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IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...

 
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IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
Why not?.

- It's mega bright in Infrared but almost not visible in the standard spectrum. "Cloaked" more or less.

- It's "expanding" and moving through the interstellar medium.

- It's distance has changed from 290 parsecs up to 120-150 parsecs since 1960s.

- If you look at some pictures, it appears to almost have a "tail" like a giant comet moving through the sky.

- It's ridiculously bright on WWT, Google Sky, and all others.

- It has a million different names... CW Leonis, Penut Nebula, IRC +10216, and many others.

- They found water forming around the surface.

- It's where the "Nibiru insider" said that Nibiru was.

- It's 'coming from' the same area in the sky as Elenin.

- It's super unique, is there another 'star' like it?


What do you guys think?
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
If it was a "spiritual event"... Maybe that's why we can see it in the infrared spectrum?

Maybe it's seeing another "dimension" or something...

What if CW Leonis was traveling here in "energy" form just like someone astral projecting... Except a whole planet.

Or just artificial, like a giant spaceship with a cloak?

It's so strange to me that CW Leonis appears SO bright in Infrared.
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
I agree, there really isn't any other option.
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
I think you are correct OP. It looks like the winged Nibiru they always talk about.


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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
OP, unless you're an Astronomer stfu


Why not?.

- It's mega bright in Infrared but almost not visible in the standard spectrum. "Cloaked" more or less.

- It's "expanding" and moving through the interstellar medium.

- It's distance has changed from 290 parsecs up to 120-150 parsecs since 1960s.

- If you look at some pictures, it appears to almost have a "tail" like a giant comet moving through the sky.

- It's ridiculously bright on WWT, Google Sky, and all others.

- It has a million different names... CW Leonis, Penut Nebula, IRC +10216, and many others.

- They found water forming around the surface.

- It's where the "Nibiru insider" said that Nibiru was.

- It's 'coming from' the same area in the sky as Elenin.

- It's super unique, is there another 'star' like it?


What do you guys think?
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
OP, unless you're an Astronomer stfu


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Go look at some pictures of it. I think OP is on to something.


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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
This was addressed and THOROUGHLY debunked in another thread. Unless CW Leonis is travelling faster than the speed of light, this is impossible. And IF IT WAS travelling faster than light speed, we wouldn't be able to see it.



OP, unless you're an Astronomer stfu


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Go look at some pictures of it. I think OP is on to something.


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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
Thread: Is CW Leonis in our Backyard? Elenin/Nibiru researchers... Read this!


All stars are moving through the interstellar medium.



1968 observation of IRC +10216: [link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] ...
290 parsecs - 945.4 light years away this was the commonly used figure for about 10 years or so
Quoting: Practically ET


While it is good that you provided references you did not read it carefully. In 1968 the distance was determined by using the difference between the integrate flux and the bolometric absolute magnitude. The bolometric absolute magnitude was not well known and a value was used. What is not indicated in the paper is the range of distances obtained when using different bolometric absolute magnitudes. Quoting the text:

Miss Gordon (1968) has shown that the intrinsic luminosities of carbon stars are quite large, ranging up to Mbol = -8 for V CrB, whose spectrum matches IRC+10216 very acceptably on our plates. If one assumes the more modest Mbol = -7 for IRC+10216, and that there is no energy lost to the radiation field in the nebular, then the integrate flux of 1x10^-12 W/cm^2 observed at the Earth leads to a distance of 290 pc and a shell diameter of about 1200 a.u. along the major axis.

So it really is pretty clear what they did.



In the 80's most research used a figure of ~200 parsecs
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]

and this continued into the 90's

This Article from 1999 puts the distance to IRC +10216 at around 200 parsecs or 652 light years:
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]

Then in the late 90's to 2000's it was 100-150 parsecs (note, in the transition both new lower and higher older number might be used)

This article from 2000 put it at 130 parsecs - 423 light years:
[link to www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de]

This article : [link to science.nasa.gov] ...
from 2001 put's CW Leonis at 500 light years away

130 pc - 423
[link to www.asiaa.sinica.edu.tw]

150 parsecs - 1998
[link to www.nasa-academy.org]

In early 2000's lower numbers became the norm for pc distance.
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Again, you have to read the text. Most of the papers are not determining the distance, but using distance determined by others. I found 1650 papers that mention CW Leonis. I have not and will not go through all of them.

First and foremost, unlike the claim made in the wordpress article the distance is not determined by looking at the redshift. The cosmological redshift is swamped by the space motion at that distance.

In a 1978 paper
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]

The distance is found to be between 108 and 220 pc using a Mbol=-5.75

Here you see the bolometric magnetude is different from the -7 used in 1968. Using that value with the 1968 data will give similar values.

Other determination of distances are more subtle. Using mass loss rates and line profiles a 1997 paper finds a best fit distance of 150 pc
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

A detrmination in 1998 estimates the distance to be between 110 135 pc based on luminosity obtained from radiative transfer models matched to observations of CO and mass loss rates
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

Add one other fact, CW Leonis is a variable star shrouded in an nebula. This complicates the process of distance. Unfortunately, CW Leonis was not observed by Hipparcos so an accurate distance is really not known.


