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Is your existence a loop or a spiral?

 
Light Crown
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Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
You learn so that means its a spiral. However you forgot to take amnesia into account. If amnesia is possible it could make it a loop.

Its a loop and somewhere in there you think its a spiral.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
a gas
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torus knot
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
Mine is a lowercase "d".

With the starting point ad the middle intersection moving left around the circle. I will return back to the starting point making my life a loop, but then will ascend into heaven which represents the part of the letter that is untouched.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A spiral with hitches.
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Mine is exponential :)
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
a vapour...
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
It depends on how you look at a spiral. Let's start at a loop though:

A loop is a circle, obviously, and it never ends but it does come back to the same point over and over. This would mean that your life would be cyclical, and would be repeating.

A Spiral doesn't tough the same point more than once, but does it continue forever? Spirals in fact quicken as they "condense", as to say, and speed up.

It all depends on how you look at life and what you believe, life could be both, neither, or just one.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A tesseract...

I've always been enamored of this "structure"
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
You learn so that means its a spiral. However you forgot to take amnesia into account. If amnesia is possible it could make it a loop.

Its a loop and somewhere in there you think its a spiral.
 Quoting: Light Crown


NICE QUESTION. a LOT of folks live in loops and not spirals, but I suppose loops are better than the downward spiral. Spirals should move UP not down.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
Mine is exponential :)
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mine too -- 0^0

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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A Wheel...
"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal."
-Albert Pike

• The smallest good deed is better than the grandest good intention. •

“Your Majesty, please… I don’t like to complain,
But down here below, we are feeling great pain.
I know, up on top you are seeing great sights,
But down here at the bottom we, too, should have rights.
We turtles can’t stand it. Our shells will all crack!
Besides, we need food. We are starving!” groaned Mack.

“You hush up your mouth!” howled the mighty King Yertle.
“You’ve no right to talk to the world’s highest turtle.
I rule from the clouds! Over land! Over sea!
There’s nothing, no, NOTHING, that’s higher than me!”
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A Wheel...
 Quoting: Tatlantis


Is the wheel alone?
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A spiral is only made when you go back in time and kill your younger self. Then infinite possibilities contract to only one, a loop.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A spiral is only made when you go back in time and kill your younger self. Then infinite possibilities contract to only one, a loop.
 Quoting: centrist77


A lot of people, I believe the Mayans too, believe that life is a spiral and is slowly speeding up at an exponential rate as we move towards the center. Any thoughts on that?

What happens when you meet the middle of a spiral, if there is an end? Does it get shot back out into the edges of the spiral, or maybe into a new one?

I'm thinking in terms of a galaxy here, if anyone couldn't really imagine that. I kinda look at it like a quasar, where matter is being pulled in and shot out of the center, as well as being sucked into the black hole.
Peace and Love \/m
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A Wheel...
 Quoting: Tatlantis


Is the wheel alone?
 Quoting: Light Crown


nope...it is amongst many other wheels...some turning fast some turning slow...good years, bad years...good months, bad months...good days, bad days...good hours, bad hours...good minutes etc...

Some wheels turn fast, then slow... and vice verse...

Some of us can alter the speed of our own wheels...and even stop it when our wheels are at their high point...

Some of us have no control...and find sometimes our wheels have stopped at it's lowest point.
"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal."
-Albert Pike

• The smallest good deed is better than the grandest good intention. •

“Your Majesty, please… I don’t like to complain,
But down here below, we are feeling great pain.
I know, up on top you are seeing great sights,
But down here at the bottom we, too, should have rights.
We turtles can’t stand it. Our shells will all crack!
Besides, we need food. We are starving!” groaned Mack.

“You hush up your mouth!” howled the mighty King Yertle.
“You’ve no right to talk to the world’s highest turtle.
I rule from the clouds! Over land! Over sea!
There’s nothing, no, NOTHING, that’s higher than me!”
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
A spiral is only made when you go back in time and kill your younger self. Then infinite possibilities contract to only one, a loop.
 Quoting: centrist77


A lot of people, I believe the Mayans too, believe that life is a spiral and is slowly speeding up at an exponential rate as we move towards the center. Any thoughts on that?

What happens when you meet the middle of a spiral, if there is an end? Does it get shot back out into the edges of the spiral, or maybe into a new one?

I'm thinking in terms of a galaxy here, if anyone couldn't really imagine that. I kinda look at it like a quasar, where matter is being pulled in and shot out of the center, as well as being sucked into the black hole.
 Quoting: Zlyle14


That could be true, some physicist think that we have already been sucked into a black hole and we are a projecting on the event horizon, radiated away as hawking radiation.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
That could be true, some physicist think that we have already been sucked into a black hole and we are a projecting on the event horizon, radiated away as hawking radiation.
 Quoting: centrist77


What a mind fuck, lol. I don't know a lot about black hole physics, but that would be insane if we have already passed the event horizon of a super massive black hole, something on a cosmic level. Maybe this would explain some of the 2012 theory and would make Timewave Zero a legit theory, making December 21, 2012 the point where we move into the next "axis"(Z?), so to say, in time.
Peace and Love \/m
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
blah blah. Nothing is true.......So do you consent to participate in a loop or Spiral? Or do you get hung up on such sophmoric conceptualizations of occultism pop?
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
Better than consent. Make your mind up to these questions and project your WILL across the abyss between your microcosm and the "reality" you slide into.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
Better than consent. Make your mind up to these questions and project your WILL across the abyss between your microcosm and the "reality" you slide into.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1309513


Seems like he's trying to avoid his own opinion rather than express it, in a way to make people think. At least, it's making me think, in a good way.
Peace and Love \/m
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
We may be existing in a temporal loop.

