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CANCER IS A LIE ; IT DOES N'T EXIST

 
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[link to anitamoorjani.com]

Its a spiritual condition?
This lady claims she was cured
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Neither can the rest of your body's cells.....nor an acidic one for the matter.
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You use a pic of a gay, you are a gay?
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You use a pic like a gay, you are a gay, Cahill?
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You use a avatar like a gay, you are a gay, Cahill??
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And being Brazilian makes you of indeterminate sex?
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What do you mean???
I'm a male and proud of this.
But I believe that the avatar or picture that you chose is gay, is eonist, maybe I'm wrong...
If you are gay, you are sick, thats the reason that I want know, because gay adore shit, gay are coprolagnist! So, if you are gay, it makes clear what you are doing defending medical agenda.
In my opinion, who defends medical agenda is a saboteur of health.
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My avatar's as representative of me as those posters who have cartoons are for them.
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I will bet you the deeds to my house there isn't.
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Keep the body alkaline. Cancer cannot live in an alkaline environment.
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Neither can the rest of your body's cells.....nor an acidic one for the matter.
 Quoting: Cahill


The body does perfectly fine in an alkaline environment. Keeping the body between a 7-8 ph is healthy. Most people are a 5 on the ph scale which is acid and that is when problems happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If your body had a pH of 5 you would be dead. Period.

Your body keeps itself in a very tight pH range of 7.35-7.45 and this is measured by blood pH. Anything outside of this range is bad and is generally linked with diabetes, severe heart & lung problems or other organ failures. Although you can also have transient alkalosis/acidosis with severe bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea.
If you're talking about urine pH then yes, this has a very variable pH but what you have to remember is than urine helps the body maintain a stable pH by flushing alkalis or acids out of the body. Urine pH bears no relationship whatsoever to body, tissue or intra-cellular pH.

[link to www.labtestsonline.org.uk]
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Keep the body alkaline. Cancer cannot live in an alkaline environment.
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Neither can the rest of your body's cells.....nor an acidic one for the matter.
 Quoting: Cahill


The body does perfectly fine in an alkaline environment. Keeping the body between a 7-8 ph is healthy. Most people are a 5 on the ph scale which is acid and that is when problems happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If your body had a pH of 5 you would be dead. Period.

Your body keeps itself in a very tight pH range of 7.35-7.45 and this is measured by blood pH. Anything outside of this range is bad and is generally linked with diabetes, severe heart & lung problems or other organ failures. Although you can also have transient alkalosis/acidosis with severe bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea.
If you're talking about urine pH then yes, this has a very variable pH but what you have to remember is than urine helps the body maintain a stable pH by flushing alkalis or acids out of the body. Urine pH bears no relationship whatsoever to body, tissue or intra-cellular pH.

[link to www.labtestsonline.org.uk]
 Quoting: Cahill


I am not talking about blood ph. I am talking about the tissue ph which can be measured by urine. And it does make a difference. I know that mine and many of my friends health has improved dramatically by becoming alkaline.

The blood takes care of its own ph by leaching calcium from the bones when the body ph is too acid. When the body ph is alkaline it doesn't have to leach the calcium from the bones to keep the blood where it should be. No more brittle bones. And the body doesn't have to coat the arteries with so much cholesterol to protect them against acid eating through them.

The easiest way to keep the body(not blood) ph alkaline is to take 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in water morning and evening. Get some urine test strips and make sure the ph is between a 7 and 8. This could also be done by a diet of fruits and vegetables but most people don't enough of them. Plus the stress we are under these days makes us acid very fast.

It makes sense that getting the body ph up makes a big difference since most people feel so much better eating more alkaline producing foods. Plus by raising alkalinity a friend of mine is cancer free. He kept having problems and finally started taking baking soda and a few months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health. He also was eating more alkaline forming foods as well.

And if tissue/urine ph didn't matter then it wouldn't matter how we eat. But it does. Too much acid forming foods will lead to ill health for us.
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Neither can the rest of your body's cells.....nor an acidic one for the matter.
 Quoting: Cahill


The body does perfectly fine in an alkaline environment. Keeping the body between a 7-8 ph is healthy. Most people are a 5 on the ph scale which is acid and that is when problems happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If your body had a pH of 5 you would be dead. Period.

Your body keeps itself in a very tight pH range of 7.35-7.45 and this is measured by blood pH. Anything outside of this range is bad and is generally linked with diabetes, severe heart & lung problems or other organ failures. Although you can also have transient alkalosis/acidosis with severe bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea.
If you're talking about urine pH then yes, this has a very variable pH but what you have to remember is than urine helps the body maintain a stable pH by flushing alkalis or acids out of the body. Urine pH bears no relationship whatsoever to body, tissue or intra-cellular pH.

[link to www.labtestsonline.org.uk]
 Quoting: Cahill


I am not talking about blood ph. I am talking about the tissue ph which can be measured by urine. And it does make a difference. I know that mine and many of my friends health has improved dramatically by becoming alkaline.

The blood takes care of its own ph by leaching calcium from the bones when the body ph is too acid. When the body ph is alkaline it doesn't have to leach the calcium from the bones to keep the blood where it should be. No more brittle bones. And the body doesn't have to coat the arteries with so much cholesterol to protect them against acid eating through them.

