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Jesus or Yeshua? Jehovah or Yahweh??

 
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Jesus or Yeshua? Jehovah or Yahweh??
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The Name of Jesus
Yeshua or Jesus, Which is More Accurate or are They Equal?

—Dan Corner, WRITES THE FOLLOWING:

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The eternal record reveals the following about the name of Jesus. Ponder these Scriptures carefully please:

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins (Mat 1:21).

Do not stop him, Jesus said. No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me (Mark 9:39).

You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Luke 1:31).

On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived (Luke 2:21).

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name (John 20:31).

Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk" (Acts 3:6).

By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see (Acts 3:16).

Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed (Acts 4:10).

Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus (Acts 4:18).

Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus (Acts 4:30).

His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go (Acts 5:40).

But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women (Acts 8:12).

Because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 8:16).

But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus (Acts 9:27).

So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days (Acts 10:48).

Men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 15:26).

She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her (Acts 16:18).

On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:5).

When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor (Acts 19:17).

Then Paul answered, "Why are you weeping and breaking my heart? I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus" (Acts 21:13).

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: (1 Cor 1:2).

I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought (1 Cor 1:10).

When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present (1 Cor 5:4).

And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God (1 Cor 6:11).

always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ (Eph 5:20).

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (Phil 2:10).

And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him (Col 3:17).

We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Th 1:12).

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us (2 Th 3:6).

Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that confess his name (Heb 13:15).

And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ
, and to love one another as he commanded us (1 John 3:23).

To the millions of people that have been saved, healed and delivered from sin, sickness and demons because of the precious name of Jesus these aforementioned types of attacks on the Savior's name are most disturbing. I for one am no longer passive about this as I once was. At least many, if not all, Yeshua people are spreading amazing lies, fabrications and misinformation about the name that makes demons shudder and brings salvation and therefore they need to be corrected and opposed.

For The Record
• Jesus is not derived from the pagan source of Isus.
• Jesus is not a false name.
• Jesus is not of pagan origins.
• Jesus is not a false name for Messiah.
• Jesus is not a twice-removed translation of the name.
• Jesus is not merely a name used by boastful Christians who killed Jews.
• Jesus is not being used for the sake of (antitorah, antijewish) tradition.
• There is no emphasis in the Bible to restore to the Savior His Jewish identity.
• Jesus is the only name in which salvation is found (Acts 4:12).
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Approximately 20 years ago, I first started to notice the word Yeshua being used in place of the name Jesus. As far as I can remember, back then, I had never heard anyone using the Hebraic word, Yeshua, even suggest that Jesus is not correct. They used these as though they were both equally correct to identify Messiah, the Savior from Nazareth. That seemingly equal status, however, that I thought existed has drastically changed over the years as the following emails we have received will prove. Furthermore, the same type of materials are found on the world wide web and therefore there is much misinformation being circulated about the term Yeshua, as well as the precious holy saving name of Jesus. Please notice the following emails:

Good to hear from you, and hopefully you are reading and learning the Hebraic ways of G-d. Yeshua is the recognized Hebraic name for the one who never left Israel, or ever taught outside of his land of birth. "Jesus," is of Greek origin, and in actuality derived from the pagan source of Isus ....

Instead of the false name "Jesus," which evidence suggests has pagan origins, I use Messiah's actual Hebrew name, Yeshua/Yahshua (Yay-shoo-ah or Yah-shoo-ah).

The name of Messiah is a separate issue, since we know FOR CERTAIN that his name is NOT "Jesus"; thus, a false name for Messiah is DEFINITELY being knowingly promoted. I use "Yeshua" and "Yahshua" interchangeably (capital emphasis in original).

If we read no further, it should now be apparent that at least some of the people who use Yeshua look down on, to say the least, the usage of Jesus. To them it has pagan roots and is a false name! To such Jesus is not Messiah!

Next we have the following question and supplied answer from the web:

Question: Where did the name "Jesus" come from if his real name is Yeshua?