It is one way to explain so many anomalies.

Anomalies that need to be explained.

1.Civilization seems to spontaneously arisen about 6000 years ago.
2.Antiquity almost invariably contains stories of gods coming and
A. Mating with humans
B. Bringing technology such as agriculture and writing.
3.Antiquity almost invariably contains stories of a past and future cataclysm.
4.Many ancient sources include the idea that this is not the first 'earth'.
5.2012 is pointed at by too many different traditions to be coincidence.
6.Ancient sources refer to a past and future golden age.


The mechanism:

I propose the possibility that the time line (most likely local in my opinion) has looped in on its self to a point in the past. This point is most likely 12 to 6 thousand years ago.

The time line ends in cataclysm, perhaps a flood, quake, etc, etc.

Because the time line would now take on the geometry of a loop, the beginning of the time line (12-6 TYA) would exist both as our future and past simultaneously. Likewise, the end of the loop (nowish) would exist both as the future and past for the beginning of the loop simultaneously.


If time is looping and our past were also our future then the survivors of the cataclysm would continue through the loop back into the past.

Imagine walking in a closed loop. Everything would be new to you until the instant you get back to the beginning of the loop. In a temporal loop there would be nothing preventing you from moving from the current temporal position to the next position in the loop even though the would actually be in the past.


Hypothesis have been proposed that aliens or demons came to this planet in antiquity. I find this lacking. Aliens and spirit creatures are of another species. They could not be genetically compatible.

The ancients living at the beginning of the loop will see you as gods. They will see the time period that you describe as a 'golden age'. They will see the cataclysm that we both will have simultaneously experienced. You will know it is a time loop and tell them of the future cataclysm. You will take them as mates and produce 'demi-gods'.

Some of you will encode what you know until the time that it can be rediscovered that 12212012 is the end date (possibility). You will pass on to them that this is only one of many 'earths' 'suns'.

Some of you will pass on to them writing, agriculture, and civilization.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
the future jumpstarts the past...

I like it.
"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal."
-Albert Pike

• The smallest good deed is better than the grandest good intention. •

“Your Majesty, please… I don’t like to complain,
But down here below, we are feeling great pain.
I know, up on top you are seeing great sights,
But down here at the bottom we, too, should have rights.
We turtles can’t stand it. Our shells will all crack!
Besides, we need food. We are starving!” groaned Mack.

“You hush up your mouth!” howled the mighty King Yertle.
“You’ve no right to talk to the world’s highest turtle.
I rule from the clouds! Over land! Over sea!
There’s nothing, no, NOTHING, that’s higher than me!”
devorahg

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Ahhh you guys have gotten to deep for my little brain.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
Im glad Im making someone think. But really I mean just that in a cold mechanistic universe where Man is a genetic experiment left thousands of years forgotten..........We forgot we are gods. We participate in our own way with our own individual microcosm of consciousness as individuals. As individuals we make up consensus reality. The realm. Language is a virus that binds enough of our individual microcosmic realities into a consensus. This multiverse is fractal hologram and every individual microcosmic consciousness of a human is a fractal origination point in the hologram. So what does that make our petty accomplishments in the physical illusion? A consensus history hallucination just like yesterday. Just like tommorow. There is no time unless we make believe as a group. Our spatial and time dimentions are delineated by our language and group consensus reality building rituals. conscious of this or otherwise. All time is now. All space is here. Chew on that.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
so dont observe whether you exist. Or whether you exist in a loop or a spiral. Those constructs are not real unless you make them so. This is subjective for us as individuals and as a group with a unifying language virus limiting our participation to words describing an illusion. There is no absolute.

There is no law but do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law. Love under will. Every man and woman is a star with their own path across the sky. Consent to human language constructs if it suits you. Do not forget you are the fractal origination point. GOD.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
so dont observe whether you exist. Or whether you exist in a loop or a spiral. Those constructs are not real unless you make them so. This is subjective for us as individuals and as a group with a unifying language virus limiting our participation to words describing an illusion. There is no absolute.

There is no law but do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law. Love under will. Every man and woman is a star with their own path across the sky. Consent to human language constructs if it suits you. Do not forget you are the fractal origination point. GOD.
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wow chuckle



hf
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
so mabe we can decide whether its a loop or spiral?
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
so mabe we can decide whether its a loop or spiral?
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Or an ellipse.
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Re: Is your existence a loop or a spiral?
so mabe we can decide whether its a loop or spiral?
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Or an ellipse.
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I think it's a loop...everything repeating...

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