The easiest way to keep the body(not blood) ph alkaline is to take 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in water morning and evening. Get some urine test strips and make sure the ph is between a 7 and 8. This could also be done by a diet of fruits and vegetables but most people don't enough of them. Plus the stress we are under these days makes us acid very fast.

It makes sense that getting the body ph up makes a big difference since most people feel so much better eating more alkaline producing foods. Plus by raising alkalinity a friend of mine is cancer free. He kept having problems and finally started taking baking soda and a few months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health. He also was eating more alkaline forming foods as well.

And if tissue/urine ph didn't matter then it wouldn't matter how we eat. But it does. Too much acid forming foods will lead to ill health for us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Seriously, urine pH is only a valid measurement for kidney disease. Urine is what the body gets rid of because it doesn't need it.
What takes all of the nutrients to the body's tissues? Is it urine or blood?
Yes, it's blood. Therefore it makes sense that the blood pH is an indication of what pH the tissues are likely to be.
The only part of the body eating can affect pH levels is in the digestive tract. However, in physiological terms, this is deemed to be "outside of the body". Anything which passes through into the bloodstream and then into the tissues will have a neutral pH (actually it will have a pH of between 7.35 and 7.45). Anything too alkaline or acidic will be flushed away as the body CANNOT use it.
You can change your urine pH almost at will by eating certain foods.

I'll say it again (and this is based on my having a degree in human bio-physiology) urine Ph is not an indicator of tissue pH.
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The body does perfectly fine in an alkaline environment. Keeping the body between a 7-8 ph is healthy. Most people are a 5 on the ph scale which is acid and that is when problems happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If your body had a pH of 5 you would be dead. Period.

Your body keeps itself in a very tight pH range of 7.35-7.45 and this is measured by blood pH. Anything outside of this range is bad and is generally linked with diabetes, severe heart & lung problems or other organ failures. Although you can also have transient alkalosis/acidosis with severe bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea.
If you're talking about urine pH then yes, this has a very variable pH but what you have to remember is than urine helps the body maintain a stable pH by flushing alkalis or acids out of the body. Urine pH bears no relationship whatsoever to body, tissue or intra-cellular pH.

[link to www.labtestsonline.org.uk]
 Quoting: Cahill


I am not talking about blood ph. I am talking about the tissue ph which can be measured by urine. And it does make a difference. I know that mine and many of my friends health has improved dramatically by becoming alkaline.

The blood takes care of its own ph by leaching calcium from the bones when the body ph is too acid. When the body ph is alkaline it doesn't have to leach the calcium from the bones to keep the blood where it should be. No more brittle bones. And the body doesn't have to coat the arteries with so much cholesterol to protect them against acid eating through them.

The easiest way to keep the body(not blood) ph alkaline is to take 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in water morning and evening. Get some urine test strips and make sure the ph is between a 7 and 8. This could also be done by a diet of fruits and vegetables but most people don't enough of them. Plus the stress we are under these days makes us acid very fast.

It makes sense that getting the body ph up makes a big difference since most people feel so much better eating more alkaline producing foods. Plus by raising alkalinity a friend of mine is cancer free. He kept having problems and finally started taking baking soda and a few months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health. He also was eating more alkaline forming foods as well.

And if tissue/urine ph didn't matter then it wouldn't matter how we eat. But it does. Too much acid forming foods will lead to ill health for us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Seriously, urine pH is only a valid measurement for kidney disease. Urine is what the body gets rid of because it doesn't need it.
What takes all of the nutrients to the body's tissues? Is it urine or blood?
Yes, it's blood. Therefore it makes sense that the blood pH is an indication of what pH the tissues are likely to be.
The only part of the body eating can affect pH levels is in the digestive tract. However, in physiological terms, this is deemed to be "outside of the body". Anything which passes through into the bloodstream and then into the tissues will have a neutral pH (actually it will have a pH of between 7.35 and 7.45). Anything too alkaline or acidic will be flushed away as the body CANNOT use it.
You can change your urine pH almost at will by eating certain foods.

I'll say it again (and this is based on my having a degree in human bio-physiology) urine Ph is not an indicator of tissue pH.
 Quoting: Cahill


Yes, it is. I have seen remarkable changes in myself and many others just by taking baking soda and eating more alkaline foods. Health has returned by making the body/tissues more alkaline. I have a friend right now whose arthritis is going away and can finally move without pain. This is just with baking soda. Many goods things happen just with adjusting the body's alkalinity.

urine’s pH is an accurate reflection of the whole body’s tissue pH:

[link to www.google.com]
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If your body had a pH of 5 you would be dead. Period.

Your body keeps itself in a very tight pH range of 7.35-7.45 and this is measured by blood pH. Anything outside of this range is bad and is generally linked with diabetes, severe heart & lung problems or other organ failures. Although you can also have transient alkalosis/acidosis with severe bouts of vomiting and diarrhoea.
If you're talking about urine pH then yes, this has a very variable pH but what you have to remember is than urine helps the body maintain a stable pH by flushing alkalis or acids out of the body. Urine pH bears no relationship whatsoever to body, tissue or intra-cellular pH.

[link to www.labtestsonline.org.uk]
 Quoting: Cahill


I am not talking about blood ph. I am talking about the tissue ph which can be measured by urine. And it does make a difference. I know that mine and many of my friends health has improved dramatically by becoming alkaline.