[Answer] The Bible was not written in English. What we read in English today are translations from other languages. The "New Testament" was written in Greek. Hence, the name "Jesus" is found nowhere in the Scriptures—it is a translation of the Greek name "Iesous" (pronounced "[ee]yeh-sooce"). "Iesous" came over into the Latin "Jesu" (pronounced "yehsoo") and finally into English as "Jesus." So in the most technical sense, saying "Jesus" is saying a twice-removed translation of the name we find in the "New Testament" Scriptures (emphasis in original).

So now we are presented with another attack on the holy name of Jesus. Again, this person is teaching:

"Iesous" came over into the Latin "Jesu" (pronounced "yehsoo") and finally into English as "Jesus." So in the most technical sense, saying "Jesus" is saying a twice-removed translation of the name we find in the "New Testament" Scriptures.

Anyone with even a most basic understanding of the New Testament Scriptures and how the original Greek language was translated into English knows the fallacy of the above authoritative declaration. In contrast to what some so-called Messianic Jews are teaching, our English translation of the New Testament did NOT come from the Hebrew or the Latin! The New Testament was translated directly from the Greek and the Old Testament directly from the Hebrew and Aramaic. Hence, our English NT translation is not a twice-removed translation of the name or anything else. The same source went on and wrote about what they call the evolution of the name of Jesus from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English. Sometimes rubbish, like that statement, is found on the web, so beware dear reader. It seems that these present-day Yeshua people are similar to Paul before he became a Christian, who stated that at that time I too was convinced that I ought to do all that was possible to oppose the name of Jesus of Nazareth (Acts 26:9).

Shockingly, on one of these Yeshua sites, the following is given for Matt. 1:20,21, but without mentioning what version:

Yosef (Joseph), son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit). She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua because he will save his people from their sins. Mattityahu (Matthew) 1:20b-21

Notice that Yeshua was used in the place of Jesus! How some of these Messianic people seemingly hate the name of Jesus is amazing.

The following is from another email:

I would very much like to use your article entitled ... on my web site. However, I would like to change Jesus to Yeshua, and Christ to Messiah in it. I am Jewish trying to reach my people, and the Greek name turns them off because of all the evil done in our Saviour's name. I will not change anything else, just the names. If this will be ok with you please let me know? It's a great article, thank you.

I wrote that person back about some of the things Yeshua people have written to us. Her response follows:

You are surely right about many messianics who think the names [sic] of Jesus is wrong, but we do not believe this, nor do we teach this junk. Jesus was a Jew, and as a Jew his name was a Hebrew name. I am sure His mother Mariam (Mary) never called her son by a Greek name, it was Yahoshua, which = Yeshua (meaning; Salvation - God Saves). Even Simeon understood his name by his statement; "For mine eyes have seen Thy Salvation." I prayer [sic] in the name of Jesus or Yeshua, it makes no difference [to] God, it means the same thing. One in Greek and the other in Hebrew. All I am trying to do is get my people passed [sic] a name that [has] been used by boastful christians to kill them. Once they come in, most have no problem with the name. May I make the changes?

Please note, this Messianic Jew wrote:

Jesus or Yeshua, it makes no difference [to] God, it means the same thing.

So I wrote her back and said if they mean the same thing, then use Jesus as the article already reads. This caused her to lose interest. Did you notice what else she wrote:

... a name that been used by boastful christians to kill them [the Jews].

She was probably referring to what happened when the Jews were persecuted and killed during the time of Constantine in the fourth century, which is not relevant.
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Next is another email we received, which also came from material on a web site:

Why the "name" Jesus is promoting a false name (and a false Messiah) for the sake of (antitorah, antijewish) tradition?

Not only is Jesus now called a false messiah, but it is supposed to be for antijewish tradition! So this whole Yeshua thing is getting further and further from the truth. He went on to write:

"Jesus" is NOT a [sic] english translation of the hebrew name Yashua; it's A BRAND NEW NAME (early pronounced "Yeesoos," a false name with roots in greek-hellenistic Paganism)!!! This FALSITY OF "JESUS" AS THE NAME OF THE MESSIAH can be proven from the New Testament ... (capital emphasis his).

