ASTRAL PROJECTORS! PLEASE help this novice! Vibration state....

Sungaze could help you

Really? Won't that damage my eyes...?

Yes, it will.

Take no notice.

No it wont. i have done it a lot and it have only helped me.

Just do it carefully in the morning or evening when the sun isent that bright

Maybe you can use some of these videos

Thread: Sleep Paralysis hypothesis theory Part 2 - The Abduction Connection

There is also some about sungazing

Then you are lucky.

You are also very irresponsible.

By all means do that yourself, but to advise others to do the same is completely ridiculous.

Take a look at the link below and an experiment that was done.

[link to www.strudel.org.uk]

You will be able to astral project when you don't need it for your purposes. You know, Service To Self stuff,I am just assuming it is your case. Astral doesn't play with STS and it doesn't appear to your comfort when you want it, unless you forget about manipulating it you will never be able to astral project. Start from here.

Interesting take.

I just felt to clarify a bit. Do not ever focus on stuff when you want to reach OOBE. An active mind is an obstacle and the biggest obstacle is the eager state of mind of opening astral travel to itself, it is a trap. There needs to be confidence and that means a relaxed state of mind when dealing with OOBE, not over-excitement about it, excitement is an aggressive and active focus and that gets in the way. Just relax and make yourself as a slave towards it, just as in sex when you do it for the girl and not for yourself that's when you understand how much you cherish her and less yourself.

concentrate on your breathing and get into a strong pattern of counting it out, keep your mind empty ( ie dont think about spearing out of your body), close down all thoughts and do your breathing rhythm.

Then you will notice that your body starts rocking (best to do this lying down), keep your breathing in pattern and go along with the rocking.

After the rocking you will notice a tingling scalp and then you will hear a roar and it will feel like you are in a wind tunnel.

You might lose consciousness for a moment at this point but you will wake up outside and probably feel really spooked.

Thank you very much. So it sounds then by this viewpoint that I'm just "not ready" for it? I'll look more into STS...

Wow, really interesting analogy. So tying in with doing it more for the good of others? I just hope that I can realize this in earnest, because it seems unfortunately to be a far reach (not ultimately be doing it for myself...)

I don't know though, it just seems that when I read of people attaining vibrational stages and OOBEs online, they don't exactly seem to always be the most noble/wise/life-experienced types. And it's hard to tell if these individuals are truly experiencing projection or just having an extremely active imagination.

Make sure you aren't taking any medications .. or even smoking weed .. both of those things kill my astral projection at night, which I actually do on purpose..

Sounds like maybe you are hitting sleep to soon ..

When you lay down, make it on a stiff bed .. no pillows, lay on your back .. when you hit the point of fleeting thoughts right before you fall out is when you should be able to seperate yourself..

Hard for me to explain because I have been doing it since I was a child .. totally not asking for it ..

But I have found positioning for me has a lot to do with it ..

Good luck :)

Thank you Rosie! Actually I stopped drinking and smoking about a month ago, but this was after a few years of excess (including overall unhealthy living). I wonder if this could be factoring into my current blockage. Hopefully my brain/mind/soul can recover quickly :-\

Smoking is not a factor because as we know Robert Monroe smoked all of his life, I cannot comment of drinking, but I am sure that it cannot be a real obstacle as well, the only problem is overcoming the complex mind, the more complex the more impossible to Astral Project. Do not listen to those that give you accurate instructions as that may world for them, but not for you. The ONLY way to enter your soul is to know your own way. It's not that hard, in fat it should be the pleasant experience of getting intimate with your being. This intimate relationship will be felt deep when the subject gets closer to the OOBE. I can surely say that if you OP do not feel one with yourself and at peace, you have to acquire that first. You do that by looking at yourself and world around you more closely, give more attention to it than yourself, forget about astral projection and look around you, what do you see in contrast with yourself?

Acknowledge the fact that everything you see is a part of you, in fact it is you and I mean it, I can prove it to you easily. Everything you see is a part of the external reality, let's cal if that because it is outside your vision. Now ask yourself what is your starting point, from where you look into the outside? The screen that embraces even your physcal body, who is behind that is behind that screen? And where is it located? Do you see any connection between the screen and what is displayed onto it?

Awesome posts.

I concur with this poster.

Those saying they astral project every night are not really, they are either lucid dreaming or having etheric/real-time projection. Astral projection is entirely different.. it is more like an DMT (psychedelic) trip.

I had 1 true astral experience after 1 month of daily lying down practice (watching breath, not falling asleep), practicing for 1 hour a day. I realized in that experience i was not yet ready.. it was very powrerful.