The blood takes care of its own ph by leaching calcium from the bones when the body ph is too acid. When the body ph is alkaline it doesn't have to leach the calcium from the bones to keep the blood where it should be. No more brittle bones. And the body doesn't have to coat the arteries with so much cholesterol to protect them against acid eating through them.

The easiest way to keep the body(not blood) ph alkaline is to take 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in water morning and evening. Get some urine test strips and make sure the ph is between a 7 and 8. This could also be done by a diet of fruits and vegetables but most people don't enough of them. Plus the stress we are under these days makes us acid very fast.

It makes sense that getting the body ph up makes a big difference since most people feel so much better eating more alkaline producing foods. Plus by raising alkalinity a friend of mine is cancer free. He kept having problems and finally started taking baking soda and a few months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health. He also was eating more alkaline forming foods as well.

And if tissue/urine ph didn't matter then it wouldn't matter how we eat. But it does. Too much acid forming foods will lead to ill health for us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Seriously, urine pH is only a valid measurement for kidney disease. Urine is what the body gets rid of because it doesn't need it.
What takes all of the nutrients to the body's tissues? Is it urine or blood?
Yes, it's blood. Therefore it makes sense that the blood pH is an indication of what pH the tissues are likely to be.
The only part of the body eating can affect pH levels is in the digestive tract. However, in physiological terms, this is deemed to be "outside of the body". Anything which passes through into the bloodstream and then into the tissues will have a neutral pH (actually it will have a pH of between 7.35 and 7.45). Anything too alkaline or acidic will be flushed away as the body CANNOT use it.
You can change your urine pH almost at will by eating certain foods.

I'll say it again (and this is based on my having a degree in human bio-physiology) urine Ph is not an indicator of tissue pH.
 Quoting: Cahill


Yes, it is. I have seen remarkable changes in myself and many others just by taking baking soda and eating more alkaline foods. Health has returned by making the body/tissues more alkaline. I have a friend right now whose arthritis is going away and can finally move without pain. This is just with baking soda. Many goods things happen just with adjusting the body's alkalinity.

urine’s pH is an accurate reflection of the whole body’s tissue pH:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If you feel better for taking it then that's great.
But I can assure you that it's not because you're keeping you're body alkaline.

The sites you've shown just state that fact about urine pH, they do not show any proof at all. Absolutely none.
You can say anything about anything but without proof it's meaningless.

If you can show proper documented proof that urine is a reflection of tissue pH by a scientifically verified study I will happily change my mind. However, I know you won't be able to do this as there isn't and never will be one.
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yawn some of the 'cancers' appear to be white coat FEAR tactics to get the victim to take toxic pharX which often kills them.

It works like this: guy goes to doctor for that 50 year health checkup, because he saw it on teevee. Doctor runs lab work that show irregular numbers. Depending on irregularity this could be called "cancer". Some cell count of the bone for instance to called cancer. Same for blood cancers.

Then the doctor recommends chemo drugs &/or blood thinners. These cause numerous complications, such as blood clotting, stroke and hemorrhaging.

Anyone who has had a relative go thru this has seen this first hand, and likely made decisions to either take these toxic meds or not.

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I am not talking about blood ph. I am talking about the tissue ph which can be measured by urine. And it does make a difference. I know that mine and many of my friends health has improved dramatically by becoming alkaline.

The blood takes care of its own ph by leaching calcium from the bones when the body ph is too acid. When the body ph is alkaline it doesn't have to leach the calcium from the bones to keep the blood where it should be. No more brittle bones. And the body doesn't have to coat the arteries with so much cholesterol to protect them against acid eating through them.

The easiest way to keep the body(not blood) ph alkaline is to take 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in water morning and evening. Get some urine test strips and make sure the ph is between a 7 and 8. This could also be done by a diet of fruits and vegetables but most people don't enough of them. Plus the stress we are under these days makes us acid very fast.

It makes sense that getting the body ph up makes a big difference since most people feel so much better eating more alkaline producing foods. Plus by raising alkalinity a friend of mine is cancer free. He kept having problems and finally started taking baking soda and a few months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health. He also was eating more alkaline forming foods as well.

And if tissue/urine ph didn't matter then it wouldn't matter how we eat. But it does. Too much acid forming foods will lead to ill health for us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Seriously, urine pH is only a valid measurement for kidney disease. Urine is what the body gets rid of because it doesn't need it.
What takes all of the nutrients to the body's tissues? Is it urine or blood?
Yes, it's blood. Therefore it makes sense that the blood pH is an indication of what pH the tissues are likely to be.
The only part of the body eating can affect pH levels is in the digestive tract. However, in physiological terms, this is deemed to be "outside of the body". Anything which passes through into the bloodstream and then into the tissues will have a neutral pH (actually it will have a pH of between 7.35 and 7.45). Anything too alkaline or acidic will be flushed away as the body CANNOT use it.
You can change your urine pH almost at will by eating certain foods.