...The Angel of Yahweh commanded Joseph to name the child "Yashua." The origin of his name is in Heaven. It's not a man made name. Who on earth has the autority [sic] to rename HaShem's Messiah?

Another wrote:

... the biblical name of the biblical messiah is Yeshua not Jesus.

Then we received this email too:

Fixing our eyes on Yeshua, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down (been positioned) as the right hand of the throne of G-d. Romans 8v34. Who is the one who condemns? Yeshua Ha Mashiach is He who died, yes rather who was raised, who is as the right hand of G-d, who also intercedes for us.

No Scripture Identifies Yeshua as Messiah
Yeshua people are trying to build a case with no proof from the New Testament. Again, the New Testament was not written in Hebrew but rather in Greek and translated directly into English for our English speaking society to read. So Almighty God wanted the known Greek speaking inhabited world at that time of the first century to know the name of Messiah, which brings salvation, healing and power over demons, to be "Iesous" (or Jesus in English) and not "Yeshua." If God wanted the Jewish writers of the New Testament to use Yeshua they would have but they didn't. To say Yeshua means "salvation" is not a clear connection to the Savior from Nazareth. It doesn't identify the one who shed his blood on the cross of Calvary, rose from the dead and is coming back again, as the NT identifies Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus has the name that is above every name (Phil. 2:9). It, therefore, should be used unashamedly in our English speaking society in spite of all the lies and fabrications being spread around by Messianic Jews. It is also noteworthy to consider that Paul was a Hebrew of Hebrews (Phil. 3:5), yet wasn't off on some strange fictional concept that Iesous (Greek for the English equivalent Jesus) was inferior or of pagan roots like some Hebrews of our day that claim to believe in the Messiah of Christianity.

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Yeshua is Aramaic. Yahushuwah YHSWH (with both the u and w being an "ooo" sound) is the Hebrew.
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No Bible Verse Tells Us Messiah's Name Is Yeshua

I like to ask the Yeshua people the following: Would you please give us a Bible verse from the Hebrew Scriptures that tells us Messiah's name is Yeshua? None have ever done so or ever will since Yeshua is never found in the OT or NT in reference to Messiah. Messiah is never identified by name in the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures.
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No Bible Verse Tells Us Messiah's Name Is Yeshua

I like to ask the Yeshua people the following: Would you please give us a Bible verse from the Hebrew Scriptures that tells us Messiah's name is Yeshua? None have ever done so or ever will since Yeshua is never found in the OT or NT in reference to Messiah. Messiah is never identified by name in the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures.
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May I point out that God is going to get his glory no matter what. I have esword and I know for a fact that the Geneva Bible had his name as Iesus as there was no J in the language at the time. I have heard people speaking in tongues and the name Yeshua comes out clearly when they speak.
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Is GOD's name YEHOVAH/JEHOVAH or Yahweh?

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Jehovah or Yahweh?

While I am sure that God does not care whether we pronounce His personal Name as Jehovah or Yahweh, even the New American Standard translators admit the fact that "It is known that for many years YHWH has been transliterated as Yahweh, however no complete certainty attaches to this pronunciation" (Principles of Translation from the "Preface to the New American Standard Bible," 1997 edition). The pronunciation is a moot point.

If the vowels added later in Hebrew (200-700 AD by the Massoretes) are not the way to pronounce the Name of God, then there is nowhere that we can find the correct pronunciation. Many modernist "scholars" say that Yahweh was a local god that was elevated by the tribe of Israelites to the One God. They say Yahweh was the consort (lover) god of Baal, maybe even female! But if you say, "Jehovah" (just like when you say, "hell" instead of "sheol") people know what you are talking about: The One Personal, Invisible God of Israel and the Christian Church.

Gail Riplinger has a point. Something as clear and meaningful as this has been stripped of its significance by the generic word "LORD" or "GOD" in these specific seven instances. Just because the modern bibles (including the NKJV) changed it does not mean they IMPROVED it.

The King James translators understood, as our modernist translators do not, that there was significance in these specific seven places, where the personal name of God was referred to. They transliterated JHVH as Jehovah only in these places, for these good reasons. The modernists have once again simply decided to hide these significant points from the reader.
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The Secret Identity of Yahweh

The use of Yahweh as the name of God has always fuelled speculation and philosophical argument. YHWH, sometimes pronounced Jehovah, is taken to mean "I AM" or "I AM WHO I AM". There is also the puzzle of the rule that his mysterious real name is not to be spoken.

The identification of the goddess Asherah (Asherat) as His consort somewhere within the original Jewish faith leads to some explosive conclusions about the identity of the Jewish/Christian God of the Cosmos, the one Monotheistic God with whom we are so familiar from western religion.

But before looking at Asherah, and what she means to the identity of Yahweh, it is worth taking a look at another goddess, Ashteroth. Her significance will become evident a little later. Referred to as an "abomination" in 2 Kings, Ashteroth was an important deity in the Near East pantheons.

To the Sumerians she was IN.ANNA (Anu's beloved) and is an important character in the Sumerian Epics. To the Assyrians and Babylonians she was Ishtar; Ashtoreth was her name for the Canaanites; to the Greeks - Aphrodite; the Romans - Venus. The most important equivalent however is the Egyptian goddess Hathor, who the Greeks identified with Aphrodite. Hathor was the wife of Horus, the God of War. Hathor is identified with the symbol of the cow, and statues of her in the 26th Dynasty (572 - 525 BC) in Egypt actually depict her as a cow.

Asherah, (whose name means "she who walks in the sea") supposedly consort of the supreme god El, was also referred to as Elath (the goddess). According to the Ugarit tradition, whose clay tablets contain the earliest known alphabet, she was consort of El, and mother of seventy gods. She is also associated with Baal and is supposed to have interceded to her husband, the supreme god, on Baal's behalf, for the building of a palace - in order to grant him equal status with other gods.

In the cuniform tablets of Ras Shamrah (Circa 1400 BCE) the head of the Pantheon was El; his wife was Asherat-of-the-sea (Asherah). After El, the greatest god was Baal, son of El and Asherah. Curiously, Baal's consort is his mother, Asherah. In the Lebanon traditions Baal is equated with Jupiter.

Carvings of Asherah in Syria show her wearing Egyptian head-dress. She was also referred to later as "the cow" - a reference to her great age.

Significantly, Baalat (an important Goddess at Byblos) is depicted in carvings as having cow's horns, between which is a halo. Baalat is in fact the form of Asherah when she appears alongside Baal.

But what does this say about the identity of Yahweh? The Bible has always presented a confusing picture of Yahweh. In the light of Herzog's discoveries and conclusions that Yahweh's consort was Asherah, it deserves a closer examination.

Exodus 6:3 states "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty (El Shaddai), but by my name "I AM" was I not known to them." In the King James Version, "I AM" is translated as Jehovah (Yahweh) but means the same: "I AM". The use of "God Almighty" is a traditional translation of Shaddai, thought to have meant "Omnipotent", but arguably it could be linked to the Akkadian root word Shadu, meaning literally "mountains".

And El Shaddai is only one of the versions of God described in Genesis. El Shaddai literally translated means, "God the one of the mountains", but there was also El Olam (God the everlasting one) El Elyon (God most high) El Ro'i (God of vision).

The obvious question is, why did YHWH reveal himself to the patriarchs as El Shaddai? The answer lies in the religious traditions of Canaan, where Abraham is said to have lived for a time, and which were brought to Canaan by the Phoenicians. (In turn, the root of Phoenician religious tradition is Sumer).

God-the-one-of-the-mountains has a Sumerian equivalent. ISH.KUR, the youngest son of Enlil, means God the one of the far mountains. Ishkur was also known as Adad or Hadad in Hebrew, brother of Nannar/Sin, and was the pre-eminent God of Canaan - El-Shaddai.

According to biblical scholars who focus on the "P Source" for the old testament, Yahweh as a name is first used with Moses in Exodus, and is indicative of monolatory (exclusive worship of one of many Gods) rather than monotheism. The name Yahweh can also be translated as "I am who I am", literally a way of saying "mind your own business", a way of disguising his true identity. Yahweh does not appear until Exodus and, strangely, the god Baal is entirely absent in Genesis.

