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Why Not Redistribute Wealth?

 
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Then why are they the very and only basis of your suggestion?
Nobody works for free, not even you. There is nuthin left to discuss.
I feel sorry for you , you have no apparent insight into things, you assume others should toil for your needs, and that is the very essence of slavery. You dont like the realities of life, and you want the world to bend over for you.
Heaven only knows what moral cancers you've taught your children
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Man, you are lost in your presumptuousness and completely missing the point of this thread. According to your thinking, this economic system is the pinnacle of human achievement and can never be improved upon. Everything in the world is just fine, right?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Morally environmentally, evolutionarily etc SELF SUFFICIENCY is the standard of a stable and equitable social paradigm, all other pursuits of how to steal from others allow for covetous idjits some rational for assuming that others more capable of success should be stripped of their labours.
I pity the spouses and offspring of your spawn, whos sense of entitlement will destroy anything and anyone they touch.
Here's a clue:
You made your bed, now lay in it and stfu about you you you you you you you, you have no more right to judge my or anyone elses life than I or anyone else, yours, yet I dont demand your forced donation of time of property while you by creation of a universal charity apparatus want a piece of everyone and whine like a bitch you dont have enough. There is MUCH much more to equality than distrigution of mere money, I'd like your health and your youth and likely your old lady, but you wouldnt or couldnt give that up, so we'd remain unequal, but you'd still want the money and leave self satisfied. Even on the internet, where lies and exaggeration are the standard, you dont offer a single solitary or believable charitable act of your own,(because you dont have the guts to even lie about it to save face) yet accuse others of not doing enough to help you by extention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


LOL, I can see the intent of this discussion must be waaay over your head, so you revert to ad hominem. And that must you believe the world and economy is just fine the way it is, can never be improved upon, and you don't mind having financial elite overlords controlling your economic life.

But I DO completely agree about your self-sufficiency paradigm, and that is exactly what I am advocating. The problem is not in being jealous or envious of the uber-rich, or in being lazy. The problem is a matter of barriers to entry, and the lack of equal opportunity in this present economy.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


YOU are a self riggteous fraud, YOU are uber rich compared to most of the worlds denizens yet you voluntarily, quietly donate nothing from your heart.
I'M NOT RESORTING TO AD HOMINEM ATTACK, DESCRIBE YOU
EXACTLY AND OBJECTIVELY AS YOU ARE.
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YOU are a self riggteous fraud, YOU are uber rich compared to most of the worlds denizens yet you voluntarily, quietly donate nothing from your heart.
I'M NOT RESORTING TO AD HOMINEM ATTACK, DESCRIBE YOU
EXACTLY AND OBJECTIVELY AS YOU ARE.
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Proved my point LOL
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MONEY = I don't trust you to be fair with me

We need to share and ditch the money concept !!!
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I agree in concept of what you are getting at but here is the problem:

Yes it would be good to make sure everyone was taken care of, but the problem is the leaches and those who wouldn't pull their own weight. For those that work hard and do their best but just keep getting a raw deal this would be great and well earned, but then there are those people who would take that "shared" wealth and sit on their ass at home watching Oprah, getting drunk and doing drugs on the sweat and hard work of others.

Example: the other day I offered a homeless panhandler a job to work in our warehouse... His response, why would I work when I can stand out here and get free money.

I decided to hang around the intersection and see what this guy would do after and low and behold he walks across the street goes into a gas station and buys a six pack and then proceeds to get in a truck and drive away.

So you see, it is the freeloaders and leaches that ruin this approach for the greater good, if everyone was willing to do their part and earn what is "shared" then it would work but until then it will only piss off those that are willing to earn their share.

