If God is perfect why did he create something imperfect like man.

Thank you. But I am still a lost little lamb on that matter.

A concept that fits with me is that we are all eternal souls, non physical beings of light, God being no different (we exist in his perfect image). The difference between the Supreme Soul and we human souls being that we incarnate and source doesn't, his altruism is infinite, whereas as human souls we have the desire for expression and experience. He remains bodiless and perfect in order to be there when the time comes for our restoration.

Enter the physical universe, planet earth (our eternal playground/and for some time our jail). Souls come to incarnate and things are great for a long time, there is no fear, instead an understanding of eternal existence and reincarnation, no attachment only pure connections with each other. There is no accumulation of negative karma because negativity does not exist.

Like batteries, our energy gradually starts to decrease and after many incarnations we forget we are souls experiencing through bodies and we begin to identify with the bodies as being ourselves. We label ourselves, male and female, black or white etc. Hatred and jealousy breed. The time of duality begins and a search for what we have lost, religions are established, we continue to fall. Instead of divine virtues, we now interact with the vices of ego, anger, lust, greed and attachment.

Eventually, we come to this point in time, energy completely drained and the only thing to do is wake up, reconnect with ourselves and our Source and accept the journey. By understanding time as eternal and cyclic we can reclaim our original identities as eternal souls, settle our accumulation of negative karma and go home to our father for a period of rest and recharge.

Here is a link to a visual experience of this concept

[link to www.youtube.com]

or to read in fairytale style [link to www.rainbowsinparadise.com]

--Little Toad, why are you all green and and slimy?
--Oh, nothing. I am just a ailing a bit, but normally I am white and fluffy.

Thank you. I hope you got the answer to your question somewhere in this thread, OP. Or the path to your answer...may you be blessed!

There once was this little Toad all broken hearted
Who always seemed to end up from where he started
He hopped till he dropped
Went croak till he was broke
And all anyone remembers is that he farted

Ribbit

YOU fucked up because even now you can't take control of your own WILL and take responsibility of your OWN thoughts and actions. So you seek a way to blame God even though there's no God here controlling your life..

Do you know what FREE WILL is. It means no one CONTROLS YOU. Not even GOD. Along with this FREE WILL we were given a simple commandant. Love your neighbour as you would have them love you.

YOU know what people seek to do with their FREE WILL?


Dominate and control other people, to rule over them, using practically everything they can to make that possible. They seek to make others bend to their own WILL.


That's how you and others respect FREE WILL.


Remember that story about a war in Heaven? Well that what that was about. Us seeking to dominate in Heaven, so we got cast out to Earth.

And now here in the flesh you have the nerve to complain about things being imperfect.


Welcome to a lesson learned the hard way.

The Earth sucks because we are ALL of the same desire, meaning we desire to rule and control each other, and hence this is the result of that desire. This Earth as it is now. Look around you, and throughout history.

This is what happens when you use your FREE WILL to abuse other's FREE WILL. As it stands now, Human WILL is restricted, thankfully. But still people seek to abuse others anyway.


Yet you blame God for your troubles.


Heck it wasn't even God who cast us out. It's was the other Angels in Heaven we warred against. Breaking God's law.

God clearly could of prevented and stopped the war. But what would be the point of giving us FREE WILL?

The other Angels being more understanding than us, and who clearly demonstrated the commandment love thy neighbour in their actions, then set up this universe, this Earth specifically for our redemption, to make us perfect again via Earthly incarnations and the many experiences they bring. And yes suffering is a large part of that.

Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.

WONDERFUL! Thanks for the perspective...

God did create us perfect and we are perfect. As souls. But there are other things that lead us to imperfection. First we are in a type of space time different from divine space time on account of the fall.
God created all beings with free will and that includes angels. Some of them fell and we followed thanks to their jealousy and interference. Which places us partly in their 'time zone'.

Evil is just turning away from God. Which God allows. Cosequenty many have chosen the wrong path. BUT it gets complicated because of mind control and other interference. To commit evil you have to freely choose. To receive evil is another story.

So true. Perhaps those who fell first are the ones who have the responsibility to reclaim themselves first, they bear a lot of karma for leading the fall. Ego sneaks in so easily on the path to truth but remembering this is very levelling, those who are awake now have a duty to truth and to others.

Receiving evil is also a choice, we can choose not to be victims once we are aware that we had become just that. Reclaiming self value and authenticity can put a stop to victimhood though.

In the words of Bill Hicks 'It's just a ride'.

This story is from the Upanishads, Kathopanishad, a scripture that unveils the mystery of death and the meaning of life.

An old story is told about the beginning of time. The universe was in the process of being created and not everything was yet in order or fully functioning. Before the universe could be totally engaged, the Creator had one final task to complete. To help him complete this task the Creator summoned an angel.

The angel came. The Creator told the angel that he had one last job to do in the making of the universe.

