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Rick Perry is WRONG! Social Security is NOT a Ponzi Scheme! | |
| J.H.F.C. Offer Upgrade  User ID: 1437442  United States09/08/2011 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
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| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 People like myself and my wife (and millions more like us) were FORCED to pay into Social Security OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR so that we would receive our SS benefits in retiremets. FAR WORSE!!! Our employers had to MATCH our contributions out of their own pockets WHICH COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PAID TO US TO INVEST AS WE WOULD HAVE DECIDED! In short... The GOVERNMENT put a gun, not only to OUR HEADS, but to the heads of our employers. And you contend that this is free money... I'll cut to the chase... YOU ARE A FUCKING JACKASS! GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU BELONG! If you want to be an idiot, then be an idiot... BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME, ASSHOLE! Last Edited by J.H.F.C. on 09/08/2011 01:26 AM I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 moran, people pay for social security moran moran moran Not as much as they take moran there are more at the top taking than their is at the bottom feeding it. Stop taking it and let people invest their own cash. My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
| The Monk User ID: 1388350 United States09/08/2011 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 It's not free money, people pay well over a hundred thousand dollars into it during their lifetime before they start getting their checks. And yes it IS a PONZI scheme by definition. |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 01:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 People like myself and my wife (and millions more like us) were FORCED to pay into Social Security OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR so that we would receive our SS benefits in retiremets. FAR WORSE!!! Our employers had to MATCH our contributions out of their own pockets WHICH COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PAID TO US TO INVEST AS WE WOULD HAVE DECIDED! In short... The GOVERNMENT put a gun, not only to OUR HEADS, but to the heads of our employers. And you contend that this is free money... I'll cut to the chase... YOU ARE A FUCKING JACKASS! GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU BELONG! If you want to be an idiot, then be an idiot... BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME, ASSHOLE! The few dollars you pay in per paycheck does not save up enough for your monthly checks for years to come sorry. My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811  if I ever saw one! I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 01:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 if I ever saw one! If you think SS is great for all then you are the shill. My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 People like myself and my wife (and millions more like us) were FORCED to pay into Social Security OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR so that we would receive our SS benefits in retiremets. FAR WORSE!!! Our employers had to MATCH our contributions out of their own pockets WHICH COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PAID TO US TO INVEST AS WE WOULD HAVE DECIDED! In short... The GOVERNMENT put a gun, not only to OUR HEADS, but to the heads of our employers. And you contend that this is free money... I'll cut to the chase... YOU ARE A FUCKING JACKASS! GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU BELONG! If you want to be an idiot, then be an idiot... BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME, ASSHOLE! The few dollars you pay in per paycheck does not save up enough for your monthly checks for years to come sorry. First, show me your degree, moron. Second, show me how you derived how much my wife, I and others paid into Social Security and FOR HOW LONG! Here's the deal, asshole... You don't show me your degree and you don't show me how you derived how much I and all of my family have paid into Social Security, then... YOU ARE A GODDAMMED PIECE OF SHIT! And I would be as proud as I could possibly be to be BANNED from GLP FOREVER for writing what I did in this post! GODDAMMED LYING FILTHY PIECES OF SHIT LIKE YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE THEIR LIES WIN ARGUMENTS ON ANY PUBLIC FORUM SUCH AS THIS! YOU HAVE NO TRUE INFORMATION! YOU HAVE DONE NO RESEARCH! YOU HAVE MADE UP ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE SAID! AND YOU CLAIM THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH! AND WITH ALL THAT BULLSHIT, YOU CLAIM THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE NOT LAWFULLY ENTITLED TO THE BENEFITS OF A SYSTEM THAT THEY WERE FORCED INTO BY LAW, UNDER PENALTY OF IMPRISONMENT, TO BE PART OF. And if you can't back off from your lies in this "debate." then you should think of yourself throughout your life as nothing but pure shit! Last Edited by J.H.F.C. on 09/08/2011 01:49 AM I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
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| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 01:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 People like myself and my wife (and millions more like us) were FORCED to pay into Social Security OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR so that we would receive our SS benefits in retiremets. FAR WORSE!!! Our employers had to MATCH our contributions out of their own pockets WHICH COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PAID TO US TO INVEST AS WE WOULD HAVE DECIDED! In short... The GOVERNMENT put a gun, not only to OUR HEADS, but to the heads of our employers. And you contend that this is free money... I'll cut to the chase... YOU ARE A FUCKING JACKASS! GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU BELONG! If you want to be an idiot, then be an idiot... BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME, ASSHOLE! The few dollars you pay in per paycheck does not save up enough for your monthly checks for years to come sorry. First, show me your degree, moron. Second, show me how you derived how much my wife, I and others