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Parents of seven told: "Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again"

 
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did you really just write that? i give up...
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 Quoting: No-world-order


no its my opinion, I actually detest looking at fat lard arses. they represent the realm of gluttony and my conscience will not sit easily with that.

more, more, more, give me more NOW..urrgh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


so post a pic of yourself here and lets all vote on it? see how you like it? i challenge you???

how do you know they are gluttonous??? i can eat all day, cakes, chololate etc etc and never put on weight, the only way i can put on weight is to bodybuild/weight-train whereas others just natually put on weight fast, it really is genetic.

also there are phsycological issues.

its not as black and white as you think.
 Quoting: No-world-order


umm who are you trying to convince here. In denial much?

You are what you eat you fool. Thats what a hate about fat people as well - all the lame excuses. pathetic. like I said there is one way to loose weight and that is to eat less. you got fat cos you ate too much. nothing more nothing less all the rest is lies you tell yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


someone who can't even type LOSE instead of LOOSE has no right criticizing anyone. look within, poster. you might think you are perfect on the outside, but you need some serious work internally.

secondly, i would like to point out, people often talk about survival, and how fat people won't make it. let me ask you this, have you ever been in a room with a bunch of people, and there is the last *insert food item here, piece of chicken, donut, etc*? the fat person will dive in and take your ass down if they are hungry. so think twice.
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What if, just for arguments sake, this saved those childrens lives?
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


'scuse me for playing devils advocate. It was a question not a statement. The question remains unanswered.

I'll rephrase. If staying with the parents equates to dying of heart disease or some other obecity related death at an early age and living elsewhere adds 20-30 years to their lifespan, is that a negative?

Not asking about 'quality of life' simply 'life span'.
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


But, how do you know "for sure" what will happen. There are fat people without health issues, regardless of what doctors may tell you. Maybe a knee replacement at 50, but some really don't have any. So, if a child gets bulemia to stay fit, will they be taken away, too? After all, their teeth may rot and theirs a host of problems bad teeth can bring.

This is a question of "if it can begin with being fat, where does it end"?
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What if, just for arguments sake, this saved those childrens lives?
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


'scuse me for playing devils advocate. It was a question not a statement. The question remains unanswered.

I'll rephrase. If staying with the parents equates to dying of heart disease or some other obecity related death at an early age and living elsewhere adds 20-30 years to their lifespan, is that a negative?

Not asking about 'quality of life' simply 'life span'.
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


In the article it says, they only put on weight when they were with the parents, I see that as that's the only time they were happy. I didn't see anywhere in the article that they lost weight when they were in care or fostered. If thae had happened it would have been mentioned to make the parents look worse. I don't think it will make any difference, but I guess only time will tell on that.
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I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


I really have a science degree. Caloric intake and exercise are what makes us fat or thin. I'd send you my CV, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
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I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


i know your a bit of a dumby but try to follow if you can...

growth hormone plays a huge role in weight gain/loss...2 people can eat exactly the same calories and one gets heavier faster than the other especially in kids.

are you still following?

now if you add that to a lack of exercise, one of the kids sitting infront of a tv all day and the other is out playing football etc (still eating the exact same amount of calories) you can easily see how one kid gets fatter quicker than the other

its a combination of things not JUST eating...
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no its my opinion, I actually detest looking at fat lard arses. they represent the realm of gluttony and my conscience will not sit easily with that.

more, more, more, give me more NOW..urrgh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


so post a pic of yourself here and lets all vote on it? see how you like it? i challenge you???

how do you know they are gluttonous??? i can eat all day, cakes, chololate etc etc and never put on weight, the only way i can put on weight is to bodybuild/weight-train whereas others just natually put on weight fast, it really is genetic.

also there are phsycological issues.

its not as black and white as you think.
 Quoting: No-world-order


umm who are you trying to convince here. In denial much?

You are what you eat you fool. Thats what a hate about fat people as well - all the lame excuses. pathetic. like I said there is one way to loose weight and that is to eat less. you got fat cos you ate too much. nothing more nothing less all the rest is lies you tell yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


someone who can't even type LOSE instead of LOOSE has no right criticizing anyone. look within, poster. you might think you are perfect on the outside, but you need some serious work internally.

secondly, i would like to point out, people often talk about survival, and how fat people won't make it. let me ask you this, have you ever been in a room with a bunch of people, and there is the last *insert food item here, piece of chicken, donut, etc*? the fat person will dive in and take your ass down if they are hungry. so think twice.
 Quoting: IdiotSavant


God Im not evil because I dont like fatties. lol

I would be surprised if you could find me a single fat person who eats a healthy diet.