(El Shaddai is still venerated in the Jewish faith in the form of the Teffilin, one of two small leather cube-shaped cases containing Torah Texts, traditionally to be worn by males from the age of 13. The Teffilin are worn in a manner to represent the letters shin, daleth, and yod, which together form the name Shaddai.)

In Exodus 33:2 it states "And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
33:3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou [art] a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee on the way."

This Yahweh is prone to violence and seems to despise his chosen people. He is a perfect match for ISH.KUR (Hadad), whose land is occupied by the Amorites and Hittites, and is a known demonstrator of violence and contempt for his worshipers.

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the name of the Incarnated Yahweh is Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall.. and the bible is a fake freemason propaganda piece assembled by roman aristocracy and self-appointed bishops and elders of the church of rome... get a life .. by researching the returned Yahweh.. and stop promoting the teachings of the false corporatized jesus..
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Yahweh of Samaria & His Asherah

We now turn our attention to this Yahweh. Was he the God of the Israelites or a Baal god brought in from somewhere else? The postsherd above that has the Yahweh and his Asherah heifer/cow, is from Samaria circa the 8th century BC. This was a time of extreme Baal worship in that region and the heifer/cow god (Asherah) set up, one in Dan and the other in Bethel (1Kings 12:28-33). This cow worship is associated with Isis and the sexual rituals of this religion include homosexuality and beastality. For Yahweh to have his own heifer/cow and demonstrate his Baal identity as shown on the postsherd, tells us this is not the God of Israel.

The God of Isreal would not be imaged in the first place, this being forbidden, and certainly not drawn on potsherds with his thing dangling to show his prowess! There are only two other beings here, another man and a female playing a musical instrument. Neither of these are Yahweh's "Asherah." This leaves the heifer/cow as Yahweh's consort. Is it just coincident that down through the ages men have spoken of their wives as heifers and cows?

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There is no letter "J" in Hebrew. It's a latin creation and doesn't appear in the Hebrew language.

Johve or Jehove was the common name for the roman god "Jupiter." Thus, the name of Yahuweh was changed to Jehovah to maintain the worship of Jupiter via Christianity.

Yahuweh appears of 6000 times in the Tanakh, and is the MOST-used word in all of Scripture. The second most-used phrase is "My Name." Thus, the importance of the Name of Yahuweh is evidenced in its appearances as well as in the names of the prophets, priests and kings who bear his name "Eliyahu, Yeshayahu, Yirmeyahu"


Strongs 2424 2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehushua" contracted to English "Joshua") which means "Yahuweh saves" (or "Salvation comes from Yahuweh").
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Moses, YHWH and The Covenant

Some scholars believe Moses discovered YHWH through his father-in-law Jethro – a Midianite. This connection seems to be valid given the discoveries at the copper mines in Timna, south of the Dead Sea where the Midianites continued to mine after the Egyptians left. They replaced the Egyptian temple of Hathor with their own tent shrine, and Hathor sculptures were defaced or thrown out. Similar practices of shrines as tents and the banning of images are well known tenets of Israelite belief (Bright 127).

Although we can’t be sure that a god called YHWH was worshiped prior to Moses, we are certain that through the efforts of Moses “Yahwaism was completely transformed and given new content” (Bright 128). After Moses’ death, Biblical tradition states Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan. Archaeological data tells us the conquest was more gradual and less dramatic.

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Yahweh of Samaria & His Asherah

We now turn our attention to this Yahweh. Was he the God of the Israelites or a Baal god brought in from somewhere else? The postsherd above that has the Yahweh and his Asherah heifer/cow, is from Samaria circa the 8th century BC. This was a time of extreme Baal worship in that region and the heifer/cow god (Asherah) set up, one in Dan and the other in Bethel (1Kings 12:28-33). This cow worship is associated with Isis and the sexual rituals of this religion include homosexuality and beastality. For Yahweh to have his own heifer/cow and demonstrate his Baal identity as shown on the postsherd, tells us this is not the God of Israel.