Any cannabis use kills mine for at least 2 weeks.

The thing is you can never trick yourself, and Astral plane is closer to your real being than you can imagine, Astral is the one that never lies about you, so that means you can never trick it. Doing as you say good to others must come only if you feel that good for others character, it should not come as a goal because that is again a STS type of thinking, just as they say you can never buy happiness and love, that means you cannot manipulate it or order it for you when you want it.

And the vibrational state should never be expected. So if you never experienced it hoe can you know how it feels, only from your imagination based on others opinions? What is that experience is much deeper than you ever imagined? It's no wonder that in these things you should never listen to proper opinions of others because real experience is not possible to pass onto others.

Have i told him to use a telescope ?

He asked for advise how to provoke the vibrations.
and i told him how i did it. Did you ever get blind for looking at the sun ? or yellow fingers of masturbating to much ?

Can you tell me why all the sungazers havent gone blind since you belive you know all

one tip that helped me.

I dont know how it is for you guys and your nature etc, if you have places where its safe to go in the night where noone is.

What i did (i live on an island in sweden, we dont have alot of people here and i have pretty much land here and some are big mountains) i went to the mountains one clear and warm summer evening, i stayed on the mountain all night.

Trying to be one with this place, our earth and everything in it. I dont know if i meet my spiritguide or something, i had loads of animals come really close to me, like deer and 2 rabbits, also a moose who was basicly 3 meters from me and this kinda freaked me out, anyway... when the sun came up, it was like someone knocked me in the head with a stick and i just feel asleep, wakeing up seconds after realizeing i was standing next to my body. And all around me was these animals, but the were kind of transperant looking at me. I said something like "what the fuck is this shit? am i dreaming?"... and one wolf came close to me and said "no, this is where we reside, this is your real home, you can visit us whenever you want".... then i was pushed to the ground but basicly that was back into my body.

After that, all i have to do is to lay on my back and focus on the wolf and what i said and he will come and get me.

This was 7 years ago, and i do them atleast 3-4 times a week.

Also to all the people who go with the "when you are astral traveling your body can get possesed"... i assure you it cant, first you are connected to it via the spinalcord, and second. There is always 2 or 3 of your guardian spirits guarding your body while you are away. They are far more powerful than the bad enteties since they vibrate higher than the dark once.

If you ever meet a dark entity, just embrace it with no fear and you have the power to transform them and let them free, some of them are close to us because they want to be free, and we are some of the few who can cross realm and have the energy to set them free.

Remember we are all on this planet strong spirits, since we had the energy and the will to manifest into flesh and blood. Some of our brothers and sister on the astralplane cant do that.

Some call us wanderers. Some of us are really ancient spirits, we choose our own life and path.

There is no punishment, we live and we learn and we grow.

Best of luck to you op, remember... there is no fear but fear itself, you can never die, you are the entity we call life.

astral projection is just dreaming. LUCID dreaming.


what it sounds like ou are asking about is geting to the etheric light body


this is limited anyways. you cant really go far in it.


maybe just around your bedroom.


what you WANT is lucidity in your dreams so that you can go to alternate planes higher than the astral. Look Up the Mental plane. Its more interesting. There is more out there than OBE.


Lucid Dreaming youll be guided to places you can even imagine.



I recently was shown that greys are advanced bioengineering androids made by the reptilian brain controlling the british kingdom.

my dream guide took me to the gates of Nazareth to reveal this to me.


IVe also gone way back in the past to a memory of flying a metalic dragon aircraft with only my mind as the controller.




dont be so hellbent on getting obe. It might come natuarally after you sharpen your dream recal ability.

write your dreams down, read them.


durring the day lift your hands in front of your eyes and ask yourself if you are dreaming. everytime you pass through a doorway ask yourself if you are dreaming.


eventually in a dream youll realize you are dreaming and then..well thats when the fun starts!

goodluck. and before you get into this stuff make sure you have proven to the eye in the sky that you are on the right path. stop anything considered "bad" or irresponsible. THEY want to see you take the right path.

blessings chaver.

It may be an issue .. I am some people are ok with it .. I smoke a lot and it most def. blocks me .. It takes me a good month before my dreams/astral projections return .. Try doing a fast/cleanse .. this should rid your body of a lot of toxins .. :)

ok here it is:
when your body start the fase of vibration ,it gets stronger by the second, keep going ,try to hold your breath,and go for it.

I think I have many conquests in my mind to attain before I can get to where I've been trying to go. As you said, if I'm not at peace with myself I need to acquire that first. But I feel that the answers I seek that would help me conquer these hindrances are to be found on other planes than that which I now currently find and see myself in (the earthly/material plane). I have been dissociating myself from the world in past years, perhaps as a defense mechanism...I guess I need to work now on opening back up and taking more of it in.