I have no sympathy for gluttons. Ive seen the amount of food piled on their plates and it makes me queasy.
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Re: Parents of seven told: "Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again"
I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


I really have a science degree. Caloric intake and exercise are what makes us fat or thin. I'd send you my CV, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
 Quoting: INK 1531223

did you purchase your degree? science degree is a broad term. it it in geology, perhaps?

weight gain/loss is often triggered by hormones. that is scientific fact. stress hormones, such as cortisol, have a huge impact on weight.
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What if, just for arguments sake, this saved those childrens lives?
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


'scuse me for playing devils advocate. It was a question not a statement. The question remains unanswered.

I'll rephrase. If staying with the parents equates to dying of heart disease or some other obecity related death at an early age and living elsewhere adds 20-30 years to their lifespan, is that a negative?

Not asking about 'quality of life' simply 'life span'.
 Quoting: Mr Snafu


In the article it says, they only put on weight when they were with the parents, I see that as that's the only time they were happy. I didn't see anywhere in the article that they lost weight when they were in care or fostered. If thae had happened it would have been mentioned to make the parents look worse. I don't think it will make any difference, but I guess only time will tell on that.
 Quoting: alexisj9


Comfort eating? Perhaps, as I've often heard, they are over eating due to feeling unhappy. If that only occurs when they are with the parents... just a thought.
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so post a pic of yourself here and lets all vote on it? see how you like it? i challenge you???

how do you know they are gluttonous??? i can eat all day, cakes, chololate etc etc and never put on weight, the only way i can put on weight is to bodybuild/weight-train whereas others just natually put on weight fast, it really is genetic.

also there are phsycological issues.

its not as black and white as you think.
 Quoting: No-world-order


umm who are you trying to convince here. In denial much?

You are what you eat you fool. Thats what a hate about fat people as well - all the lame excuses. pathetic. like I said there is one way to loose weight and that is to eat less. you got fat cos you ate too much. nothing more nothing less all the rest is lies you tell yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


someone who can't even type LOSE instead of LOOSE has no right criticizing anyone. look within, poster. you might think you are perfect on the outside, but you need some serious work internally.

secondly, i would like to point out, people often talk about survival, and how fat people won't make it. let me ask you this, have you ever been in a room with a bunch of people, and there is the last *insert food item here, piece of chicken, donut, etc*? the fat person will dive in and take your ass down if they are hungry. so think twice.
 Quoting: IdiotSavant


God Im not evil because I dont like fatties. lol

I would be surprised if you could find me a single fat person who eats a healthy diet.

I have no sympathy for gluttons. Ive seen the amount of food piled on their plates and it makes me queasy.
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please post a pic of yourself? show us all how great you are?
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Re: Parents of seven told: "Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again"
I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


i know your a bit of a dumby but try to follow if you can...

growth hormone plays a huge role in weight gain/loss...2 people can eat exactly the same calories and one gets heavier faster than the other especially in kids.

are you still following?

now if you add that to a lack of exercise, one of the kids sitting infront of a tv all day and the other is out playing football etc (still eating the exact same amount of calories) you can easily see how one kid gets fatter quicker than the other

its a combination of things not JUST eating...
 Quoting: No-world-order


and you know the answer dont you...

EAT LESS

and presto...

just give me a fat person, give me a week and I will turn them skinny..

duct tape anyone?
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I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


I really have a science degree. Caloric intake and exercise are what makes us fat or thin. I'd send you my CV, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
 Quoting: INK 1531223

did you purchase your degree? science degree is a broad term. it it in geology, perhaps?

weight gain/loss is often triggered by hormones. that is scientific fact. stress hormones, such as cortisol, have a huge impact on weight.
 Quoting: IdiotSavant


finally someone with a brain!!!
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I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


i know your a bit of a dumby but try to follow if you can...

growth hormone plays a huge role in weight gain/loss...2 people can eat exactly the same calories and one gets heavier faster than the other especially in kids.

are you still following?

