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Lecaro  (OP)

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God said don't remove the standards (Landmarks) of society.
This applied to all society and nations or God said he would destroy such nations.

1) No Sodomites (homosexuals or lesbians)...don't favor them in any way. (he told the jewish people to stone them to death).

2) No cross dressing feminists or effeminate men. It is an abomination for a woman to take on the characteristics of a man and vice versa. The feminist movement is essentially lesbianism and leads to the destruction of society.

3) Authority of a married couple over their children. All this crap about the government stepping in when there isn't abuse to vaccinate/indoctrinate is of the devil. Homeschooled kids being removed from parents is devilish. Only removal of kids when there is physical or severe emotional abuse.

4) Sanctity of marriage. All these flippant fornicators and adulterers or "swingers" is a cancer on society. Legal prostitution is an oxymoron in God's book. Prostitution should always be illegal. Sure it happens, but society sanctioning it will bring a society down.
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What book is that from? a Joyce Myer?
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Pick and choose your quotes and I shall pick mine. Use them towards me and I shall do the same.
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Meaning.. You want Leviticus.. Then we shall talk about the other 22 items in the list. But if you knew Hebrew, you would know that's not what the verse says.
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well, as much fun as its been defending equal rights like ladies did in the 20's and black's did in the 60's. I am bored now, and its GORGEOUS outside. Maybe, Ill head out and place an ad for a Surrogate. Lots of people out of work. 10 months of pay, will go a long way these days! Ta ta for now.
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Being female and being black are not lifestyle choices.

Part of the reason we straights try to prevent you from mayying is for your own good. You get bored too easily and want to flit from encounter to encounter. Marriage will only get in the way of that.
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Allowing one religion to define our country that is the land of many... now there is some lubed up cucumber. or a slippery slope.
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You mean like if we make Christmas (a religious holy-day) a FEDERAL hoilday, that someday all religious holy-days will become federal holidays?

And let's see, store display Christmas themes, towns and cities decorate with ANGELS and WREATHS, and EVERGREEN boughs, all having religious significance.

Yep, we must never allow ourselves to be defined by religion
 Quoting: Real list


Where do you live? All those things are VERBOTEN in Philadelphia. Our "Christmas plays" in schools are now "Winter Festivals". Oh sure the teachers take the days off..but religious undertones let alone overtones??? Never. Unless of course your Muslim...then Prayer rooms for you!
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man woman white black gay or straight no matter what group you fall in at some point in history we all had to stand up for the rights that we deserve, some people used to think that women should never vote and blacks should always be separate but equal, yet here we are with a black president. Gays will fight for their rights just like anyone else who is denied a certain right. Some states already allow gay marriage and more will soon follow (i hope)

Im gay and i dont plan on getting married any time soon but if i wanted to i see no reason why i shouldnt be allowed too

we had to fight for our rights when this country started and 235 years later we still have to fight for the rights EVERYONE deserves

i can remember reading this somewhere but for the life of me i cant remember where i read it hmmm

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

I will continue my pursuit of happiness with whoever makes me happy, married or not

just try to stop me pphtt
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man woman white black gay or straight no matter what group you fall in at some point in history we all had to stand up for the rights that we deserve, some people used to think that women should never vote and blacks should always be separate but equal, yet here we are with a black president. Gays will fight for their rights just like anyone else who is denied a certain right. Some states already allow gay marriage and more will soon follow (i hope)

Im gay and i dont plan on getting married any time soon but if i wanted to i see no reason why i shouldnt be allowed too

we had to fight for our rights when this country started and 235 years later we still have to fight for the rights EVERYONE deserves

i can remember reading this somewhere but for the life of me i cant remember where i read it hmmm

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

I will continue my pursuit of happiness with whoever makes me happy, married or not

just try to stop me pphtt
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well, as much fun as its been defending equal rights like ladies did in the 20's and black's did in the 60's. I am bored now, and its GORGEOUS outside. Maybe, Ill head out and place an ad for a Surrogate. Lots of people out of work. 10 months of pay, will go a long way these days! Ta ta for now.
 Quoting: Lecaro


Being female and being black are not lifestyle choices.

Part of the reason we straights try to prevent you from mayying is for your own good. You get bored too easily and want to flit from encounter to encounter. Marriage will only get in the way of that.
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A plague upon your evil household
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Allowing one religion to define our country that is the land of many... now there is some lubed up cucumber. or a slippery slope.
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You mean like if we make Christmas (a religious holy-day) a FEDERAL hoilday, that someday all religious holy-days will become federal holidays?

And let's see, store display Christmas themes, towns and cities decorate with ANGELS and WREATHS, and EVERGREEN boughs, all having religious significance.

