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Why Not Redistribute Wealth?

 
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How would you even begin to implement something like that? Who would be in charge of the redistribution? It's a total fairy tale.
 Quoting: HI.Lander


We could start by separating church and state (already done) AND separating corporations and state. Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, make monetary lobbying illegal, vote out all those on the take, and vote in only people who have the greater interests of society in mind.

Figure out an optimum income level for comfortability, and tax all income over that figure at 90%. That's pretty much how it was back during the Eisenhower administration. Reenact Glass-Steagle and shift the risk from financial gambling from the public to the gamblers. Use that 90% tax to ensure that everyone has a reasonable standard of living through earned income credits, and free education. Eliminate interest on loans, and abolish central banks.

For starters.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


No one has commented on this. Is something along these lines a viable solution? Extend the Earned Income Credit from the current $20K to, say, $50K, so that everyone who actually works is subsidized to have a $50K income. Have an income ceiling of, say, $500K, above which is taxed at 90%. Anyone who wants to pursue a higher education pays for it based on their ability to pay.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Right now, today, the US federal government has a high tax imposed on tobacco and is giving tax credits to home buyers.

Can you explain the theory behind these practices?
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Gotta run.

The correct answer is

We punish (tax) behavior we want to discourage

and

reward (subsidize) behavior we want to encourage

The person earning 500,000 per year is doing something right. most likely he is creating his own wealth. Tax him and he will produce less.

Be subsidizing the people achieving less encourages others to strive to mediocrity.

That is only one reason your grand idea will not work, in fact it would have the opposite effect than the one you envision
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You can send me as much money as you can at [email protected]
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8 hours and not a single contribution.

I has a sad. tissue
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Gotta run.

The correct answer is

We punish (tax) behavior we want to discourage

and

reward (subsidize) behavior we want to encourage

The person earning 500,000 per year is doing something right. most likely he is creating his own wealth. Tax him and he will produce less.

Be subsidizing the people achieving less encourages others to strive to mediocrity.

That is only one reason your grand idea will not work, in fact it would have the opposite effect than the one you envision
 Quoting: Real list


So, by subsidizing too-big-to-fail banks we want to encourage financial risk, fraud, and systemic failure.

That explains that then, huh?

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Gotta run.

The correct answer is

We punish (tax) behavior we want to discourage

and

reward (subsidize) behavior we want to encourage

The person earning 500,000 per year is doing something right. most likely he is creating his own wealth. Tax him and he will produce less.

Be subsidizing the people achieving less encourages others to strive to mediocrity.

That is only one reason your grand idea will not work, in fact it would have the opposite effect than the one you envision
 Quoting: Real list


So, by subsidizing too-big-to-fail banks we want to encourage financial risk-taking and systemic failure.

That explains that then, huh?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Continue to mix functional metaphores, continue to assign to individual conservatives and those whose lives and choices you covet the responsibility for some deviant govt functionary's policy intended to confuse and create chaos and a permanent consultancy that pays well and hands out great benefits.
Individuals that you wish to hold responsible for the actions of others, will ever more strenouously refuse to accept it just to make your model fit for you, and your inability to accept your own personal behaviour as a limiting factor to your success or failure in life is different in that you are the only one responsible for your choices, yet, you accept it not, seeking a popular scapegoat to blame for a plan that you yourslef cannot live by.
Complex, convoluted plans managed by a committee not intended by nature fail. Simple plans based on individual responsibility do the best on average, where allowed.
Chronic charity has been tried in the family structure, and fail. It has bee tried in govt and failed at the cost of millions of lives. You say it hasnt been tried, the fact is that it has. THERE IS NO MODEL IN NATURE THAT FUNCTIONS THE WAY YOU WANT, not the bees or ants (as if you wanted to be a workerbee 24/7/365 and then die anyway) You reallly want something that doesnt exist, and cant exist and wont exist even if you ran it.
GET OVER IT.
You will get no answer as you dont want any answer other than that somebody owes you.
You, as an impotent failure want to be 'affirmative actioned' into dictatorhood, and it jus aint in de cards for yeh.

Sorry
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Wealth redistribution in action


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Modern day mom right there.
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This will happen once our species grows up, and graduates Kindergarten...

Until then, you're stuck in Elementary School.
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Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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Gotta run.

The correct answer is

We punish (tax) behavior we want to discourage

and

reward (subsidize) behavior we want to encourage

The person earning 500,000 per year is doing something right. most likely he is creating his own wealth. Tax him and he will produce less.

Be subsidizing the people achieving less encourages others to strive to mediocrity.

