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OH, Really?? Rick Perry Says Social Security And Medicare Are Unconstitutional | |
| tinygreen Offer Upgrade  User ID: 427545  United States08/13/2011 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1504291 United States08/13/2011 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675Thread: We Don’t Need Another George W. Bush. By Chuck Baldwin  |
| AlasBabylon User ID: 1458028 United States08/13/2011 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a road map for my Governor to get the US out of Social Security. Phase out Social Security with refunds. Most baby boomers will still be on the SS system... refunding all of them would break the bank. Phase out SS in tiers. People retired or close to retirement [age 55+] would be on the current SS system, no refunds. People in the next 10 year tier [ages 45-54] get a choice between a refund with fixed rate of interest or current SS. The next tiers [age 44 and below] should get refunds with a sliding down interest rate. . |
| Resister User ID: 1461638 United States08/13/2011 07:46 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When originally proposed, the Social Security program was unconstitutional as the constitution did not authorize congress to require citizens to pay into a retirement system that they might never be able to collect on. The supreme court of the day warned FDR that they would rule against him on constitutional grounds. FDR however fought back by warning the supreme court that he could simply appoint more judges until he got the number he needed to rule in his favor. The Supreme realized that a move like that would render the whole judicial branch irrelevant, and FDR being a very popular president at the time, the Supreme court caved. The founding fathers never intended for a powerful central government to have the authority to take people's money and hold it for a retirement they might never see. If you don't live long enough, you will not only never see your money returned, your family will never see your money because once the federal government steals it out of your paycheck it is gone. Your money has been stolen. There is no account with your funds to draw from. It is government mandated theft and it is unconstitutional. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
| Monkeyfister User ID: 1488218 United States08/13/2011 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rick "Goodhair" Perry needs the proverbial Boot To The Head with that sort of thinking. Seventy years on (40 for Medicare), those arguments have been brought up, and decided long ago. Perry fails on this as badly as his governance of the Texas Economy: [link to www.usdebtclock.org] "I'm the bride at every funeral, I'm the corpse at every wedding..." --Brother Theodore ... and don't blame me-- I voted for Bob Barr in 2008. Only COWARDS hide behind anonymous Karma. |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They probably are. I'd rather not pay SS and manage my own retirement. (i.e. not pay for the other 50% of the population to sit around and be a bunch of entitled useless eaters) Quoting: Dildozeri agree we should not be paying for people who 'won't' work. and not being taxed and managing our own retirement funds makes good sense. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675look like it. we're in so many declared and undeclared wars right now, people would shit their pants if the knew the entire cost of it. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | O good I can't wait for the bushtards to chime in and "help" him. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1414349This should be fun.  'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: AlasBabylonHere is a road map for my Governor to get the US out of Social Security. Phase out Social Security with refunds. Most baby boomers will still be on the SS system... refunding all of them would break the bank. Phase out SS in tiers. People retired or close to retirement [age 55+] would be on the current SS system, no refunds. People in the next 10 year tier [ages 45-54] get a choice between a refund with fixed rate of interest or current SS. The next tiers [age 44 and below] should get refunds with a sliding down interest rate. . interesting concept. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When originally proposed, the Social Security program was unconstitutional as the constitution did not authorize congress to require citizens to pay into a retirement system that they might never be able to collect on. The supreme court of the day warned FDR that they would rule against him on constitutional grounds. FDR however fought back by warning the supreme court that he could simply appoint more judges until he got the number he needed to rule in his favor. The Supreme realized that a move like that would render the whole judicial branch irrelevant, and FDR being a very popular president at the time, the Supreme court caved. Quoting: ResisterThe founding fathers never intended for a powerful central government to have the authority to take people's money and hold it for a retirement they might never see. If you don't live long enough, you will not only never see your money returned, your family will never see your money because once the federal government steals it out of your paycheck it is gone. Your money has been stolen. There is no account with your funds to draw from. It is government mandated theft and it is unconstitutional. very, very true. it was rammed down the throats of the american people. want it or not. the federal reserve was theft in the night and also rammed down the throats of americans. want it or not. however, shutting down social security in one fell swoop would set many elderly americans sliding straight into poverty. it's bad enough as it is. theft by the government is an awful problem. what will they do when we have no more to steal? 