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VedaTeaching

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Astrochik:

I appreciate your passion for what you believe in.

We are all trying to learn, hopefully from each other.
I am not going to drown you in links all over Internet though I could do that, as it is not helpful to discussion.

I have read about growing Earth theory. I am not saying plate tectnoics full explains the geology of Earth. But it does explain a lot.

You might know about how limestone forms and how it converts into marble. The Shivalik region (lower Himalayas) is very rich im limestone rocks. Limestone is soft material, which erodes easily. Such erosion has been going on millions of years, yet there is still a lot left. There is no doubt that Shivalik region was once under a tropical ocean, which accounts for formation of such a large amount of limestone.

Himalaya is still going through an uplift process, as peaks are still rising despite massive erosion in this area by monsoon. Such uplift is hard to explain without northward movement of South Asian sub-continent (and colliding into main Asia landmass).

Scriptures like Ramayan talk of high snow covered peaks in central India. There is no snow there now. These old mountains have worn down due to erosion and have lost their height. The same is happening in South India where elevations are now lower than they were before. Of course all this eroded material ends up in the sea where it will eventually form new land.
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There are many examples of land appearing from oceans and seas by uplift, as well as sinking of land into the oceans. These processes are not necessarily due to continental drift but other geological processes.

Now let us talk about oceanic ridges and ocean floor spreading. Faults in sea floor crust bring up lava from below just like volcanoes on land. If you look carefully, even continental mountains appear in ridges.

Sea floor spreads due to same factors which cause continental drift (plate tectonics). The gaps appearing in plates are filled with lava where plates pull apart. This forms new ocean crust. However expanding ocean crust does not create new Ocean expanse. Old oceanic crust is simply pushed under the continental masses and gets recycled.

You said 65% of Earth's surface is covered by oceans now. Where is the proof that it was covered by less water 1 billion years before now? How do you know how much land and water was there a billion years from now?
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Astrochik:

I appreciate your passion for what you believe in.

We are all trying to learn, hopefully from each other.
I am not going to drown you in links all over Internet though I could do that, as it is not helpful to discussion.

I have read about growing Earth theory. I am not saying plate tectnoics full explains the geology of Earth. But it does explain a lot.

You might know about how limestone forms and how it converts into marble. The Shivalik region (lower Himalayas) is very rich im limestone rocks. Limestone is soft material, which erodes easily. Such erosion has been going on millions of years, yet there is still a lot left. There is no doubt that Shivalik region was once under a tropical ocean, which accounts for formation of such a large amount of limestone.

Himalaya is still going through an uplift process, as peaks are still rising despite massive erosion in this area by monsoon. Such uplift is hard to explain without northward movement of South Asian sub-continent (and colliding into main Asia landmass).

Scriptures like Ramayan talk of high snow covered peaks in central India. There is no snow there now. These old mountains have worn down due to erosion and have lost their height. The same is happening in South India where elevations are now lower than they were before. Of course all this eroded material ends up in the sea where it will eventually form new land.
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thanks for the reply...i guess...

the mountain ranges can also be explained by the expanding planet model

you did not answer any of my questions, nor post any credible evidence...and you mention "scriptures" as some sort of explanation...lame in a scientific discussion...you say you could drown me in links all over internet - feel free to provide some actual evidence...

also...

you joined glp the day this thread was posted...

and this thread is the only one you have ever posted on...

brings a certain word to mind...

shill
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There are many examples of land appearing from oceans and seas by uplift, as well as sinking of land into the oceans. These processes are not necessarily due to continental drift but other geological processes.

Now let us talk about oceanic ridges and ocean floor spreading. Faults in sea floor crust bring up lava from below just like volcanoes on land. If you look carefully, even continental mountains appear in ridges.

Sea floor spreads due to same factors which cause continental drift (plate tectonics). The gaps appearing in plates are filled with lava where plates pull apart. This forms new ocean crust. However expanding ocean crust does not create new Ocean expanse
. Old oceanic crust is simply pushed under the continental masses and gets recycled.

You said 65% of Earth's surface is covered by oceans now. Where is the proof that it was covered by less water 1 billion years before now? How do you know how much land and water was there a billion years from now?
 Quoting: VedaTeaching


you make assertions but show no evidence

show some evidence or let's not waste each other's time.

I don't claim to know this and it's immaterial to the discussion at hand...

fits perfectly with the expando planet model

there's way too much new ocean crust to be accounted for by subduction...

and what drives this process? just because I can't perfectly explain what drives the expando planet model, does not mean it's not valid. the process that drives plate tectonic theory is only theory - it's not proven nor does it make much sense.