Yep, we must never allow ourselves to be defined by religion
 Quoting: Real list


Where do you live? All those things are VERBOTEN in Philadelphia. Our "Christmas plays" in schools are now "Winter Festivals". Oh sure the teachers take the days off..but religious undertones let alone overtones??? Never. Unless of course your Muslim...then Prayer rooms for you!
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I did not say ALL towns, but my wife works at a federal agency, and Christmas is a holiday
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man woman white black gay or straight no matter what group you fall in at some point in history we all had to stand up for the rights that we deserve, some people used to think that women should never vote and blacks should always be separate but equal, yet here we are with a black president. Gays will fight for their rights just like anyone else who is denied a certain right. Some states already allow gay marriage and more will soon follow (i hope)

Im gay and i dont plan on getting married any time soon but if i wanted to i see no reason why i shouldnt be allowed too

we had to fight for our rights when this country started and 235 years later we still have to fight for the rights EVERYONE deserves

i can remember reading this somewhere but for the life of me i cant remember where i read it hmmm

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

I will continue my pursuit of happiness with whoever makes me happy, married or not

just try to stop me pphtt
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Ummm...dude, no one is stopping you from being happy (except for the true extremists which are few). I dont care if your greatest enjoyment is receiving a Blumpkin...knock yourself out...Jeez

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Allowing one religion to define our country that is the land of many... now there is some lubed up cucumber. or a slippery slope.
 Quoting: Lecaro


You mean like if we make Christmas (a religious holy-day) a FEDERAL hoilday, that someday all religious holy-days will become federal holidays?

And let's see, store display Christmas themes, towns and cities decorate with ANGELS and WREATHS, and EVERGREEN boughs, all having religious significance.

Yep, we must never allow ourselves to be defined by religion
 Quoting: Real list


Where do you live? All those things are VERBOTEN in Philadelphia. Our "Christmas plays" in schools are now "Winter Festivals". Oh sure the teachers take the days off..but religious undertones let alone overtones??? Never. Unless of course your Muslim...then Prayer rooms for you!
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I did not say ALL towns, but my wife works at a federal agency, and Christmas is a holiday
 Quoting: Real list



Real...I wasnt trying to be a dick, I honestly wanted to know where your AO was. My neighborhood as a child was the typical American tradition. Now that my youngest is coming up through high school I have seen the devestation of that tradition through political correctness. The manger scene on the Township lawn has long ago been shelved. Hell, I had to go head to head with a Principal and the school board when I found out the pledge of allegiance was "optional" and several teachers didnt have flags in the classroom.
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well, as much fun as its been defending equal rights like ladies did in the 20's and black's did in the 60's. I am bored now, and its GORGEOUS outside. Maybe, Ill head out and place an ad for a Surrogate. Lots of people out of work. 10 months of pay, will go a long way these days! Ta ta for now.
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Being female and being black are not lifestyle choices.

Part of the reason we straights try to prevent you from mayying is for your own good. You get bored too easily and want to flit from encounter to encounter. Marriage will only get in the way of that.
 Quoting: Real list


Saying shit like that just proves how stupid you really are, when i say you, i mean you not straight people. Saying we get bored too easy is like saying all black people talk like thugs when they dont or all women who show a little skin are whores when they arent, you cant say a group of people all do the same things because in reality they dont. Straight people have lots of "encounters" try watching the tv show cheaters or looking at the abortion and divorce rate of this country. I am in no way saying that ALL straight people cheat or have abortions or divorce (because they dont)
I'm gay and ive been with my partner for 6 years, in that 6 years my sister a mother of 3 (divorced) has had 4 boyfriends and 1 of her kids have a different father than the other two, which does not bother me, everyone has the right to do whatever the fuck they want with whoever they want. My other sister (also divorced) has had 3 boyfriends in the past 6 years, both sisters say they will never again get married, the way i see it marriage is getting in your way

sorry for the rant but ill end with a quote from my father
"when i want your opinion ill give it to you"

Just remember Real List, its for your own good
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I fully agree that marriage should be a "holy union" and treated as such. As many so-called "Christians" as non-believers make up the percentage of divorces in this country and that is shameful.

However, to the degree that gays should be allowed to marry...read your history. The fall of EVERY great nation from Babylon to Rome has shortly been preceded by the resounding acceptance of homosexuality in their society and the sacrifice of children (abortion, as it is called today). America is already treading dangerously on thin ice, that would be the nail in the coffin, if you ask me.