paid into Social Security and FOR HOW LONG! Here's the deal, asshole... You don't show me your degree and you don't show me how you derived how much I and all of my family have paid into Social Security, then... YOU ARE A GODDAMMED PIECE OF SHIT! And I would be as proud as I could possibly be to be BANNED from GLP FOREVER for writing what I did in this post! GODDAMMED LYING FILTHY PIECES OF SHIT LIKE YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE THEIR LIES WIN ARGUMENTS ON ANY PUBLIC FORUM SUCH AS THIS! YOU HAVE NO TRUE INFORMATION! YOU HAVE DONE NO RESEARCH! YOU HAVE MADE UP ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE SAID! AND YOU CLAIM THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH! AND WITH ALL THAT BULSHIT, YOU CLAIM THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOIRCED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE NOT ENTITLED TO THE BENEFITS OF A SYSTEM THAT THEY WERE FORCED INTO BY LAW, UNDER PENALTY OF IMPRISONMENT, TO BE PART OF. And if you can't back off from your lies in this "debate." then you should think of yourself throughout your life as nothing but pure shit! This could very well be 'goodbye forever' from GLP. If I should be banned for writing what I have written, then so be it. And may it be forever. I cannot, under any circumstances, allow the filth that I have met on this thread to live on without great objection. No facts, no, truth, no evidence, no compassion and no desire to face reality. If that is what will win on GLP, then so be it. Let it win. The good and the truth will ultimately prevail. And this man's insulting bullshit will not. J.H.F.C. I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: J.H.F.C. People like myself and my wife (and millions more like us) were FORCED to pay into Social Security OUR ENTIRE WORKING LIVES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR so that we would receive our SS benefits in retiremets. FAR WORSE!!! Our employers had to MATCH our contributions out of their own pockets WHICH COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN PAID TO US TO INVEST AS WE WOULD HAVE DECIDED! In short... The GOVERNMENT put a gun, not only to OUR HEADS, but to the heads of our employers. And you contend that this is free money... I'll cut to the chase... YOU ARE A FUCKING JACKASS! GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU BELONG! If you want to be an idiot, then be an idiot... BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME, ASSHOLE! The few dollars you pay in per paycheck does not save up enough for your monthly checks for years to come sorry. First, show me your degree, moron. Second, show me how you derived how much my wife, I and others paid into Social Security and FOR HOW LONG! Here's the deal, asshole... You don't show me your degree and you don't show me how you derived how much I and all of my family have paid into Social Security, then... YOU ARE A GODDAMMED PIECE OF SHIT! And I would be as proud as I could possibly be to be BANNED from GLP FOREVER for writing what I did in this post! GODDAMMED LYING FILTHY PIECES OF SHIT LIKE YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE THEIR LIES WIN ARGUMENTS ON ANY PUBLIC FORUM SUCH AS THIS! YOU HAVE NO TRUE INFORMATION! YOU HAVE DONE NO RESEARCH! YOU HAVE MADE UP ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE SAID! AND YOU CLAIM THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH! AND WITH ALL THAT BULSHIT, YOU CLAIM THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOIRCED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE NOT ENTITLED TO THE BENEFITS OF A SYSTEM THAT THEY WERE FORCED INTO BY LAW, UNDER PENALTY OF IMPRISONMENT, TO BE PART OF. And if you can't back off from your lies in this "debate." then you should think of yourself throughout your life as nothing but pure shit! This could very well be 'goodbye forever' from GLP. If I should be banned for writing what I have written, then so be it. And may it be forever. I cannot, under any circumstances, allow the filth that I have met on this thread to live on without great objection. No facts, no, truth, no evidence, no compassion and no desire to face reality. If that is what will win on GLP, then so be it. Let it win. The good and the truth will ultimately prevail. And this man's insulting bullshit will not. J.H.F.C. It is called reading books on the subject. You seem very unbalanced and rude. Last Edited by atomic811 on 09/08/2011 01:50 AM My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
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| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should people get free money just because they are old. They should work, unless ill or have family care for them. No one is owed anything. Quoting: atomic811 if I ever saw one! If you think SS is great for all then you are the shill. It seems we have a clear deliniation here... The asshole wrote: If you think SS is great for all then you are the shill. Apparently, you are a product of the American educational system which turns out hundreds of thousands of very confused teenagers ever summer... I never, NEVER made any statement whatsoever that "...SS is great for all..." !!! I did say that I, my family and everyone I know WERE FORCED INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO BE PART OF A RETIREMENT SYSTEM AGAINST OUR WILL AND OUR COMMON SENSE! And you, having already proven yourself as a total pea brain, managed to change my words around and make the claim that I wrote... "(I) think SS is great for all ..." And from this, I urge you to try to understand that you went through 13 years of mandatory schooling just as I and my family were forced to be part of a 40 year mandatory insurance scheme that was designed to rob everything from everybody! And in your case, you were robbed of any and all common sense that you may have had as a 4 year old. And now, you have become a bulldog for the same scam that scammed you out of your own mind! Congratulations! You've reached the top of your game. Last Edited by J.H.F.C. on 09/08/2011 02:04 AM I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you having a bad day? You are way over the top. Back to your cage. My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1533871 United States09/08/2011 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SS vs Ponzi [link to www.ssa.gov] |
| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are my bad day, scumbag. And I am already in my cage which happens to be the planet earth. I have been on GLP for over 12 years now, and I have NEVER met a more ignorant beligerent in all my years on GLP and in all of my life. Never once did you offer any factual evidence for your contentions that would make any Nazi proud. And for your information, no Nazi ever submitted ANY clear evidence justifying the actions of the Third Reich. The system always worked the same... 1.) State an argument that deprives someone of rightful ownership and/or entitlement. 2.) Condemn that person for wrongful benefit of the contested ownership or entitlement. 3.) Claim that, because of anything that could be thought of at the moment that would seem reasonable to the uninformed, that rightful entitlements and benefits were wrongful. 4.) Claim that bonafide arguments in the defense of the accusation are the result of "a bad day" or some kind of mental disorder. 5.) The finally, justify the false accusations with the alleged "bad day" or mental illness or instability. The bottom line is this... This was the justice system of The Third Reich and you somehow managed to play it out in full without a glitch. The only thing that I can advise you with is that THE NAZIS LOST THE FUCKEN WAR ASSHOLE! And if you somehow think that you're going to win this war the next time around, all I can say is that YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND! And I CAN provide full documentation of my position in this area. Last Edited by J.H.F.C. on 09/08/2011 02:28 AM I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
| atomic811 User ID: 1539404 United States09/08/2011 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are my bad day, scumbag. And I am already in my cage which happens to be the planet earth. I have been on GLP for over 12 years now, and I have NEVER met a more ignorant beligerent in all my years on GLP and in all of my life. Never once did you offer any factual evidence for your contentions that would make any Nazi proud. And for your information, no Nazi ever submitted ANY clear evidence justifying the actions of the Third Reich. The system always worked the same... 1.) State an argument that deprives someone of rightful ownership and/or entitlement. 2.) Condemn that person for wrongful benefit of the contested ownership or entitlement. 3.) Claim that, because of anything that could be thought of at the moment that would seem reasonable to the uninformed, that rightful entitlements and benefits were wrongful. 4.) Claim that bonafide arguments in the defense of the accusation are the result of "a bad day" or some kind of mental disorder. 5.) The finally, justify the false accusations with the alleged "bad day" or mental illness or instability. The bottom line is this... This was the justice system of The Third Reich and you somehow managed to play it out in full without a glitch. The only thing that I can advise you with is that THE NAZIS LOST THE FUCK WAR ASSHOLE! And if you somehow think that you're going to win this war the next time around, all I can say is that YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND! And I CAN provide full documentation of my position in this area.  My Blog [link to brianunderwood.blogspot.com] My video [link to blip.tv] |
| J.H.F.C. (OP) User ID: 1437442 United States09/08/2011 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the reply. But the basic argument here is the ABSOLUTE DEFINITION of what a Ponzi Scheme is... It's simple... Mr. Ponzi (like Bernie Madoff) accepted investments IN BUSINESSES THAT DID NOT EXIST! Ergo (Latin for therefore), THERE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE ANY RETURN ON INVESTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, now if you can handle that, we can go on... Social Security WAS NOT A FUCKING INVESTMENT!!!!!!!!!!! Social Security is/was/and will be until its terminated, A FEDERAL LAW THAT MANDATED WORKERS AND EMPLOYERS TO PAY INTO A FUND THAT PROMISED A RETURN UPON RETIREMENT OR DISABILITY! Now, for all you junior high school kids out there, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT FORCED THE COLLECTION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY DEPOSITS FROM THE WORKERS AND THEIR EMPLOYERS! And although I know it's confusing to all you people out there (having gone to forced public school and all that), but the key words in the sentence above are... THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT FORCED THE COLLECTION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY DEPOSITS FROM THE WORKERS AND THEIR EMPLOYERS! Now here is the deal... Whether "Social Security" is or isn't insolvent doesn't mean a hill of beans! (Translated into the vernacular "It don't mean shit!") It IS NOT the responsibility of Social Security to pay entitlements, IT IS THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA YOU IDIOT! So, all these years you have heard that Social Security is going broke (especially after the funds were pillaged by THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!) Therefore YOU WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT DID NOT HAVE TO MEET ITS FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS TO SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFICIARIES BECAUSE SOCIAL SECURITY WAS BROKE! And you believed that. And why did you believe that? Well. other than the MSM selling this bullshit by the ton, you went to 13 years of "free public education" which pumped this bullshit into your brains at the highest possible pressure input! The bottom line is that, YOU (OR YOUR PARENTS, ETC) WERE FORCED INTO THIS SYSTEM BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOT THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION! AND AFTER THIS VERY FAR GONE COUNTRY ADMITS ITS BROKE, YOU (AS WELL AS MANY CREDITORS) ARE GOING TO GO TO COURT TO BE RE-EMBURSED FOR THEIR LOSES. HERE'S THE DEAL! DON'T EVER THINK THAT SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS ARE NOT ONE OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT'S OBLIGATIONS. THESE BENEFITS ARE AN OBLIGATION WHICH SHOULD BE PAID LONG BEFORE MANY, MANY OTHER GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES SHOULD BE PAID! It's late. Time for me to go. I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson |