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| Fleck User ID: 1500874 United States08/13/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675look like it. we're in so many declared and undeclared wars right now, people would shit their pants if the knew the entire cost of it. $700Bn/yr. "This place gives me the creeps" - Alien "Nobody wants to know about conspiracy, I don't get it!" - John Travolta, 'Blow Out'. |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675look like it. we're in so many declared and undeclared wars right now, people would shit their pants if the knew the entire cost of it. $700Bn/yr. why, thank you so much for information.  i'd go tell my mother, but then i'd have to clean her up. she probably wouldn't believe me anyway. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| ar-15 nut User ID: 1281306 United States08/13/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675look like it. we're in so many declared and undeclared wars right now, people would shit their pants if the knew the entire cost of it. Yup as a 2 time deployed vet they have no clue in 2007 i worked up in ak you would not believe the waste i saw i moved armor to and from wainwright to the rail head i forget the name of the company rebuilding strikers oh gen dinamics We are a REPUBLIC.If we can keep it MORAN! A pissed off American Veteran! |
| DK User ID: 1497668 United States08/13/2011 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But bombing the living fuck out of the 4 corners of the Earth isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504675look like it. we're in so many declared and undeclared wars right now, people would shit their pants if the knew the entire cost of it. Yup as a 2 time deployed vet they have no clue in 2007 i worked up in ak you would not believe the waste i saw i moved armor to and from wainwright to the rail head i forget the name of the company rebuilding strikers oh gen dinamics i totally believe the waste. general dymanics.  a fully fledged member of the military industrial complex.  'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For most people if they took all the monies they paid into SS and put it in a bank account by the time they were 60 they would be a millionaire. End it. Most will never see it. End it. Quoting: DK 1497668okay, end it. but what about the money people have put in it expecting to live off it when they retire, if they even can afford to retire? they should not be on the hook for the thieves in washington. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| Tod Shwarze User ID: 1394135 United States08/13/2011 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They probably are. I'd rather not pay SS and manage my own retirement. (i.e. not pay for the other 50% of the population to sit around and be a bunch of entitled useless eaters) Quoting: Dildozeri agree we should not be paying for people who 'won't' work. and not being taxed and managing our own retirement funds makes good sense. Definately clearly unconstitutional, theft from one for anothers benefit, If it were constitutional it wouldnt be fukkking broke right now. Nature is all about earning and preparing. |
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| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone knows that perry is the bush family lapdog. Quoting: tinygreenI call  Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman for Texas when he ran against Bush. A Demoncrat! haHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! are you from texas? have you read texas news? i'll go find you a pic of them together, just the bestest of buddies. do you thing tptb care what side of the imaginary line they pick from? 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tkwasny User ID: 1487214 United States08/13/2011 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone knows that perry is the bush family lapdog. he's been groomed and petted and is preparing to make a run for president. Quoting: tinygreenour choices will be shit. this is what the linked site says about perry. i'd like to hear your views. [link to www.readersupportednews.org] Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) has, to say the least, a very odd understanding of the Constitution. He thinks Texas should be able to opt out of Social Security, and he believes that everything from federal public school programs to clean air laws are unconstitutional. Yet in an interview with the Daily Beast’s Andrew Romano, Perry makes his most outlandish claim to date — Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional: The Constitution says that “the Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes… to provide for the… general Welfare of the United States.” But I noticed that when you quoted this section on page 116, you left “general welfare” out and put an ellipsis in its place. Progressives would say that “general welfare” includes things like Social Security or Medicare—that it gives the government the flexibility to tackle more than just the basic responsibilities laid out explicitly in our founding document. What does “general welfare” mean to you? It is mentioned in The Law of Nations by Vattel four times. This was one of the primary documents used to frame the Constitution. In all four of those references, never does it imply provide materials or funding directly to individuals. Instead, general welfare is used in the context of unity. [link to www.constitution.