I'll say it again (and this is based on my having a degree in human bio-physiology) urine Ph is not an indicator of tissue pH.
 Quoting: Cahill


Yes, it is. I have seen remarkable changes in myself and many others just by taking baking soda and eating more alkaline foods. Health has returned by making the body/tissues more alkaline. I have a friend right now whose arthritis is going away and can finally move without pain. This is just with baking soda. Many goods things happen just with adjusting the body's alkalinity.

urine’s pH is an accurate reflection of the whole body’s tissue pH:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


If you feel better for taking it then that's great.
But I can assure you that it's not because you're keeping you're body alkaline.

The sites you've shown just state that fact about urine pH, they do not show any proof at all. Absolutely none.
You can say anything about anything but without proof it's meaningless.

If you can show proper documented proof that urine is a reflection of tissue pH by a scientifically verified study I will happily change my mind. However, I know you won't be able to do this as there isn't and never will be one.
 Quoting: Cahill


I can show proof from myself and my friends. Baking soda did the trick.

And alkalinity does matter and we see that from the foods we eat.

But nothing would convince you unless you were sick and started taking baking soda and saw your health turn around. That is the best study available.

Science is always changing and will lie to people about what works and what doesn't. If something is cheap, available and it works it won't be studied. Especially if it can't be patented.

I am sure there are studies out there but you will have to look for them which you won't. I don't have to look for them because I can see alkalinity has changed how I feel. And when you see arthritis sufferers getting relief then you know more is happening than just alkaline urine.

So if you ever get sick or have bone or joint problems or even cancer then break out the baking soda and give it a try. You will then be a believer as well. Especially when you have done nothing else except the baking soda.
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Cahill,

You will have to take this further but here is some research. Or maybe find a sick person and have them take baking soda for your own research. Get some urine test strips if you want but you will see the person start to improve. Who says you have to wait on someone else to say something works?

Anyway, here is some research and a journal you could look up. The research is out there but you won't find many mainstream docs telling you about it at all. Most have no idea about proper nutrition and just want to drug people up.



"High consumption of sugars, grains and animal products can make the body too acidic, according to the University of California at San Diego. Acidity in the body might lead to greater risk for osteoporosis, cancer, arthritis and heart disease, although further research is needed. Alkaline diets help maintain and improve senior citizens' muscle mass, according to Tufts University researchers who reported their findings in the March 2008 "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition." Alkaline foods, such as potassium-rich fruits and vegetables, relieve mild metabolic acidosis -- an acid state in the body from a typical American diet, according to the researchers."


Read more: [link to www.livestrong.com]

And the end product of vegetables is sodium bicarb/baking soda. That is why to speed up the process all it takes is some baking soda because eating fruits and veggies is good but it takes more than that to turn around sickness and baking soda will do the trick. Then the diet can be adjusted if the person desires.
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Cancer is a big source of money to medical industries.
I dont know what is hospital or medical drugs for 25 years, and people that work tuned with medical industries have no reason to aprove my behavior, because my behavior makes them poor and with no money. So, no medical structure wants people like me, because they loose money, they loose power.
Eat natural food, raw food, fruits and live far from medical structure.
We have choices, live like an hedonist, or live healthy.
Put out of your life the junk food, the alcohol, the drug and medicine structure, the food industries and live healthy!!
The criminal medical structure needs desease, needs pain, needs despair, needs sick people. If you use some part of this structure, like the food industry (brother in arms of chemical medical industries), like alcohol (the same owners of medical structures and food industries), like all junk life that media approves, you are doomed and for sure will meet a doctor and these criminal structures soon.
Make your choice, healthy life or edonist life.
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Cancer is another Lie,

brought in forth for to gain access to Money, and Degrade our Sociaty.

Cancer is a Money Making Scamm, to Scammm you into Buying Cures that the Liars, (Scientists), Made.

CANCER DOES NOT EXIST, AND IS A SCAMM TO TAKE YOUR MONEY.

CANCER DOES NOT EXIST.

CANCER IS A LIE.
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Tell that to my best buddy. His Mom passed away one year to today's date from stage 4 cancer. It's very real idiot.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan.
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And the end product of vegetables is sodium bicarb/baking soda. That is why to speed up the process all it takes is some baking soda because eating fruits and veggies is good but it takes more than that to turn around sickness and baking soda will do the trick. Then the diet can be adjusted if the person desires.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Assuming the sickness is real.

If the lab work came back showing blood irregularities originating from the bone thus diagnosed blood & bone cancer and you change the diet to improve those numbers you would no longer have the 'cancer'. Often the bone health issue is not a lack of sodium b rather too much animal protein. This animal protein needs calcium to neutralize which is taken from the bones. This can lead to problems later in life, but can be turned around, if you know the causes.

[link to www.ars.usda.gov]
[link to www.news.cornell.edu]
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
[link to www.ajcn.org]

Also, those anti-cholesterol meds could add to the problem.
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here is some more info for you. if course more research is always needed according to scientists. sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees but the realization is that alkalinity is very important. take you baking soda.

"In situations that result in acute acidosis, supplementing younger patients with sodium bicarbonate prior to exhaustive exercise resulted in significantly less acidosis in the blood than those that were not supplemented with sodium bicarbonate [42]."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

there is just too much info here so just peruse it yourself. but there will never be enough evidence for most of the medical community to believe that alkalinity matters and to tell their patients this as well. you need to rely on yourself to be healthy. the med community for the most part will make you sick and kill you.
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And the end product of vegetables is sodium bicarb/baking soda. That is why to speed up the process all it takes is some baking soda because eating fruits and veggies is good but it takes more than that to turn around sickness and baking soda will do the trick. Then the diet can be adjusted if the person desires.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Assuming the sickness is real.

