What in the world is a NEOCON? I'm serious...

Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military power to topple American enemies and promote liberal democracy in other countries. The movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great Society's welfare programs. Although neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party.[1][2] Most neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya.

Rush IS a NeoCon.

A neo-con is a liberal who profits from war and who switched parties. Not conservative, but rather a literal translation neo-conmen. Neo-cons are progressives, and they control both parties.

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Not quite. the reason they were called neocons is because the adherants of that philosophy were previously liberal hebrews by and large, and the conservatism was limited mostely to what benefited their homeland, ie american indebtedness and reliance on central banking and perversions of legal process.
Make no mistake, the conservatism was focused to extract money and get the US between israelis and the arabs as a sacrificial ballistic vest. Otherwise neocons are happily democrats regarding other social and moral goals

what is TPTB???

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shortened version of neo-conned (ignore racist title)


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Ron Paul talks about American power structure, FED, Trilateral Commission and CFR (August 1988)



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RON PAUL: THE TEN PRINCIPLES OF A FREE SOCIETY

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.
8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

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actually, you are a communist, so you should still watch it, maybe it will convert you, talks about permanent revolution, like in 1984 (the novel) or even in our present day...
the third link is 45 communist goals

Last Edited by scallywagg444 on 08/15/2011 04:02 PM

They also are likely to have money in the right places in the right times in order to profit off of conflicts.



They most certainly are liberal when it comes to finances, and they use spreading democracy as an excuse to invade sovereign countries and to further their personal agendas.



It's all just lip service. The NWO, which neocons salivate for, wants everybody under their boot. This is just a way to prop up the false left/right paradigm



more lip service....a free market under the gun of the U.S. military, while giving their buddies key positions of power and while turning a blind eye to market corruption.




More false left/right paradigm rhetoric. These guys totally know how to play the social conservative religious types, while giving each other reach arounds. They only care about control and manipulation of the social conservative.



I have no idea of what that means, but the typical NeoCon is pro-Patriot Act, which means they would love to take your rights away, just the same as, say....Obama. Both are big government, spend happy, NWO whores.





Because they stand to profit in it and because their NWO overlords told them to support them. Plus their CEO position looks awfully attractive when they come with big bonuses.

LOL... No.. I am in fact not a Communist. I chose this avatar because I think it is important to remember the oppression that Communism brings with it. When every facet of industry is controlled by the state, the state fails.

TPTB ( the powers that be ) also known as the powers behind the NWO, aka the illuminati, aka the bilderberg group

... Rothchilds, the Rockefellers are most likely aligned with them

granted there are groups and subgroups in the above mentioned....

Neoconservatism is fascism rebranded.

It's built on three things:

1. Ultranationalism (blind "patriotism" and national supremecy)

2. Authoritarian "father figure"-style government role

3. Aggressive Imperialist foreign policy

The Ultranationalism is the key to the others. Once you can get people waving flags, you can get them to do anything. Hence 9/11. Hence all that followed.

ROTHSCHILDS.

o good for you did watch the video? cause the written responses here are wrong!

So I hope you dont forget who Marxist theory is named for, who his collaborators are and who his major promoters are or who suffered most under their rule and who were exempted or excused an allowed to leave for greener pastures.

patriotism and nationalism and imperialism, well, maybe, but depends on which country benefits.

Notice that the US Never seems to benefit, yet another always does.
HHmmmm...

o fuck they deleted the really good shortened version!
Arggggghhh i hate you tube!

That is what they used to be("Liberal who have been punched in the mouth too many times" or something along those lines is a famous quote given by William Kristols father who I believe is one of the founders of the movement), there is very few true neo-Cons left in the democratic party, and there is definitely no power base and popular movements supporting their objectives within that party currently,it is all subversive.

Neo-Con's are an interesting breed.

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here is the full version of Neo-conned

You are so awake mate.

Kudos.

Like Grandpa's "fascism", today's "neoconservatism" is a corporation-serving and funded philosophy. No nations win. Only corporations. These days, multinational corporations wield influence over all nations thanks to the bought/sold media. In this sense, "neoconservatism" is something along the lines of "international fascism" or "super fascism" if you will.