Should the billionaires share their wealth? Probably, but if they truly earned it (yes I know many scammed their way into the money but that is another issue) why should they share it with those that have not or are not willing to earn it???
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YOU are a self riggteous fraud, YOU are uber rich compared to most of the worlds denizens yet you voluntarily, quietly donate nothing from your heart.
I'M NOT RESORTING TO AD HOMINEM ATTACK, DESCRIBE YOU
EXACTLY AND OBJECTIVELY AS YOU ARE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Proved my point LOL
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing



We'll leave that one up to the audience.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO 'REMEMBER' YOUR LIST OF UNCOMPENSATED CHARITABLE DONATIONS, so we know youre not a fraud.
You seem so concerned about the welfare of others exactly LIKE YOURSELF, how speshul
I suspect I'll have to wait for a rather long, long while.
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


How would you even begin to implement something like that? Who would be in charge of the redistribution? It's a total fairy tale.
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This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.

For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves.
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I bet if you redistributed wealth many people receiving the money would end up wanting more given to them in the future and wouldn't at all be grateful.
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The above crew is better at stealing and redistribution of other peoples money while enriching themselves in the process than OP would ever imagine
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YOU are a self riggteous fraud, YOU are uber rich compared to most of the worlds denizens yet you voluntarily, quietly donate nothing from your heart.
I'M NOT RESORTING TO AD HOMINEM ATTACK, DESCRIBE YOU
EXACTLY AND OBJECTIVELY AS YOU ARE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Proved my point LOL
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing



We'll leave that one up to the audience.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO 'REMEMBER' YOUR LIST OF UNCOMPENSATED CHARITABLE DONATIONS, so we know youre not a fraud.
You seem so concerned about the welfare of others exactly LIKE YOURSELF, how speshul
I suspect I'll have to wait for a rather long, long while.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


I do what I can when I can. Not on the dole in any way, pay my own way, and like a 100 million others these days, there's not much left at the end of the month.

But again, you miss the point of this discussion. This isn't about me, this about the big macro picture and the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong with things as they are. There is little equality of opportunity, and little freedom for a large portion of the population. It's a treadmill for most people these days, essentially wage-slavery with the banks their minions in government as the masters.

I'm simply saying there must be a better way, and looking for ideas about what that better way might entail.

You seem to think everything is fine the way it is. Fine. I disagree.
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Not Jesus, no. But Christian charity is not a bad thing.
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NO no no, seperation of church and state, CHristian charity was never delegated to the state for manditory collection.
How many poor did you voluntarily support when you were flush, hmmm?
I bet not enough to keep even one stupid white girl in crack for a week.
Yo9u want cash because youre a loser now?
Take it like a man, youre to blame, not some stranger whose success you covet
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


I'm looking at the big picture, trying to provoke discussion. Fact is, the world is a mess because of a century of greed-driven capitalism out-of-control. It's a foregone conclusion that the current system is in the process of imploding in collapse. We will pass through a period of economic depression through which many will not survive. I'm trying to figure out what the next economy might look like when it's rebuilt using this present economy as an example of what NOT to do.

I'm not a loser. I work as hard as I always did. It's just that I'm stuck in a system that isn't working for 98% of us.

Any positive, creative, out-of-the-box ideas to contribute?
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The world is not a mess because of lack of generosity, the world is a mess because at one point European peoples left their continent and thought they could disrupt everyone else's lifestyles (which they deemed inferior) and teach them to live "civilizedly". Now all these people from all over the world have been left in a middle place where they can't quite adapt to European civilization but neither can they go back to the lifestyles they had before in which they lacked nothing because they got it from the earth.

It's these races of people who are living in a twilight zone which don't allow these utopia you mention to be fulfilled because they can't keep up with the European system. The socialist utopia worked very well in an all white scandinavia, but as soon as you get foreigners from the thirld world in there it fails.

It all boils down to genetics, race and the reality that humans developed for hundreths of thousands of year in separate environments developing entirely different ways of dealing with life. Refusing to see this reality will always lead us to error.
This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.

For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves.
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The above crew is better at stealing and redistribution of other peoples money while enriching themselves in the process than OP would ever imagine
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Oh, I imagine just fine. They ARE the problem, and the only reason they have the opportunity to be the problem is because the "haves" at the top have arranged the system to their benefit and everyone else's detriment.

Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


There is nothing that says you can't start sharing yours right now. Lots of people do, it's called charity. But to take from people that work for it, and give to those that don't is criminal. It fosters a delusional attitude in the receivers that they are owed that free money, and they are never happy with what they get, and demand more.