If the lab work came back showing blood irregularities originating from the bone thus diagnosed blood & bone cancer and you change the diet to improve those numbers you would no longer have the 'cancer'. Often the bone health issue is not a lack of sodium b rather too much animal protein. This animal protein needs calcium to neutralize which is taken from the bones. This can lead to problems later in life, but can be turned around, if you know the causes.

[link to www.ars.usda.gov]
[link to www.news.cornell.edu]
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
[link to www.ajcn.org]

Also, those anti-cholesterol meds could add to the problem.
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Yes, meat is very acid forming. But we do need acid foods because they give us energy. But most people are eating way too much acid foods because they do give quick energy. And the body is protecting itself from being too acid with cholesterol. So taking meds for it while not doing anything to make the body more alkaline will lead to huge problems. Keep the body alkaline and cholesterol problems will go away because the excess won't be needed to protect artery walls from excess acid.
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Cancer is a big source of money to medical industries.
I dont know what is hospital or medical drugs for 25 years, and people that work tuned with medical industries have no reason to aprove my behavior, because my behavior makes them poor and with no money. So, no medical structure wants people like me, because they loose money, they loose power.
Eat natural food, raw food, fruits and live far from medical structure.
We have choices, live like an hedonist, or live healthy.
Put out of your life the junk food, the alcohol, the drug and medicine structure, the food industries and live healthy!!
The criminal medical structure needs desease, needs pain, needs despair, needs sick people. If you use some part of this structure, like the food industry (brother in arms of chemical medical industries), like alcohol (the same owners of medical structures and food industries), like all junk life that media approves, you are doomed and for sure will meet a doctor and these criminal structures soon.
Make your choice, healthy life or edonist life.
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very wise indeed hf
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If the Pharma Companies were in Business to cure they would lose customers when they took a pill to cure it...

Well they are not in business to cure anything - Bad business practice to lose customers....

The side effects take longer to advertise than the good things the pill does...you might have to take a couple of more pills to help the side effects....

Cancer does exist...They are not in business to CURE....they are in the business of comfort or temporary releif of the symptons....
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That continent is just so full of genius.
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Then what the hell am I a survivor of?

And now that it (this fake thing) is gone, why do I feel so much better???
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If the Pharma Companies were in Business to cure they would lose customers when they took a pill to cure it...

Well they are not in business to cure anything - Bad business practice to lose customers....

The side effects take longer to advertise than the good things the pill does...you might have to take a couple of more pills to help the side effects....

Cancer does exist...They are not in business to CURE....they are in the business of comfort or temporary releif of the symptons....
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And there are some people out there who just want a quick fix(which is just relief of symptoms like you say) and want to do nothing to change their health for the better. I have met those who find drinking water and taking baking soda too difficult. And forget trying to tell them to eat better and take a vitamin/mineral supp. They actually want the drugs and want to complain. They live to go to the doctor. So believe me the med community will not lose money because there would be plenty of people to take their drugs. I have seen it first hand. Unfortunately they won't help the people who really do want to get better. That is where alternative medicine comes into play. But you have to search for it and actually pay for it. The net is a good starting point though.
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Cancer is another Lie,

brought in forth for to gain access to Money, and Degrade our Sociaty.

Cancer is a Money Making Scamm, to Scammm you into Buying Cures that the Liars, (Scientists), Made.

CANCER DOES NOT EXIST, AND IS A SCAMM TO TAKE YOUR MONEY.

CANCER DOES NOT EXIST.

CANCER IS A LIE.
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Tell that to my best buddy. His Mom passed away one year to today's date from stage 4 cancer. It's very real idiot.
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Easy, she ate crap a lot. The price is high.
If any body dance with this devils, if tuned to industries like to farm, food, and média, will pay the price, always.
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"cancer" is simply DNA damage caused by radiation poisoning and exposure, and since there are all kinds of radiation everywhere, we are always at risk of contamination depending on our overall level of health and immunity.

Besides, there is no such thing as a "cure" for cancer because it's a disease inexorably linked with a weak immunological system, weak DNA constitution and daily habits. The only way to "cure" cancer is by having the person spontaneously and gradually change her lifestyle and way of thinking until she is able to increase her level of energy / health above the threshold of the disease. Every disease is primarily a state of mind linked with a certain level of energy that your body has spontaneously entered into. If you change your thoughts, your energy will follow and the disease will magically disappear, but if you happen to fall back to your old level, it'll magically reappear.

There is no medicine, no treatment that can cure a disease on its own. In fact, I agree with OP that modern medicine is a scam in that medicines and treatments actually end up causing the diseases they try to prevent.

Doctors are nothing more than magicians who sell illusions to fear-ridden people and those who are tired of living. At most they are only assisting people with their quest to die a smooth / painless death. Every physical sickness is accompanied by a mental sickness. People who actively seek doctors and hospitals are those who secretly want to escape (cheat) life. Those who buy into modern medical practices are drug addicts who are constantly depressed, low on energy and looking for an easy way out that doesn't involve radical changes to their lifestyle.