Supernationalism leads people to things that they would otherwise find unacceptable.

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What is a NeoCon? Now ya know...

1). Richard Perle----One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the
chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.

2). Paul Wolfowitz----Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering.

3). Douglas Feith----Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one
International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is
representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.

4). Edward Luttwak----Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.

5). Henry Kissinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes,
Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

6). Dov Zakheim----Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended attended Jew's College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.

7). Kenneth Adelman-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he
could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by
definition are Semites.

8). I. Lewis Libby -----Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff. The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.

9). Robert Satloff----U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

10). Elliott Abrams-----National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State,handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby
faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

11). Marc Grossman-----Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

12). Richard Haass-----Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates going
to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

13). Robert Zoellick-----U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level
position.He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.

14). Ari Fleischer----Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young
Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

15). James Schlesinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

16). Mel Sembler-----President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

17). Michael Chertoff ----Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department.

18). Joshua Bolten----Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.

19). Steve Goldsmith----Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

20). Adam Goldman-----White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

21). Joseph Gildenhorn-----Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

22). Christopher Gersten-----Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary,
Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.

23). Mark Weinberger-----Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax Policy.

24). Samuel Bodman-----Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

25). Bonnie Cohen-----Under Secretary of State for Management.

26). Ruth Davis-----Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

27). Lincoln Bloomfield-----Assistant Secretary of State for Political
Military Affairs.

28). Jay Lefkowitz-----General Counsel of the Office of Budget and
Management.

29). David Frum-----White House speechwriter.

30). Ken Melman-----White House Political Director.

31). Brad Blakeman------White House Director of Scheduling.

YOURE STILL OFF, MATE.
It's not designed for the benefit of the US it's designed to protect another 'chose' nation, that cannot survive without the US being bled dry.
All nations strive to survive, but only the moth patologic and narcissitic bleed their 'friends' for it and offer naught in return.
You dont send christmas cards to neocons, not unless you want to be shunned. Neocon is pretending you care about Merica so much youre willing to destroy it to save Israel.
Makes sense yet?

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must watch link above!


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Ron Paul talks about American power structure, FED, Trilateral Commission and CFR (August 1988)



[link to www.youtube.com]


RON PAUL: THE TEN PRINCIPLES OF A FREE SOCIETY

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.
8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.


neo-cons defined


1. are NOT conservatives

2.permanent revolution, violent and intellectual !

3.re-drawing map of middle east

4.pre-emptive war

5. the ends justify the emans

6.encourage welfare state by 0 opposition

7.American empire

8.lying is nessecary for the state to survive

9.powerful and centralized federal gov.

10. society run by elite, as common man can't handle politics

11.neutrality in any affair is ill advised

12.force should not be limited to defense of our country

13. despise libertarians and constitutionalists

14.view civil rights as relevant

15. unconditionaly support Israel (close ties to Lakude)




rush is a communist, as is dick cheney and donald rumsfield...
ANY OTHER VOTE THAN ONE FOR RON PAUL IS A WASTED VOTE!
its like a turd sandwich and a douche otherwise

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Make a list of famous neocons and see how many would ask for the 24/25th of December off work to be with the kids, and how many wouldnt care
I'll start
Krauthammer
Kristol
Sapphire
Morris
etc etc

Correct. I should have said control both parties behind the scenes. There is really just one party in that respect. I consider Obama to be the crown jewel of the neo-cons.

32). Barak Hussein Obama----George Bushes third presidential term...

Tsuris! Truris! Oy gevalt! Oy vey is mir!?

Leo Strauss is mentioned as the father of Neoconservatism in the Adam Curtis BBC documentary "The power on nightmares" a 3 part documentary each ~60 mins long.

I found this blog (probably biased but):



If you haven't watched this Curtis documentary, it is pretty interesting. It's mainly part 1 that deals with the Neocon thing.

So basically neocons are spies and saboteursfor another nation and another culture desiring to scrap and strip the US for the benefit of their home nation, and make American conservatism by controlling it's narrative look bad and make it, in essence counterproductive and impotent.