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 831016 Canada08/13/2011 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They probably are. I'd rather not pay SS and manage my own retirement. (i.e. not pay for the other 50% of the population to sit around and be a bunch of entitled useless eaters) Quoting: Dildozeri agree we should not be paying for people who 'won't' work. and not being taxed and managing our own retirement funds makes good sense. Definately clearly unconstitutional, theft from one for anothers benefit, If it were constitutional it wouldnt be fukkking broke right now. Nature is all about earning and preparing. We haven't been under the constitution since the emergency power act presidential order in 1938 put us under UCC. What we have all been taught is a sham. |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone knows that perry is the bush family lapdog. Quoting: tinygreenI call Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman for Texas when he ran against Bush. A Demoncrat! haHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! are you from texas? have you read texas news? i'll go find you a pic of them together, just the bestest of buddies. do you thing tptb care what side of the imaginary line they pick from? go ahead, check out this link. [link to images.search.yahoo.com] 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They probably are. I'd rather not pay SS and manage my own retirement. (i.e. not pay for the other 50% of the population to sit around and be a bunch of entitled useless eaters) Quoting: Dildozeri agree we should not be paying for people who 'won't' work. and not being taxed and managing our own retirement funds makes good sense. Definately clearly unconstitutional, theft from one for anothers benefit, If it were constitutional it wouldnt be fukkking broke right now. Nature is all about earning and preparing. We haven't been under the constitution since the emergency power act presidential order in 1938 put us under UCC. What we have all been taught is a sham. you are absolutely correct. here's a flower, it's all i can give you.  'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
| AlasBabylon User ID: 1458028 United States08/13/2011 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: AlasBabylonHere is a road map for my Governor to get the US out of Social Security. Phase out Social Security with refunds. Most baby boomers will still be on the SS system... refunding all of them would break the bank. Phase out SS in tiers. People retired or close to retirement [age 55+] would be on the current SS system, no refunds. People in the next 10 year tier [ages 45-54] get a choice between a refund with fixed rate of interest or current SS. The next tiers [age 44 and below] should get refunds with a sliding down interest rate. . interesting concept. Thanks :) My former employer did something similar when it phased out it's defined benefit plan. . |
| AlasBabylon User ID: 1458028 United States08/13/2011 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone knows that perry is the bush family lapdog. Quoting: tinygreenI call Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman for Texas when he ran against Bush. A Demoncrat! haHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! are you from texas? have you read texas news? i'll go find you a pic of them together, just the bestest of buddies. do you thing tptb care what side of the imaginary line they pick from? A little history lesson: Once upon a time almost all Texans were Democrats... it was the Southern response to the horrors of radical Republican Reconstruction after the Civil War. When Dixiecrats bit the dust... and the mores of the Democratic Party became too liberal, Texans and other Southerners left the Democratic Party in droves. . |
| Catnip User ID: 1504731 United States08/13/2011 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They probably are. I'd rather not pay SS and manage my own retirement. (i.e. not pay for the other 50% of the population to sit around and be a bunch of entitled useless eaters) Quoting: DildozerThose useless eaters worked for 40 years or more and paid into Social Security. It's NOT the government's money, it's the workers money. Social Security is not an entitlement program. It's paid for by workers out of their paychecks. Come back and tell me when your in your late 60s or early 70s how tired you are from working all your life and how you would like to "sit around and be ... a useless eater." "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" |
| tinygreen (OP) User ID: 427545 United States08/13/2011 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | everyone knows that perry is the bush family lapdog. Quoting: tinygreenI call Perry was Al Gore's campaign chairman for Texas when he ran against Bush. A Demoncrat! haHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! are you from texas? have you read texas news? i'll go find you a pic of them together, just the bestest of buddies. do you thing tptb care what side of the imaginary line they pick from? A little history lesson: Once upon a time almost all Texans were Democrats... it was the Southern response to the horrors of radical Republican Reconstruction after the Civil War. When Dixiecrats bit the dust... and the mores of the Democratic Party became too liberal, Texans and other Southerners left the Democratic Party in droves. . ah, history. very true also. politics turn on a dime and so do aliegences. many changes happen and without study, no one remembers what has happened. too often, history is written by the winner, not the tellers of truth. thank you so much for your imput. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