When you are tired of life you are going to develop a disease sooner or later by the force of your bad habits and thoughts alone. Thus the problem lies in the subconscious mind of the person (a subconscious choice) and for this reason there can be no salvation in any medical treatment, only illusions: self-suggestion, patchwork and placebo effect.

I haven't got sick in several years and I don't take a single medicine, not even "natural" ones. I'm basically immune to all common diseases and I can easily withstand extremes of temperature and the 4 seasons of the year. Immunity is all about physical and mental strength; it has nothing to do with pills, vaccines and other stupid rituals. Food is also a giant factor. In essence, the less you are able to eat, the better. The less you eat, the more energy is available for your body to fight off diseases. But your body's healing factor is constantly impaired because you are constantly using more than 50% of your energy to digest food all the time. From a purely theoretical perspective, the only way to perfect health is by becoming a breatharian (one who does not need to eat). Food is not the only factor however.
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Seriously, urine pH is only a valid measurement for kidney disease. Urine is what the body gets rid of because it doesn't need it.
What takes all of the nutrients to the body's tissues? Is it urine or blood?
Yes, it's blood. Therefore it makes sense that the blood pH is an indication of what pH the tissues are likely to be.
The only part of the body eating can affect pH levels is in the digestive tract. However, in physiological terms, this is deemed to be "outside of the body". Anything which passes through into the bloodstream and then into the tissues will have a neutral pH (actually it will have a pH of between 7.35 and 7.45). Anything too alkaline or acidic will be flushed away as the body CANNOT use it.
You can change your urine pH almost at will by eating certain foods.

I'll say it again (and this is based on my having a degree in human bio-physiology) urine Ph is not an indicator of tissue pH.
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Yes, it is. I have seen remarkable changes in myself and many others just by taking baking soda and eating more alkaline foods. Health has returned by making the body/tissues more alkaline. I have a friend right now whose arthritis is going away and can finally move without pain. This is just with baking soda. Many goods things happen just with adjusting the body's alkalinity.

urine’s pH is an accurate reflection of the whole body’s tissue pH:

[link to www.google.com]
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If you feel better for taking it then that's great.
But I can assure you that it's not because you're keeping you're body alkaline.

The sites you've shown just state that fact about urine pH, they do not show any proof at all. Absolutely none.
You can say anything about anything but without proof it's meaningless.

If you can show proper documented proof that urine is a reflection of tissue pH by a scientifically verified study I will happily change my mind. However, I know you won't be able to do this as there isn't and never will be one.
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I can show proof from myself and my friends. Baking soda did the trick.

And alkalinity does matter and we see that from the foods we eat.

But nothing would convince you unless you were sick and started taking baking soda and saw your health turn around. That is the best study available.

Science is always changing and will lie to people about what works and what doesn't. If something is cheap, available and it works it won't be studied. Especially if it can't be patented.

I am sure there are studies out there but you will have to look for them which you won't. I don't have to look for them because I can see alkalinity has changed how I feel. And when you see arthritis sufferers getting relief then you know more is happening than just alkaline urine.

So if you ever get sick or have bone or joint problems or even cancer then break out the baking soda and give it a try. You will then be a believer as well. Especially when you have done nothing else except the baking soda.
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Sorry fella.
Your response is an oh so typical quack response. One I've heard many, many times before. "You prove it. I don't need to because I know it works....". I believe that's actually in the quack 101 handbook, page 2 if I'm correct.
I live in a world where testimony means jack.
It means jack because when you actually test out these "stories" they ALWAYS fall flat. Always.

But anyway, back to the science....

I did assume (obviously wrongly) that you understood the basics of digestion but it seems I'll have to start from the very beginnings.
First of all, what is contained in the stomach to help digest food?
That's right, gastric acid which is mainly composed of hydrochloric acid with a pH of around 2.
What happens if you eat baking soda?
Well basic chemistry tells us that if you add baking powder (NaHCO3) to hydrochloric acid (HCl)you actually produce common salt (NaCl) plus ANOTHER ACID, carbonic acid (H2CO3). This then decomposes to water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2).
Naturally this does reduce the acidity of the stomach fluids (hence why we take ant-acids for reflux etc) but the resulting carbonic acid also reduces the alkalinity of any residual baking soda to a neutral pH. (The body really likes a neutral pH.)
Now if the whole process stopped there, taking more and more baking soda may actually make your stomach alkaline but the stomach will continually produce more and more acid to counter this. That's the way it has to work. That's its job.

So effectively by eating baking soda all that your body will absorb is common salt (NaCl).

Now, physiologically, if you are eating baking soda often and finding that it helps the reason could be two-fold (which are linked anyway):
1. You could be hypotensive (low blood-pressure)
2. You could have low sodium (NaCl)
This is your body telling you to up your sodium levels (however there are far better and more regulated ways to combat low sodium).

The bad thing is that if you continue to eat relatively large amounts of baking soda (2 spoons or more per day) over a prolonged period of time you're actually at risk of causing hypertension (HIGH blood pressure) due to the increase in salt consumption. As you know hypertension is a major risk factor in heart disease, diabetes, kidney failure, strokes etc.
You also put yourself in a high risk of developing peptic ulcers due to the over-secretion of acids not to mention having major problems with digestion.