now if you add that to a lack of exercise, one of the kids sitting infront of a tv all day and the other is out playing football etc (still eating the exact same amount of calories) you can easily see how one kid gets fatter quicker than the other

its a combination of things not JUST eating...
 Quoting: No-world-order


You obviously are kind of ignorant, so just let me explain (again) how it works. Yes, metabolism can differ from person to person, but not by as much as you may believe. Exercise will help speed up metabolic rate, so even when you are not exercising, your body will burn calories more efficiently and faster. Genetics is certainly part of it, but it's more lifestyle and diet. As for things like growth hormone, you are speaking out of your ass. Please re-read my other post, all you did was repost some of what I said, and you still got it wrong.
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I have a science degree and have studied much, anatomy and physiology, human biology, pathology, and nutrition. Except for a few (rare) disorders, the only reason people get fat is because they eat too much. Does metabolism differ from person to person? yes, but just because my 6'2 husband can consume 2000 or more calories a day and not get fat doesn't mean that I can. Start with you height and bone structure (which doesn't vary as much as some would have you believe, our skeletons are pretty much small, medium and large), look at a chart, see what your ideal weight is and go for that target. Also, don't eat fast food, watch your sugar and fat intake, exercise daily, and you will be a normal weight. It's not that freakin' difficult.
 Quoting: INK 1531223


bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


funny, because it's suppose to be how it burns fat. It really isn't all about calories coming in.

You all think you know what makes people fat? How are you so sure when there are 1,000's of books written about the subject that don't agree.

Some say it's about not loading up on carbs and sugars and then the fat can get burned easier. This is starting to work for me, although, very slowly and I'm eating more calories now than on any other diet that I couldn't lose a pound on (and was eating 800 calories a day). I went vegan for 6 weeks one time and didn't lose a pound,although I lost alot of $ buying the food.

So, really, I know it's hard for some of you haters to resist, but NO, it's really not that simple. You all think it's about shoveling food in your mouth. I've never been a big eater and have no problem missing meals and this may have been what has hindered my weight loss. I haven't given up and for ME and the way MY body works, I've had more luck recently eating MORE but cutting alot of carbs and no sugar.
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so post a pic of yourself here and lets all vote on it? see how you like it? i challenge you???

how do you know they are gluttonous??? i can eat all day, cakes, chololate etc etc and never put on weight, the only way i can put on weight is to bodybuild/weight-train whereas others just natually put on weight fast, it really is genetic.

also there are phsycological issues.

its not as black and white as you think.
 Quoting: No-world-order


umm who are you trying to convince here. In denial much?

You are what you eat you fool. Thats what a hate about fat people as well - all the lame excuses. pathetic. like I said there is one way to loose weight and that is to eat less. you got fat cos you ate too much. nothing more nothing less all the rest is lies you tell yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


someone who can't even type LOSE instead of LOOSE has no right criticizing anyone. look within, poster. you might think you are perfect on the outside, but you need some serious work internally.

secondly, i would like to point out, people often talk about survival, and how fat people won't make it. let me ask you this, have you ever been in a room with a bunch of people, and there is the last *insert food item here, piece of chicken, donut, etc*? the fat person will dive in and take your ass down if they are hungry. so think twice.
 Quoting: IdiotSavant


God Im not evil because I dont like fatties. lol

I would be surprised if you could find me a single fat person who eats a healthy diet.

I have no sympathy for gluttons. Ive seen the amount of food piled on their plates and it makes me queasy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


let me just point out that you seem to worry about others, too often. something for you to think about later, as to
why.

i don't know, have you done case studies of all of the fat people in the world, and taken a journal of their daily dietary intake? if you are going to obsess about other people's weight, you should get to work on that.
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You don't get it. You come back from Asia where people have a very simple diet and probably a lifestyle not terribly different from what they've had for generations, to a country where all the food is adulterated and poisoned, and where corn syrup is literally in just about every food product, and where people have to drive miles to get ANYWHERE just so they can afford to live SOMEWHERE. I also just moved. I moved from the city, which I could no longer afford, but where people can at least get some exercise walking, to a one of these horrible damn suburbs where EVERYONE is fat, EVERYONE, because they drive everywhere. I don't think these people have terrible or massive diets. They eat some sweets, some fried foods, but probably not much more than they did a generation ago. OBESITY IS BUILT INTO THE CURRENT AMERICAN LIFESTYLE. If you took those thin Asians and moved them over here into an American suburb....they would get FAT in 2-3 years. And if the adults didn't, the kids would.