“I saved the best for last,” the Creator told the angel. “I have here the real meaning of human life, the treasure of life, the purpose and goal of all this that I have created.

“Because this treasure is valuable beyond description,” the Creator continued, “I want you to hide it. Hide this treasure so well that human beings will know its value to be immeasurable.”

“I will do so” said the angel. “I will hide the treasure of life on the highest mountain top.”

“The treasure will be too easy to find there,” said the Creator.

“Then,” said the angel, “I will hide the treasure in the great desert wilderness. Surely, the treasure will not be easily found there.”

“No, too easy.”

“In the vast reaches of the universe?” asked the angel. “That would make a difficult search.”

“No,” the Creator said pondering. Then his face showed a flash of inspiration. “I know. I have the place. Hide the treasure of life within the human being. He will look there last and know how precious this treasure is. Yes, hide the treasure there.”

YOU fucked up because even now you can't take control of your own WILL and take responsibility of your OWN thoughts and actions. So you seek a way to blame God even though there's no God here controlling your life..

Do you know what FREE WILL is. It means no one CONTROLS YOU. Not even GOD. Along with this FREE WILL we were given a simple commandant. Love your neighbour as you would have them love you.

YOU know what people seek to do with their FREE WILL?


Dominate and control other people, to rule over them, using practically everything they can to make that possible. They seek to make others bend to their own WILL.


That's how you and others respect FREE WILL.


Remember that story about a war in Heaven? Well that what that was about. Us seeking to dominate in Heaven, so we got cast out to Earth.

And now here in the flesh you have the nerve to complain about things being imperfect.


Welcome to a lesson learned the hard way.

The Earth sucks because we are ALL of the same desire, meaning we desire to rule and control each other, and hence this is the result of that desire. This Earth as it is now. Look around you, and throughout history.

This is what happens when you use your FREE WILL to abuse other's FREE WILL. As it stands now, Human WILL is restricted, thankfully. But still people seek to abuse others anyway.


Yet you blame God for your troubles.


Heck it wasn't even God who cast us out. It's was the other Angels in Heaven we warred against. Breaking God's law.

God clearly could of prevented and stopped the war. But what would be the point of giving us FREE WILL?

The other Angels being more understanding than us, and who clearly demonstrated the commandment love thy neighbour in their actions, then set up this universe, this Earth specifically for our redemption, to make us perfect again via Earthly incarnations and the many experiences they bring. And yes suffering is a large part of that.

Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.

So you defy the Bible and claim God isn't omniscient nor omnipotent?

Freewill does not exist if you assume your god knows everything beforehand, created everything and has absolute power to change anything about what he created.

God knew Eve would eat the apple even during the 7 days of creation. Yet he still created it in such a way that she ate the apple.

But if you don't agree with the notion of omnipotence and omniscience then why exactly would you still call yourself Christian?

As to your earlier comments, you missed the mark but as to this old parable, you hit it!

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It's a lovely parable. We all have different experiences and beliefs and mine are true to me as yours are to you. I'm still very happy to share views with you along the way though

Okay explain this to me.

If God is perfect then everything he creates should be perfect. Earth, the universe, the animals on earth and mankind.

But look what fucked up beings we are on this planet. We are murderers, destroyers of nature and this planet.

How could a perfect God create this. And more importantly why?

Only logical answer is a perfect God didn't create us. We created us. Our imperfect selves. There is no perfect God.

God gave us life, to live, and have choices, evil or good.

BTW - God is the Universe and the Universe is God's Mind.

Ahhh, now I get where we differ in views. Omnipresence, it is something I cannot accept as a personal truth. Just like the light of the sun, I believe Creator's light can reach to most places but it emanates from one source. Countless grains of sand make up one beach but each grain is independent - like us human souls.

The freewill which we were given and the nature of entropy is what has brought about the decay around us. Like Zeus, Creator knows all of this eternally - we only get to spin this discuss of past, present and future right now at this point in time. At least those are my truths

First, if you want to see the Creator's Light, look at the center of ANY spiral galaxy or look within yourself. Science thinks the Universe is a closed system (aka: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) but it is a OPEN SYSTEM, with the small black holes, that open up when a star collapses, being the black holes drawing matter into the 1st Dimension to recycle that part of the galaxy and the TWIN black holes, at the center of ALL spiral galaxies, eject VIRGIN matter in the form of LIGHT!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Second, the only entropy in the universe is your closed mind, but EVERYONE is closed minded. The You're Always Right Paradox proves everyone is closed minded.

Ribbit

Okay explain this to me.

If God is perfect then everything he creates should be perfect. Earth, the universe, the animals on earth and mankind.

But look what fucked up beings we are on this planet. We are murderers, destroyers of nature and this planet.

How could a perfect God create this. And more importantly why?

Only logical answer is a perfect God didn't create us. We created us. Our imperfect selves. There is no perfect God.