Hopefully you are aware that you can overdose quite easily on baking soda too? This can be fatal.
Just FYI here's some common symptoms:
Constipation
Convulsions
Diarrhea
Feeling of being full
Frequent urination
Irritability
Muscle spasms
Muscle weakness
Vomiting

I'm sure the websites promoting eating NaCO3 don't mention this fact.

If it's any consolation to you I have looked at studies concerning urine pH, there have been plenty. Not one of them is able to associate it with tissue pH. Not one. And that's because they have nothing to do with each other (not in a way that eating foods or ingesting anything could influence anyway).
Now I still don't expect you to believe what I've written as you seem the type of person to put their hands over their ears and shut their eyes when presented with FACTS that counter their beliefs.
However, if another person reads and understands this and decides against a quack therapy like this then it's served its purpose.
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Cahill,

You will have to take this further but here is some research. Or maybe find a sick person and have them take baking soda for your own research. Get some urine test strips if you want but you will see the person start to improve. Who says you have to wait on someone else to say something works?

Anyway, here is some research and a journal you could look up. The research is out there but you won't find many mainstream docs telling you about it at all. Most have no idea about proper nutrition and just want to drug people up.



"High consumption of sugars, grains and animal products can make the body too acidic, according to the University of California at San Diego. Acidity in the body might lead to greater risk for osteoporosis, cancer, arthritis and heart disease, although further research is needed. Alkaline diets help maintain and improve senior citizens' muscle mass, according to Tufts University researchers who reported their findings in the March 2008 "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition." Alkaline foods, such as potassium-rich fruits and vegetables, relieve mild metabolic acidosis -- an acid state in the body from a typical American diet, according to the researchers."


Read more: [link to www.livestrong.com]

And the end product of vegetables is sodium bicarb/baking soda. That is why to speed up the process all it takes is some baking soda because eating fruits and veggies is good but it takes more than that to turn around sickness and baking soda will do the trick. Then the diet can be adjusted if the person desires.
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The first link from Livestrong doesn't work.

The second link is actually about a potassium rich diet rather than an alkaline one (hence the K+ urine measurements)and actually analyses the salt imbalance in diets rather than the pH. I can't see any metrics at all which measure pH levels in there. There are actually a fair few assumptions made in that study too. They really need to follow that up and address those assumptions especially if they are trying to form some sort of acid/base theory as the way it stands now it doesn't do anything of the sort.

The 3rd, well I've answered that in my post above.

As for doing research...what I know hasn't been gleaned from websites over a short period like the vast majority of people on here and on other sites. Human physiology has been my job for over a quarter of a century. So I know it pretty well and yes, I've done a hell of a lot of research in those years.
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Cancer was virtually nonexistent before the late 1800s. The first notable case that has been passed down in the establishment textbooks was U.S. Grant, who heorically finished his memoirs before the disease finished him, thereby making a lot of money for his destitute family.

The reason the life expectancy of American adults has not risen substantially over the past 100+ years is obvious. Look at what people died of 200 years ago. First, a frightening percentage of children died of various ailments that have been eradicated. Lots of young adults died of consumption and/or tuberculosis. By a startling coincidence, at the exact moment medical science developed vaccines and antibiotics for those awful childhood diseases, suddenly everyone started developing cancer (and heart disease, which was also pretty much unknown prior to the twentieth century).

If they had created cancer in a lab and distributed it to the masses, it couldn't have been more blatant. I predict that, if they ever announce a "cure" for cancer, at almost the same moment, a new deadly disease will become predominant, and affect just as many people. Medical science is a corrupt racket. Those who don't go to the doctor at all are almost always healthier than those who never miss their "regular checkups."

OP, I salute you. That's some real out of the box thinking. I wouldn't put it past most doctors to simply invent these awful diagnoses. Maybe they work on a percentage basis, and every unfortunate fourth person who comes in for a visit gets the surprising, terrible news. If no one is diagnosed with cancer, an entire industry worth trillions would collapse. Even a significant decrease in cancer would affect their bottom line, and a lot of huge bonuses for those who profit from our perhaps largely imaginary woes.

Alternative energy devices exist. They work. They could revolutionize the way we live, and make everything more affordable for everyone. These fantastic advances are suppressed, however, because those who profit immensely from the present corrupt system aren't willing to give up their profits. It's that simple. That's why we are still driving the identical cars our grandparents drove, and flying in the same outdated airplanes.

The same goes for medicine. Any drop in cancer or heart disease rates means less money for those tha profit from our irrational, inful health care system. Adn we all know how the wealthy love their profits.
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Cancer was virtually nonexistent before the late 1800s. The first notable case that has been passed down in the establishment textbooks was U.S. Grant, who heorically finished his memoirs before the disease finished him, thereby making a lot of money for his destitute family.

The reason the life expectancy of American adults has not risen substantially over the past 100+ years is obvious. Look at what people died of 200 years ago. First, a frightening percentage of children died of various ailments that have been eradicated. Lots of young adults died of consumption and/or tuberculosis. By a startling coincidence, at the exact moment medical science developed vaccines and antibiotics for those awful childhood diseases, suddenly everyone started developing cancer (and heart disease, which was also pretty much unknown prior to the twentieth century).

If they had created cancer in a lab and distributed it to the masses, it couldn't have been more blatant. I predict that, if they ever announce a "cure" for cancer, at almost the same moment, a new deadly disease will become predominant, and affect just as many people. Medical science is a corrupt racket. Those who don't go to the doctor at all are almost always healthier than those who never miss their "regular checkups."