Instead of supporting a system that takes away people's children PERMANENTLY, which is inherently EVIL, you should ask what kinds of things have happened in 20-30 years that have made people so fat? It's NOT that the people have changed. The foods and medication and environment and way of life have changed. You have to be hyper-vigilant to avoid food additives, and GMO, and fluoride and all the other crap that mega corporations add to our food. They would feed us dog crap in tubes if they could fool us into buying it.

An entire people do not get fat because there's something wrong with them. It's what's wrong around them. Just wait till those Asians start feeling the effects of the Fukushima radiation in the next generation, whatever those effects will be (probably birth/genetic defects and massive cancer). Will you blame THEM too for what was created around them?


Yeah the food here sucks, totally unnatural I will be the first to say it. But who is forcing you to eat hydrogenated fats and oils, and processed food full of GMO corn?

And anyway that is not the major problem. The problem is just people eating too damn much just for the enjoyment of it. Americans feel like they need to eat 3 huge meals a day plus snacks in between. Go overseas you will see the difference, people in asia might eat one big meal a day, and 1 or 2 much smaller meals, and almost never eat snacks and drink soft drinks.

Stop making freaking excuses about the food being poisoned, or your genetics. Look in the mirrror, all fat people need to look in the mirror and face the fact that is your own choices that got you 50, or 100, or 200 pounds or more overweight.

Just another product the of liberal movement, 'its not my fault, its someone elses fault", BS! start acting responsible for yourself.

And to the fatso that said its their choice and it shouldnt matter to me if someone chooses to be fat. Well your wrong, because it affects me, you are a burden on our society, you are part the reason medical insurance is so high. Not to mention the cost of medicare and medicaid which is funded by my tax dollars! and with obama care it is going to get even worse. So start taking care of yourself because it really pisses me off having to pay for your unhealthy lifestyle!
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bullshit! you have no science degree by what you have said. there are many reasons why some people gain weight more than others.

of course the main one is eating more than you burn but what about water retention for example? genetics, metabolism, GROWTH HORMONE etc etc...
 Quoting: No-world-order


we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512215


i know your a bit of a dumby but try to follow if you can...

growth hormone plays a huge role in weight gain/loss...2 people can eat exactly the same calories and one gets heavier faster than the other especially in kids.

are you still following?

now if you add that to a lack of exercise, one of the kids sitting infront of a tv all day and the other is out playing football etc (still eating the exact same amount of calories) you can easily see how one kid gets fatter quicker than the other

its a combination of things not JUST eating...
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You obviously are kind of ignorant, so just let me explain (again) how it works. Yes, metabolism can differ from person to person, but not by as much as you may believe. Exercise will help speed up metabolic rate, so even when you are not exercising, your body will burn calories more efficiently and faster. Genetics is certainly part of it, but it's more lifestyle and diet. As for things like growth hormone, you are speaking out of your ass. Please re-read my other post, all you did was repost some of what I said, and you still got it wrong.
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read this stupid [link to www.physorg.com]
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bet they won't do this to an illegal immigrant family
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What if, just for arguments sake, this saved those childrens lives?
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Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
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OWNED!!!

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"Normal government issued weight range???" Those kids don't fall into ANY normal weight range. The kids shouldn't be taken away, the parents should be forced to pay fines or go to jail for being stupid as fuck. These kids won't turn into psychopaths... they will be riding around a grocery store in a motorized cart filling the basket up with Twinkies and ho-hos being paid for by the tax payers because they have a "disability." Being a fat lazy piece of shit isn't a disability. If you're too fat to go grocery shopping then you don't need to eat!
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Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
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'scuse me for playing devils advocate. It was a question not a statement. The question remains unanswered.

I'll rephrase. If staying with the parents equates to dying of heart disease or some other obecity related death at an early age and living elsewhere adds 20-30 years to their lifespan, is that a negative?