That is only one reason your grand idea will not work, in fact it would have the opposite effect than the one you envision
 Quoting: Real list


So, by subsidizing too-big-to-fail banks we want to encourage financial risk-taking and systemic failure.

That explains that then, huh?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


Continue to mix functional metaphores, continue to assign to individual conservatives and those whose lives and choices you covet the responsibility for some deviant govt functionary's policy intended to confuse and create chaos and a permanent consultancy that pays well and hands out great benefits.
Individuals that you wish to hold responsible for the actions of others, will ever more strenouously refuse to accept it just to make your model fit for you, and your inability to accept your own personal behaviour as a limiting factor to your success or failure in life is different in that you are the only one responsible for your choices, yet, you accept it not, seeking a popular scapegoat to blame for a plan that you yourslef cannot live by.
Complex, convoluted plans managed by a committee not intended by nature fail. Simple plans based on individual responsibility do the best on average, where allowed.
Chronic charity has been tried in the family structure, and fail. It has bee tried in govt and failed at the cost of millions of lives. You say it hasnt been tried, the fact is that it has. THERE IS NO MODEL IN NATURE THAT FUNCTIONS THE WAY YOU WANT, not the bees or ants (as if you wanted to be a workerbee 24/7/365 and then die anyway) You reallly want something that doesnt exist, and cant exist and wont exist even if you ran it.
GET OVER IT.
You will get no answer as you dont want any answer other than that somebody owes you.
You, as an impotent failure want to be 'affirmative actioned' into dictatorhood, and it jus aint in de cards for yeh.

Sorry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So, then, this economy is the apex of efficiency and equity, and cannot be improved upon. We have reached the penultimate stage of human existence and endeavor. Very well then. Who am I to question the prevailing paradigm?
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Completely 100% approve of this thread. Of course thats what is needed, but still preserving Freedom of thought, expression, work, speech. liberty, rights, and freedom from oppression by corporate clowns.
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Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
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This will happen once our species grows up, and graduates Kindergarten...

Until then, you're stuck in Elementary School.
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Very good.

Are we not at the point of history where we are ready to grow up fast?

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LET SEE I WORK VERY HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE, YOU ONTHE OTHER HAND ARE A LAZY FUCK . SO YOUTHINK YOU DESERVE SOME OF THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE I'LL JUST FUCKING QUIT AND WHEN I NEED SOMETHING I'LL SREAL IT FROM YOU . GOD I HATE YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAZY ASS LIBS!
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LET SEE I WORK VERY HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE, YOU ONTHE OTHER HAND ARE A LAZY FUCK . SO YOUTHINK YOU DESERVE SOME OF THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE I'LL JUST FUCKING QUIT AND WHEN I NEED SOMETHING I'LL SREAL IT FROM YOU . GOD I HATE YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAZY ASS LIBS!
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You must be one of them billionaire parasites who create nothing of value, eh?

BTW, You're presumption is erroneous. I work hard too.

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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
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Your brain is smaller then a walnut.
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Some of you people commenting here are completely-brainwashed and incapable of contextual thought.

The whole concept of one thinking you are "self-sufficient" in a modern technological society is beyond absurd. We all depend on complex centralized systems and institutions, both public and private in order to enjoy our high material (but not necessarily psychological!) standard of living we tend to take for granted. Centralization means operations are super concentrated in fewer and fewer places and fewer and fewer people are making the decisions that effect our lives the greatest.

You really want to be "self-sufficient"??...sure, move into a shack out in the middle of the country, grow and hunt all your own food, generate your own electricity, manage your own waste and learn how to be your own doctor! If your house catches on fire you're gonna have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and put out the dang blaze yourself!

Otherwise, you smug, clueless desk jockey pricks need to get a fucking clue about real things like science and technology before commenting on complex shit you don't really understand in the first place. Your job (income) most likely depends on global supply chains, complex infrastructure and our natural environment's continued ability to withstand all the abuse our species is projecting onto it.

The "rugged individualist" archetype is part of a national folklore that doesn't really mean shit anymore (functionally) in our modern era.

Time for us to grow up indeed!
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Your brain is smaller then a walnut.
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But very tightly-packed
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Seems to me the whole problem with the global economy boils down to selfish greed. We have a tiny segment of the world's population controlling an inordinate amount of the world's wealth. The whole system is designed to make the wealth flow upward and those who have it are taking it from those who don't. It's gimme, gimme, gimme--it's mine, mine, mine--take, take, take--I have mine, get your own, fuck you.

Precisely the type of attitude that so-called adults implore their children NOT to do in kindergarten.