The more money you take from the rich, the less hard they work, and the less they make. Which means they hire less people, and less money flows, which in turn means there is less for the government to steal and give away.

Please remove your head from the clouds.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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You either have a socialist utopia the European way or you do it the aboriginal way, but mixing it up doesn't work because introducing an alien element into the social organism always creates an unbalance and ends up destroying it. The idiosyncracies are just way too different.
This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.

For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves.
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The above crew is better at stealing and redistribution of other peoples money while enriching themselves in the process than OP would ever imagine
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Oh, I imagine just fine. They ARE the problem, and the only reason they have the opportunity to be the problem is because the "haves" at the top have arranged the system to their benefit and everyone else's detriment.

Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Which people? the leeches? the workers? the cheaters?

All your misunderstanding stems from the mistaken belief that everyone is the same. People are not equal, they are all human beings and should have a right to not be harmed or oppressed, but we are not equal in capacity nor responsibility.

Most people seem to have some problem to admit this, I don't see why. It would be as if I were to say I am the same as someone who holds a much higher responsibility than me or that outputs much more to the community or the world than me. I am not the same as that person, that person works harder and gives out more than me, so that person is more valuable. That concept seems to have vanished from reason in our societies due to egalitarian ideologies introduced by conspirators.
This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.

For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves.
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MONEY = I don't trust you to be fair with me

We need to share and ditch the money concept !!!
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


There is nothing that says you can't start sharing yours right now. Lots of people do, it's called charity. But to take from people that work for it, and give to those that don't is criminal. It fosters a delusional attitude in the receivers that they are owed that free money, and they are never happy with what they get, and demand more.

The more money you take from the rich, the less hard they work, and the less they make. Which means they hire less people, and less money flows, which in turn means there is less for the government to steal and give away.

Please remove your head from the clouds.
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What's your definition of "work"? Tell me what "work" someone who has multi-billions actually does? Sit around in a boardroom and decide how to maximize profits with other rich people, regardless of the ecological or moral consequences to the rest of us? Or pick up the phone to consult with their broker? Yeah, that's real hard work. What about all those descendants of the robber barons who never had to work a day in their life? Yeah, they work real hard, too.

I'm not talking about legitimate entrepreneurs to who actually put in the long hours every day adding something of value to society. I'm talking about those who spend their daily lives plotting and conspiring to enrich themselves at others' expense as a means of control over others.
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The above crew is better at stealing and redistribution of other peoples money while enriching themselves in the process than OP would ever imagine
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Oh, I imagine just fine. They ARE the problem, and the only reason they have the opportunity to be the problem is because the "haves" at the top have arranged the system to their benefit and everyone else's detriment.

Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Which people? the leeches? the workers? the cheaters?

All your misunderstanding stems from the mistaken belief that everyone is the same. People are not equal, they are all human beings and should have a right to not be harmed or oppressed, but we are not equal in capacity nor responsibility.

Most people seem to have some problem to admit this, I don't see why. It would be as if I were to say I am the same as someone who holds a much higher responsibility than me or that outputs much more to the community or the world than me. I am not the same as that person, that person works harder and gives out more than me, so that person is more valuable. That concept seems to have vanished from reason in our societies due to egalitarian ideologies introduced by conspirators.
 Quoting: Koelbren


The people who are running things, the Powers That Be, the ones who have mutated the system, the one who have stacked the deck in their favor against the better interests of society at large.

No, everyone is not equal or the same, or have the same abilities. But tell me there is not a huge segment of the population who are financially and economically-oppressed these days.

And tell me with a straight face, that everything is fine, that the current system is working for the benefit of all, or even most of us. It's working to the benefit of the very few at the top, and THAT will be its downfall.

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The above crew is better at stealing and redistribution of other peoples money while enriching themselves in the process than OP would ever imagine
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Oh, I imagine just fine. They ARE the problem, and the only reason they have the opportunity to be the problem is because the "haves" at the top have arranged the system to their benefit and everyone else's detriment.

Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Which people? the leeches? the workers? the cheaters?

All your misunderstanding stems from the mistaken belief that everyone is the same. People are not equal, they are all human beings and should have a right to not be harmed or oppressed, but we are not equal in capacity nor responsibility.

Most people seem to have some problem to admit this, I don't see why. It would be as if I were to say I am the same as someone who holds a much higher responsibility than me or that outputs much more to the community or the world than me. I am not the same as that person, that person works harder and gives out more than me, so that person is more valuable. That concept seems to have vanished from reason in our societies due to egalitarian ideologies introduced by conspirators.
 Quoting: Koelbren


The people who are running things, the Powers That Be, the ones who have mutated the system, the one who have stacked the deck in their favor against the better interests of society at large.

No, everyone is not equal or the same, or have the same abilities. But tell me there is not a huge segment of the population who are financially and economically-oppressed these days.

And tell me with a straight face, that everything is fine, that the current system is working for the benefit of all.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


If you are speaking about the big banks and corporations and their politician lackeys then I think everyone here would agree, if you mean that working middle classes have to sustain the welfare state to support parasites (rich and poor alike)as it's happening nowadays, most wont.
This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled.

For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves.
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YOU are a self riggteous fraud, YOU are uber rich compared to most of the worlds denizens yet you voluntarily, quietly donate nothing from your heart.
I'M NOT RESORTING TO AD HOMINEM ATTACK, DESCRIBE YOU
EXACTLY AND OBJECTIVELY AS YOU ARE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Proved my point LOL
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing



We'll leave that one up to the audience.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO 'REMEMBER' YOUR LIST OF UNCOMPENSATED CHARITABLE DONATIONS, so we know youre not a fraud.
You seem so concerned about the welfare of others exactly LIKE YOURSELF, how speshul
I suspect I'll have to wait for a rather long, long while.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


I do what I can when I can. Not on the dole in any way, pay my own way, and like a 100 million others these days, there's not much left at the end of the month.

But again, you miss the point of this discussion. This isn't about me, this about the big macro picture and the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong with things as they are. There is little equality of opportunity, and little freedom for a large portion of the population. It's a treadmill for most people these days, essentially wage-slavery with the banks their minions in government as the masters.

I'm simply saying there must be a better way, and looking for ideas about what that better way might entail.

You seem to think everything is fine the way it is. Fine. I disagree.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing

I'll agree with the fact that there is something wrong... and it's money. No money, no power, no problem.
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Oh, I imagine just fine. They ARE the problem, and the only reason they have the opportunity to be the problem is because the "haves" at the top have arranged the system to their benefit and everyone else's detriment.

Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Which people? the leeches? the workers? the cheaters?

All your misunderstanding stems from the mistaken belief that everyone is the same. People are not equal, they are all human beings and should have a right to not be harmed or oppressed, but we are not equal in capacity nor responsibility.

Most people seem to have some problem to admit this, I don't see why. It would be as if I were to say I am the same as someone who holds a much higher responsibility than me or that outputs much more to the community or the world than me. I am not the same as that person, that person works harder and gives out more than me, so that person is more valuable. That concept seems to have vanished from reason in our societies due to egalitarian ideologies introduced by conspirators.
 Quoting: Koelbren


The people who are running things, the Powers That Be, the ones who have mutated the system, the one who have stacked the deck in their favor against the better interests of society at large.

No, everyone is not equal or the same, or have the same abilities. But tell me there is not a huge segment of the population who are financially and economically-oppressed these days.

And tell me with a straight face, that everything is fine, that the current system is working for the benefit of all.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


If you are speaking about the big banks and corporations and their politician lackeys then I think everyone here would agree, if you mean that working middle classes have to sustain the welfare state to support parasites (rich and poor alike)as it's happening nowadays, most wont.
 Quoting: Koelbren


OK, we agree on the problem. What's the solution?
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Which people? the leeches? the workers? the cheaters?

All your misunderstanding stems from the mistaken belief that everyone is the same. People are not equal, they are all human beings and should have a right to not be harmed or oppressed, but we are not equal in capacity nor responsibility.