We need to return marriage to the sanctity intended for it and not completely throw what's left of it under the bus by sanctioning the unnatural act of homosexuality as a qualifier.

hf
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So gays are as bad as sacrificing children... OMG what god do you serve? C _ R _ A _ Z _ omg.
 Quoting: Lecaro


One sin is no worse than the other, even down to what we might consider small sins like gossip. All need the forgiveness provided through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

That being said, re-read what I posted above...the fall of every great nation has taken place just after these two sins are widely accepted in their society. Not equating one with the other but merely stating a fact. When a nation ignores that fact, they do so to their own peril.
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I agree with you, Watcher. It is not about bashing or hating gays. It is just a fact that increased homosexual behavior is a sign that the society is in peril.
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well, as much fun as its been defending equal rights like ladies did in the 20's and black's did in the 60's. I am bored now, and its GORGEOUS outside. Maybe, Ill head out and place an ad for a Surrogate. Lots of people out of work. 10 months of pay, will go a long way these days! Ta ta for now.
 Quoting: Lecaro


Being female and being black are not lifestyle choices.

Part of the reason we straights try to prevent you from mayying is for your own good. You get bored too easily and want to flit from encounter to encounter. Marriage will only get in the way of that.
 Quoting: Real list


Saying shit like that just proves how stupid you really are, when i say you, i mean you not straight people. Saying we get bored too easy is like saying all black people talk like thugs when they dont or all women who show a little skin are whores when they arent, you cant say a group of people all do the same things because in reality they dont. Straight people have lots of "encounters" try watching the tv show cheaters or looking at the abortion and divorce rate of this country. I am in no way saying that ALL straight people cheat or have abortions or divorce (because they dont)
I'm gay and ive been with my partner for 6 years, in that 6 years my sister a mother of 3 (divorced) has had 4 boyfriends and 1 of her kids have a different father than the other two, which does not bother me, everyone has the right to do whatever the fuck they want with whoever they want. My other sister (also divorced) has had 3 boyfriends in the past 6 years, both sisters say they will never again get married, the way i see it marriage is getting in your way

sorry for the rant but ill end with a quote from my father
"when i want your opinion ill give it to you"

Just remember Real List, its for your own good
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OP has been throwing in strawman arguments and generally speaking of the straight segment of society in a sterertypical manner, I thought I'd give him a dose back.

I know that not all homosexuals are alike just as any group has diversity among it's members. OP started the thread in 'attack' mode. It was time he was attacked in return... he used up all my patience and goodwill.

What did you think about my theory on how 'marriage' originated and evolved into what is is today, and why married couple enjoy privledges that single and homosexual couple do not and (I think should not) enjoy. Such as homosexuals cannot bear children naturally so should not be able to define one partner as dependant because he/she has child-rearing duties that preclude him/her from being a wage earner. Not for my good, for the perpertauion of the species.
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You mean like if we make Christmas (a religious holy-day) a FEDERAL hoilday, that someday all religious holy-days will become federal holidays?

And let's see, store display Christmas themes, towns and cities decorate with ANGELS and WREATHS, and EVERGREEN boughs, all having religious significance.

Yep, we must never allow ourselves to be defined by religion
 Quoting: Real list


Where do you live? All those things are VERBOTEN in Philadelphia. Our "Christmas plays" in schools are now "Winter Festivals". Oh sure the teachers take the days off..but religious undertones let alone overtones??? Never. Unless of course your Muslim...then Prayer rooms for you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1410065


I did not say ALL towns, but my wife works at a federal agency, and Christmas is a holiday
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Real...I wasnt trying to be a dick, I honestly wanted to know where your AO was. My neighborhood as a child was the typical American tradition. Now that my youngest is coming up through high school I have seen the devestation of that tradition through political correctness. The manger scene on the Township lawn has long ago been shelved. Hell, I had to go head to head with a Principal and the school board when I found out the pledge of allegiance was "optional" and several teachers didnt have flags in the classroom.
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Sorry.

I live in SW Ohio, but that is besides the point. Many small towns still have decorations that can be construed as religious...even a candle has religious conotations.

And you are right, liberals that profess to be about rights are infringing on our right to observe holidays and traditions the way we wish.

I hope you can find a place where this is not happening.

Anyway my remark was to counter OP's claim that religion has no place in society...it does and that should continue.
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I'm straight and support gay marriage...why? Because it doesn't affect my life one crap and if it makes someone else happy, good. The only people who seem to hate the idea so much are the religious whackos..and religion is crap, so I see no reason to be against it. yoda
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I've got a solution that would make this entire debate disappear. Take marriage completely out of the governments hands and allow it to be a religious ceremony and only a religious ceremony. Or keep it in the governements hands and allow anyone to marry anyone. Bottom line being a separation of church and state. I'd personally like to see it as a religious ceremony rather than the economic transaction it currently is.
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I think that marriage should cost something real.

Instead of exchanging finger rings that usually readily slip on and off, I think that your first marriage should include having the couple's left hands bound together and having the pinky finger removed with a sharp blade. No anesthesia, let the blood flow for a minute or so before stopping the flow, applying antibiotics and suturing each stump.

This way people will seriously, really, think before they leap to marriage. I bet this will prevent about 40% of marriages from ever happening.