Looking through many papers researching CW Leonis, have noticed that distance numbers have steadily decreased over the last 2 decades from 300 parsecs to closer to 100 parsecs. I don't know how big the shell is on this thing, but if it truly was at 120 parsecs in 2000 and moving 100 parsecs a decade, where would that put it now? At our front door. If you don't believe me, go do a google search on 'distance to IRC +10216'. You also will see the creep towards us.
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In one of the refrences you provided it says this:

From the termination-shock standoff distance, we find that IRC+10216 is moving at a speed of about > 91 km/s [1 cm^(-3)/n_(ISM)]^1/2 through the local ISM.
[link to arxiv.org]

So the space velocity is only 91 km/s and not the 100 parsecs per decade you claim.

CW Leonis is a bit of an oddball star. There aren't many like it so distance, based on known properties, is difficult.

The fact of the matter is that the distance has been determined with the best possible evidence at the time. What was not done in 1968 was to state a possible range of distance, that should have been done, rather than giving just one value.

Each subsequent set of observations improves the distance. CW Leonis is nit hurtling toward us at faster than light, we couldn't see it coming if it were.
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
nibiru is a planet.

but if the sun is in a binary relationship with another mass, then IRC +10216 makes a likely candidate, as it is the largest and most prominent thing in the night sky after the moon.

if humans could suddenly see this object in full color, they would shit their pants. all of them.
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
I found this picture...

[link to www.aanda.org]


Look at the 3rd one... Looks like a HUGE comet tail.
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
CW Leonis is a red giant star which is only a few times the mass of the Sun but has expanded to hundreds of times its size.


Hmm... it's "expanded" that much, to a FEW HUNDRED times???

Isn't that a little weird to anyone?
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[link to herschel.cf.ac.uk]
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
You don't know what you're talking about.


nibiru is a planet.

but if the sun is in a binary relationship with another mass, then IRC +10216 makes a likely candidate, as it is the largest and most prominent thing in the night sky after the moon.

if humans could suddenly see this object in full color, they would shit their pants. all of them.
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Not really.


CW Leonis is a red giant star which is only a few times the mass of the Sun but has expanded to hundreds of times its size.


Hmm... it's "expanded" that much, to a FEW HUNDRED times???

Isn't that a little weird to anyone?
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
nibiru is a planet.

but if the sun is in a binary relationship with another mass, then IRC +10216 makes a likely candidate, as it is the largest and most prominent thing in the night sky after the moon.

if humans could suddenly see this object in full color, they would shit their pants. all of them.
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You don't know what you're talking about.
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that is usually true. however, i stand by my statement and encourage imagination.

most stars are in binary orbits. it is rare for a star to be single. link? google works there too.

look at IRC +10216 with a starmap superimposed over the rough size of the IR or other signature(s)

go outside

locate the constellations from the starmap and, in your mind, superimpose IRC +10216 proportionally.

if you can.

if it was visible to your human eye, it would be a prominent object in your field of view.


ever look at andromeda galaxy through a redlense/redfilter? [link to en.wikipedia.org]

norom
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
Dude, it's 650 light years away.
Do you understand what that means?

It takes light 7 minutes to get from our sun to the Earth.

Even if CW Leonis was travelling the speed of light (in which case we couldn't see it), it would take 650 years to get here.




nibiru is a planet.

but if the sun is in a binary relationship with another mass, then IRC +10216 makes a likely candidate, as it is the largest and most prominent thing in the night sky after the moon.

if humans could suddenly see this object in full color, they would shit their pants. all of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342056


You don't know what you're talking about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935589


that is usually true. however, i stand by my statement and encourage imagination.

most stars are in binary orbits. it is rare for a star to be single. link? google works there too.

look at IRC +10216 with a starmap superimposed over the rough size of the IR or other signature(s)

go outside

locate the constellations from the starmap and, in your mind, superimpose IRC +10216 proportionally.

if you can.

if it was visible to your human eye, it would be a prominent object in your field of view.


ever look at andromeda galaxy through a redlense/redfilter? [link to en.wikipedia.org]

norom
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Re: IF Nibiru is real, it MUST be CW Leonis...
Dude, it's 650 light years away.
Do you understand what that means?

It takes light 7 minutes to get from our sun to the Earth.

Even if CW Leonis was travelling the speed of light (in which case we couldn't see it), it would take 650 years to get here.

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Perhaps all you can observe are the cascading chaotic disturbances that permeate into the local dimension. Something binary has never actually left you.

Hypothetically.

Might be watching it through it's own ripples from before it "left".
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Quantum Mechanics, eh?

Well, in that case, I figure all 6 episodes of the Star Wars films are most certainly a documentary.


Dude, it's 650 light years away.
Do you understand what that means?

It takes light 7 minutes to get from our sun to the Earth.

Even if CW Leonis was travelling the speed of light (in which case we couldn't see it), it would take 650 years to get here.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935589


Perhaps all you can observe are the cascading chaotic disturbances that permeate into the local dimension. Something binary has never actually left you.

Hypothetically.

Might be watching it through it's own ripples from before it "left".
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Quantum Mechanics, eh?

Well, in that case, I figure all 6 episodes of the Star Wars films are most certainly a documentary.


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elenin is nibiriu ..if elenin hits earth that mean its nibiriu jp i dont know





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