Most people seem to have some problem to admit this, I don't see why. It would be as if I were to say I am the same as someone who holds a much higher responsibility than me or that outputs much more to the community or the world than me. I am not the same as that person, that person works harder and gives out more than me, so that person is more valuable. That concept seems to have vanished from reason in our societies due to egalitarian ideologies introduced by conspirators.
 Quoting: Koelbren


The people who are running things, the Powers That Be, the ones who have mutated the system, the one who have stacked the deck in their favor against the better interests of society at large.

No, everyone is not equal or the same, or have the same abilities. But tell me there is not a huge segment of the population who are financially and economically-oppressed these days.

And tell me with a straight face, that everything is fine, that the current system is working for the benefit of all.
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If you are speaking about the big banks and corporations and their politician lackeys then I think everyone here would agree, if you mean that working middle classes have to sustain the welfare state to support parasites (rich and poor alike)as it's happening nowadays, most wont.
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OK, we agree on the problem. What's the solution?
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The solution in my opinion is hanging all the conspirators(bankers, politicians etc), then giving a piece of land to African americans, other to Native Americans and Latinos and let everyone do their thing.
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
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There is nothing that says you can't start sharing yours right now. Lots of people do, it's called charity. But to take from people that work for it, and give to those that don't is criminal. It fosters a delusional attitude in the receivers that they are owed that free money, and they are never happy with what they get, and demand more.

The more money you take from the rich, the less hard they work, and the less they make. Which means they hire less people, and less money flows, which in turn means there is less for the government to steal and give away.

Please remove your head from the clouds.
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What's your definition of "work"? Tell me what "work" someone who has multi-billions actually does? Sit around in a boardroom and decide how to maximize profits with other rich people, regardless of the ecological or moral consequences to the rest of us? Or pick up the phone to consult with their broker? Yeah, that's real hard work. What about all those descendants of the robber barons who never had to work a day in their life? Yeah, they work real hard, too.

I'm not talking about legitimate entrepreneurs to who actually put in the long hours every day adding something of value to society. I'm talking about those who spend their daily lives plotting and conspiring to enrich themselves at others' expense as a means of control over others.
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There are many definitions of work I'm sure. Yes, I do consider sitting around making decisions work. If anyone could do it there wouldn't be stinky guys begging for change on the corners, they'd be in the boardroom.

Don't missunderstand me though, I do agree there is TPTB, and they are evil. There are people that for either evil, or selfish reasons harm others. I don't like them either, but frankly they are above the law; not technically, but practically. If they weren't, the world wouldn't be like it is right now.

If you ask me nothing will stop this unless the military (leadership) pulls its collective head out of its ass and says fuck the government, I'm for the Constitution, and the People.

The only other hope would be that God would decide enough is enough.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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The people who are running things, the Powers That Be, the ones who have mutated the system, the one who have stacked the deck in their favor against the better interests of society at large.

No, everyone is not equal or the same, or have the same abilities. But tell me there is not a huge segment of the population who are financially and economically-oppressed these days.

And tell me with a straight face, that everything is fine, that the current system is working for the benefit of all.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


If you are speaking about the big banks and corporations and their politician lackeys then I think everyone here would agree, if you mean that working middle classes have to sustain the welfare state to support parasites (rich and poor alike)as it's happening nowadays, most wont.
 Quoting: Koelbren


OK, we agree on the problem. What's the solution?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


The solution in my opinion is hanging all the conspirators(bankers, politicians etc), then giving a piece of land to African americans, other to Native Americans and Latinos and let everyone do their thing.
 Quoting: Koelbren


That's nice, but people being people, one group would eventually invade another. And so it begins... as we say.
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Hey OP,

Greed works on both sides of the spectrum and stealing from one side that has created most of the jobs to give to those who feel entitled to the money of others is ludicrous. Just how long to you believe that this could continue and then where would society be and do you believe many would continue to create jobs for others if the proceeds from their efforts were constantly stolen from them.