OP, I salute you. That's some real out of the box thinking. I wouldn't put it past most doctors to simply invent these awful diagnoses. Maybe they work on a percentage basis, and every unfortunate fourth person who comes in for a visit gets the surprising, terrible news. If no one is diagnosed with cancer, an entire industry worth trillions would collapse. Even a significant decrease in cancer would affect their bottom line, and a lot of huge bonuses for those who profit from our perhaps largely imaginary woes.

Alternative energy devices exist. They work. They could revolutionize the way we live, and make everything more affordable for everyone. These fantastic advances are suppressed, however, because those who profit immensely from the present corrupt system aren't willing to give up their profits. It's that simple. That's why we are still driving the identical cars our grandparents drove, and flying in the same outdated airplanes.

The same goes for medicine. Any drop in cancer or heart disease rates means less money for those tha profit from our irrational, inful health care system. Adn we all know how the wealthy love their profits.
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What a load of rubbish.
Hippocrates described cancer and how many people had it. He also postulated a theory about what caused it. This theory was passed to the Romans via Galen and effectively remained unchallenged until the Middle Ages.
Lusitani and Tulp wrote a thesis on breast cancer which was published in 1649. They believed it to be contagious since they based their deduction on sisters who both had it.
The first dedicated cancer hospital was opened in France in 1740.
Since there have been animals, there has been cancer.
To state otherwise is at the very best ignorant.
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None of the Scientific Medicines Work.

They worsen the Body to more damage.

Its the Scientific Reasearch in Medicine that kills the humans.

Scientists Lie to put their medicine, to get money,

and that same medicine kills you.
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Cancer exist. I have one. And the cure exist too. They saved me with their chemo and radio. So now stop to be an asshole. If you want to survive to a cancer. Get it before it get you. earlier you will find it better are your chance of surviving.
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First of all, what is contained in the stomach to help digest food?
That's right, gastric acid which is mainly composed of hydrochloric acid with a pH of around 2.
What happens if you eat baking soda?
Well basic chemistry tells us that if you add baking powder (NaHCO3) to hydrochloric acid (HCl)you actually produce common salt (NaCl) plus ANOTHER ACID, carbonic acid (H2CO3). This then decomposes to water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2).
Naturally this does reduce the acidity of the stomach fluids (hence why we take ant-acids for reflux etc) but the resulting carbonic acid also reduces the alkalinity of any residual baking soda to a neutral pH. (The body really likes a neutral pH.)
Now if the whole process stopped there, taking more and more baking soda may actually make your stomach alkaline but the stomach will continually produce more and more acid to counter this. That's the way it has to work. That's its job.

So effectively by eating baking soda all that your body will absorb is common salt (NaCl).
...
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The chemical equation seem to be solid science.

So if Sodium Bicarbonate(baking soda) can't pass through stomach without being converted to salt (NsCl), how about the proposed cancer cure (pH raising) of mixing Baking Soda with Maple Syrup (or Mollasses) being heated before consumed? What's the resulted chemicals after mixing with gastric acid?

But, is it also possible, drinking baking soda solution with a lot of water, will allow some baking soda passed through stomach unaffected by gastric acid? How long will water with something soluble stay in the stomach?
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First of all, what is contained in the stomach to help digest food?
That's right, gastric acid which is mainly composed of hydrochloric acid with a pH of around 2.
What happens if you eat baking soda?
Well basic chemistry tells us that if you add baking powder (NaHCO3) to hydrochloric acid (HCl)you actually produce common salt (NaCl) plus ANOTHER ACID, carbonic acid (H2CO3). This then decomposes to water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2).
Naturally this does reduce the acidity of the stomach fluids (hence why we take ant-acids for reflux etc) but the resulting carbonic acid also reduces the alkalinity of any residual baking soda to a neutral pH. (The body really likes a neutral pH.)
Now if the whole process stopped there, taking more and more baking soda may actually make your stomach alkaline but the stomach will continually produce more and more acid to counter this. That's the way it has to work. That's its job.

So effectively by eating baking soda all that your body will absorb is common salt (NaCl).
...
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The chemical equation seem to be solid science.

So if Sodium Bicarbonate(baking soda) can't pass through stomach without being converted to salt (NsCl), how about the proposed cancer cure (pH raising) of mixing Baking Soda with Maple Syrup (or Mollasses) being heated before consumed? What's the resulted chemicals after mixing with gastric acid?

But, is it also possible, drinking baking soda solution with a lot of water, will allow some baking soda passed through stomach unaffected by gastric acid? How long will water with something soluble stay in the stomach?
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It doesn't matter how diluted the baking soda is. It will be neutralised by your stomach as above.
Mixing it with syrup or molasses won't make any difference whatsoever. Sugar doesn't really react with an alkali.
Molasses is mainly sucrose (with other sugars in smaller amounts) and these will be digested the same as any other sugars. The sucrose will be split by enzymes to form simple sugars which will then be absorbed in the small intestine then into the blood.

If you believe that taking this mixture will cure your cancer then fine, it's your life. But when it doesn't work please don't give your oncologist a hard time when he tells you it's too late to do anything.
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cancer is the buildup of toxic chemicals in the human cell, nothing more.





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