It is also a sure fire way to KNOW that someone is married. No more 'oh I didn't know, they were not wearing a ring' - A missing finger is a sure sign that is not easily covered up.

It also shows real commitment. If you love somebody so much that you are willing to have a finger cut off and experience that pain together, then you deserve to be married.

I have been married going on 40 years, there is no amount of pain I wouldn't be willing to go through for this marriage.
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I've got a solution that would make this entire debate disappear. Take marriage completely out of the governments hands and allow it to be a religious ceremony and only a religious ceremony. Or keep it in the governements hands and allow anyone to marry anyone. Bottom line being a separation of church and state. I'd personally like to see it as a religious ceremony rather than the economic transaction it currently is.
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That works for me

My version would be that religious ceremonies are called marriage and state contracts are called something else. Any persons entering into an agreement to be a couple MUST agree to the state contract and marriage ceremony is optional. But only one has the name...marriage

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I've got a solution that would make this entire debate disappear. Take marriage completely out of the governments hands and allow it to be a religious ceremony and only a religious ceremony. Or keep it in the governements hands and allow anyone to marry anyone. Bottom line being a separation of church and state. I'd personally like to see it as a religious ceremony rather than the economic transaction it currently is.
 Quoting: Whiskey Boy


That works for me

My version would be that relidious ceremonies are called marriage and state contracts are called something else. Anypersons entering into an agreement to be a couple MUST agree to the state contract and marriage ceremony is optional. But only one has the name...marriage
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Now that's a rational solution to a problem. Where do I sign?
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I fully agree that marriage should be a "holy union" and treated as such. As many so-called "Christians" as non-believers make up the percentage of divorces in this country and that is shameful.

However, to the degree that gays should be allowed to marry...read your history. The fall of EVERY great nation from Babylon to Rome has shortly been preceded by the resounding acceptance of homosexuality in their society and the sacrifice of children (abortion, as it is called today). America is already treading dangerously on thin ice, that would be the nail in the coffin, if you ask me.

We need to return marriage to the sanctity intended for it and not completely throw what's left of it under the bus by sanctioning the unnatural act of homosexuality as a qualifier.

hf
 Quoting: ^Watcher^


So gays are as bad as sacrificing children... OMG what god do you serve? C _ R _ A _ Z _ omg.
 Quoting: Lecaro


One sin is no worse than the other, even down to what we might consider small sins like gossip. All need the forgiveness provided through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

That being said, re-read what I posted above...the fall of every great nation has taken place just after these two sins are widely accepted in their society. Not equating one with the other but merely stating a fact. When a nation ignores that fact, they do so to their own peril.
 Quoting: ^Watcher^


I agree with you, Watcher. It is not about bashing or hating gays. It is just a fact that increased homosexual behavior is a sign that the society is in peril.
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I should not have to go to a lawyer and pay $1200 to be able to do what you get for free. AKA Hospital decisions, wills, ect.
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Marriage is part of the system........ Why do you need to get married to prove you love someone for life if it last that long.
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I should not have to go to a lawyer and pay $1200 to be able to do what you get for free. AKA Hospital decisions, wills, ect.
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Number 1, you can't get married for $1200. Not unless you 'elope', there would be no point then without the 'show', right?

Number 2, I paid for my will. Yes, there is an intestate will that divides 1/2 of averything among my kids and 1/2 to the surviving spouse, that is not acceptable. So a will cost me $200 25 years ago, more that $1200 in today's dollars.
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I think that marriage should cost something real.

Instead of exchanging finger rings that usually readily slip on and off, I think that your first marriage should include having the couple's left hands bound together and having the pinky finger removed with a sharp blade. No anesthesia, let the blood flow for a minute or so before stopping the flow, applying antibiotics and suturing each stump.

This way people will seriously, really, think before they leap to marriage. I bet this will prevent about 40% of marriages from ever happening.

It is also a sure fire way to KNOW that someone is married. No more 'oh I didn't know, they were not wearing a ring' - A missing finger is a sure sign that is not easily covered up.

It also shows real commitment. If you love somebody so much that you are willing to have a finger cut off and experience that pain together, then you deserve to be married.

I have been married going on 40 years, there is no amount of pain I wouldn't be willing to go through for this marriage.
 Quoting: Dr. House


I think some remote tribes have a ritual like you describe, where the man especially must 'prove' his commitment by a form of torture or fight of honor.

That also might be part of the idea behind a dowry, we know we have more respect and appreciation for things that come with a cost.

OP wants the right to marry, he says for economic reasons. But many older folks on social security co-habitate without marriage for economic reasons.

A curse upon my evil family...I know the drill lol

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ok I wade into this issue.

First let's get some premises out of the way.

1) I am gay
2) I am Chrisitan
3) I am fiscally conservative
4) I am a constitutionalist.
5) I am a reformist.

Ok that said.

I Think that the 2 aspects of Marriage need to be properly separated into religious and social aspects.