Also, try to really figure out the 'functioning' of your energy body, you should be able to realize that when you settle down and clear your mind almost immediately you feel energy flowing through you, work with that energy, bring more of it to you, try to feel your chakras, become aware of how it functions so you can manipulate it at will, because when youre trying to astral project youre really just trying amass a giant amount of energy so you can project it out, don't worry about the 'projecting' part, just have the intent and your soul will do it for you, the key thing is to learn to gather energy and to learn to quiet down the mind and calm the body enough to 'forget' about this entire reality so that you can dissapear from it.

There are a few factors:

First off, any of the above methods can work both before/after Phase 1; they are not contradictory.

Issues of importance:
1.) It seems easier when you are not swamped with real life stress, or rather. Only try and AP when there isn't a more pressing issue in your day-to-day living routine.

2.) Physical fitness has an impact, the stronger your body the harder it will be to separate, in this case, things like tobacco can actually be of benefit. Synthetic medications, including alcohol however do not help.

3.) It takes practice more than anything else, try honestly each night, as you are falling asleep to either feel yourself rising or falling (same in the end really) for at least 30 days.

Eventually you'll notice yourself falling asleep and in doing so will 'snap' back to fully awake; this is the part you have to 'just let happen', it's also the hardest part to do and the most difficult step in the entire process.

One point of advice that I have on this is to take it slow, being over eager when you start feeling this will over excite you and snap you back or you will try and push and it will snap you back. You need to almost restrict the speed of slipping into Phase 1 when you are learning.

Best of luck!

No, that's okay, you just continue gazing at the sun with your bare eyes.

I can get into the vibrational state ocassionally but not much past it. I can't get into the vibrational state all the time, and sometimes only for moments before i lose it, but i can provide you with some ideas.

Fortunately for me, I reached the vibrational state on my 3rd day trying. It was after I read a couple books and was extremely excited to see if it was real, much to my surprise and shock. The first 2 nights i thought i saw something, or thought I felt something, but it wasn't until the 3rd night when I reached the vibrational state which is unmistakable. Your body vibrates loudly, and you can physically feel it. It's a scary feeling, not to mention the realization that what was said - up to that point at least - is true. The method I used to reach it the first time was "brain strain." It's where you squeeze your brain, like your flexing a muscle, for a couple seconds, then release, making sure you don't actually exert any physical movement, or facial muscles.

For the next year it was on and off. Sometimes i had too much on my mind to even attempt to try. Most of the time however, it was a lack of focus and concentration. Those little itches pop up which can be unbearable.

What I learned from first hand experience is that you need to be concentrating on something, which is why there are so many different methods. Paying attention to things like light patters, or visualizing objects keeps your mind occupied so you don't fall asleep.

The first thing you need to work on is breathing. Breath in and out about 50 times. Don't count, but follow your breath. Once your heart beat slows down and you become relaxed you can start working on your methods of inducing the vibrational state while attempting to not fall asleep. (it's best to do it when you're not too tired, and not hopped up on caffeine or stimulants.

The key which I have noticed recently is to bring in your energy. I think when we're awake physically our energy extends outside of our body. Focus on bringing your energy in close. Imagine that you're becoming more dense. This should start to feel like your room is getting smaller and everything is very close.

You must remain perfectly still - not move a single muscle. Eye movement is ok as long as you don't open them. If you are having a problem with swallowing, prop your chin slightly back with your pillow so if you have to shallow you can do so without moving your face. Keeping your chin tucked makes your face move a bit when you have to swallow.

Eventually you'll want to not move at all, but getting to the vibrational stage seems easier this way. My problem for over a year was body movement. Don't worry about the movement of swallowing as much as you will slowly forget the desire to swallow or move.

Then, focus on your breathing again. Breathe in, breathe out and keep doing it, following your breath to where you feel like you're on a ship that is rocking back and forth, front to back, or side to side. Once you start feeling the rocking, you'll begin to notice something happening. You might see geometric light patters, blue and red flashes of lightning, or faces and shapes... strange ghost like white smoke that seems to move around and dance in front of you...

You might hear a rumbling in your ears. I can't tell if this is part of the vibration, or your jaw muscles relaxing (i think it's your facial muscles). Then, you'll start to hear the vibration. It might come quickly or it might build softly. However it comes, try to relax and not let your heart rate increase as you'll lose it.

From here, I don't know. I'm trying to freely get back to the vibrational state and then control it, but i haven't gotten that far yet. Good luck and i hope this actually helps you.