, ripped off, manipulated, swindled, coerced, deceived, spied-upon, and sent to slaughter. We have gone from growing our own fresh, healthy organic food to being dependant on levethian corporate chemical additions of toxic chemicals pleasantly-packaged and skillfully promoted for our sustenance. GMO added to preserve harmness.

For warmth and cooking and our other various convenience tools, entertainment and communication, we have become dependent on corporations to deliver the electricity than runs our world. Our transporation needs are controlled and delivered by humongous corporations. Otherwise, we walk, our voice is limited to over the next hill, and the only music we hear is that we make ourselves.

Every nook and most crannies of our lives, especially the most basic survival needs, are entangled in dependence on these non-human entities that have come to be known as multi-national corporations owned primarily by a relatively small group of elite banking and industrial families who thrive on the power of financial domination and political control, often to the detriment of society and nature.

Over these past four or five generations, our worlds have been taken under control by The Corporation, while we the people have been boonswoggled into believing that our best interests are being served by those who make the big decisions. We no longer rely upon ourselves and our neighbors. We are under control by powers beyond our choices and we are vulnerable to the whims of nature and The Powers That Be.

Westernized Civilization is teetering on the brink of it's own excesses and we remain constantly less than a week from chaos should The Corporation's production and distribution channels be disrupted by financial collapse or cataclysmic natural events. Since we've lost the basic suvival skills of our great-grandfathers, and our water and food supplies are no longer found at our local corporate outlet, food crisis will develop in a matter of hours. Some neighbors may shed their veneers of civilization as their children experience hunger for the first time while the urban and suburban regions descend into precarious and sudden disorder. As the civil engineering infrastructure breaks down, those living in densely-populated areas will quickly find themselves living in desperate circumstances as water distribution and sanition processes squeel to a halt. This all a result of the near-complete dependence on the system The Corporation has designed.

This Great Mutation from self-sufficiency to dependence that has developed during the past few generations has left our freedoms and opportunities vulnerable to systemic collapse and threatens to send us all back to where this age began. And that in itself is not a bad thing. In fact it is a good thing--and a necessary thing because this top-heavy, lop-sided, wasteful, profit-driven, inequitable system that has evolved over the past few generations, or that has been built, is not working to the benefit of most people, but for the benefit of the few while nature coughs and chokes on the fumes of The Corporation.

Fortunately, change is coming. Ready or not, things are going to change. At the other end of this tranformation a better world awaits. Between here and there we the people will face many challenges, some sudden, some more gradual, that will put our living skills, our survival skills, to the test. Now would be a good time to take stock of our situation, determine our dependencies, and gain the skills and knowledge to necessary to break those chains The Corporation has lured us into so we will depend only on ourselves and immediate neighbors for our basic needs of food, water and shelter.

In these precarious financial times, the best investment is in those things that would fulfill Buckminster Fuller's definition of wealth: the number of days of forward survival. A garden and canning skills, greenhouse, solar panels, windmill and good batteries will ensure the least disruption should The Corporation's best-laid plans go awry. And if your normalcy bias prevents you from believing in any sudden collapse of your local world, at least you'll be eating healthy food probably for the first time in your life, and your lights will work as long as the sun comes up and the winds blow.

Whether TSHTF happens suddenly, or whether the teetering edifice of The Corporation crumbles slowly, we all will benefit by embracing the self-sufficent toolset of our great-grandfathers and retake control and provision of our own basic needs. This system we were all born into is not working because it does not live in harmony with nature and does not work towards the refinement of the human experience, so it will either collapse on its own greed and fixation with material consumption and accumulation or it will transform itself into something that provides health, comfort and allows everyone to become everything they are meant to be.

This transformation will be fueled by nature, built with a self-sufficient toolset, and inspired by living every day in a simple quality of beneficial interaction with those around us, our basic needs self-sustaining, our dependence on The Corporation long-ago banished to the shelf of failures in history. We will then have arrived at a human-centered civilization that will be our springboard to the stars.

There will never be a better time than now for us to take these steps into self-sufficiency. Better now to do it voluntarily while we still have a choice, than to wait for The Corporation and it's minions in government to fix the mess they have made over the past 15 decades or so.

Do it. Do it Now.

--Durango
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Good Post OP and it can and must be done, if not then people get what they have earned.

For those who say that OP should stick to his own neighborhood, what a selfish thought, this forum goes out all over the world. This site is for sharing information, knowledge, skills and friendship.

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Ok I understand. There will be probably not enough food to feed other people. Including doctors and bureaucrats! It will be brutal and the average age will go down to 50. Like 150 years ago. You simply die when you are sick.

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Yeah see now, if I'm really sick I don't want to suffer through all that. Hopefully I'll have something to barter with to buy myself a merciful lethal dose of something to end it all when I decide to. I expect the drug trade will never go away.
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Ok I understand. There will be probably not enough food to feed other people. Including doctors and bureaucrats! It will be brutal and the average age will go down to 50. Like 150 years ago. You simply die when you are sick.

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150 yrs ago life expectancy was 40
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08/04/2011 11:48 AM
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You know the only way this can happen. Is if the so called "Corporation" wants it to happen.





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