Marriage should remain a religious institution and abide by the historic meaning of marriage (1 man / 1 woman)

Civil Unions should be the social institution and should be for any 1 person to enter into with another person (not people)

Gov't should stay out of Marriage, likewise religious institutions should stay out of Civil Unions.
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The institution of marriage is for one man and one woman.
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Correct. Sex while intended to produce a child, is a sin if not married. If two of the same sex are married, they cannot have sex, and therefore not produce offspring. Not to mention, in some states it's illegal to have unmarried sex.
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ok I wade into this issue.

First let's get some premises out of the way.

1) I am gay
2) I am Chrisitan
3) I am fiscally conservative
4) I am a constitutionalist.
5) I am a reformist.

Ok that said.

I Think that the 2 aspects of Marriage need to be properly separated into religious and social aspects.

Marriage should remain a religious institution and abide by the historic meaning of marriage (1 man / 1 woman)

Civil Unions should be the social institution and should be for any 1 person to enter into with another person (not people)

Gov't should stay out of Marriage, likewise religious institutions should stay out of Civil Unions.
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A rational, thoughful post

Refreshing...thanks.

The civil union aspect should be well defined as to

eligible participants (you say 2 adults, fine)

Participants status in regard to blood family
(do they take precidence over parents and sibs as in conventionial marriage?)

Maybe designate one as 'head of household'

Other details, but all manageable.

Do you think Sol-Magmatard, that a rational approach will satisfy all in the homosexual commumity? I personally belive that for many this is a matter of forcing acceptance for the lifestyle on the larger society. You know morality and attitudes cannot be legislated or mandated.
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Let them get married with the same legal rights as hetero couples.


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Homosexuals can marry as long as they marry a person of the opposite sex.
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They do everyday. Check out the music department of your church and the choir!
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very true. thus all those murdered people in Obama's church. Including the choir director.

The issue is the sex not the love. God has no problem with anyone partnering in friendship and love. Have you ones noticed how much rauchy sex is taught even in some churches, and practiced by heterosexuals too. When I entered that phase of my life I was pushed to bash gays and support gays, depending on the writer who wrote me. we did a piece already, we bashed the sex. This is the LAW of God on the topic. don't let the title fool you, its got gay and nasty sex in it. Thread: Selections from the Phoenix Journals. (Page 815) YOU MUST OBEY THE WISDOM OF GOD FOR THE RESPONSIBLE AND BALANCED PROCREATION OF YOUR SPECIES.



We have written about the Commitment of Marriage by A MAN and A WOMAN To God as being one of the necessary components to also becoming a PARENT for God which means pro creating your species. (SEE Law # 8 "You Must Not Commit Adultery)."

Now the DIVINE and SACRED "act" which was created by GOD for the pro-creation of the species you ones call "sexual union". God created THIS DIVINE UNION to be performed between ONE man and ONE woman specifically for maintaining the balanced level of the species for each given planetary sys­tem. Now the "fallen" ones or adversaries of GODNESS have completely perverted and maligned this once "sacred" and "divine" act that at one time was DONE with complete LOVE and DEVOTION to THE FATHER within each partner, so that it (sex) is now called "a birthright" to be done often, with impunity and with MANY partners of either sex and without consideration of LOVE or responsible pro-creation. How we and THE FATHER weep for you! This ONE abuse of God's creation has nearly destroyed your species! Let us quote once again from, "AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME IMMANUEL. I AM SANANDA" - Pg. 55:

"The act of marriage and procreation must have the highest degree of pure intent and preparation, for upon these bonds and restrictions will rest the preservation of mankind as a species upon the planet. If everything is done and adhered to, justice and peace will come to all mankind, and life in the human form can be preserved.

"If man continues his selfish and imprudent behavior, he will sound his own death tariff. There reaches a point beyond which a planet cannot support the unbalanced system perpetrated by mankind. And yet, so shall it come to pass (Read this carefully!) that man will not listen and bring destruction upon his own species. It will come about in some two millennium that man will have reached the point of self destruction. (This is 1991 friends, have you fulfilled this prophecy of Jesus the Christ Immanuel and OTHER prophets before him?!?) And so is it projected by the prophets and shall it come to pass in its time of fulfillment and in my time of fulfillment." End of quote.

Let's begin with God's directive about marriage and Pro-cre ation between A MAN and A WOMAN. It is very clear that this DOES NOT say, marriage and "the sexual act" is OK between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, or TWO men and ONE woman or THREE woman and ONE man, or etc. Again, the laws of balance are LOGICAL, meaning they were created specifically to maintain BALANCE within The Creation.

Because of the various degrees of deliberate, systematic and malevolently lewd and lascivious sexual behaviors, which are the corruption of this DIVINE UNION, and which have been and are practiced by most on your plane, the WARNING given above by our beloved Jesus Immanuel is transpiring before your very eyes in this time frame!