Seems that redistributing wealth would be an act of enlightened self-interest for those who have it, so that everyone could be housed, fed, clothed, and educated at a comfortable level and everyone would be happy, poverty would be eliminated, and the world's economy would become a smooth-running, well-lubricated machine in perpetuity.

Everyone would have a high standard of living, be well-educated, which in turn would spur innovation and invention, increasing the quality-of-life for everyone, and enhance creative new industries and technologies that would take us to the stars.

I mean, how many billions does one person need?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


...great theory....EXCEPT....

When you TAX people to take away their wealth.....those same people lose their incentive to earn it....or they move elsewhere where they won't be taxed so harshly.

THEREFORE....you will NEVER produce what you THINK you will produce by taxing people to death.

You tax too much...people stop working for it.....and you kill the economy as well because there is no incentive to produce.

ie...
Why bother....the government will take it all anyway.

clues

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You are 100% correct. There is more than enough for everyone. This is EXACTLY what mankind should do.

Those so called "Christians" will never, ever "sell all that they have and give it to the poor. They'll just grab their guns and vote TeaBag.
It is time for the utter and complete destruction of TeaBaggery and Conservatism.
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Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1537401


OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


You have not described what man will be in this future world. If men are angels and if an economic system is needed to transact business, then ANY economic system will work fine.

But in the present world men are not angels, so the best economic system is one that best promotes fairness and productivity.

To you question earlirt about government rewarding banks for their misconduct, as toy have seen, banks have not changed their ways. So the answer is yes, we do get more of the behavior we subsidize and less of what we punish (tax).

You introduced a hypothetical. Here is another

A man researches for years and discovers a drug that CURES diabetes. He sells his new miracle drug and his income is beyond the limit and taxes take all over his limit. This man has the potential to develop a drug that CURES cancer. Why should he? Why should he labor for another long period of time, ruin his own health, deprive his family of his company for no gain?

Who would be enjoying Ipads if Steve Jobs had no monetary incentive to invent it? He already had billions. But 10s of thousands of folks would be deprived the pleasure of the new machine.

I bet you answer is they should work for the good of humanity. Well, maybe they would, but what if they wouldn't?
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Get corporations and their influence OUT of government, get their minions out of government and give the power back to "the people"
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there ya go!
redistribution is stealing & gives zero incentive for self awarenss, creativity and true abundance.
the game has been rigged for so long to keep those in power, in power..less laws and more common sense will make us all rich, beyond any balance sheet.
People really do want to take care of themselves, then others. There is great stuff being worked out here...somehow with the blessing of this financial mess, we will have a new & open system. It's gonna be some shit in transition, but that's how it goes.
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This will happen once our species grows up, and graduates Kindergarten...

Until then, you're stuck in Elementary School.
 Quoting: Celia D.


Very good.

Are we not at the point of history where we are ready to grow up fast?
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LET SEE I WORK VERY HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE, YOU ONTHE OTHER HAND ARE A LAZY FUCK . SO YOUTHINK YOU DESERVE SOME OF THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE I'LL JUST FUCKING QUIT AND WHEN I NEED SOMETHING I'LL SREAL IT FROM YOU . GOD I HATE YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAZY ASS LIBS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1289603


You must be one of them billionaire parasites who create nothing of value, eh?

BTW, You're presumption is erroneous. I work hard too.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


It sounds to me like you're tired of working and are giving up on your dream of years past. I bet back then, when you took your hard earned $400 and invested it in yourself and turned it into a viable business, you thought different!

The problem is with Government....you can't expect a free market to operate with socialistic programs draining it. That's why the 1950's era flourished, we didn't have to sustain the leeches of society. Now, we have 50% of the people drawing SS that haven't even retired yet. If you think this and all the other social hand outs are sustainable you're nuts!

Less Government....More Industry, Problem solved. Freedom isn't cheap, you have to work for it....I vote for taking responsibility of myself, my actions & my rewards!

For The Republic We Stand....
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You are 100% correct. There is more than enough for everyone. This is EXACTLY what mankind should do.

Those so called "Christians" will never, ever "sell all that they have and give it to the poor. They'll just grab their guns and vote TeaBag.
 Quoting: Scytherius


Please show me the way...and your last receipt from your charitable contribution.

Thanks!
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Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1537401


OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


You have not described what man will be in this future world. If men are angels and if an economic system is needed to transact business, then ANY economic system will work fine.

But in the present world men are not angels, so the best economic system is one that best promotes fairness and productivity.