Not asking about 'quality of life' simply 'life span'.
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In the article it says, they only put on weight when they were with the parents, I see that as that's the only time they were happy. I didn't see anywhere in the article that they lost weight when they were in care or fostered. If thae had happened it would have been mentioned to make the parents look worse. I don't think it will make any difference, but I guess only time will tell on that.
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Comfort eating? Perhaps, as I've often heard, they are over eating due to feeling unhappy. If that only occurs when they are with the parents... just a thought.
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Wouldn't have been able to, the social workers were monitoring what the kids were eating, so they were probably getting only breakfast lunch and dinner. Anything else the parents would have known would have gone down in the kids are eating to much book. Except fruit snacks. It was because the dad move out because he got claustrophobic and the mum took the kids to were he was living sometimes. The rules were not 100% followed. This is wrong.
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we are not fools darlin...lol.

wheres the calories coming from then, oh yeah your glands just majik them up out of thin air and make fat out of it...cos we was born like it ....looool.

at least you make me laugh.
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i know your a bit of a dumby but try to follow if you can...

growth hormone plays a huge role in weight gain/loss...2 people can eat exactly the same calories and one gets heavier faster than the other especially in kids.

are you still following?

now if you add that to a lack of exercise, one of the kids sitting infront of a tv all day and the other is out playing football etc (still eating the exact same amount of calories) you can easily see how one kid gets fatter quicker than the other

its a combination of things not JUST eating...
 Quoting: No-world-order


You obviously are kind of ignorant, so just let me explain (again) how it works. Yes, metabolism can differ from person to person, but not by as much as you may believe. Exercise will help speed up metabolic rate, so even when you are not exercising, your body will burn calories more efficiently and faster. Genetics is certainly part of it, but it's more lifestyle and diet. As for things like growth hormone, you are speaking out of your ass. Please re-read my other post, all you did was repost some of what I said, and you still got it wrong.
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read this stupid [link to www.physorg.com]
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Afraid I can't read it stupid. Reading is an activity that is neither stupid or smart, it is merely how the brain perceives and processes information. You might look into how to write a grammatically correct sentence. BTW, my degree is in Human Biology. I'm done with you now. Lesson over. You're welcome.
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Many times people are fat because of high carb diets. Carbs are the cheapest form of food available and the poor are forced to subsist on that diet often times.

Eating vegan is one of the most expensive diets possible. Priced a box of blueberries lately? Imagine trying to buy for a whole family.

So until and unless there are fresh fruits and veggies readily available at affordable costs, I don't think this is much of a solution.

OTOH, most people do not make the most of what is available to them and this is also result of overpopulation and feeding the masses, etc.
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You are exactly right that eating vegan is expensive! With the economy the way it is...it's cheaper to eat processed foods. At the supermarket you can find "Buy one get one free" cookies, cake mix, chips, crackers, popcorn ect! Ever see "Buy one get one free" strawberries, blueberries, zuchinni, ect.

I have been a raw foodist since 2003 and it's really expensive!!! The rest of my family eats regular food- which is WAY more affordable. We are hoping our garden takes off shortly..(we have lots of greenbeans...lol!) It will be so AWESOME to go out and pick my own fruits and veggies!!!!
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What if, just for arguments sake, this saved those childrens lives?
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Oh sure, rip children away from their loving family because they don't fall into the "normal" government issued weight range. Throw them into foster homes where they are unloved, unwanted, probably abused, another number in the system.

Watch them turn into psychopaths as adults as a result of the trauma of being kidnapped by the state..

Sure thing........save their lives. Right!
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


OWNED!!!

clappa
 Quoting: No-world-order


"Normal government issued weight range???" Those kids don't fall into ANY normal weight range. The kids shouldn't be taken away, the parents should be forced to pay fines or go to jail for being stupid as fuck. These kids won't turn into psychopaths... they will be riding around a grocery store in a motorized cart filling the basket up with Twinkies and ho-hos being paid for by the tax payers because they have a "disability." Being a fat lazy piece of shit isn't a disability. If you're too fat to go grocery shopping then you don't need to eat!
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It's not classed as a disability here, well unless you really are to big to get out of the house. Which unfortunately does happen both here and USA.
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corn is used to fatten farm animals up



HFCS in everything


all the gum has HFCS and sometimes even sugar...and then aspartame-many are allergic to this-and it breaks down into formaldehyde





corn this and corn that


corn chips


corn and more corn


corn


MAIZE


400 varieties in mexico-all contaminated by GMO/GE/Frankenfoods


If you feed sugar gliders too much corn, they will get OBESE and be unable to glide...imagine that