The sexual "act" was specifically designed to be performed by ONE man and ONE woman who had committed THEIR DIVINE LOVE AS ONE in the union of marriage, ordained by GOD. Through this union OF LOVE, the act of sexual intercourse between a husband and his wife for pro-creation was a most sacred and honored responsibility, an extension of their LOVE and COMMITMENT TO GOD in his service as PARENTS of HIS Children.

Now remember the law of "Cause and Effect". The EFFECTS of breaking this one directive of GOD are all about you today. Over-Population and the spread of fatal venereal and blood-borne diseases, such as Syphilis and AIDS, are proving to be YOUR self-punishment to the point of creating the nearly complete destruction of your human species on Earth.

So let there be NO misunderstanding. The following BEHAVIORS are specifically and undeniably AGAINST OR CONTRARY TO THE LAWS OF GOD AND THE CREATION:

1. Any Homosexual sexual activity between two or more men is strictly forbidden. (Candace: I am going to EXPLAIN THE WHYS at the end of this post).

2. Any Homosexual sexual activity between two or more women is strictly forbidden.

3. Any Bi-Sexual sexual activity between two or more men and women is strictly forbidden.

KEEP IN MIND WE ARE SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO "SEXUAL" ACTIVITIES, NOT LOVE, INTIMACY (Sharing soul-deep closeness and specialness of the friendship), COHABITATION (Sharing living quarters/home together), AND FRIENDSHIP between members of the same sex. Meaning that it is the LEWD, LUSTFUL and IRRESPONSIBLE "SEXUAL ACT" THAT IS SPECIFICALLY AND STRICTLY AGAINST GOD and LIFE!

4. Any Anal (Sodomy) sexual intercourse performed between any persons, male or female, is strictly forbidden.

5. Any sexual activities performed with ANIMALS (Bestiality) by any human is strictly forbidden.

6. Any sexual activity performed by ones closely related within the same family line (Incest). For example: brother and sister, father and daughter, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew, cousin and cousin, mother and son, grandfather and granddaughter is strictly forbidden.

7. Any sexual activity performed by any (male or female) adult upon or with any child is strictly forbidden.

8. Prostitution--the act of offering oneself, man or woman, to another for sexual relations in exchange FOR PAYMENT of same--is strictly forbidden.

9. Any Sadistic or Masochistic sexual practices performed by anyone or ones upon self or others is strictly forbidden. Sadistic: "1. A tendency to take delight in being cruel. "Masochistic: "1. A condition in which sexual gratification depends largely on undergoing physical pain or humiliation. 2. A tendency to derive pleasure from one's own suffering."

10. Any voyeuristic (one who is sexually gratified by looking at sexual objects or acts) activity or any participation in pornographic (sexually explicit and obscene) materials, ie., movies, magazines, books, "artwork" and objects is strictly forbidden.


Please understand that it is this PREOCCUPATION with behavior of lustful and lascivious physical pleasure that YOU must each CHOOSE to avoid and rise above spiritually. The corruption and preoccupation with sexual thoughts, words and actions has become hypnotizingly OBSESSIVE and also terribly degrading to THE SPIRIT OF LIFE OF THE ONE! THIS IS NOT LOVE BY ANY DEFINITION. Can you not see this TRUTH before you and within you? Your sexual obsession MUST STOP if you are to reach beyond your mortal body and into THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

Many of you, by now, are probably wondering about the act of masturbation: "Stimulation of sexual organs by oneself." First RE-read the above paragraph. Masturbation is a self-pleasure sexual act upon SELF AND it is also what most of you couples are doing when you have "sex" together and call it "making love". The only difference is that it is the "sharing" of MUTUAL Masturbation with your partner. Mutual Masturbation IS NOT DIVINE SEXUAL UNION FOR CELEBRATING PROCREATION. When one is an "adult" and does not wish to have children, the seeking of sexual pleasure by self or with another is a transgression upon self simply BECAUSE YOU ARE DENYING AND LIMITING YOUR SPIRITUAL CREATIVE POTENTIAL WITHIN.