the evidence is more supported by my theory.
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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You are right the earth is expanding but not just because of the sun. It is because we are and have been going through a galatic wave of suatomic particles that pass into the center of our earth and other bodies in our system even the sun is bieing affected. This does happen in cycles there is a least afected 11800 year cycle and the more extream 26000 year cycle. These suatomic particle's are comming from the center of our galaxie in waves like you see our sun expelling waves on soho link . these suatomic particles enter react with our core and other bodies to produce matter in greater quanties at given times. i think if you think of our system all of it as a recycling plant as matter such as stars and other forms bieing asorbed by a black hole it compresses this into subatomic particles and expells it back out into the galaxie. to reform more matter . This also does have to do with our place in the galatic plane. thats why it's divided into 2 cycle's 11800 and 26000 . if this gives you some food for though then good if not ok.
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You are right the earth is expanding but not just because of the sun. It is because we are and have been going through a galatic wave of suatomic particles that pass into the center of our earth and other bodies in our system even the sun is bieing affected. This does happen in cycles there is a least afected 11800 year cycle and the more extream 26000 year cycle. These suatomic particle's are comming from the center of our galaxie in waves like you see our sun expelling waves on soho link . these suatomic particles enter react with our core and other bodies to produce matter in greater quanties at given times. i think if you think of our system all of it as a recycling plant as matter such as stars and other forms bieing asorbed by a black hole it compresses this into subatomic particles and expells it back out into the galaxie. to reform more matter . This also does have to do with our place in the galatic plane. thats why it's divided into 2 cycle's 11800 and 26000 . if this gives you some food for though then good if not ok.
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alright some real discussion - are we up for a big cycle or a small one - do you have a reason to believe one way or the other ?

Sounds reasonable to me - that space is a "vacuum" seems unlikely or how could stars and planets form from it?

I would love to see any links or other material on this interesting theory of the mechanism of expansion - and if the earth expands from this then does the sun also expand?
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The true propose of the LHC's Is to try and discover these subatomic particles so that they hope they can find the particles that can turn lead into gold so to speak they are looking for the one and only ( PHILOSPHER'S STONE ) Of information. In Particle Physics .
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As i said all body's are affected just look at the affects on all of the other planet's thats happening also. The sun is no exception.
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I remember my mom telling me that, in the end, Hell has to expand to make room for the damned.
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To better learn more about these cycles you will need to do more research. On Past Geological records like going back to 11800 years then try and ck on 26000 years and see what you find that happen in those time periods. Sorry about typo's doing 3 things at once. Hope you know these are just Theory's.
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Don't worrie 51 there will be plenty of room for all That lie.
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To better learn more about these cycles you will need to do more research. On Past Geological records like going back to 11800 years then try and ck on 26000 years and see what you find that happen in those time periods. Sorry about typo's doing 3 things at once. Hope you know these are just Theory's.
 Quoting: korbin 1501755


if you have any sites to suggest when you have time I would like to check them out - I have read a few and I see the evidence points to expansion but the repercussions are a little daunting so I want to know what's up with this and what to expect...

Where do you think the safest places to be when it happens and what time frame entailed according to your sources?afro
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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Would not want you to think I know the safest place. Can say just google future USN Map
[link to rickmick.com]


[link to www.google.com]
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[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

take a look at this map...
 Quoting: Astrochik

here is the map - again - look at it...
 Quoting: Astrochik


Or better yet, check this Neal Adams (Batman artist) computer animation made from that map, and the US Navy data from which it was made:
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If you truly want to learn more about things you can apply to expanding earth Theory. Will try to send a few links like this

[link to itl.chem.ufl.edu]


[link to wiki.answers.com]

And here is the best one but have to take your time with it.


[link to www.etheric.com]
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[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

take a look at this map...
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Astrochick are you OCD? How many posts can you fit in one thread. Lol
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[link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov]

take a look at this map...
 Quoting: Astrochik

here is the map - again - look at it...
 Quoting: Astrochik


Or better yet, check this Neal Adams (Batman artist) computer animation made from that map, and the US Navy data from which it was made:

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683


nice! thank you afro
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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i will wait foe a response...

hfafroafroafrohf
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I think I love you. Are you married?
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y'all are confusing me!

The earth, is indeed, growing

The gravity used to be less

Therefore taller animals lived here - that could not live in our gravity

Could a Brontosaur live in today's gravity?

Well, could he?
 Quoting: Astrochik


No. Not only because of the increase in gravity, but also because the oxygen content of air has shrunk.
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Well OP, it´s all a matter of perception.
Maybe THE METER in Paris shrank; who knows.
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Well OP, it´s all a matter of perception.
Maybe THE METER in Paris shrank; who knows.
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Exactly.

For example, if we were all expanding, along with the earth, how would we know? As it is, we don't feel the spinning of the earth and we don't feel earth hurtling around the sun, nor the solar system spinning around the center of the galaxy, nor the galaxy hurtling through space.

Well if we can't feel all that, why should we feel expansion? Expansion explains gravity.

QED.
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i will wait foe a response...

hfafroafroafrohf
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I think I love you. Are you married?
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no...1rof1

thanks you made my day for the second time today...

first time was on the hurricane irene limerick thread...

still laugh when I think about it..

thanks for visiting my thread - what do you think of the expanding earth theory?


I think it's true, but thinking about an expansion event scares me so maybe I need a strong man to protect me...?

smile_hearsmile_kissohyeah
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1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit





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