The God of Isreal would not be imaged in the first place, this being forbidden, and certainly not drawn on potsherds with his thing dangling to show his prowess! There are only two other beings here, another man and a female playing a musical instrument. Neither of these are Yahweh's "Asherah." This leaves the heifer/cow as Yahweh's consort. Is it just coincident that down through the ages men have spoken of their wives as heifers and cows?

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Just to keep things clear: Samaria is not the same place as Sumeria! Samaria is where the "good Samaritan" came from.........while Sumeria is where the "Sumerian Texts" came form! Two different places.....:)
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Jewsus and Jewhova
Khazaq

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BIBLICAL PROOF THAT JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAMES

KJV Acts 7
[44] Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
[45] Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

The Jesus spoken of in this passage is Joshua the son of Nun.

Joshua is pronounced Yahshua in Hebrew. Yahshua means "Yah saves" or "Yah's salvation"

The MIssing "J" - Does the Letter "J" Exist in Hebrew, Latin, or Greek?
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I like it a great deal when people argue over mis-spellings in translations of languages which contain different characters from other languages.

For example:

It's spelled "Hommous"

NO! It's not! N00b! It's spelled "Hummus!" There's no "ou" in Arabic!



The reality is, it's spelled, in English, however the hell you want to spell it, because in Arabic it's spelled "--,\|--'"

One set of characters does not automatically have a correspondence in English, so you just spell it out phonetically, which is open to interpretation.
I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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I like it a great deal when people argue over mis-spellings in translations of languages which contain different characters from other languages.

For example:

It's spelled "Hommous"

NO! It's not! N00b! It's spelled "Hummus!" There's no "ou" in Arabic!



The reality is, it's spelled, in English, however the hell you want to spell it, because in Arabic it's spelled "--,\|--'"

One set of characters does not automatically have a correspondence in English, so you just spell it out phonetically, which is open to interpretation.
 Quoting: Greg_B.


agreed. the only thing that bugs me a little bit, is that the power in the name makes this issue important.

when calling on the name of Jesus, or the Most High God, there is power in the name, and for reasons of prayer and spiritual warfare, it is important to have them correct.

that is why i am posting this thread, in hopes that I can get some clarity and maybe bring clarity to others...
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In spanish speaking countries, it's spelled "Jesus" but pronounced "Hay Zooz"

So are all the Mexican Christians double wrong?

Or are English Christians wrong?

Or is everybody right?

I think God is powerful enough to make everyone right as long as we all know who and what we're talking about.

Nevertheless, the "Yeshua" camp are very pretensious windbags.
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Did you read what I posted, Salt?
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Did you read what I posted, Salt?
 Quoting: Khazaq


reading thru it now... sorry i had to log out for a few.
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Did you read what I posted, Salt?
 Quoting: Khazaq


good stuff. the only problem i have is the Yeshua vs Iesus. I would be more inclined to say Iesus would be more appropriate using that theory.

I do not subscribe to the idea that Joshua and Jesus are the same name.
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I'm not saying this is silly, as obviously it's important to several people. I'm pretty sure our Master can hear our prayers whatever we call Him, especially since we speak to Him in a thousand tongues. It might be analogous to straining at a gnat.

I do know that He said to pray in His name. It has given me great comfort to call my Brother, Master, Teacher, and Friend using what may be His real name. It feels very personal to call him Yeshua. For some people, saying Jesus has the same power. Who am I to challenge that?

Using the name YHWH was so sacred that a devout Orthodox Jew will throw away a pencil that has written that name down. They almost always say Adonai or Lord instead.

In the dark days to come, we can help others by our actions. I pray our lives may be an acceptable sacrifice to God. Sometimes these kind of discussion can be a great stumbling block, and do nothing to encourage others to seek Him out.
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all fake.. who cares
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all fake.. who cares
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all fake.. who cares
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:coffeeshutup:
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Truth hurts dont it bible whore
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Adonai Yahweh El Shaddai
The name of God was never lost, however, the name was purposely hidden.