The sexual desire, in this time on your place of extreme sexual preoccupation, begins for many youngsters at puberty. Many will have sexual release or dreams while they sleep. With the CAREFUL and LOVING guidance of the parents well before and during this time, the child will not be frightened of the changes in his/her body and will most likely occasionally in dulge in masturbation for either curious exploration or release of the physical body. Moderate or occasional masturbation done in privacy by any, either child or adult, is not harmful to or AGAINST life UNTIL it becomes an obsessive pre-occupation. Also masturbation can be a means of self-punishment and this is most harmful to THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN. Remember this parents, it can also become very harmful to a child if through his "training", he is taught to fear or despise his genitalia, or be made to feel guilt for self-sexual exploration or mas­turbation. He must learn about his personal responsibility and must understand ALL THE LAWS OF GOD including those governing pro-creation. But if you make the child feel fearful, shameful or guilty about his own personal sexual exploration, you may actually be creating for him OBSESSIVE PRE-OC­CUPATION with sexuality. If the child is not exposed to con stant "sexually stimulating" media, he will quickly lose interest after initial self-exploration IF HIS CREATIVE potential is encourage, nurtured and supported by HIS PARENTS and TEACHERS. The more spiritually aware children and adults will either not have much interest in, or gradually lose interest in sexual exploration of any kind. It is much healthier for the spirit if this process of becoming detached from sexual feelings is natural and BY choice because of true spiritual UNDERSTANDING and awareness.

What you ones have labeled "sexual energy" or "libido" is actually a corruption of the creative and nuturing potential of The Spirit of GOD within YOU. LET US REPEAT THIS: YOUR "SEXUAL ENERGY/LIBIDO" IS ACTUALLY A CORRUP TION OF THE CREATIVE AND NURTURING POTENTIAL OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN YOU! Let us see how your Funk & Wagnals Dictionary defines Libido: "1. Sexual desire or impulse. 2. The instinctual craving or drive behind all human activities." Did you read that clearly, friends? INSTINCTUAL CRAVING OR DRIVE BEHIND ALL HUMAN ACTIVITIES! The catch is, precious ones, SEX is not the INSTINCTUAL craving or drive that was created by GOD, THIS was your CREATIVE, nurturing drive TO KNOW and CELEBRATE GOD WITHIN YOU, TO CO-CREATE THE EVER-UNFOLDING EXPANSION AND ADVENTURE OF LIFE! The truly loving DIVINE UNION, that of male/female experiencing their creative potential through the sexual act for PROCREATION, was created to be a UNION OF DIVINE LOVING DEVOTION and CELEBRATION OF THE GIFTS OF ONENESS SHARED...AND OF NEW LIFE CREATED FROM GOD. Rarely do ones feel TRUE LOVE, caring friendship, affection and intimacy toward their mates on your plane. Most have simply forgotten what LOVE is. You think perhaps you and your mate are one of the "rare" exceptions? Here is a test for you. How long would your marriage and commitment last if today you completely STOPPED all sexual activity with one another? Think about this carefully. Do you truly give of yourself to your mate sexually and otherwise because you wish to please them? To please both of you?

To please yourself? You ones think your sexual orgasm is ecstasy? YOU EVEN LIMIT ECSTASY!

You see, you are not your desires, you are not your emotions. YOU are THE SPIRIT of LIFE of GOD, and your spirit IS the MASTER over your desires and emotions. Don't you see that you have simply chosen, in your illusion of ignorance and confusion, TO MAKE your emotions and desires the MASTER over your SPIRIT...YOUR GODNESS?!?

This corruption of your creative potential WAS CREATED, CONDITIONED AND MOLDED BY THE ANTI-CHRIST. YOU SIMPLY BOUGHT THE LIE AS TRUTH AND HAVE BECOME ADDICTED TO YOUR DESIRE FOR "SEX". You don't believe your "sexual" desire is created? Look around you today. Your Advertising Media as well as your Magazines, Television and Movies ARE CREATING YOUR DESIRES FOR YOU by conditioning and molding you through false "IMAGES" of what is beauty, what is "sex appeal"--in other words, by directing your attention constantly to "how" you look physically, your athletic prowess, your sex appeal and attractiveness. Why does and has this "desire"-creating worked? Because the Anti-Christ first molds the "false images" and then plays upon your FEAR of being too unattractive, unworthy, unpopular and simply rejected BY OTHERS who YOU allow TO JUDGE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING! The ANTI-Christ keeps you BOUND by the "false" promises created by your desire TO BE WORTHY of LIFE so you are too busy trying to fit the "false" mold and therefore do not develop your creative spiritual potential within! How dare YOU feel UNWORTHY because of believing the nonsense of false "IMAGES"! PLEASE RE MEMBER THIS TRUTH! YOU ARE GOD'S TEMPLE!

Advertisers are always selling "their image" of what you ones call "romance" and you are encouraged to think it means passionate "sexual" fulfillment. Your dictionary describes romance as: "1. A love affair. 2. A kind of love between the sexes, characterized by high ideals of devotion, and strong ardor. 3. Adventurous, heroic, or exotic nature: romance of far away places." When you crave romance, whether you know it or not, it does not mean "sexual" affair, dear ones, it means LOVE AFFAIR, you are craving to experience within you GOD'S LOVE OF LIFE, you crave to feel "ALIVE", ie., warm and intense feelings, eagerness and zeal. WHY? Because you are bored and spiritually unfulfilled with the self-created "limits" of your life. (Limits which the "controlled" media has set you up for in the first place.) You are out of balance and you are seeking to ignite your CREATIVE POTENTIAL WITHIN. ROMANCE is the promise of ADVENTURE and JOY for experiencing THE SPIRIT OF LIFE, OF GOD, within you. You see, ROMANCE is not sexual adventure or a place to go; it is your desire to feel and KNOW GOD within you. You can experience romance through the sharing of devoted and adventurous LOVE of LIFE with your mate. Regardless of what your media "hype" tells you, remember this, your desire for romance is your desire for CHANGE from a limited and spiritually unfulfilling existence, to recognizing and EXPERIENCING your UNLIMITED Creative Spiritual Potential within.