Explain to me why you could possibly believe the economy would suddenly become smooth running please we would only increase the welfare mentality with more people feeling entitled with open mouths waiting to be fed.
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the issue with redistributing wealth, is that the 'royalty' and corrupt politicians do not intend on redistributing their wealth they stole from the public coffers, but intend for those who make a 'decent' living to live on less and the poor to live on even less. therein lies the problem with the redistribution of wealth
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If you are speaking about the big banks and corporations and their politician lackeys then I think everyone here would agree, if you mean that working middle classes have to sustain the welfare state to support parasites (rich and poor alike)as it's happening nowadays, most wont.
 Quoting: Koelbren


OK, we agree on the problem. What's the solution?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


The solution in my opinion is hanging all the conspirators(bankers, politicians etc), then giving a piece of land to African americans, other to Native Americans and Latinos and let everyone do their thing.
 Quoting: Koelbren


That's nice, but people being people, one group would eventually invade another. And so it begins... as we say.
 Quoting: tin foil hat off


Well that's part of life, what can you do? Unless you know how to magically turn everybody into an enlightened being resembling Jesus, I guess it's a factor we will have to live with.
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


yes.

the situation is of this moment is SO bad that you wouldnt believe. currently wealth distribution is WORSE than middle ages. in middle ages peasant class got more of the total wealth of the world than the normal person of today. observe :

[link to sociology.ucsc.edu]

5% of population in america, get a mind boggling 72% of everything.

whereas practically everyone else on the other hand, a population that is 85% (basically everyone) get only 15%.

the middle class has become a pathetic 10% that only takes 12% or so.

in middle ages a peasant had 33% rights to produce from fields, and all economy was based on farming. lords were getting only 33% too, by law.

compare 72% to 33% .... there is no way in hell a medieval lord could dream of getting that much even, despite ALL the extortion, repression and heavy handedness that was there.
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


yes.

the situation is of this moment is SO bad that you wouldnt believe. currently wealth distribution is WORSE than middle ages. in middle ages peasant class got more of the total wealth of the world than the normal person of today. observe :

[link to sociology.ucsc.edu]

5% of population in america, get a mind boggling 72% of everything.

whereas practically everyone else on the other hand, a population that is 85% (basically everyone) get only 15%.

the middle class has become a pathetic 10% that only takes 12% or so.

in middle ages a peasant had 33% rights to produce from fields, and all economy was based on farming. lords were getting only 33% too, by law.

compare 72% to 33% .... there is no way in hell a medieval lord could dream of getting that much even, despite ALL the extortion, repression and heavy handedness that was there.
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Oh but weren't all these revolutions to improve things? Guess the bankers who financed them had something else in mind

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You CANNOT do this because it is STEALING!

Imagine ditch digger A, B, and C....

Ditch digger A busts his butt to get the job done and to get it done right. He sweats, works overtime, never complains....he gets the job done correctly and efficiently.

Ditch digger B also does the job correctly. But he shows up late alot, takes too many breaks, groans about the heat and moves slower than ditch digger A, thereby forcing Ditch digger A to pick up his slack....

And ditch digger C, he rarely shows up for work on time, IF AT ALL, and when he DOES he sits under a shady oak tree watching the other two work......

Ditch digger C knows full good and well he can't be fired, written up or reprimanded because there are laws protecting him, so he gets away legally with his laziness. Afterall, all THREE ditch diggers make the SAME AMOUNT PER HOUR as the doctor, the nurse, the burger flipper, the fisherman, the rocket scientist.......heck his job couldn't get any better.....

But the king, the president, the politicians and bankers, THEY make all the money.....they are seperate and these socialistic laws do not apply to them.....you end up a slave on the same par as the sloth, while THEY end up your master......
So no thanks. Your Utopia sounds good and all that, and would only work in a place called UTOPIA......
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^^^^^THIS ohyeah
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


After the laws have been made and placed into effect and you steal all of the money from the rich, what's to stop others from stealing it from you under the guise of the same laws you stole it from the rich under?

Dumbass.
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This already happened in Bolshevik Russia, dunno why we're even talking about it anymore. Communism just DOESNT WORK.
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