To you question earlirt about government rewarding banks for their misconduct, as toy have seen, banks have not changed their ways. So the answer is yes, we do get more of the behavior we subsidize and less of what we punish (tax).

You introduced a hypothetical. Here is another

A man researches for years and discovers a drug that CURES diabetes. He sells his new miracle drug and his income is beyond the limit and taxes take all over his limit. This man has the potential to develop a drug that CURES cancer. Why should he? Why should he labor for another long period of time, ruin his own health, deprive his family of his company for no gain?

Who would be enjoying Ipads if Steve Jobs had no monetary incentive to invent it? He already had billions. But 10s of thousands of folks would be deprived the pleasure of the new machine.

I bet you answer is they should work for the good of humanity. Well, maybe they would, but what if they wouldn't?
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In your scenario, you have it wrong...it's not the income that he receives that is the incentive....it's the profits to be made to invest into the next project....if you tax the profits 90% you have very little to invest on the next project.
But, who cares if your man could cure cancer, the leeches have their supplemented income thanks to the mans hard work and sacrifice.
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Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
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You have not described what man will be in this future world. If men are angels and if an economic system is needed to transact business, then ANY economic system will work fine.

But in the present world men are not angels, so the best economic system is one that best promotes fairness and productivity.

To you question earlirt about government rewarding banks for their misconduct, as toy have seen, banks have not changed their ways. So the answer is yes, we do get more of the behavior we subsidize and less of what we punish (tax).

You introduced a hypothetical. Here is another

A man researches for years and discovers a drug that CURES diabetes. He sells his new miracle drug and his income is beyond the limit and taxes take all over his limit. This man has the potential to develop a drug that CURES cancer. Why should he? Why should he labor for another long period of time, ruin his own health, deprive his family of his company for no gain?

Who would be enjoying Ipads if Steve Jobs had no monetary incentive to invent it? He already had billions. But 10s of thousands of folks would be deprived the pleasure of the new machine.

I bet you answer is they should work for the good of humanity. Well, maybe they would, but what if they wouldn't?
 Quoting: Real list


So, a $500K annual income isn't enough to create any incentive? This hypothetical 90% tax rate (which it what it was 60 years ago), would affect only about 1% of the population.

Do you think people who invent stuff are always motivated by money? Maybe they're motivated by the problem-solving process, or by a desire to give something significant to humanity, or to be remembered by the future. These people who presume humans only do anything out of financial motivation are living in a strange personal paradigm.
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Re: Why Not Redistribute Wealth?
Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


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OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


You have not described what man will be in this future world. If men are angels and if an economic system is needed to transact business, then ANY economic system will work fine.

But in the present world men are not angels, so the best economic system is one that best promotes fairness and productivity.

To you question earlirt about government rewarding banks for their misconduct, as toy have seen, banks have not changed their ways. So the answer is yes, we do get more of the behavior we subsidize and less of what we punish (tax).

You introduced a hypothetical. Here is another

A man researches for years and discovers a drug that CURES diabetes. He sells his new miracle drug and his income is beyond the limit and taxes take all over his limit. This man has the potential to develop a drug that CURES cancer. Why should he? Why should he labor for another long period of time, ruin his own health, deprive his family of his company for no gain?

Who would be enjoying Ipads if Steve Jobs had no monetary incentive to invent it? He already had billions. But 10s of thousands of folks would be deprived the pleasure of the new machine.

I bet you answer is they should work for the good of humanity. Well, maybe they would, but what if they wouldn't?
 Quoting: Real list


In your scenario, you have it wrong...it's not the income that he receives that is the incentive....it's the profits to be made to invest into the next project....if you tax the profits 90% you have very little to invest on the next project.
But, who cares if your man could cure cancer, the leeches have their supplemented income thanks to the mans hard work and sacrifice.
 Quoting: -->PaTiEnT ZeRo<--


Either way, the point is that men do their best, work their hardest, are most productive when his motives are selfish. A guy doing you a favor has no real incentive to work hard or to do a great job. But a guy who depends on the quality and quantity of his work for his income will do his very best to please the customer.
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Re: Why Not Redistribute Wealth?
LET SEE I WORK VERY HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE, YOU ONTHE OTHER HAND ARE A LAZY FUCK . SO YOUTHINK YOU DESERVE SOME OF THE FRUITS OF MY LABOR. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE I'LL JUST FUCKING QUIT AND WHEN I NEED SOMETHING I'LL SREAL IT FROM YOU . GOD I HATE YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAZY ASS LIBS!
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You must be one of them billionaire parasites who create nothing of value, eh?