Egregious actions will not fix the overweight children-if they had means to fight-they would not try and take the kids...

sexual abuse is rampant in foster homes and many adoptive ones as well


research Sen. Nancy Schaefer
she was about to cause attention to focus on CPS and similar agencies in her state...then... [link to www.ajc.com]


truth is ever present...
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[link to amiablyme.wordpress.com]

This happened in 2010 and in 2011 it unravels,

The year of the unravelling 2011, now tell us honestly about 2011, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, and Libya. Truth has a way of coming out especially if you learn to expect it. I do and it does, everyone learn to expect truths and life changes.


In lieu of the current deaths of Senator Nancy Schaefer and her husband Bruce on March 26, 2010, I am reposting this. Many across the world are in agreement that their timely deaths was not a “Murder-suicide,” to quote a friend ” Lots of politically connected people, cops, etc, die in “murder-suicides.” They not only kill themselves, but everyone else in the house and anyone who might witness their deaths.”

Below is a fragment of the work the great Senator Nancy Schaefer had been working; opposed of by several other Government officials who told Nancy they were not able to help her or “they would lose their jobs”

Did Sen. Schaefer lose her life because of this? Many people will, without hesitation say “Yes!”
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Opinion,
Sad.
I know a woman who ate mostly wheat products and fed the same to her family. They ate wheat rice, wheat flour, wheat bread, etc.

Her second daughter kept getting fat and the more she reduced her food intake the fatter the girl got.

The mom tells me, 'I feel like I"m starving her, but she keeps getting fat.'

I ask her to check her daughter for food allergies. She may be allergic to wheat and instead of processing it normally she may store it in fat cells.

She had her daughter tested for food allergies and now her daughter is normal weight.

It's not always about exercise, and all allergies don't reveal themselves as swollen glands or rashes.

Also,
The final part of taking over the kids would involve a contract of some sort...a signing over the 'loss' of the kids to another.

The parents need to be wary of any document they signed, and I don't care what a worker says, it's hearsay, until it's on the record in a court of record, and if the parents just 'sign' their documents without indicating it was under coercion or duress, well...their kids will be fostered and or adopted.

A contract by force is a void contract, but if you sign 'before' you indicate it was a contract by force, then anyone else looking at it will see it's a contract by 'agreement of the parties', and then they'd be spending money trying to 'break' a contract they entered into without indicating it was under duress or coercion before signing it.

Only an opinion, stuck out in the universe. I will not defend nor fight for an opinion; take it or leave it.

I wish everyone well.
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You don't get it. You come back from Asia where people have a very simple diet and probably a lifestyle not terribly different from what they've had for generations, to a country where all the food is adulterated and poisoned, and where corn syrup is literally in just about every food product, and where people have to drive miles to get ANYWHERE just so they can afford to live SOMEWHERE. I also just moved. I moved from the city, which I could no longer afford, but where people can at least get some exercise walking, to a one of these horrible damn suburbs where EVERYONE is fat, EVERYONE, because they drive everywhere. I don't think these people have terrible or massive diets. They eat some sweets, some fried foods, but probably not much more than they did a generation ago. OBESITY IS BUILT INTO THE CURRENT AMERICAN LIFESTYLE. If you took those thin Asians and moved them over here into an American suburb....they would get FAT in 2-3 years. And if the adults didn't, the kids would.

Instead of supporting a system that takes away people's children PERMANENTLY, which is inherently EVIL, you should ask what kinds of things have happened in 20-30 years that have made people so fat? It's NOT that the people have changed. The foods and medication and environment and way of life have changed. You have to be hyper-vigilant to avoid food additives, and GMO, and fluoride and all the other crap that mega corporations add to our food. They would feed us dog crap in tubes if they could fool us into buying it.

An entire people do not get fat because there's something wrong with them. It's what's wrong around them. Just wait till those Asians start feeling the effects of the Fukushima radiation in the next generation, whatever those effects will be (probably birth/genetic defects and massive cancer). Will you blame THEM too for what was created around them?


Yeah the food here sucks, totally unnatural I will be the first to say it. But who is forcing you to eat hydrogenated fats and oils, and processed food full of GMO corn?