The next time you have a "sexual" urge, look around you, what have you been watching, reading or participating in which created this desire? Men, when you see a physically "beautiful" woman, is your FIRST thought admiration and appreciation of this GIFT of loveliness and do you wonder about the loveliness and beauty of HER SPIRIT? OR, instead, do you first wonder about the pleasure you would receive if you could have "sexual union" with her? And the same holds true for you women who call yourselves "liberated" which usually first means, "sexually" liberated and same equal "rights" as men to have many "casual" sexual encounters.

Recognize that this "sexual urge" is really your UNFULFILLED creative potential screaming to be released from the self-imposed "limit" or boundary of THE physical sexual ACT. Act: "1. To play the part of; impersonate. 2. To serve temporarily or as a substitute. To PRETEND." The sexual act is limiting, substituting and impersonating YOUR CREATIVE AND SPIRITUAL UNFOLDMENT TO KNOW GOD. When you truly understand and recognize this truth, your creative spiritual unfoldment can no longer BE FRUSTRATED AND LIMITED to the repetition of a silly and truly spiritually unfulfilling "sexual act".

Does this mean you are expected, by self and GOD, to STOP all sexual activity NOW? ONLY if it is YOUR choice made with the JOY of TRULY understanding and thus having the freedom of detachment from this "ADDICTION" and no desire to pro create. For most of you, especially adults, "sexual behavior" has now become addictive, so you must treat it as such. Remove as much of the "temptation" from your presence as possible, just as the alcoholic must remove himself from "bars" and must remove the alcohol from his home. Be gentle with self, carefully abide by the list of TEN items above which are "STRICTLY FORBIDDEN" sexual behaviors (including Adultery). If you are single or married and have addiction to the "sexual act", use occasional masturbation as the lessor of the evils "if you must". If you are happily married and both have "enjoyed" your addiction to the monogamous mutual masturbation of your sexual act, both partners will need to become detached for the addiction to be gone.

So be gentle with self and your mate, but be aware and responsible to "consequences" (such as pregnancy) and persistent in your goal (to self) to release and detach from ALL things of Physical Manifestation. Simply RECOGNIZE without punishing self with guilt and shame that this is a transgression against the Creative spirit of life within you. For a time accept that you will have desire because you are "addicted" and many of you understand it as an "extension" of your love. Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!


(Candace: and then see what happens when you find other wondrous ways of sharing that grow your spirit within! You might discover you are even great and best friends! and more.)

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Now, to my little promised lecture on Homosexual Sex and other sexual activities. They are against the lows of god because they harm soul and YOUR BODY TEMPLE. Anal sex, between man and woman, is the current leading cause of infertility in women, who are killing their husband's sperm! This is because Sperm IS foreign tissue. The Vagina accepts it, the rectum does NOT. It makes antibodies against sperm.

And ditto in male to male "anal sex." Your partners sperm is false to your body also. that you are male makes no difference. Thus some many who engage in this behavior suffer immune system issues in their bodies and this suppresses the immune system or makes it hyperactive. Lets you catch sexual diseases much easier.

Also, the vagina is TOUGH tissue, the rectum is NOT. It is easily torn by these acts and also by the insertion of various toys. This part applies also to women who engage in rectal sex. With this damaged, torn and swollen tissue comes infections and entry of such into your blood streams.

How about "oral sex" a big no no also, and of this I suffered. I do not like oral sex by I provided it as a service to a man I should have never invited into my bed anyway. I developed a serious small bowel yeast infection from that, and I will never know if it was my yeast, or somebody he cheated with on me. But I suffered two full years of diarrhea from it and developed a terrible case of leaky gut syndrome. Believe me, you ones do not want this and if you have it, you might ponder if this is one possible cause of such. And I dishonored my own god within, because I didn't LIKE it, and should not have done something I so disliked to please this person. This is what is behind Law number ONE to have no have NO OTHER GODS before you.

You can read 20 of God's laws here. from which the above is taken. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com]
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Re: *****LET GAYS MARRY or CHANGE Marriage***********
One option not covered is (slightly in jest)

Let homosexuals marry

AND

Make divorce illegal

We all should SUFFER equally..lol





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