BTW, You're presumption is erroneous. I work hard too.
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It sounds to me like you're tired of working and are giving up on your dream of years past. I bet back then, when you took your hard earned $400 and invested it in yourself and turned it into a viable business, you thought different!

The problem is with Government....you can't expect a free market to operate with socialistic programs draining it. That's why the 1950's era flourished, we didn't have to sustain the leeches of society. Now, we have 50% of the people drawing SS that haven't even retired yet. If you think this and all the other social hand outs are sustainable you're nuts!

Less Government....More Industry, Problem solved. Freedom isn't cheap, you have to work for it....I vote for taking responsibility of myself, my actions & my rewards!

For The Republic We Stand....
 Quoting: -->PaTiEnT ZeRo<--


Yes, the problem IS the government, which has been bought and paid for by billionaires and the corporations they control. I said earlier in this thread that we have separation of church and state, which is a given. But we also need separation of business (corporations) and state. And we need to realize that corporations are NOT people, and money is NOT speech.

There is entirely too much bribery going on, too much corruption. The term "lobbying" is the lipstick they put on this pig. The legislative and judicial process is run by the special interests, for the special interests, and "we the people" have been left out of the equation. Who lobbies for us?

We are much closer to Mussolini's definition of fascism than we are to democracy in this country. Corporations control everything and are the real power in this country, since their minions have been doing their bidding in Washington for decades.
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Re: Why Not Redistribute Wealth?
Because thats what the antichrist will do...


The antichrist will redistribute the wealth. Deflation benefits the antichrist while hyper inflation would allow everyone to pay off their debts, he obviously will use people’s debt as leverage against them. Why would he want to help pay off people’s debt through inflation? Strategically it doesn’t make any sense.

(Daniel 11:24) He shall enter peaceably [through taxation], even into the richest places of the province [where the wealthy are], and he shall do what his predecessors and the founding fathers have not done: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches [redistribute the wealth]; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds [where the wealth is secured], but only for a time.

This will allow his earlier supporters to be able to pay off their debts. As people start paying off their debts with the newly redistributed wealth the money supply shrinks and it will become much harder for those who do not support the antichrist to pay off their own debts as the money supply will be drastically reduced. This will financially squeeze and pressure people into submission or they will risk bankruptcy and being homeless and hungry in a violent and dangerous world.

Bible says Gold and Silver will be useless:

(Ezekiel 7:19) They shall fling their silver into the streets, their gold shall be treated as unclean. Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it.

(Proverbs 11:4) Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

(James 5:1-3) Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment.


[link to whitesareisrael.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1537401


OK, let's bump this discussion up another notch. Let's assume that at some point in the future this present age will pass away and the Evil that has ruled this world will be chained in The Bottomless Pit. The Millennium will be ushered in, as foretold in prophesy. Let's speculate on what the Millennial economy will look like.

How will/should it be?
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


You have not described what man will be in this future world. If men are angels and if an economic system is needed to transact business, then ANY economic system will work fine.

But in the present world men are not angels, so the best economic system is one that best promotes fairness and productivity.

To you question earlirt about government rewarding banks for their misconduct, as toy have seen, banks have not changed their ways. So the answer is yes, we do get more of the behavior we subsidize and less of what we punish (tax).

You introduced a hypothetical. Here is another

A man researches for years and discovers a drug that CURES diabetes. He sells his new miracle drug and his income is beyond the limit and taxes take all over his limit. This man has the potential to develop a drug that CURES cancer. Why should he? Why should he labor for another long period of time, ruin his own health, deprive his family of his company for no gain?

Who would be enjoying Ipads if Steve Jobs had no monetary incentive to invent it? He already had billions. But 10s of thousands of folks would be deprived the pleasure of the new machine.

I bet you answer is they should work for the good of humanity. Well, maybe they would, but what if they wouldn't?
 Quoting: Real list


So, a $500K annual income isn't enough to create any incentive? This hypothetical 90% tax rate (which it what it was 60 years ago), would affect only about 1% of the population.

Do you think people who invent stuff are always motivated by money? Maybe they're motivated by the problem-solving process, or by a desire to give something significant to humanity, or to be remembered by the future. These people who presume humans only do anything out of financial motivation are living in a strange personal paradigm.
 Quoting: TheTymeBeing


You reject my hypothetical? How rude.

Your premise was to redistribute wealth. In this world, at this time and with human nature as it presently is. Now you want to change human nature and talk about a future world.

I pointed out one reason I believe your idea would not work and you argue the reasons I did not address.

There are many reasons why it would not work, but we only need to show one.





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