Lord Yahweh God Almighty. For many years it was appropriate to say: "Well, we don't really know the correct and proper Name of God, as it has been lost, and we definitely don't know how to pronounce it." That is not true today, due to archeological finds, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and a better concept of history, and understanding of scripture and the Hebrew language. The Jews, also, are more open in admitting why the Masoretes hid the Name of God, a Name too sacred -- they believed -- for even Jews to pronounce, let alone heathen dogs. When you combine the Tetragrammaton with the vowels of "Adonai," you get a name "that cannot be pronounced!"

Not because it is too holy to speak or write, but because it is literally impossible to pronounce (in English it has been transliterated as "Jehovah"). The name "Jehovah" can be found in four places in the King James Version, but in zero places in the New King James Version. "Jehovah" is not God's name, but a man-made name that was created specifically to hide the true Name of God.

Even today, Jews consider it perfectly appropriate to say and write the name "Jehovah," as it is not considered the sacred pronounciation. Let me repeat: Jehovah is not the Name of God and it has never been. It is very improper to employ, say and/or pray Jehovah, because it is a distinctly, purposeful mispronounciation of God's Name -- it is saying God's name incorrectly, and saying it incorrectly on purpose (it is purposefully breaking both the Third Commandment, and the Ninth). Granted, when most people today employ the name Jehovah, they are not intentionally mispronouncing God's holy Name, but feel they are using it correctly, and pleasingly to God; however, the fact is, you cannot change God's Name by a popular vote of lowly humans.

Many great men and women of God have, through the tradition of men, mistakenly used the name Jehovah and held it in great esteem. This does not mean that these great men and women of God were bad people, only ignorant of the Truth. When you learn that your tradition is man-made and wrong, you repent and follow God to the best of your ability.
Even when saying the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH," the very Name of God is breathed, and with great power it is pronounced correctly.

Yahweh.

It is true, when we meet God face to Face, and speak to Him in a new language, with a new name, and a new body and spirit, we will perhaps only then pronounce His Name as He says it, properly, but then again perhaps the Name of Yahweh will always be beyond mere humans, even in a perfected state.

In English, we know the best Name is Yahweh.
In the most ancient Old Testament manuscripts, God's True Name is depicted as the Tetragrammaton, the four letters: YHWH.

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Did you read what I posted, Salt?
 Quoting: Khazaq


good stuff. the only problem i have is the Yeshua vs Iesus. I would be more inclined to say Iesus would be more appropriate using that theory.

I do not subscribe to the idea that Joshua and Jesus are the same name.
 Quoting: Salt


What I really mean is that the name of Jesus was originally Joshua, pronounced Yahshua. Yahshua and Yahweh are the names I use.
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The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies
Yeshua, Jesus, or YH-Zeus?
The Mis-Transliteration of a Greek Mis-Transliteration.

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It is most proper to call Him Yeshua; only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both "Salvation," and the concatenated form of Yahoshua, is "Lord who is Salvation." The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever.

There are many Yeshuas that we read about in Biblical text and many are confused with the Yeshua who would later become the "Christ". The name Yeshua appears 29 times in the Tanach. Yehoshua (Joshua) of Nun is called Yeshua in Nechemyah (Nehemiah) 8:17. Yeshua is the name of the Cohain HaGadol (the high priest) in the time of Zerubavel in Ezra 3:2. It is the name of a Levite under King Hizkiyah (Hezekiah) in 2 Chronicles 31:15. There is even a city called Yeshua in the negev of Yehudah in Nechemyah11:26. Yeshua is also a shortened version of the word Yehoshua much like Bill is for William.

There are 7 other Yeshuas (Jesuses) in the Brit Chadashah. There is Elymas bar Yeshua in Acts 13:6. There is an ancestor of Yeshua HaMashiach: the son of Eliezar, the father of Er in Luke 3:29. In Rav Shaul's letter to the Colossians in chapter 4, verse 11, there is a Justus called Yeshua a fellow worker of Shaul. Josephus, the famous Jewish historian mentions 20 different Yeshuas (Jesuses), 10 of which are contemporary with Yeshua HaMashiach. All together, at least 50 Yeshuas from his time plus about 9 in the Tanach have been revealed from Biblical text and other
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YaHUaH and Yahusha...








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