And anyway that is not the major problem. The problem is just people eating too damn much just for the enjoyment of it. Americans feel like they need to eat 3 huge meals a day plus snacks in between. Go overseas you will see the difference, people in asia might eat one big meal a day, and 1 or 2 much smaller meals, and almost never eat snacks and drink soft drinks.

Stop making freaking excuses about the food being poisoned, or your genetics. Look in the mirrror, all fat people need to look in the mirror and face the fact that is your own choices that got you 50, or 100, or 200 pounds or more overweight.

Just another product the of liberal movement, 'its not my fault, its someone elses fault", BS! start acting responsible for yourself.

And to the fatso that said its their choice and it shouldnt matter to me if someone chooses to be fat. Well your wrong, because it affects me, you are a burden on our society, you are part the reason medical insurance is so high. Not to mention the cost of medicare and medicaid which is funded by my tax dollars! and with obama care it is going to get even worse. So start taking care of yourself because it really pisses me off having to pay for your unhealthy lifestyle!

YOU are a liar and YOU are wrong. I've never gotten a dime from the gov't. I don't have any health issues because of my weight. I HAVE however, had MY tax dollars go to thin/skinny girls popping out 4 kids by different fathers. Guess what, some of them are still skinny--meth, drinks at the club...I have paid for them to have a family, so again, please STFU!
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If it were that simple, no-one would be fat.
If one can diet and avoid bad foods 25 days of the month and have a desert or chips 5 days of the month (in a serving size) and still not lose weight, it's not that simple. If I'm eating less that 1200 cals a day and that's just to "maintain" my weight--then it's not that simple.

Get a grip. You haters are so black and white, and it's really not. Maybe in the 1960's it was, but we live in a different world where people need gym memberships and an extra $500 in groceries to eat perfect. Even if we eat perfect most of the time, it's not simple--so really, STFU!
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its even more simple.
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I work in an ophthamologist's office.

We are now required by a new law to get the height and weight of each patient. We have a grid and if the patient is over or under what is considered to be a healthy weight we must give them a pamphlet about the dangers of obesity or being too thin.

This is akin to having to scorn a person over their tattoos, cleanliness, smoking habits, or sleep patterns.

A person's height or weight is none of my business unless they want it to be and I'm embarassed that we are required to do this.

That said, children are a different matter. This couple is apparantly quite lazy and it's having a health impact on their children. I say this because the baby was allowed to crawl through a spilled ashtray and the mother's 'healthy' meals are meat and potatoes or spaghetti smothered in cheese and butter. Cutting and preparing vegetables takes effort but are necessary to healthy developement.

The parents missed appointments with dieticians whose job it is to educate on eating for health and life.

They had three years and chose not to embrace an opportunity to raise healthy children who will then carry the knowledge forth in their own lives.

Are fat kids abused kids? Are FIVE fat kids indicative of a pattern of abuse? Is being lazy a sin worthy of having children removed from the home?
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'scuse me for playing devils advocate. It was a question not a statement. The question remains unanswered.

I'll rephrase. If staying with the parents equates to dying of heart disease or some other obecity related death at an early age and living elsewhere adds 20-30 years to their lifespan, is that a negative?

Not asking about 'quality of life' simply 'life span'.
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In the article it says, they only put on weight when they were with the parents, I see that as that's the only time they were happy. I didn't see anywhere in the article that they lost weight when they were in care or fostered. If thae had happened it would have been mentioned to make the parents look worse. I don't think it will make any difference, but I guess only time will tell on that.
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Comfort eating? Perhaps, as I've often heard, they are over eating due to feeling unhappy. If that only occurs when they are with the parents... just a thought.
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Wouldn't have been able to, the social workers were monitoring what the kids were eating, so they were probably getting only breakfast lunch and dinner. Anything else the parents would have known would have gone down in the kids are eating to much book. Except fruit snacks. It was because the dad move out because he got claustrophobic and the mum took the kids to were he was living sometimes. The rules were not 100% followed. This is wrong.
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'Happiness' does not make you gain weight. Are we sure that social workers were monitoring everything 24/7? I would find that difficult to believe.

However, the question remains, if someone else raising those kids saved their lives, is that wrong?
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I'm torn on this issue.

On the one hand you want the kids to have an opportunity for a better life.

On the other maybe it's better just to let evolution take it's course and get rid of these people.





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